7 Electro-Harmonix Pedals EVERYBODY Should Check Out!

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  • Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2024

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  • @jeffgardiner5356
    @jeffgardiner5356 Год назад +2

    Big Muff and Hot Tubes are my go to pedals, even back in the late 70's- early 80's.

  • @Josbornevonosborne
    @Josbornevonosborne 5 лет назад +9

    I like their East River Drive. I'm an SRV type player, and it is a great ts808 clone for cheap designed in collaboration with analog man

  • @honkytonkinson9787
    @honkytonkinson9787 2 года назад +3

    I like EH as a company and a little ashamed I don’t have more of their stuff. They seem to keep focused on what they do, not running their corporate mouths about stuff unrelated to guitar, and they constantly innovate, creating new wacky pedals, or variations of classics, constantly. They don’t seem to be afraid to take risks and think outside the box. Their stuff is made well and a lot is made so that it’s easy to repair or tinker with. They’re like Toyota and Honda from the 90s!
    If more companies were like EH I think the world would smell, taste, sound, and look way more interesting!

  • @thecreativenerd3319
    @thecreativenerd3319 5 лет назад +3

    As an overdrive guy, one pedal I’d recommend checking out is the Hot Tubes overdrive pedal.
    It’s got a feature which allows you to make your sound warm and smooth. Or instead of using it, it’s time toggle allows you to make your sound brighter than normal.
    This can be helpful for people who play a lot of Gibson’s like myself, or who want to make their Gretsch guitars warmer in terms of tonality.

    • @Bedroomrips
      @Bedroomrips 3 года назад

      How do you get the tone to sound good? I’ve seen videos where it has that slightly distorted/over driven sound and it’s good but when I use it it’s either weird sounding or a straight distortion

  • @NerdGasims
    @NerdGasims 5 лет назад +6

    Another honorable mention is the LPB-1. EHX has been making that one as long as the Big Muff and it works well with older single channel amps like JCM 800 or Plexis to boost the preamp and give the amp some extra headroom and volume boost

    • @Lee-Buskar
      @Lee-Buskar 5 лет назад +1

      I'm so glad someone remembered the LPB-1. Although the first ones weren't a pedal, you could plug one into your amp and piggyback a few more into that. I thought it had a good tone. Nice little boost box. Had three of them, but lost them along the way through life.

    • @augustusgregory1748
      @augustusgregory1748 3 года назад +1

      Instablaster.

  • @christopherstorrier5560
    @christopherstorrier5560 Год назад +1

    The Bass Preacher...soz but i'm a bass player ,i really like the Bass Preacher Compressor/Sustainer with 3 position knee speeds,slow,medium & fast..just 2 pots, level & a compression/sustainer level pot & a 3-way toggle, great for a pedal board or straight into a bass amp...a very transparent compressor...& it lasts as had mine many years now & still works perfect with a yearly clean with Isopropyl alcohol & a squirt of D5 in the pots & 3 postion knee speed toggle switch...

  • @jimwoodard64
    @jimwoodard64 5 лет назад +7

    I just got the Op Amp Big Muff. I love it, and you know I'm not a fuzz guy either. Gives me some great Gilmour tones even though I'm using humbuckers.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад +4

      I have to admit, that one has had me curious.

    • @DarthEcoli
      @DarthEcoli 4 года назад +4

      @@RobertWJackson Op amp is great. Definitely the Billy Corgan Siamese dream pedal. As you're not a big 'fuzz guy', you can pair one with a soul food to tighten it up and make it less flubby as such. I use mine for Sabbath tones a lot too.

    • @joeyjo-joshabadu9636
      @joeyjo-joshabadu9636 3 года назад +1

      A little late to the party, but I finally got one of these bad boys a little over a month ago and absolutely love it!
      And while it is unquestionably a muff, and behaves like a fuzz, the actual tone of the thing sounds more like a gritty distortion to my ears. Or rather, a fuzz/distortion hybrid.
      Extremely versatile pedal, just remember to back the tone off, as this has a lot more treble than your standard muff!

    • @KINGDEAD2
      @KINGDEAD2 3 года назад +2

      Turn the tone down to 10 o clock and it’s a very warm sound especially with a lot of sustain

  • @parkkingery9216
    @parkkingery9216 5 лет назад +1

    I'm haven't been a fuzz guy, but since I started building pedals and after several requests I built a fuzz and after some amp adjustments I'm hooked and having fun using them.

  • @jamestombs6892
    @jamestombs6892 5 лет назад +2

    Don't know enough about the pedals yet but it's nice to have a great list to check out. I have been going back and listening to the older videos too. Thanks Robert!

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад

      Thanks James! Glad you’re enjoying my channel so much!

  • @patrickcallies6451
    @patrickcallies6451 5 лет назад +2

    Hey Robert!
    I own a Big Muff, Voice Box and Lester G. I have to agree with you 100%! EHX makes great pedals for the price. I love them all and recommend them to all musicians. Great review 😜

  • @michaelryan5450
    @michaelryan5450 3 года назад +1

    Robert I had a friend give me a original big muff from the 70's, I still have it and it still works believe or not

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  3 года назад

      Wow. I’m not a fuzz guy at all, but those original Big Muffs are worth a lot of money now.

  • @Jaysteenn
    @Jaysteenn 5 лет назад +3

    If you watch the JHS fuzz and tremolo video they did recently it will inspire you to use fuzz. He had awsome sounds

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад +1

      I’ll watch it, but I’m not making any promises. LOL

  • @mikeadams4605
    @mikeadams4605 5 лет назад +7

    Good list. The Neo Clone is also a pretty good stand alone Chorus pedal and it's pretty inexpensive

  • @thecrappyguitarist9597
    @thecrappyguitarist9597 2 года назад +1

    I hated fuzz till I got a big muff op amp on trade. Love the op amp for solos.Just an amazing pedal especially in drop d.

  • @wmdbassplayer
    @wmdbassplayer 3 года назад +1

    Love my Mistress and Mel9 on bass. Just got a Ravish Sitar and it is mind blowing! Still trying to figure it out, but fun so far learning.

  • @jjdekay6969
    @jjdekay6969 5 лет назад +2

    Nicely done video Robert!....My favorite EHX pedal is the Cathedral reverb. I even use it on my synths......great flexibility.

  • @URTH-yb5xh
    @URTH-yb5xh 8 месяцев назад +1

    You might like the Tattoo pedal I was not a fan of the Metal Muff w/Top Boost but believe it or not the Pocket Metal Muff the 2 knob version Is great Good picks on the 7 Love the 9 series too😎🎸

  • @spookshilljoe7376
    @spookshilljoe7376 3 года назад +1

    I use a graphic fuzz into an 808 tube screamer. With the eq on the graphic fuzz you can really get some great sounds. The graphic fuzz really don't have much of a fuzz sound but just enough for me.

  • @paulnealis9991
    @paulnealis9991 5 лет назад +1

    Great video. I am a mild EHX fan boy with 3 of their pedals. The EHX silencer is a very solid noise gate for cheap but not exactly a sexy pic. I definitely love my Memory Man with Hazuri. I picked one up used for $100. Best pedal purchase ever. Very usable delays to start and then you can trip out on and explore endless sounds/effects all night without waking up thinking you’re a glass of orange juice. 🍊 The pedal has tap tempo and a built in looper. You just don’t get buyers remorse with their pedals because they are always worth the money.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад

      Agreed! (Except for the Metal Muff. 🤣🤣🤣)

  • @lawrencealvarado3556
    @lawrencealvarado3556 5 лет назад +2

    Thanks Brother !!! Great video , I recently picked up the GRAND CANYON + OCEANS 11 also , been looking at the 9 series for a while.I am one of those nutty delay and distortion freaks you mentioned but , also want to get most of the pedals you showed.Really like this one , thanks Robert !!!.Peace

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад

      Thanks Lawrence, glad you enjoyed it!

    • @sski
      @sski 5 лет назад +1

      How's that Grand Canyon? That's next on my list.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад

      It’s awesome. I didn’t include it because it’s still so new, but it’s a great pedal. Basically EHX’s version of a Boss DD-7.

    • @lawrencealvarado3556
      @lawrencealvarado3556 5 лет назад +1

      Hey H , Grand canyon and the Oceans 11 are really fun !!! , Only tried them once so far but awesome units.Think I'll get the sitar pedal next.Check out bill ruppert , I think he demos all the EHX pedals and get some ideas from his vids.Thanks , Peace

    • @lawrencealvarado3556
      @lawrencealvarado3556 5 лет назад +1

      @@RobertWJackson , Yes , really has alot to offer.EHX owner looks like he's been at it and just keeps crankin them out , great for us !!!.Thanks guys !.LA

  • @Teachering
    @Teachering 3 года назад +1

    A good selection, Robert's Guitar Dungeon. With all the pedals that EHX has created it is difficult to try and identify their best. Good job!

  • @hailmaryrecordings8255
    @hailmaryrecordings8255 3 года назад +2

    I have an EHX Silencer. Best sounding pedal I have.

  • @KristianHeartmusic
    @KristianHeartmusic 5 лет назад +2

    Ya I was never a huge fuzz guy ether but as I get older I realize there is great different tones everywhere and ya I can def say I’m a fuzz guy now 🤘

  • @GuitarJeff
    @GuitarJeff 5 лет назад +2

    Well this is very timely. New year's Eve I ordered the Mel 9 pedal. Should be here next week. However in your event video on octave pedals you might remember I have the boss OC3. I am so disappointed with that pedal. I have been eyeing the POG 2 and plan on getting that. The cool thing with that is it also go up or down octave simulating a 12 string. My band has been doing some The Cars tunes lately. I am able to do some keytar solos and stuff but they don't sound right. Hoping this gets me closer.
    Also was getting worried when you hit number 2 I was really no big muff pedal. Glad to see you put it in a rightful place.

    • @sski
      @sski 5 лет назад +2

      I own a Mel9 and that pedal is amazing. Check out EHX's Epitome pedal. It has a Micro POG as well as a Holy Grail Plus and Stereo Electric Mistress onboard. Hooking the Mel9 and Epitome together is God-like!

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад +2

      I tried to make this list as objective as I possibly could, which is why the Big Muff was #1. You all KNOW how I feel about that pedal. But the truth is a lot of people would have lost their minds if I’d left it off altogether. LOL And the truth is, that’s EHX’s flagship and it deserves the spot it’s in.

    • @alanscharrer5255
      @alanscharrer5255 5 лет назад +3

      Everyone should hit a number 2 at least daily

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад +2

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @thejamnasium6447
    @thejamnasium6447 3 года назад

    not a big EH fan, but I have their Glove OD pedal that I use as a clean boost with a little grit and it's really, REALLY good.

  • @neopythagorean
    @neopythagorean 2 года назад +1

    Eddy chorus-full-featured chorus and vibrato (all analog) at a working man’s price. You just can’t beat the Eddy.
    Stereo Electric Mistress-blending flanger and chorus is a great idea with great results. The sounds that you can make with this pedal go from psychedelic UFO crashes to crystalline radiance at Superman’s Fortress of Solitude.
    Op Amp Big Muff-you want the wall of sound? Buy this. Run the tone knob on the pedal at around 10 o’clock and roll back the tone knob on your guitar to taste. You’ll know you got it right when your amp growls like the friendliest rabid dog you’ve ever heard. Really makes ya think about adopting a pet.
    B9 and C9-can’t find a competent keys player for your new Pink Floyd cover band? No worries! These two pedals will take you where you need to go. Mesmerize and confuse your audience today!

  • @UnitNo.2
    @UnitNo.2 4 года назад +2

    I really like the EHX Canyon Delay and Looper. It was my first pedal but im glad i got it.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  4 года назад +1

      The Canyon Delay is a really cool pedal. I’d get one, but I already have a Boss DD-7 and a DD-200.

  • @paulpenrod5285
    @paulpenrod5285 5 лет назад +2

    Good list. One pedal you missed is the EHX PitchFork.

  • @alanscharrer5255
    @alanscharrer5255 5 лет назад +2

    Although I like electro-harmonix pedals very much especially with the wide level of selection, I'm always concerned because they provide their own power source and it seems to be more than what your standard power block of 9 volt sources can provide. They strongly recommend using only their 9.6V adapters. Please clarify if this is safe, if it will damage the pedal using something like the voodoo power 2 to power their pedals appropriately and safely. Thanks Robert!

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад +1

      They actually seem to have gotten away from that. I know the 360 and 720 Looper pedals both come with a 9.6V power supply, but I’ve talked to many people who’ve all verified that they work just fine on a standard 9V.

    • @CorbCorbin
      @CorbCorbin 3 года назад +1

      This is two years late, but pedals are fine working with less than 9.6v or 9v, it’s even a technique used by some on Fuzz pedals to get a spluttery or gated sound.
      What I’ve always been told is to make sure the MA(milliamps) are the same or higher in the power source one use, but with volts it’s a bit different.
      A 9v battery has more than 9v, close to
      10, yet it can be used in 9v pedals.
      Similarly, the pedal that states it needs 9.6 will be fine with a 9v, as it’s fine to be in slower voltage. As one goes lower in voltage each pedal will react differently. Some love the effect, while I’m sure some digital pedals just don’t function correctly once the voltage is too low. Just don’t go trying to use 12v in a9v or 9.6v pedal, unless the builder has stated it was ok.
      My long winded way of saying it’s fine to use the EHX 9.6v pedal with a 9v from a Voodoo Power 2.

  • @mikecarreca7864
    @mikecarreca7864 5 лет назад +1

    Synth 9 and Stereo electric mistress. Great reviews Robert. I have the organ machine and it is incredible. Thank you for your hard work. If I can ever get my home studio finished, I will send you a recording.
    Keep on pickin, Sniper

  • @jimwoodard64
    @jimwoodard64 5 лет назад +4

    Once you get done with "I Ran (so far away)" and "Space Age Love Song", what are you going to do for the rest of your set in a Flock of Seagulls cover? LOL. Love the lists, Robert, keep 'em coming.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад +1

      Play a bunch of hits by The Cure. LOL Maybe throw in some Duran Duran, Erasure, INXS, and Depeche Mode. That still counts, right???

    • @sski
      @sski 5 лет назад

      @@RobertWJackson Don't forget The Cars!

  • @juanvaldez5422
    @juanvaldez5422 2 года назад +1

    EHX and digitech are my favorites

  • @pcbullets8726
    @pcbullets8726 5 лет назад +1

    I have tried most of these pedals, EHX makes some great stuff for sure. The Behringer Time Machine is a good cheap option if you don't want to drop big money for the Memory Man. Great video as always and Happy New Year Robert!

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад

      Happy New Year bro! Thanks for all of your support. 😉

  • @MikeFoerster
    @MikeFoerster 5 лет назад +10

    You'd look awesome with Flock of Seagulls hair!

  • @barclay3160
    @barclay3160 5 лет назад +1

    Always enjoy your intelligent and informative videos. Never tried EHX pedals. Will now.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад

      Awesome man, thank you so much for the kind words! Hope you find a couple of EHX pedals that you enjoy.

  • @dw1784
    @dw1784 5 лет назад +2

    What is your take on their loop pedals and vocoders? I apologize because I'm 2 hours from my house and can't remember the exact models of each that I own but I do have one of their loopers and a vocoder.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад

      If you’re referring to the 360 Looper and the Iron Lung, I’ve heard great things about all of their looper pedals, though I’ve never tried any of them myself yet. As for the Iron Lung, that is a pedal that I’ve had my eye on for a long time because I love talk boxes, even though they’re not the most useful effect in the world. LOL

    • @dw1784
      @dw1784 5 лет назад +1

      @@RobertWJackson haha I was completely losing my mind today when I messaged you because I couldn't think of the name of either pedal. You are correct, it's the 360 and the Iron Lung that I own. The Iron Lung is fun but it takes some getting used to for me. The 360 I got to work on solos to songs I wrote. Anyway you had another good video as always! Thanks for your input!

  • @esophagogastroduodenoscopy4918
    @esophagogastroduodenoscopy4918 2 года назад +1

    The shin ei uni-vibe univibe or sabbadius funky vibe and other like fuzztone cycles deluxe wah

  • @leonardszubinski4709
    @leonardszubinski4709 5 лет назад +1

    Robert, what is it about fuzz pedals that you just don't like? I'm just being curious.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад +1

      They all sound like I’m playing through a blown speaker. And they’re SUPPOSED to sound that way. It’s just not my thing. 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @jross68052
    @jross68052 3 года назад +1

    You left out the holy grail reverb and echo pedals. Both great pedals

  • @JukkaTarvonen
    @JukkaTarvonen 3 года назад

    7) Stereo Electric Mistress 1:43
    6) 9 series pedals = B9 & C9 Organ Machines + Key9 Electric Piano Machine + Mel9 Tape Replay Machine + Synth9 Synthesizer Machine 2:33
    5) Ravish Sitar 4:32
    4) POG2 Polyphonic Octave Generator + Micro POG + Nano POG + Hog2 5:55
    3) Soulfood (+ Soul POG + Flatiron Fuzz) 6:51
    2) Deluxe Memory Man (+ Stereo Memory Man with Hazarai + Deluxe Memory Man 1100-TT + Deluxe Memory Man 550-TT + Memory Boy + Deluxe Memory Boy + Memory Toy) 8:52
    1) Big Muff π (+ Little Big Muff π + Nano Big Muff π + Deluxe Big Muff π + Germanium Big Muff π, OpAmp Big Muff π + Triangle Big Muff π ) 10:07

  • @alanscharrer5255
    @alanscharrer5255 5 лет назад +1

    Happy New Year Robert! What is the association between Sovtek and EHX? I love my Micro Pog for bass!

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад

      Ya know, it never hit me before just now, but I’m not sure. Sounds like I need to research it and do a video on it!

    • @mjmorden
      @mjmorden 4 года назад

      Sovtek (Soviet Tech) was a Russian electronics company that Mike Matthews bought out in the early 90s/late 80s, in attempt to produce his own vacuum tubes, capacitors, etc. Later (just a few years later) EHX absorbed the company under its name. This business venture, of course, is what birthed perhaps the greatest EHX pedal of all time, the Green Russian Big Muff. This is why it is referred to as the "Russian", as it was literally hand made in the Russian factory.

  • @caseystrange1532
    @caseystrange1532 4 года назад +2

    The crayon overdrive is the shiznit too 🤘🏻

  • @andrewkaetz1967
    @andrewkaetz1967 5 лет назад

    Pedals come and go on my board... except the Holy Grail Reverb, that one seems to always make the cut.

  • @JackieMcGruffster
    @JackieMcGruffster 5 лет назад +4

    "Small Stone" phase shifter.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад +1

      Good pedal, but I actually prefer the Bad Stone a lot more. ;)

  • @georgeallison6228
    @georgeallison6228 5 лет назад +1

    I like a Big Muff too!

  • @Chapter5verse18
    @Chapter5verse18 2 года назад +1

    Electric hamonicx 2880 and 45000 and the 25500

  • @klausantitheistbolvig8372
    @klausantitheistbolvig8372 5 лет назад +1

    What about these line 6 or others processing multiple things. Just an suggestion

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад +2

      I don’t know that I’m the best authority on multi-effects processors. I’ve tried a ton of them and have even owned a few, but I’ve never cared for any of them. They’re all such a huge pain in the ass for me to get dialed in properly.

  • @TheBlackCrayon77
    @TheBlackCrayon77 3 года назад +1

    Still their best pedal is the holy trail trail grail reverb

  • @Chiefamongsinnerz
    @Chiefamongsinnerz 5 лет назад +1

    Echo Flanger/PolyChorus used by Kurt Cobain on In Utero!

  • @johnmarshall3903
    @johnmarshall3903 5 лет назад +1

    Robert, how about the bassballs and holy grail reverb?

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад

      The Bassballs is cool. I actually have a Russian Bassballs on my bass pedalboard. I’ve never been overly impressed with the Holy Grail. Definitely not a bad reverb pedal and it’s popularity speaks for itself, but to me it’s just not anything special.

  • @donsmith5385
    @donsmith5385 5 лет назад +1

    Dude! The PolyChorus pedal!

  • @howardcunniffe8738
    @howardcunniffe8738 5 лет назад +1

    I remember the last video you shared on the fuzz pedal.That was the pedal you and I both hate.

  • @Chapter5verse18
    @Chapter5verse18 2 года назад +1

    Kingtone blue power

  • @jumpnrun3368
    @jumpnrun3368 5 лет назад +2

    No Pickers Grip anymore? :(

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад

      What do you mean?

    • @jumpnrun3368
      @jumpnrun3368 5 лет назад +1

      oh. oops. my bad :( i didn´t look at the video discription @@RobertWJackson

  • @larrytaylor3684
    @larrytaylor3684 5 лет назад +1

    I love them too. But they break a lot

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад

      They seem to be a little more durable than they used to be. EHX has made a lot of improvements over the last several years in not only their design and QA, but also their business practices.

  • @LOGICNREALITY
    @LOGICNREALITY 5 лет назад +3

    he said muff hahaha

  • @LittleRapGuy
    @LittleRapGuy 3 года назад +1

    cool

  • @HereMikeWas
    @HereMikeWas 3 года назад +1

    EHX FUZZ #1

  • @HereMikeWas
    @HereMikeWas 3 года назад +1

    EHX FUZZ!

  • @larrytaylor3684
    @larrytaylor3684 5 лет назад

    At least for me they do. Not sure if it’s bad luck or they are just cheaply built. But it’s been a trend.

  • @allenmartin6536
    @allenmartin6536 5 лет назад +1

    I would recommend to anyone to disregard Electro Harmonics. They are great until they fail. several years ago I called about tech advice or repairs, I was switched to the tech support department which was answered by a recording that told me that the department was available on Thursday between 1&2 pm no one at this time please try again. After a week and a half I gave up. For the money they cost they need to back their product. I hope this has changed. WTF

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад

      I admit they were bad for a long time, but they’ve made A LOT of improvements to not only their product line, but their business operations, as well. You might consider giving them another chance!

    • @allenmartin6536
      @allenmartin6536 5 лет назад +1

      Robert's Guitar Dungeon If I were younger maybe. The style of music I like is 50s & 60s rock, rockabilly country. Now my hands don't work that well (arthritis) and it is almost impossible to hold a pick. The deep rumble from a Fender tube amp is my rhythm section and a harmonica on a rack is my lead (run it through a tube screamer once in awhile). works for me.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 лет назад

      Nothing wrong with any of that rig at all!

    • @allenmartin6536
      @allenmartin6536 5 лет назад +1

      Robert's Guitar Dungeon Thank you, that means a lot.

    • @allenmartin6536
      @allenmartin6536 5 лет назад +1

      I should say at 65 I sometimes act like a kid (or senile which ever you choose) and buy a peddle because it sounds cool or has a groovy color. I take it home and play something like Runaround Sue or Little Runaway or Twenty Flight Rock. Then I say , I don't need that, and give it to one of my young guitar player friends. GOOD FOR THEM!

  • @mariarosso3890
    @mariarosso3890 4 года назад +1

    Sorry 9 series. Great sounds yess.. Now¡ Ugly Tracking. Some digital pedals needs better conversors or parameters and buy synth9, taste key 9, mel 9 the same read slow, a bitty latency. FAVOURITES Overdrives, Fuzz, Boost, Delays not was problems¡ Just my experience¡

  • @Mr.Goldbar
    @Mr.Goldbar 5 лет назад +1

    Everyone needs to check out the Metal Muff to see how shitty it is