Thank you for making the point that lots of people in history didn't achieve business or monetary success outside of inheritance. It's still something that exists today, families staying more or less stuck in cycles of poverty, with exceptions here and there.
Bull Gate, Steve Jobs, Taylor Swift, Kardeshians, Bezos etc don't start from nothing. They were from an upper Middle class family. ElMo family owner slaves and owned some mines in South Africa. Self made billioma are a hoax
Yeah, it's really nice to see that fact brought up. So much of today's society has this incessant attitude of "you can do it! You can do everything! It's YOUR fault if you're not successful!" which... really isn't true. It might be more common today, if only by virtue of more people going to school and just *more* people, but it's very rare that a """nobody""" ends up achieving success all on their own.
Seems after her death, her successor quickly went out of business due to “changing tastes” and the Duke of York failing to pay for things they made for him. Also, around that time Portland Cement became the new way to make fake stone and that’s less of a process (Coade Stone needed two kiln firings over the course of DAYS and required an even temperature throughout the process. Apparently somewhere around the south end of Westminster Bridge there’s a horse drawn mill wheel from her factory as a memorial to Mrs Coade. Also her factory is now the site of the Royal Festival Hall.
I like that people think men in history weren’t successful as a result of inheritance or divorce. Like I’m sure there’s some, but the vast majority of people had some sort of leg up in life.
Inheriting something through widowhood and especially divorce is probably quite rare for men historically, but when it comes to inheritance overall, it's difficult to disagree. I can't think of that many from rags to riches stories off the top of my head, especially outside the Soviet Union at a specific timeframe, where social lifts and the idea of a working man being in charge was the whole point.
I imagine it depends where you draw the line of "Success". I would say that someone who clawed their way into some sort of apprenticeship, and then climbed the ranks into something either like a respected craftsman or shop owner counts as a success... and if so there's probably a lot of that happening, no inheritance needed. It also depends how far back you go. Someone joining the Roman legions, for example, could come from nothing and end up with decent land and so on. The idea of success primarily meaning "become filthy rich" is a pretty recent one. Just climbing a social rank was a massive win until very recently. Most women were basically locked into 'marrying up' as their sole path to improving their lot, which makes women like this one so impressive.
Its important never to underestimate the power of bootstraps but if you're planning to make it all the way into historical notoriety you're probably going to need to start with a pretty quality pair of boots, and statistically its more likely you don't have boots at all.
@@wraitholme Hmm, yes, that makes sense, for some reason I didn't think about it in terms of apprenticeships and the Roman Empire slipped my mind completely. I thought of success more as "gaining power and recognition" rather then "becoming rich", but I couldn't thinks of ways one could have done it without certain financial infusions. Perhaps my perception is somewhat askew, distorted by modern trends.
@@nimnimn6930I appreciate that you subtly made a dig at bootstrap theory while silently giving a nod to the Sam Vimes Boot Theory of Economic Unfairness. Bravo!
Naturally, it's outside of your area, but the first (documented) self-made woman millionaire in the US was a black lady. She was born right after slavery ended. She invented a hair product and developed a multi-level marketing system to sell it. Her name was Madam C. J. Walker.
Everyone that was ever successful at least had a basic education and until relatively modern times basic education was not guaranteed to anyone you had to be rich to have it. And you could have all the wonderful ideas in the world but if you have no money you know what's going to listen to you and unfortunately that's true even today d
@@420sakura1a friend of mine invented a little rod mounted fishing light for night fishing. The local fish tackle store owner stole his idea ! Apparently those cheap nifty ideas you see sold on late night TV (or used to be) steal peoples ideas and just make tiny adjustments and then mass produce it more cheaply than original owners. So happens way more than you think...
I'm repeatedly reminded how bizarre it is that, for hundreds of years, women were considered unfit to be in charge of anything _except_ _the_ _entire_ _country_ .
And even that was because of a succession crisis. Her uncles kept on having illegitimate children and the legitimate ones they did have kept dying before they could ever take the throne. It was lucky some of the uncles survived till Victoria was 18 otherwise her mother would have become regent and apparently no one wanted that and even Victoria tried to kick her out of the Palace.
In which centuries-long period of British history were women considered unfit to be in charge of anything? And by whom? Sure, some people have taken (and still take) certain attitudes about what things may or may not be run by a woman, (which often varied substantially depending on social class), but I am not aware of any universal attitude across the entire spectrum of class and locality that dictated for centuries that women were unfit to be in charge of anything at all.
The manufacturer of Coade stone was a woman?!? I live near St Pancras church with the caryatids made of it and guides always tell me who designed them, why they’re short and what they’re made of, and in the whole explanation no one ever mentioned Eleanor Coade.
This must be one of your first viewings of her videos. Integrity, humanity, empathy, intellect, humor, and a willingness to “go there,” whether “there” is a cesspool literally or figuratively. And all backed up either by solid research or with a frank disclaimer about the quality of her sources. I have never found her lacking. Welcome! You won’t be disappointed.
Actually at that point women who owned land still had the vote. The second Earl Grey (he of Grey's Monument and the tea) removed that right with the 1849 Great Reform Act. It also got rid of the rotten boroughs
I'd like to say that this is the reason I do not drink Earl Grey tea....but really, it's just disgusting. I don't know what Jean Luc sees in it, seeing how he is from France, not England.
The majority of rotten boroughs and pocket boroughs were abolished with the Reform Act of 1832, and the last traces were eradicated with the Reform Act of 1867. I don't seem to be able to find a (Great) Reform Act of 1849?
@@Ice_Karma I may have the year wrong, but I think for good reason. No you're right, it was 1832. No idea where I got 1849 from. In my checking I am now left wondering what happened to the 1837 time capsule that was under Grey's Monument? It would have been moved when the Metro station was built
Apart from being 1832, precious few people could vote prior to 1832 anyway, less than 1% of the population and due to rules around property of married women, even fewer met the requirements to vote. Note after the 1832 reform act only 7% of the male population could vote. Even when women got the vote in 1918 40% of men could not vote, so the idea it was just "men" out oppressing women is highly spurious.
@@jonathanbuzzard1376 It's ironic that it's about 40% or more that don't bother to vote now! Even in places where voting is mandatory it's around 85% turnout
Have you heard of the Dr Barrie (sp?) who performed one of the first c-sections as a male Doctor amongst other accomplishments, and was only identified as “female” by their genitalia when they died and were prepared for burial by being washed?
I just looked them up, and WOW. They rose high in the ranks of military medical officers and had quite the storied life. They got in trouble a lot as well, partly because they could be a bit of a cantankerous jerk (they had beef with Florence Nightingale!) and partly because, as Wikipedia says, “Wherever Barry served across the British Empire, improvements were made to sanitary conditions and the conditions and diet of both the common soldier and other under-represented groups. Barry was outraged by unnecessary suffering, and took a heavy-handed and sometimes tactless approach to demanding improvements for the poor and underprivileged which often incited anger from officials and military officers; on several occasions Barry was both arrested and demoted for the extremity of this behaviour.” Barry was born and raised female, and took on a male persona at the age of 20 to go to medical school. They maintained that persona for the rest of their life, and if anyone knew about it, no one said anything. After Barry’s death, when their sex was discovered, many people assumed Barry must have been intersexed, since no woman could have done all the things Barry did. However, all the evidence points to Barry being biologically female. I can’t tell from the source (reading Wikipedia on my lunch break; I am a master researcher, come at me) whether they considered themself male or female, thus the “they” pronoun.
@@mrjones2721 yes - that’s what I found as well - although I didn’t realise they had a beef with Florence Nightingale (as a familial descendent). But apparently their reason for brashness was to avoid getting into lengthy arguments about their looks - hold everyone at arms length and they don’t notice your baby face, lack of facial hair etc. I too used the pronoun they/them for the same reason - there is no clarity how they identified their gender, other than to portray themselves as male for access to education and advancement of career.
She has the best recipe and kiln process...I guess you could say she cracked the **coade** on artificial stone. Yeeeeeeaaaaahhhhhh!!!! 😎 CSI: London History
To the point of people often not being able to become wealthy or invent something without wealth or already, I was having a conversation where a guy lamented about the rich people he worked forand I said "we all work for rich people, I don't know any poor people with employees."
Hey you said Castle with a short a sound like a northerner rather than what I would have thought a longer Londoner would say it Or is London big enough that it's not uniform
For the Curious, Coade stone seems to be a twice-fired ceramic, like brick: 10% grog 5-10% crushed flint 5-10% fine quartz 10% crushed soda lime glass 60-70% ball clay from Dorset and Devon en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coade_stone
Another RUclipsr was talking about the format the different platforms (RUclips, TikTok, Meta, etc.) want and one wanted videos under a minute and one wanted videos over minute. So an original video just over a minute can be edited slightly so that both sites are happy. Of course, this could change at a moment’s notice. In the future, historians will be studying the different formulae for video monetizations the way we study the confusing Victorian rules of etiquette.
@@konstantin.v what does that even have to do with the fact that you’re constantly on her page leaving more than 100 comments yet it seems like you don’t even actually like her content Also where are you getting your sources from because I looked it up and none of it was fake, it seemed so either you’re lying or you only looked for a source that agreed with you
@@wiglicious. , has it been 100 comments already? Well, I can explain 😂 It's been because of dudes like you, actually. You know, I usually comment when I have a question or a counterpoint. Otherwise, I just leave a like. Today J herself said "fake (stone)", which caught my ear, so I asked. Then often comes some angry person to tell me in a prolonged thread how wrong or bad I am. Like you today. And so the circle continues 🤭
@@konstantin.v I didn’t say you were bad lol all I did was ask a question of why you’re here if you didn’t like it cause it seemed from looking at your previous you always posted something trying to combat her, and then not to mention you dodged my question but anyways I think there was a misunderstanding I thought you meant the story was fake that’s what I called you out on also a little word of advice if ppl are always coming and telling you you’re wrong or that you’re a bad person why don’t you have some self reflection time And p.s. always wanting drama isn’t a good look on you lol
Thank you for making the point that lots of people in history didn't achieve business or monetary success outside of inheritance. It's still something that exists today, families staying more or less stuck in cycles of poverty, with exceptions here and there.
Bull Gate, Steve Jobs, Taylor Swift, Kardeshians, Bezos etc don't start from nothing. They were from an upper Middle class family. ElMo family owner slaves and owned some mines in South Africa. Self made billioma are a hoax
Yeah, it's really nice to see that fact brought up. So much of today's society has this incessant attitude of "you can do it! You can do everything! It's YOUR fault if you're not successful!" which... really isn't true. It might be more common today, if only by virtue of more people going to school and just *more* people, but it's very rare that a """nobody""" ends up achieving success all on their own.
Seems after her death, her successor quickly went out of business due to “changing tastes” and the Duke of York failing to pay for things they made for him. Also, around that time Portland Cement became the new way to make fake stone and that’s less of a process (Coade Stone needed two kiln firings over the course of DAYS and required an even temperature throughout the process.
Apparently somewhere around the south end of Westminster Bridge there’s a horse drawn mill wheel from her factory as a memorial to Mrs Coade. Also her factory is now the site of the Royal Festival Hall.
Good on the UK for commemorating her.
I like that people think men in history weren’t successful as a result of inheritance or divorce. Like I’m sure there’s some, but the vast majority of people had some sort of leg up in life.
Inheriting something through widowhood and especially divorce is probably quite rare for men historically, but when it comes to inheritance overall, it's difficult to disagree. I can't think of that many from rags to riches stories off the top of my head, especially outside the Soviet Union at a specific timeframe, where social lifts and the idea of a working man being in charge was the whole point.
I imagine it depends where you draw the line of "Success".
I would say that someone who clawed their way into some sort of apprenticeship, and then climbed the ranks into something either like a respected craftsman or shop owner counts as a success... and if so there's probably a lot of that happening, no inheritance needed.
It also depends how far back you go. Someone joining the Roman legions, for example, could come from nothing and end up with decent land and so on.
The idea of success primarily meaning "become filthy rich" is a pretty recent one. Just climbing a social rank was a massive win until very recently. Most women were basically locked into 'marrying up' as their sole path to improving their lot, which makes women like this one so impressive.
Its important never to underestimate the power of bootstraps but if you're planning to make it all the way into historical notoriety you're probably going to need to start with a pretty quality pair of boots, and statistically its more likely you don't have boots at all.
@@wraitholme Hmm, yes, that makes sense, for some reason I didn't think about it in terms of apprenticeships and the Roman Empire slipped my mind completely. I thought of success more as "gaining power and recognition" rather then "becoming rich", but I couldn't thinks of ways one could have done it without certain financial infusions. Perhaps my perception is somewhat askew, distorted by modern trends.
@@nimnimn6930I appreciate that you subtly made a dig at bootstrap theory while silently giving a nod to the Sam Vimes Boot Theory of Economic Unfairness. Bravo!
Naturally, it's outside of your area, but the first (documented) self-made woman millionaire in the US was a black lady. She was born right after slavery ended. She invented a hair product and developed a multi-level marketing system to sell it. Her name was Madam C. J. Walker.
Everyone that was ever successful at least had a basic education and until relatively modern times basic education was not guaranteed to anyone you had to be rich to have it. And you could have all the wonderful ideas in the world but if you have no money you know what's going to listen to you and unfortunately that's true even today d
And rich and powerful people stealing your ideas also haven't changed.
@@420sakura1a friend of mine invented a little rod mounted fishing light for night fishing. The local fish tackle store owner stole his idea ! Apparently those cheap nifty ideas you see sold on late night TV (or used to be) steal peoples ideas and just make tiny adjustments and then mass produce it more cheaply than original owners. So happens way more than you think...
I raise you John Harrison, an uneducated genius!
I'm repeatedly reminded how bizarre it is that, for hundreds of years, women were considered unfit to be in charge of anything _except_ _the_ _entire_ _country_ .
And even that was because of a succession crisis. Her uncles kept on having illegitimate children and the legitimate ones they did have kept dying before they could ever take the throne. It was lucky some of the uncles survived till Victoria was 18 otherwise her mother would have become regent and apparently no one wanted that and even Victoria tried to kick her out of the Palace.
In which centuries-long period of British history were women considered unfit to be in charge of anything? And by whom?
Sure, some people have taken (and still take) certain attitudes about what things may or may not be run by a woman, (which often varied substantially depending on social class), but I am not aware of any universal attitude across the entire spectrum of class and locality that dictated for centuries that women were unfit to be in charge of anything at all.
The manufacturer of Coade stone was a woman?!? I live near St Pancras church with the caryatids made of it and guides always tell me who designed them, why they’re short and what they’re made of, and in the whole explanation no one ever mentioned Eleanor Coade.
Wow, much appreciated that you immediately addressed the issue of generational wealth. That's a huge gold star for your intellectual integrity.
This must be one of your first viewings of her videos. Integrity, humanity, empathy, intellect, humor, and a willingness to “go there,” whether “there” is a cesspool literally or figuratively. And all backed up either by solid research or with a frank disclaimer about the quality of her sources. I have never found her lacking. Welcome! You won’t be disappointed.
@@thoughtfulskeptic7529 no, it's been many, many videos now. It's still important to offer specific praise.
@@Levacque I stand corrected.
Fascinating! I love your point about some form of inheritance being crucial for success.
Well, you do need start-up capital ...
Actually at that point women who owned land still had the vote. The second Earl Grey (he of Grey's Monument and the tea) removed that right with the 1849 Great Reform Act. It also got rid of the rotten boroughs
I'd like to say that this is the reason I do not drink Earl Grey tea....but really, it's just disgusting. I don't know what Jean Luc sees in it, seeing how he is from France, not England.
The majority of rotten boroughs and pocket boroughs were abolished with the Reform Act of 1832, and the last traces were eradicated with the Reform Act of 1867. I don't seem to be able to find a (Great) Reform Act of 1849?
@@Ice_Karma I may have the year wrong, but I think for good reason. No you're right, it was 1832. No idea where I got 1849 from. In my checking I am now left wondering what happened to the 1837 time capsule that was under Grey's Monument? It would have been moved when the Metro station was built
Apart from being 1832, precious few people could vote prior to 1832 anyway, less than 1% of the population and due to rules around property of married women, even fewer met the requirements to vote. Note after the 1832 reform act only 7% of the male population could vote. Even when women got the vote in 1918 40% of men could not vote, so the idea it was just "men" out oppressing women is highly spurious.
@@jonathanbuzzard1376 It's ironic that it's about 40% or more that don't bother to vote now! Even in places where voting is mandatory it's around 85% turnout
Hi from Ireland 🇮🇪.i believe that the recipe for this artificial stone was lost when she died and has never been successfully replicated
I love pointing out that lion on my tours. He's got a very uncomfortable expression on his face- must be the time capsule shoved up his bottom!
Have you heard of the Dr Barrie (sp?) who performed one of the first c-sections as a male
Doctor amongst other accomplishments, and was only identified as “female” by their genitalia when they died and were prepared for burial by being washed?
I just looked them up, and WOW. They rose high in the ranks of military medical officers and had quite the storied life. They got in trouble a lot as well, partly because they could be a bit of a cantankerous jerk (they had beef with Florence Nightingale!) and partly because, as Wikipedia says, “Wherever Barry served across the British Empire, improvements were made to sanitary conditions and the conditions and diet of both the common soldier and other under-represented groups. Barry was outraged by unnecessary suffering, and took a heavy-handed and sometimes tactless approach to demanding improvements for the poor and underprivileged which often incited anger from officials and military officers; on several occasions Barry was both arrested and demoted for the extremity of this behaviour.”
Barry was born and raised female, and took on a male persona at the age of 20 to go to medical school. They maintained that persona for the rest of their life, and if anyone knew about it, no one said anything.
After Barry’s death, when their sex was discovered, many people assumed Barry must have been intersexed, since no woman could have done all the things Barry did. However, all the evidence points to Barry being biologically female. I can’t tell from the source (reading Wikipedia on my lunch break; I am a master researcher, come at me) whether they considered themself male or female, thus the “they” pronoun.
@@mrjones2721 yes - that’s what I found as well - although I didn’t realise they had a beef with Florence Nightingale (as a familial descendent). But apparently their reason for brashness was to avoid getting into lengthy arguments about their looks - hold everyone at arms length and they don’t notice your baby face, lack of facial hair etc.
I too used the pronoun they/them for the same reason - there is no clarity how they identified their gender, other than to portray themselves as male for access to education and advancement of career.
This is an awesome channel
"Self made" is often "was already rich and used that money to get more money"
Another interesting, informative and entertaining video. 👍
She has the best recipe and kiln process...I guess you could say she cracked the **coade** on artificial stone. Yeeeeeeaaaaahhhhhh!!!! 😎
CSI: London History
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I want to know more - as always, your shorts are truly fascinating. Thank you.
That's really impressive!
This is awesome- thank you! I'll show this to my daughter when she finished school today. ❤
To the point of people often not being able to become wealthy or invent something without wealth or already, I was having a conversation where a guy lamented about the rich people he worked forand I said "we all work for rich people, I don't know any poor people with employees."
you get prettier by the day ❣
That’s brilliant! she absolutely rocks!
Amazing ❤ Would love to hear more about this lady and more about Fake Stone 😮
Sounds pretty cool! I wonder if it was the ancestor of cement?
Howdy!
There is, after all, a reason why "boot straps" were chosen. Thank You for opening the video with that note.
Always excited to se a new post from you!! ❤❤❤
Hey you said Castle with a short a sound like a northerner rather than what I would have thought a longer Londoner would say it
Or is London big enough that it's not uniform
Wasn't she the one wiht the diaries? I think I saw a video about her...
Good story. cheers,
Solid as a rock!
Great video J.Draper !👍
Fascinating video. Thanks
She should be famous.
So cool, I kinda wanna hear more about her 😅
For the Curious, Coade stone seems to be a twice-fired ceramic, like brick:
10% grog
5-10% crushed flint
5-10% fine quartz
10% crushed soda lime glass
60-70% ball clay from Dorset and Devon
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coade_stone
Nice!
Thank you
Did it resist the environmental damage better than stone then?
Yep
I feel like it'a an indictment of the Internet that something of length 1m11s is considered long, heh.
Another RUclipsr was talking about the format the different platforms (RUclips, TikTok, Meta, etc.) want and one wanted videos under a minute and one wanted videos over minute. So an original video just over a minute can be edited slightly so that both sites are happy. Of course, this could change at a moment’s notice. In the future, historians will be studying the different formulae for video monetizations the way we study the confusing Victorian rules of etiquette.
A neat little history rabbit hole. Thanks for sharing it. :)
0:18 that’s exactly what I was thinking 😂
Thanks again, British Lady. You're the best
Very cool statues and cool fake stone
Nothing like real stone.🧐
Can you do a video on all the successful men who started rich or married into money?
Or rags to riches of men?
On ALL of them?
Both the born rich and the bon poor?
The way you phrased it, that would cover every rich man in history.
Cutie history lady
Wow😮
*Ron Weasley voice*
Cool
she ulso hud a delshs urs but i gs thuts just lic erlvnt nuow
She wasn't defrauding her clients, right? 😊
Just from looking at your other comments it seems like you have a real problem with her content, which begs the question why are you here ?😂
@@wiglicious. , no need to get your knickers in a twist, I've already looked it up: _"fake"_ was probably not the best word to use there, that's all 😊
@@konstantin.v what does that even have to do with the fact that you’re constantly on her page leaving more than 100 comments yet it seems like you don’t even actually like her content
Also where are you getting your sources from because I looked it up and none of it was fake, it seemed so either you’re lying or you only looked for a source that agreed with you
@@wiglicious. , has it been 100 comments already? Well, I can explain 😂 It's been because of dudes like you, actually.
You know, I usually comment when I have a question or a counterpoint. Otherwise, I just leave a like. Today J herself said "fake (stone)", which caught my ear, so I asked. Then often comes some angry person to tell me in a prolonged thread how wrong or bad I am. Like you today. And so the circle continues 🤭
@@konstantin.v I didn’t say you were bad lol all I did was ask a question of why you’re here if you didn’t like it cause it seemed from looking at your previous you always posted something trying to combat her, and then not to mention you dodged my question but anyways I think there was a misunderstanding I thought you meant the story was fake that’s what I called you out on also a little word of advice if ppl are always coming and telling you you’re wrong or that you’re a bad person why don’t you have some self reflection time
And p.s. always wanting drama isn’t a good look on you lol
Fake stone I think you mean concrete😂😂😂
Concrete doesn’t go through a firing process. Concrete is a mixture of aggregate, water and cement. It is not an umbrella term for fake stone.
The lady who made the slinky what it was.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_James