A few of those green MU cars made it into West Virginia around Labor Day 1985. They served as coaches on the West Virginia Rail Heritage Festival excursions out of Grafton. One trip made a round trip on the Parkersburg Branch which had been taken out of service a month or two before, and I think a run or two to Terra Alta was made. The cars still had the antique light globes inside. A few of us knew what we were riding in and pondered how many millions of newspapers had been read in those cars.
I waited awhile to produce and upload these videos, and the suspense was killing even me; such a moment in time, yeah? Thank you for watching; please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
lots of good coverage of the Last Days [in our videos, certainly, but also] on THE LACKAWANNA page on Facebook. This must have been a fun ride to be on! Thank you for watching; please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
The club car on the head end of the final train was one of three still in service when the MUs were retired. One had been nicely repainted, inside and out, with new carpeting and all the wicker arm chairs repainted and given new cushions. The head end car here is at the Whippany Rail Museum, beautifully restored. I don't know what happened to the other 2 including the refinished one.
I sat on this footage for a while trying to figure out the right time to drop it and low and behold the 40th anniversary came upon us here. Thank you for watching, please consider subscribing!
Thanks for sharing. Out here in Chester County PA, the now-defunct Brandywine Scenic Railway used 3 of these old de-electrified DL&W MU trailers as coaches in their tourist train. I think they later went to the Cooperstown and Charlotte Valley Ry. in New York State.
Looks like a pair of them right there: assets.simpleviewinc.com/simpleview/image/upload/q_75/v1/crm/newyorkstate/DJI_0296-Will0-93400814cfa456a_93400937-a65b-58e5-2058a061a7d6de28.jpg Thank you for watching, please consider subscribing if you haven't!
You can still ride the trailing cars on the Reading & Northern behind 2102. I've done it several times and always wonder if I might have ridden in the car years before on the Lackawanna Hoboken to Dover line. One recently was beautifully repainted and looks like new.
Definitely lots of folks have been noticing that! There is at least one of the power cars saved, and it is undergoing restoration as far as I understand. Thank you for checking out the video, please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
I was fortunate to get a ride from Hoboken to Gladstone in the club car at the head end of the final train years before when it was still in regular service. It was a great ride. They were private subscription cars but I was given permission to ride.
I posted to a Lackawanna Facebook page the question that maybe you can answer; as I understand it there were three of these cars, the one of course is beautifully preserved in Jersey, but if there were three cars, I'm curious what happened to the other two?
@@EDOTrains If memory serves me correctly the other two in service to the end were 3451 and 3453. I used to track them when still in service. One was assigned to a train out of Morristown and the other out of Dover. The one out of Dover had been completely repainted, new carpet installed and arm chairs refinished.Supposedly they were all ear marked for preservation to be included in a NJ rail museum, but don't know if anything ever happened with that. 3454 was in terrible shape when the Whippany Rail Museum got it, arm chairs stolen. So much for NJ Transit preserving them. The guys in Whippany did a fabulous job on 3454 but I have no idea what happened to the others and no one else seems to know, either. I'm glad I got to ride in all three of them in their final days.
Nice to see them again. I remember their finals years in service. I rode them as oftne as possible. Throughout my childhood and early adulthood I rode them under Lackawanna, Erie Lackawanna, Conrail and NJ Transit.
1:04 Yeah these trains traction motors sound like ones used on subways cars here in New York up until the late 1980's The London Underground still have tube train cars that use those type of traction motors today.
@@EDOTrains You can still hear that classic sound on 1972 tube stock on the Bakerloo Line, and 1973 tube stock on the Piccadilly Line in London. Can also still be heard on the 455 EMUs (dating from the early 80s, but originally bodied on motors from the 1940s) on SWT suburban lines from Waterloo to Guildford and Dorking via Stoneleigh and Epsom. Likely to be all departed in a couple of years hence.
If you want a really terrific snippet, check out our video '1977 midday at South Elizabeth' and our 'Southern Tier Gold' compilation, also from 1977-78. Can't get much more of a Whitman's sampler of content than that! Appreciate your feedback, please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
I used to ride those trains after school, going from Bernardsville to Far Hills. I well remember the rattan seats, the "lounge" car (which probably had a different name), and friendly veteran conductors.
@@EDOTrains I'm pretty ignorant about railroading, even though I'm a train watcher. I believe that these were the old green cars that still had Erie-Lackawanna painted on their sides. This would be 1978 and earlier on the Gladstone Branch.
These are fairly familiar to me, though I never rode on them. Instead, I'm a crew member at the Illinois Railway Museum, and we've got three DL&W Boonton commuter coaches that we use in regular service on our locomotive-hauled trains.
I would have to agree with everyone else. This was amazing to watch and very sad as well. But the ultimate salute and tribute was the very last run with 12 cars! Outstanding! I just found your channel and have subbed. 😊🇺🇸
I greatly appreciate that! Yeah preservation was very strong for the trailer cars/conventional coaches; I get the sense it was much less so for the power cars. One that did get saved was the 4628, which is the last car, rear power car, on the last Gladstone train there. It first went to Rochester New York and has since gone back to Jersey, and we will post video of it arriving in Rochester in 1985 and leaving in 2022, on the 40th anniversary of the former event this coming February.
Fare thee well, Erie Lackawanna Electric Multiple Unit (MU) cars (1930-84). You have served the Morristown Line, as well as the Montclair & Gladstone Branches, well!
Yeah my father actually shot these films. I was just a little one when he did, so I'm also very glad to be able to see color sound films from this era. Thank you for watching this video and your feedback,, please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
Thank you for posting these beauties. I clipped a few shots from your video as I am drawing them. Your video gave me excellent looks at the details I needed. Such wonderful cars they were! Thanks!
That's awesome, would love to see these when they're done! We have an Instagram channel as well and I wouldn't mind posting them if you want us to. @edotrains over there. Thank you for checking it out and please consider subscribing if you haven't already.
I can’t believe these cars lasted just as long as they did. It’s kinda like barts legacy fleet cars lol. Most of these types of cars were retired in the 60s and early 70s. Must have been quite the sight to see in the 1980s. Those bells are music to my ears 😊
I bet someone can fill in the blank on how many times there was a 'five year plan' to replace them and after year 4, they had to move the goalposts. If you think about it, it does make sense though; neither the DL&W or E-L would have had the bread to replace them, nor would they have wanted to given that the east end commuter services were a red ink albatross around their necks. An albatross that doubled-down on hurricanes and the death of anthracite to ultimately sink both railroads. Thank you for watching; please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
We can take heart in knowing many of the trailing cars made it to tourist railroads, are in fine condition today, and still running after more than 100 years. Most of the trailers were converted from DL&W open vestibule coaches in 1930.
Back in 1985, I took a ride on a Septa train that had it's usual Silverliner cars but what stood out about it is that one of the cars was a vintage car much like what's in this video. It was almost like riding a train in the Old West. Wooden interior, with wooden doors complete with doorknobs and old fashioned Victorian looking keyholes. It was pretty bizarre. AFAIK this wasn't being used as a show car, but as a regular commuter car, as if Septa didn't have enough of the Silverliners available that day so they took some of their old (I'm guessing 1920s vintage or close) rolling stock out of mothballs and used it in some of their trains for that afternoon commute.
This was the last line in North America to still use 3kV DC power the Milwaukee Road, Cleveland Union Terminal and Mexican Railways had either de-electrifying or Converted the Electrification by that point
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The current Arrow II/III cars replaced the MUs, but to this day, they’re limited to the Gladstone Branch line which runs from Hoboken Terminal to Gladstone, if I’m not mistaken.
It's funny because these things were like time machines even in 1984. But I agree with you it really is like that; how often can you see color sound films of cars from the '30s?! I appreciate your commentary and checking out the video, please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
We’ve had electric multiple units in the United States for over a century. Many of them, especially the older ones, look almost exactly like passenger cars except with traction equipment and pantographs. Even with non-electric equipment many gasoline-powered rail cars and DMUs had that appearance. Check out images of the Budd Rail Diesel Car (RDC). Apart from the roof, the ends, and the undercarriage, they look almost exactly like a contemporary Budd streamlined passenger car, but were meant to be self-propelled to serve rural areas. I’m sure in your country there are older pictures of essentially the same thing.
It might be the way I blended the videos, but yeah the very next shot is the same train. But you're right if you're identifying how it looks funny without any diesel locomotive!
Simply put - All the lines (Morristown, Gladstone, Montclair) are still in use. Montclair was extended. All non electric lines are also still in use. No Silverliners (SEPTA uses them). NJ Transit Arrow MUs replaced them which are still in use along with different models of Bombardier ALP electric locomotives including Dual mode versions pulling/pushing a variety of single level Comet and Bombardier multi-level coaches.
Evidently the train crew slang for it was "Muddy Hell." Not sure if that refers to the track being in a low-lying spot or what. Probably not a reference to the town itself, just some industry color. Glad you enjoyed it, thank you for your feedback and please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
Yes a few people have mentioned these similar Japanese trains. Thank you for your feedback, please consider subscribing. Also, do you have a link to any videos of the similar Japanese trains? I'm very interested to check these out!
Note that the railroad name, Erie Lackawanna is mot centered above the coach windows. These were Lackawanna cars, and that name was centered. When the Erie and Lackawanna merged in 1969, the name "Erie" was added to the left of "Lackawanna," which resulted in the off-center name.
Really makes it so much more iconic that they lasted, not just with Erie Lackawanna lettering, but the original lettering application by the shop boys at Hoboken circa 1961 and, even by this point, what has to be 40-year-old lettering applied by the DL&W; guessing right after the war. Maybe it's even older than that though right? I mean, both them and then the EL lost their shirts having to run all this commuter service. Maybe some of the lettering is original? Thanks for your input and your viewership; please consider subscribing if you haven't already.
theres 3 that are preserved at the Lebanon Mason Monroe Railroad in Lebanon Ohio operated by the Cincinnati Railway Company one used as cab control car the other 2 used as standard coaches
Wurden die E-Triebzüge später durch weitere diesellokbespannte neuere Züge ersetzt ?? Sind seit damals die ganzen Oberleitungen bis heute obsolet gewesen ??
"THE LACKAWANNA" page on Facebook might have some of this imagery. The other option would be the Steamtown archive of the DL&W engineering dept. files from Scranton. I can check and see if you like. Thank you for watching, please subscribe if you haven't already!
The orange and white paint schemes applied to some of them by NJ Transit was awful. Why not simply paint them Pullman green? A few did get repainted that color towards the end of service.
I wish new rail cars had windows you could open. Not that I don’t like AC. But in the spring or fall it would be great. NJT and Amtrak rider, NYC area.
This must have been the last equipment to offer that. I mean maybe some of the old PRR P70 cars were still running around on the corridor at this point, maybe with windows that could open? Thanks for checking it out. Please subscribe if you haven't!
When were you born? Yeah I was just a pup when My old man shot this footage; don't think I was a long on the trip, and certainly don't remember it if I was. '70s and '80s are sort of those forgotten eras of railroading because everything was in transition. But I've certainly grown to appreciate it as my own formative years and a great era of new railroads and survival of the fittest. Thank you for watching, please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
The fun part is that a lot of these cars have survived into the modern day because of their old fashioned look and becoming available for scrap prices at the peak of tourist railroad expansion. Thank you for watching, please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
I would say that about 60% or more of the coaches got saved, including the subscription/parlor car You see you on the front of one of the last trains (The one with the diamond window)
Threw what away exactly? These routes are still operated with electric trains today and the Arrow III MUs that do a lot of the work are almost as old as these Lackawanna MU’s were back then. I don’t think too many people would be thrilled about riding 95 year old equipment in regular service. And a lot of these have been saved as museum pieces. Seems like not that big a problem.
The main reason these cars were replaced, was age. Many of them were over 50 years old, and it was starting to show. There were even cars in the fleet that were older than that! Whatever the case, the cars were getting harder to maintain due to their age, and it was increasingly difficult to get them certified to operate, as the FRA had changed its rules regarding safety appliances. So, the railroad had to upgrade to newer cars.
Yeah a lot of folks asked about these and that was the same thing I conveyed to them; that it was a great time for them to get retired because you had all these steam and early diesel tourist railroads that needed equipment and bang, all of a sudden there were 300 or whatever clerestory roof passenger cars in beautiful condition available for scrap prices. Thank you for this input, please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
Another user mentioned these. If you have a link to a video of some of these Hakone cars, Please post it here. Thank you for watching, please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
New Jersey, USA, right near New York City. Someone did mention that Australia had an old commuter fleet that ran until the '80s or '90s as well. Even older than these, I believe. Thank you for watching, please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
As far as I know, the horns you hear on them original. I don't know what they are exactly but like dual truck horns, and custom, and for their whole career, pointed downward just above the operators side of the front of the car. Thank you for watching, please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
I'm very glad you enjoyed this! There should be a link at the end of it to watch the entire 3 video series on the last days of operation for these cars. If you enjoyed this, I recommend that you check that out. Thank you for your wonderful feedback, please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
All of it is in Northern New Jersey. Former Lackawanna Railroad lines, now owned and operated by the State of New Jersey under their New Jersey Transit banner. Thank you for your question and please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
I think that's probably always been the case; it just never made the railroad publicity photos. Thanks for checking out the video, please subscribe if you haven't already
You're actually the third person to mention there being similar Soviet equipment from this era. If you have a video you know about of the SR-3, please post it in a comment reply here. I appreciate your feedback, thank you for watching and please consider subscribing!
Такие поезда ходили по всему Советскому Союзу. Они были сцеплены в 3 секции по 3 вагона. Всего 9 вагонов. В кабине первого вагона сидели машинист и помощник. В кабине последнего вагона сидел проводник.
This was, I'm pretty certain, the last main line American railroading time capsule where you could shoot just about anywhere and have it be a movie based in 1940. Not the autos, hairstyles or clothing of course, heh. Thanks for watching!
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New Jersey, USA, right near New York City. Someone did mention that Australia had an old commuter fleet that ran until the '80s or '90s as well. Even older than these, I believe. Thank you for watching, please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
Hello from the United States! Thank you for your commentary. Yes, other people have mentioned similar trains in Japan, Australia, and the USSR. If you have a video link that you can share of the Japanese trains, please post it in the comments here. Thank you again for your viewership, please consider subscribing if you have not yet.
This is in the state of New Jersey on the American east coast. Thank you for your International viewership of this video, and please consider subscribing if you have not already!
Old inefficient power needed the bigger stuff yeah? But it sure got the job done for 50 years. Thank you for watching, please consider subscribing if you haven't already
I'm guessing that these were DC powered instead of AC powered meant a lot more features to handle and manage such direct electricity. Thank you for watching and please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
Very cool! Yeah another person mentioned they look like Soviet trains from this era and Australian trains from this era. Thank you for watching, please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
I have to say those trains look quite menacing. Like a very dark charcoal grey with very little detailing. Reminds me of something I would see at a coal mine. Maybe they looked better in person?
@@plateshutoverlock The thing one should at least consider remembering is that these were built in an era when everything was belching coal smoke around them. As a result, you didn't want anything too light or fancily colored because it would eventually get baked in cinders. And though these were electrics and not hauled by steam locomotives, they were built by Pullman and thus were painted Pullman Green. Thank you for watching, please consider subscribing if you haven't.
@@jonhigginson4096I gotta imagine they were just used to them at that point, but yeah; I imagine being sealed in the air conditioning was a much better experience in the dog days of summer. Thank you for watching and your commentary, please consider subscribing!
That's funny I know exactly what you're talking about! Those were old New York Central cars I think but certainly the same era and aesthetic. Thank you for this very interesting input, please consider subscribing if you haven't already.
They served very well for 50 years. They were certainly long in the tooth by that point, but regardless of old paint and grime, they were still in very good condition and a lot of them still live on in tourist train service. Thank you for watching and please consider subscribing.
I cut the scenes together to make The finished video a little more fluid, but it's the same train as the one in the next scene there, and you can see the power car at the end. Thank you for watching, please consider subscribing if you haven't already!
The salute to the final 12 car train was awesome!
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12 cars MUs were common, especially at rush hour, when they weren't quite as old.
The mere fact they’ve been around for more than a half century of service is incredible
Well, what's funny is that next year, Amtrak's Amfleet I fleet turns 50 😮
A few of those green MU cars made it into West Virginia around Labor Day 1985. They served as coaches on the West Virginia Rail Heritage Festival excursions out of Grafton. One trip made a round trip on the Parkersburg Branch which had been taken out of service a month or two before, and I think a run or two to Terra Alta was made.
The cars still had the antique light globes inside. A few of us knew what we were riding in and pondered how many millions of newspapers had been read in those cars.
I waited awhile to produce and upload these videos, and the suspense was killing even me; such a moment in time, yeah?
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I was on train 639 in the second car making all stops to Dover. I miss those cars.
lots of good coverage of the Last Days [in our videos, certainly, but also] on THE LACKAWANNA page on Facebook. This must have been a fun ride to be on!
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I haven't been to Hoboken since they were removed from service.Doesn't seem to be very much to look at anymore.
The club car on the head end of the final train was one of three still in service when the MUs were retired. One had been nicely repainted, inside and out, with new carpeting and all the wicker arm chairs repainted and given new cushions. The head end car here is at the Whippany Rail Museum, beautifully restored. I don't know what happened to the other 2 including the refinished one.
The "subscription car" or "pay car" or whatever they called it. Creme de la creme for commuter service!
Would be very interested to know what happened to the other two...
thank you so much for sharing this footage. the 12 car train salute was amazing
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@@EDOTrainswow, you recorded this back in 84?
Thanks for sharing. Out here in Chester County PA, the now-defunct Brandywine Scenic Railway used 3 of these old de-electrified DL&W MU trailers as coaches in their tourist train. I think they later went to the Cooperstown and Charlotte Valley Ry. in New York State.
Looks like a pair of them right there:
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You can still ride the trailing cars on the Reading & Northern behind 2102. I've done it several times and always wonder if I might have ridden in the car years before on the Lackawanna Hoboken to Dover line. One recently was beautifully repainted and looks like new.
Middletown & Hummelstown as well. Terrific that so many cars survived!
Oh my look at that huge diamond pantograph. Its just a Beauty ❤
they sure looked so cool
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Definitely lots of folks have been noticing that! There is at least one of the power cars saved, and it is undergoing restoration as far as I understand.
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I was fortunate to get a ride from Hoboken to Gladstone in the club car at the head end of the final train years before when it was still in regular service. It was a great ride. They were private subscription cars but I was given permission to ride.
I posted to a Lackawanna Facebook page the question that maybe you can answer; as I understand it there were three of these cars, the one of course is beautifully preserved in Jersey, but if there were three cars, I'm curious what happened to the other two?
@@EDOTrains If memory serves me correctly the other two in service to the end were 3451 and 3453. I used to track them when still in service. One was assigned to a train out of Morristown and the other out of Dover. The one out of Dover had been completely repainted, new carpet installed and arm chairs refinished.Supposedly they were all ear marked for preservation to be included in a NJ rail museum, but don't know if anything ever happened with that. 3454 was in terrible shape when the Whippany Rail Museum got it, arm chairs stolen. So much for NJ Transit preserving them. The guys in Whippany did a fabulous job on 3454 but I have no idea what happened to the others and no one else seems to know, either. I'm glad I got to ride in all three of them in their final days.
Wow that final clip was really cool!
Thanks much! If you ever want to rewatch it, we have just the last trains as a video posted as well.
Nice to see them again. I remember their finals years in service. I rode them as oftne as possible. Throughout my childhood and early adulthood I rode them under Lackawanna, Erie Lackawanna, Conrail and NJ Transit.
1:04 Yeah these trains traction motors sound like ones used on subways cars here in New York up until the late 1980's
The London Underground still have tube train cars that use those type of traction motors today.
Man, maybe London is headed to long-term bucket list then? Would love to hear that sound in person
@@EDOTrains You can still hear that classic sound on 1972 tube stock on the Bakerloo Line, and 1973 tube stock on the Piccadilly Line in London.
Can also still be heard on the 455 EMUs (dating from the early 80s, but originally bodied on motors from the 1940s) on SWT suburban lines from Waterloo to Guildford and Dorking via Stoneleigh and Epsom.
Likely to be all departed in a couple of years hence.
They sound like the ancient Q stock cars of the district line, that I recorded in the mid sixties!
You can still hear that sound today. It depends on the train.
The video - a nice example of interesting moments in railroads history. Thanx!
If you want a really terrific snippet, check out our video '1977 midday at South Elizabeth' and our 'Southern Tier Gold' compilation, also from 1977-78. Can't get much more of a Whitman's sampler of content than that!
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I used to ride those trains after school, going from Bernardsville to Far Hills. I well remember the rattan seats, the "lounge" car (which probably had a different name), and friendly veteran conductors.
Which one are you referring to? The CNJ MU train?
@@EDOTrains I'm pretty ignorant about railroading, even though I'm a train watcher. I believe that these were the old green cars that still had Erie-Lackawanna painted on their sides. This would be 1978 and earlier on the Gladstone Branch.
and thank you for showing !!
These are fairly familiar to me, though I never rode on them. Instead, I'm a crew member at the Illinois Railway Museum, and we've got three DL&W Boonton commuter coaches that we use in regular service on our locomotive-hauled trains.
I would have to agree with everyone else. This was amazing to watch and very sad as well. But the ultimate salute and tribute was the very last run with 12 cars! Outstanding! I just found your channel and have subbed. 😊🇺🇸
I greatly appreciate that! Yeah preservation was very strong for the trailer cars/conventional coaches; I get the sense it was much less so for the power cars.
One that did get saved was the 4628, which is the last car, rear power car, on the last Gladstone train there. It first went to Rochester New York and has since gone back to Jersey, and we will post video of it arriving in Rochester in 1985 and leaving in 2022, on the 40th anniversary of the former event this coming February.
@@EDOTrains Thank you so much for that information really appreciate it! 👍
Fare thee well, Erie Lackawanna Electric Multiple Unit (MU) cars (1930-84). You have served the Morristown Line, as well as the Montclair & Gladstone Branches, well!
Well said, and a great tribute. Thanks
@@EDOTrains Don't mention it.
こんなにもクールな電車がいた時代に、投稿者様が立ち会えているのが羨ましいです。一度こんな景色を見てみたかった…
Yeah my father actually shot these films. I was just a little one when he did, so I'm also very glad to be able to see color sound films from this era.
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Thank you for posting these beauties. I clipped a few shots from your video as I am drawing them. Your video gave me excellent looks at the details I needed. Such wonderful cars they were! Thanks!
That's awesome, would love to see these when they're done! We have an Instagram channel as well and I wouldn't mind posting them if you want us to. @edotrains over there.
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I can’t believe these cars lasted just as long as they did. It’s kinda like barts legacy fleet cars lol. Most of these types of cars were retired in the 60s and early 70s. Must have been quite the sight to see in the 1980s. Those bells are music to my ears 😊
I bet someone can fill in the blank on how many times there was a 'five year plan' to replace them and after year 4, they had to move the goalposts. If you think about it, it does make sense though; neither the DL&W or E-L would have had the bread to replace them, nor would they have wanted to given that the east end commuter services were a red ink albatross around their necks. An albatross that doubled-down on hurricanes and the death of anthracite to ultimately sink both railroads.
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We can take heart in knowing many of the trailing cars made it to tourist railroads, are in fine condition today, and still running after more than 100 years. Most of the trailers were converted from DL&W open vestibule coaches in 1930.
Back in 1985, I took a ride on a Septa train that had it's usual Silverliner cars but what stood out about it is that one of the cars was a vintage car much like what's in this video. It was almost like riding a train in the Old West. Wooden interior, with wooden doors complete with doorknobs and old fashioned Victorian looking keyholes. It was pretty bizarre. AFAIK this wasn't being used as a show car, but as a regular commuter car, as if Septa didn't have enough of the Silverliners available that day so they took some of their old (I'm guessing 1920s vintage or close) rolling stock out of mothballs and used it in some of their trains for that afternoon commute.
@@plateshutoverlockSilverliners were built by Budd.
このような釣りかけ駆動し式の車両はあのごぉーって感じの音が大好きです
That whirring motor sound. The generators
This was the last line in North America to still use 3kV DC power the Milwaukee Road, Cleveland Union Terminal and Mexican Railways had either de-electrifying or Converted the Electrification by that point
South Shore switched when?
@@EDOTrains it uses 1500V DC not 3kV DC
@@IndustrialParrot2816 oh gotcha; my mind didn't process the distinction
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The newer electric Silverliners replaced both the aging MU Fleet and the diesel powered trains.
AWESOME!💯🌍 The good ol days!😊
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The current Arrow II/III cars replaced the MUs, but to this day, they’re limited to the Gladstone Branch line which runs from Hoboken Terminal to Gladstone, if I’m not mistaken.
watching this video is like a time machine.
It's funny because these things were like time machines even in 1984. But I agree with you it really is like that; how often can you see color sound films of cars from the '30s?!
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Thank you Great video
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1:37 客車が自走してる姿はとても奇妙です
We’ve had electric multiple units in the United States for over a century. Many of them, especially the older ones, look almost exactly like passenger cars except with traction equipment and pantographs. Even with non-electric equipment many gasoline-powered rail cars and DMUs had that appearance. Check out images of the Budd Rail Diesel Car (RDC). Apart from the roof, the ends, and the undercarriage, they look almost exactly like a contemporary Budd streamlined passenger car, but were meant to be self-propelled to serve rural areas.
I’m sure in your country there are older pictures of essentially the same thing.
I think Japan got it's first electrical multiple units in 1950s?
It might be the way I blended the videos, but yeah the very next shot is the same train. But you're right if you're identifying how it looks funny without any diesel locomotive!
I think this line still survives as New Jersey Transit and runs with silverliner electrics.
Simply put - All the lines (Morristown, Gladstone, Montclair) are still in use. Montclair was extended. All non electric lines are also still in use. No Silverliners (SEPTA uses them). NJ Transit Arrow MUs replaced them which are still in use along with different models of Bombardier ALP electric locomotives including Dual mode versions pulling/pushing a variety of single level Comet and Bombardier multi-level coaches.
@@ELAlcoRS3 On the Gladstone Branch I've seen electric silverliner type trains. This branch is decades old.
@albertcarello619 they're not silverliners, they're arrows. The difference is the Middle door.
Wasn’t expecting to see my hometown in the first clip. Very nostalgic indeed.
Evidently the train crew slang for it was "Muddy Hell." Not sure if that refers to the track being in a low-lying spot or what. Probably not a reference to the town itself, just some industry color.
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Sounds like the old NYC R-1 subway cars.
Yeah? The awesome generator rev-up sound as they hit it?
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@@EDOTrains I'll consider it, And, Thank you very much for answering my comment.
Yes they do.
シール、ヘッダーで補強された堂々たる車体、イコライザー式の台車が奏でる釣駆音…素晴らしい…参宮急行デ2200形や新京阪のデイ100形の様な古豪…
インターアーバン全盛の古き良き時代…
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I love these 12 car trains! What does MU stand for?
Multiple Unit
@@danielboone3770 Multiple Unit.
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multiple unit
Note that the railroad name, Erie Lackawanna is mot centered above the coach windows. These were Lackawanna cars, and that name was centered. When the Erie and Lackawanna merged in 1969, the name "Erie" was added to the left of "Lackawanna," which resulted in the off-center name.
Really makes it so much more iconic that they lasted, not just with Erie Lackawanna lettering, but the original lettering application by the shop boys at Hoboken circa 1961 and, even by this point, what has to be 40-year-old lettering applied by the DL&W; guessing right after the war.
Maybe it's even older than that though right? I mean, both them and then the EL lost their shirts having to run all this commuter service. Maybe some of the lettering is original?
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Wasn't the EL merger earlier on than 1969?
theres 3 that are preserved at the Lebanon Mason Monroe Railroad in Lebanon Ohio operated by the Cincinnati Railway Company one used as cab control car the other 2 used as standard coaches
18:29 *All... aboard!*
Erie lackawanna used originally steam locomotives
I hope electrification continues. Was the railway converted to 12 or 25kv ac from 3kv dc?
Wurden die E-Triebzüge später durch weitere diesellokbespannte neuere Züge ersetzt ?? Sind seit damals die ganzen Oberleitungen bis heute obsolet gewesen ??
Awesome
I would love to see the workshops where they repaired these.
"THE LACKAWANNA" page on Facebook might have some of this imagery. The other option would be the Steamtown archive of the DL&W engineering dept. files from Scranton. I can check and see if you like.
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The orange and white paint schemes applied to some of them by NJ Transit was awful. Why not simply paint them Pullman green? A few did get repainted that color towards the end of service.
Did any other Transit stuff get painted that color?
I wish new rail cars had windows you could open. Not that I don’t like AC. But in the spring or fall it would be great. NJT and Amtrak rider, NYC area.
This must have been the last equipment to offer that. I mean maybe some of the old PRR P70 cars were still running around on the corridor at this point, maybe with windows that could open?
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i honestly would like to have born in 80-90s, where the beautiful engines were existing-
When were you born? Yeah I was just a pup when My old man shot this footage; don't think I was a long on the trip, and certainly don't remember it if I was. '70s and '80s are sort of those forgotten eras of railroading because everything was in transition. But I've certainly grown to appreciate it as my own formative years and a great era of new railroads and survival of the fittest.
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Very nice video, likes from me!
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😊😊😊😊
You said it 😊
These cars have had much in common with S-series cars (См3, Ср3) in Soviet Union in the same period.
That's a new one. A lot of folks have mentioned similar cars in Australia.
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@@EDOTrains Done;))
1984? Looks like these train sets date back to 1904, amazing level of investment into the railways I say.
The fun part is that a lot of these cars have survived into the modern day because of their old fashioned look and becoming available for scrap prices at the peak of tourist railroad expansion.
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バンタグラフがでかい
it's pantograph if i am correct, indian railways uses even bigger of them
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As recently as 1984. And they threw it all away.
I would say that about 60% or more of the coaches got saved, including the subscription/parlor car You see you on the front of one of the last trains (The one with the diamond window)
Threw what away exactly? These routes are still operated with electric trains today and the Arrow III MUs that do a lot of the work are almost as old as these Lackawanna MU’s were back then. I don’t think too many people would be thrilled about riding 95 year old equipment in regular service. And a lot of these have been saved as museum pieces. Seems like not that big a problem.
The main reason these cars were replaced, was age. Many of them were over 50 years old, and it was starting to show. There were even cars in the fleet that were older than that! Whatever the case, the cars were getting harder to maintain due to their age, and it was increasingly difficult to get them certified to operate, as the FRA had changed its rules regarding safety appliances. So, the railroad had to upgrade to newer cars.
absolutely nothing like those MUs. The trailers ended up all over the country on museums.
Yeah a lot of folks asked about these and that was the same thing I conveyed to them; that it was a great time for them to get retired because you had all these steam and early diesel tourist railroads that needed equipment and bang, all of a sudden there were 300 or whatever clerestory roof passenger cars in beautiful condition available for scrap prices.
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海外の旧型の列車もかっこいいけど個人的にはやっぱり日本の旧型の列車の箱根登山鉄道モハ1型、キハ40、キハ47、103系、105系、115系、205系、DE10、ED75、ED50、ED45、EF81、EF65、EF64、東武8000系、東武10000系、東武10030系など(2024年現在全部現役で活躍中)の方がかっこいいと思ってしまう😅
Another user mentioned these. If you have a link to a video of some of these Hakone cars, Please post it here.
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Where was this place? in USA or in Australia??
New Jersey, USA, right near New York City. Someone did mention that Australia had an old commuter fleet that ran until the '80s or '90s as well. Even older than these, I believe.
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@@EDOTrains you are welcomed. Yes, they do. In Melbourne, they replace their trains recently.
@@EDOTrains In Hong Kong, we also have metro-trains that run more than 40 years, but they renew them in between. Some been replaced.
Maybe a cleaning would have given them some more days in service 😂
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These would have surely had air whistles later swapped out for horns in the 50s or 60s.
As far as I know, the horns you hear on them original. I don't know what they are exactly but like dual truck horns, and custom, and for their whole career, pointed downward just above the operators side of the front of the car.
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これはとても素晴らしい、、、、
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Nearly no sound difference to the Berlin "Stadtbahner" S-Bahn trains. They were also built around 1930s but were in use till the ealry 2000s.
The Germans know how to do it!
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Where ist this?
All of it is in Northern New Jersey. Former Lackawanna Railroad lines, now owned and operated by the State of New Jersey under their New Jersey Transit banner.
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5:28 Sounds like the Shinkansen.
Just that quiet whizzing by sound..
Well the trash-strewn track bed situation hasn't changed.
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@@EDOTrains Ha yeah you're right about that....thanks for the vid....super interesting. I live on the M&E line so nice nostalgia.
Очень похож этот поезд на советский электропоезд СР-3, который был в эксплуатации с 50 до 90 годов прошлого века
You're actually the third person to mention there being similar Soviet equipment from this era. If you have a video you know about of the SR-3, please post it in a comment reply here.
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Такие поезда ходили по всему Советскому Союзу. Они были сцеплены в 3 секции по 3 вагона. Всего 9 вагонов. В кабине первого вагона сидели машинист и помощник. В кабине последнего вагона сидел проводник.
1984? Looks more like 1940. But you know what? Still awesome.
This was, I'm pretty certain, the last main line American railroading time capsule where you could shoot just about anywhere and have it be a movie based in 1940.
Not the autos, hairstyles or clothing of course, heh. Thanks for watching!
Erie lackawanna m-u trains em ramal Santa Cruz e Japeri
Ancient
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Is that in US America?Seems to be an english speaking country and the couplings look American to me.
New Jersey, USA, right near New York City. Someone did mention that Australia had an old commuter fleet that ran until the '80s or '90s as well. Even older than these, I believe.
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この電車の魅力、日本人にも分かり易いね
日本にも似たような電車がありましたから
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Erie lackawanna mu car suburban train
Erie lackawanna mu trains
どこの国？
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big pantograph👀
Old inefficient power needed the bigger stuff yeah? But it sure got the job done for 50 years.
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パンタがデカｯ❗
I'm guessing that these were DC powered instead of AC powered meant a lot more features to handle and manage such direct electricity.
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日本の旧型国電みたい。
Very cool! Yeah another person mentioned they look like Soviet trains from this era and Australian trains from this era.
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You know what they say. Whats old shound get replaced and scraped
I have to say those trains look quite menacing. Like a very dark charcoal grey with very little detailing. Reminds me of something I would see at a coal mine. Maybe they looked better in person?
@@plateshutoverlock The thing one should at least consider remembering is that these were built in an era when everything was belching coal smoke around them. As a result, you didn't want anything too light or fancily colored because it would eventually get baked in cinders. And though these were electrics and not hauled by steam locomotives, they were built by Pullman and thus were painted Pullman Green.
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These units are so characterful but just as with the old slam door stock in the UK I can’t imagine commuters of today tolerating such things.
Who says that? Cynics?
@@jonhigginson4096I gotta imagine they were just used to them at that point, but yeah; I imagine being sealed in the air conditioning was a much better experience in the dog days of summer.
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Stayin' Alive (Official Video)に登場した電車みたい。
That's funny I know exactly what you're talking about! Those were old New York Central cars I think but certainly the same era and aesthetic.
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Comparing to modern day trains, those things look like pieces of crap
They served very well for 50 years. They were certainly long in the tooth by that point, but regardless of old paint and grime, they were still in very good condition and a lot of them still live on in tourist train service.
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1:37 客車が自走してる姿はとても奇妙です
I cut the scenes together to make The finished video a little more fluid, but it's the same train as the one in the next scene there, and you can see the power car at the end.
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@@EDOTrains登録しました!!