i love this judge..... these defence lawyers been asking questions that are irrelevant. the main point is that Senzo was shot so now they must prove that their clients never went there and never shot Senzo.....
I didn't know that our country has such a good Judge! This case is going to be closed very soon and the right perpetrators are going to dance for their sweet music. What goes around , comes around. Konke kunesikhathi sakho.
But bro counsel is highlighting inconsistencies in the witness' story about the shooting in question. The judge cannot possibly say those inconsistencies don't help the court. If her story on the shooting doesn't add up, surely that helps the case. On top of that, this counsel isn't even done yet. But judge is out here saying "why don't you ask this" come on man. How does he know that he won't ask that?
@@sizwembatha2167 the judge is totally wrong, he was not suppose to have done that to the defense council who was slowly exposing zandile's inconsistencies and was busy on the floor questioning and exposing more of her!
But the defense lawyers task there, is to prove that, the guys that are behind bars didn't kill Senzo by exposing the credibility of witnesses who are claiming they did. But, since Senzo is killed, the Khumalo's or someone else did it. So they are there for their clients, its the police's task to find who did not the defence attorneys.
I might differ with the judge. There is nothing wrong in asking a witness to give a detailed version, especially when that version has inconsistencies. If she says one shot was fired in her presence, but her statement says two shots were fired in her presence, it makes us wonder whether is she able to recall what had happened that evening.
He is not saying they shouldn't ask but it doesn't help the defense in anyway, maybe a little bit with creditability but don't blame the judge when he finds them quilty
Exactly bro counsel is highlighting inconsistencies in the witness' story about the shooting in question. The judge cannot possibly say those inconsistencies don't help the court. If her story on the shooting doesn't add up, surely that helps the case. On top of that, this counsel isn't even done yet. But judge is out here saying "why don't you ask this" come on man. How does he know that he won't ask that?
@@sizwembatha2167 No he's not he's getting deeper in legal concept of intention related parts: intentionally doing something, doing something with a further intention, and bare intention-that is, intending to do something in the future without doing anything about it now. Hence he cite the case, in simple dumb English the judge is asking the legal counsel why don't you checkmate after such a good cross or there's a legal principle or followup question to checkmate the witness to say, "so and so i put it to you that you are lying my client wasn't there and that is why the defense is there to prove that. Don't be quick to tell such an old man whose being this before you were even born. He is loving the game he's wondering why they not going for the kill. In other words he is giving them game
@@Tee-e4i He is not telling them to checkmate. He's saying, the counsel highlighting inconsistencies in Zandis story about the shooting will not help the case, that's what he said. How so? If that won't help a case of a shooting then what will? If as counsel I'm tearing the witnesses story to shreds about the very topic in question then judge cannot say "hhayi, why don't you ask this". Like judge chill bro I'm not done. So this judge is effectively preempting what counsel might go on to say. Furthermore, a judge cannot and should not stop counsel from cross examining the way they see fit. He is presiding over the case, not there to dictate to counsel their line of questioning even though counsel is not done, he said he would continue on Monday. Yes if the defense was wasting time and waffling, or questioning unlawfully, then he should step in. Asking questions and highlighting inconsistencies in the witness' story is not wasting time or waffling. He should chill out and not dictate line of questioning to a counsel who may have been already planning to say "checkmate" as the judge wants but just later on. Whether he did this before I was born is completely irrelevant, even though you yourself are assuming I'm younger than him. He is wrong in this case.
@@suprememonokeng8011 So court is not interested in the possibility that Zandi lied about the shooting? If Zandi lied about key details about the shooting, this is not something court is interested in? Then I would argue that the court has their priorities flawed.
and he keeps on covering his mouth...poor image...lots of poeple has confidence in him but i dont...he seems to be biase after Tuesdays court appaeranc towards the end..
The judge is going to expose these advocates, arguing for the sake of arguing with no direction. I have a feeling some of them are going to drop out 😂😂
The Judge is helping the advocates, he should not tell them what they should put to the witness… it is like giving them training while the trial is in progress, it’s clear that there was no (proper) or trial advocacy training attended by the gentlemen there, im saying so with respect…
This judge is smart! I like how he exhibited to counsel @13:39 how a mere superficial contradiction cannot equate a material contradiction ... The lawyer is busy showing that Zandi said two shots were fired in her presence or not is actually not material so a court cannot solely rely on such petty info to make a ruling. it is common cause that it happened, three shots fired, one person died is common cause people
The judge (Mokgoatlheng) is basically asking them to state their main arguments or theories either as a defence or prosecuting state. State your argument so that we understand how the evidence being questioned links to or supports the claim each counsel is trying to argue for their respective clients.
But the judge is wrong to ask the defence to put it to the witness that there were no intruders in the house.The defense is there to prove that their clients are innocent and that they were not in that house,maybe there were intruders but it wasn't any of the 5 suspects
And the judge told them to their face that please do it like adv Teffo and tell Zandie " Popola maChest Pains " Khumalo that there were no intruders in the house .
@@Tee-e4iHe is interfering with the advocates. Totally wrong of him. Attorneys have a right to ask the witness to be in detail especially when there are inconsistencies and also the recollection of the events. Again to see the reliability of the witness
Two intruders socalled entered that house, but I see five accused here. What a case?This lady is so brave now no sign of any sickness now ohooo.!!!!!!!.The judge can see there is something wrong in the case.
Come on Satafrica. The Judge is now putting the Advocates through Law School again. Wise up please and cross examine with some wisdom. Questions which will expose the truth
Something is not making any sense here. If Senzo was in a fight with the suspect with the gun in his hands and Zandi hit him with Tumelo's crutch, why the gunman didn't shoot the one who's hitting him with an object but choose to shoot Senzo only?
I'm very happy for the mayewas They waited close to 10 years .they deserve justice .n the kumalos. N al involved must b brought to book .the previous judge wasted soooo much of tym .almost half year wasted .he is a waste of tym judge dnt let him run any other case
The work of the judge is to balance the scale.but on this one the judge is missing it the judge has already nullified the version of the witness. 2. The judge will soon be recused the way he is emotional and impatient. 3. He embarrassed the advocates 4. The big shots will soon take him off the case. 5. Natural wisdom is the utmost importance not only degree.the poor advocate jammed when asked simple questions. These guys unfortunately lack Natural wisdom and intelligence. This I the danger of cram pass.memorization without understanding now hulle trek swaar
The judge is brilliant. I am bored by the theatrics by the lawyers. I think Zandi is doing fine and is relaxed. The lawyers must stop trying to knit together probabilities but dispute the facts : accused were on the scene * identikits match the accused. * Senzo shot during the scuffle that ensued. * ** Simple denial of these facts not enough. These lawyers must put versions, and prove them e.g alibi of the accused. Differences in the identikit. Boring us with details of events in a chaotic scene 8yrs ago, involving people in panic, is taking the court nowhere. Well done Ratha.
I think this thing was planned to kill Senzo by the people on that house and im not gonna say his wife was not involve in that case she can be involve she can be framed by those call from those Nkabi The problem they acting like it was the robbery situation the are those who don't know nothing about that plan on that house or one of them don't know nothing about it That's why the killers they act like Senzo was not their target and they were told that Senzo is not armed by those who were planing to kill him so they know that their job is gonna be easy.
This judge is more of a lecturer than a servant of the court. Instead of playing to the gallery, which seems like his trade mark, he must adjourn and lecture to the lawyers to his satisfaction. He is more and more confusing the unsuspecting lawyers.
True hey but I think he is more concerned about the time that has been waisted on the case and he wants to get to the bottom of this case and clearly his wants counsels to cross examine with strong defence and to tell about complexion of accused with dreadlocks defense should say the accused in front of the court are not the suspects mam and you know the suspects with all those who were in the house there were no intruders
The judge is misleading the court he must just let the lawyers to do their job and not trying to act smarter than the lawyers couse doing so he is going to complete the case
This Ntshebe lawyer is so dumb 😢can’t even answer a simple question from the judge How come their English is not so fluid these Uniss advocates must make way for smart lawyers from UCT or somewhere else
This Judge is very brilliant. He is a no nonsense taking Judge. I like him a lot.
i love this judge..... these defence lawyers been asking questions that are irrelevant. the main point is that Senzo was shot so now they must prove that their clients never went there and never shot Senzo.....
I Love it when the judge refers to Zandi as "This witness " 😅😂 The Khumalo's have met their match, may Justice prevail in the name of the Meyiwa's 🙌
Zandi's attitude tells a story
I like this judge- he wants people to get straight to the point
Initially i thought the judge was crazy but he really is brilliant.. He wants to get into the crux of the matter
I like this judge , straight to the point .let's cut to the chase
I didn't know that our country has such a good Judge!
This case is going to be closed very soon and the right perpetrators are going to dance for their sweet music.
What goes around , comes around.
Konke kunesikhathi sakho.
"Public figure " Chomie 😂😂😂😂
@@veliswagalela2348😂😂😂😂😂😂
The judge is so balanced. No favors. He corrects both parties
No He is not balanced. He is a bit harsh towards the defense when they make mistake but let the state ride free on theirs.
But he is doing a great job though.
@@bongsha2379his harshness has re-direction tendencies. I love it for the state
The judge wants the defence lawyers to tell zandie in her face that the Khumalo’s killed Senzo
Yes jst wait for Mshololo on Monday ,brave woman ever
But bro counsel is highlighting inconsistencies in the witness' story about the shooting in question. The judge cannot possibly say those inconsistencies don't help the court. If her story on the shooting doesn't add up, surely that helps the case. On top of that, this counsel isn't even done yet. But judge is out here saying "why don't you ask this" come on man. How does he know that he won't ask that?
@@sizwembatha2167 the judge is totally wrong, he was not suppose to have done that to the defense council who was slowly exposing zandile's inconsistencies and was busy on the floor questioning and exposing more of her!
But the defense lawyers task there, is to prove that, the guys that are behind bars didn't kill Senzo by exposing the credibility of witnesses who are claiming they did. But, since Senzo is killed, the Khumalo's or someone else did it. So they are there for their clients, its the police's task to find who did not the defence attorneys.
The judge is very brilliant 🙌
But why is the Judge asking the lawyers such questions as if they primary school learners😮Infront of the witness and others in court? Ai.
I might differ with the judge. There is nothing wrong in asking a witness to give a detailed version, especially when that version has inconsistencies. If she says one shot was fired in her presence, but her statement says two shots were fired in her presence, it makes us wonder whether is she able to recall what had happened that evening.
He is not saying they shouldn't ask but it doesn't help the defense in anyway, maybe a little bit with creditability but don't blame the judge when he finds them quilty
Exactly bro counsel is highlighting inconsistencies in the witness' story about the shooting in question. The judge cannot possibly say those inconsistencies don't help the court. If her story on the shooting doesn't add up, surely that helps the case. On top of that, this counsel isn't even done yet. But judge is out here saying "why don't you ask this" come on man. How does he know that he won't ask that?
@@sizwembatha2167 No he's not he's getting deeper in legal concept of intention related parts: intentionally doing something, doing something with a further intention, and bare intention-that is, intending to do something in the future without doing anything about it now. Hence he cite the case, in simple dumb English the judge is asking the legal counsel why don't you checkmate after such a good cross or there's a legal principle or followup question to checkmate the witness to say, "so and so i put it to you that you are lying my client wasn't there and that is why the defense is there to prove that. Don't be quick to tell such an old man whose being this before you were even born. He is loving the game he's wondering why they not going for the kill. In other words he is giving them game
@@Tee-e4i He is not telling them to checkmate. He's saying, the counsel highlighting inconsistencies in Zandis story about the shooting will not help the case, that's what he said. How so? If that won't help a case of a shooting then what will? If as counsel I'm tearing the witnesses story to shreds about the very topic in question then judge cannot say "hhayi, why don't you ask this". Like judge chill bro I'm not done.
So this judge is effectively preempting what counsel might go on to say. Furthermore, a judge cannot and should not stop counsel from cross examining the way they see fit.
He is presiding over the case, not there to dictate to counsel their line of questioning even though counsel is not done, he said he would continue on Monday.
Yes if the defense was wasting time and waffling, or questioning unlawfully, then he should step in. Asking questions and highlighting inconsistencies in the witness' story is not wasting time or waffling. He should chill out and not dictate line of questioning to a counsel who may have been already planning to say "checkmate" as the judge wants but just later on.
Whether he did this before I was born is completely irrelevant, even though you yourself are assuming I'm younger than him. He is wrong in this case.
@@suprememonokeng8011 So court is not interested in the possibility that Zandi lied about the shooting? If Zandi lied about key details about the shooting, this is not something court is interested in? Then I would argue that the court has their priorities flawed.
I feel sorry for the cops who lost their lives during the previous investigation. It was due to the incompetence of the first Judge
Tefo was the one telling the truth no intruders
Agreed Teffo was actually very clear when he closed his mouth.
Teffo can match now...
The Advocate that is folding his arms. Can somebody tell him that’s a terrible gesture?!
I'm so irritated. Makes him look arrogant
I realised that he has a growth on one of his fingers on the right hand.
and he keeps on covering his mouth...poor image...lots of poeple has confidence in him but i dont...he seems to be biase after Tuesdays court appaeranc towards the end..
And he keeps on looking at the judge as if to seek validation. Mara
The best Judge we have in this world not Africa but world ! He doesn't waste time
What is this case all about ? Did i hear u well ntate? Well i still respect u as my father Mr judge please dont interrupt the cross examination
Good education from the Judge
If this is the caliber of advocates in SA then this is Kak .
I wish my lot you can give the chances are they can do
Pls god let Meyiwa's family get justice.
Lezi gebengu ezimbili zaba nomusa bo, zazibancenga bo. Ezimbili, adoda awu3, Senzo,Tumelo noLongwe +Kelly ,Zandi nonina wabo zona zombili. Isgebengu esisodwa siphethe isibhamu, insumansumane le.
What a brilliant judge
Zandi uyaxoka yho hay
The judge is going to expose these advocates, arguing for the sake of arguing with no direction. I have a feeling some of them are going to drop out 😂😂
Educate them
Please God protect the judge because he will die aswell 😢,we want to know who killed senzo
Judge I love you ❤😂😂😂
Where is Fotsek,cell phones and money😂😂😂😂😂
I was asking myself the same question.
Ngamkhumbula u Teffo bakithi.
Mnisi and his colleagues ba weak man aiii especially the1 before Mshololo 😢😢
Cha Akekho owangena wadubula uSenzo seseneleke thina ukuthi indaba inkulu ngaphakathi mtsheleni webaMeli nabaShushisi Bo!
People who where in the house are all cruel shm,
Osathane
The Judge is helping the advocates, he should not tell them what they should put to the witness… it is like giving them training while the trial is in progress, it’s clear that there was no (proper) or trial advocacy training attended by the gentlemen there, im saying so with respect…
Judge is right coz we need the truth and he s just advising them nothing wrong
Regarding defends you are right they have fear and wasting our time
@@mavdorcus1675 Okay 👍
True ❤
Advocates are lazy to think
The judge is out of order 😂
This judge is smart! I like how he exhibited to counsel @13:39 how a mere superficial contradiction cannot equate a material contradiction ... The lawyer is busy showing that Zandi said two shots were fired in her presence or not is actually not material so a court cannot solely rely on such petty info to make a ruling. it is common cause that it happened, three shots fired, one person died is common cause people
So judge wants someone like teffo..tell it like it is
This judge is taking these poor Advocates to school. 😅😅
The judge was indirectly telling Zandi that there were no intruders in the house mam.
THIS JUDGE IS REALLY HAD RECEIVED BROWN ENVELOPE.
We want the camera to focuson her let us see her face shes knows who was behind the trigger
Akuboshe ngisho u mah wabo ugogo onezimfihlo kazi bazowu thathaphi u cream wokushintsha isikhumba ejele😊
I love this Judge😂😂😂
All these questions are asked to prove that the accused were not there isn't..... Why is the judge being impatient?
The judge (Mokgoatlheng) is basically asking them to state their main arguments or theories either as a defence or prosecuting state. State your argument so that we understand how the evidence being questioned links to or supports the claim each counsel is trying to argue for their respective clients.
There was no intruders @ al
Zandile khumalo khuluma iqiniso hhayi ukuthi ulokhu usho amanga
I like de way he look at Zandile as if he want to say u ah a BIG LIAR 🤓🙌🙌
That's true
Judge can see there were no intruders
👌
Exactly
But I said it before about these news bunch of defence that they are amartures, except for Mshololo.
They are being schooled by Judge.
But the judge is wrong to ask the defence to put it to the witness that there were no intruders in the house.The defense is there to prove that their clients are innocent and that they were not in that house,maybe there were intruders but it wasn't any of the 5 suspects
Judge you're so impatient 😅😅
This case it's boring Maan
It's clear there was no intruder
This judge is going to help these innocent guys bco he has seen it i have liked him
And the judge told them to their face that please do it like adv Teffo and tell Zandie " Popola maChest Pains " Khumalo that there were no intruders in the house .
The judge is starting to be bias to Zandile by interrupting the defense council
To gain what in doing so ?
@@Tee-e4iHe is interfering with the advocates. Totally wrong of him. Attorneys have a right to ask the witness to be in detail especially when there are inconsistencies and also the recollection of the events. Again to see the reliability of the witness
Eish!
The judge is being tricky. Maybe people entered but it wasn't the 5
Hmmm..... Things are getting hot
My problem is Baloyi , should suspend just uncle wakhe....
Please
I just want to çheck here,when the shòts weŕe fired,tumelo and Zandi ran for cover,the question is where did mama kaKelly run to..
Lowoguluva sathane wenja, akaze ngibone isihluku esinjena, lapho uzele naye unezingane ngelnye ilanga uzoyizwa lento eyazwiwa ubaba kaSenzo waze wafa ekhala😢😢😢kuyeza
Two intruders socalled entered that house, but I see five accused here. What a case?This lady is so brave now no sign of any sickness now ohooo.!!!!!!!.The judge can see there is something wrong in the case.
Judge 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Come on Satafrica. The Judge is now putting the Advocates through Law School again. Wise up please and cross examine with some wisdom. Questions which will expose the truth
Yooo its getting tougher
U beautiful
The judge went crazy. He is very wrong. The advocates/attorneys were proving reliabilities of Zandi
Wayesephume nini ekupopoleni esebathroom khona lapho seshaye umsolwa ngamcrschiess lies
Something is not making any sense here. If Senzo was in a fight with the suspect with the gun in his hands and Zandi hit him with Tumelo's crutch, why the gunman didn't shoot the one who's hitting him with an object but choose to shoot Senzo only?
Pls defences heed to the judges tip,zandile knows who shot senzo but if you do not dig deep we will never know the true version.
We pray that Senzo's Mother will get strength during this difficult time and the justice system of this country is a big joke
Umbono wami ngedwa loh.yini aba Mmeli babasolwa bangaveli bwsheshise beze ne evidance ukuthi ababamele babekuphi ngosuku okwabulawa ngalo uSenzo.akungenanga muntu
kushiwo lokhu kushiwo lokhu.uJaji ujahe kabi ukuthi iphele lento.uAdvocate Teffo wathi uKelly owadubula uSenzo nge phutha ikhona ieye witness.Jikijiki uLongwe owadubula uSenzo exabana no Zandi.yini kungasheshiswa nje basitshele bona ukuthi akungenanga muntu esibamele babekuphi ngalolusuku finish and klaar
Oh I think
What goes around comes around, the previous court proceedings bullied Tefo, now let the Khumalos be bullied
This woman is a suspect not a witness. Her attitude says it all.
True
True
Lalelaaaaaa
I'm very happy for the mayewas
They waited close to 10 years .they deserve justice .n the kumalos. N al involved must b brought to book .the previous judge wasted soooo much of tym .almost half year wasted .he is a waste of tym judge dnt let him run any other case
Mnisi was behaving like a dog in love
I have no more respect for him. Fokoff.
Kwasha emthini omanzi😳
Eish unamanga lomtwana
They must watch American movies on court cases.
They must be arrogant to the witnesses and crush them.
The work of the judge is to balance the scale.but on this one the judge is missing it the judge has already nullified the version of the witness.
2. The judge will soon be recused the way he is emotional and impatient.
3. He embarrassed the advocates
4. The big shots will soon take him off the case.
5. Natural wisdom is the utmost importance not only degree.the poor advocate jammed when asked simple questions. These guys unfortunately lack Natural wisdom and intelligence. This I the danger of cram pass.memorization without understanding now hulle trek swaar
This case is boring xeim 😮
Phambili ngeJaji lethu Kade eliqedile lelicala
Nyaaaaaa
Counsels are a fuss incl Judge ALL are in a MOOT COURT.THIS is a stage play
🎉🎉😊
The judge is brilliant. I am bored by the theatrics by the lawyers. I think Zandi is doing fine and is relaxed. The lawyers must stop trying to knit together probabilities but dispute the facts : accused were on the scene * identikits match the accused. * Senzo shot during the scuffle that ensued. * ** Simple denial of these facts not enough. These lawyers must put versions, and prove them e.g alibi of the accused. Differences in the identikit.
Boring us with details of events in a chaotic scene 8yrs ago, involving people in panic, is taking the court nowhere.
Well done Ratha.
I somehow trust the judge .He seems to know exactly his job.Let us wait and see how far this second try of judging this case.mmmmm ( Funny case)
I think this thing was planned to kill Senzo by the people on that house and im not gonna say his wife was not involve in that case she can be involve she can be framed by those call from those Nkabi The problem they acting like it was the robbery situation the are those who don't know nothing about that plan on that house or one of them don't know nothing about it That's why the killers they act like Senzo was not their target and they were told that Senzo is not armed by those who were planing to kill him so they know that their job is gonna be easy.
AWU KAHLENI MINA BENGIBGAZI UKUTHI SINE JUDGE LANGAMPELA E SOUTH AFRICA ENGATHI UMNDENI WAKWA MEYIWA UZOBUTHOLA UBULUNGISWA
Vukile uSenzo ebuthongweni, umvusile uyise bayixoxa indaba, ziyakhalaaa ke manje
I seem to have a problem with the judge
Where is teffo😔
Tefo Where are you
He is rejoicing dear
This defence is weak 😢
Steve khompela must focus on coaching please 😢
😂😂😂😂😂
I can't get sound to all your videos what's going on
I have the same problem with thier volume to all their videos
This judge is more of a lecturer than a servant of the court. Instead of playing to the gallery, which seems like his trade mark, he must adjourn and lecture to the lawyers to his satisfaction. He is more and more confusing the unsuspecting lawyers.
True hey but I think he is more concerned about the time that has been waisted on the case and he wants to get to the bottom of this case and clearly his wants counsels to cross examine with strong defence and to tell about complexion of accused with dreadlocks defense should say the accused in front of the court are not the suspects mam and you know the suspects with all those who were in the house there were no intruders
Stop protecting detective please 😢
The judge is misleading the court he must just let the lawyers to do their job and not trying to act smarter than the lawyers couse doing so he is going to complete the case
Why wasting time he discovered this boys are going round and round.
Yuuu💔💔 10:25
The shots were louder or milder ai the judge 😅😅😅😅😅😅😂😂judge knows whose the liar here
This Ntshebe lawyer is so dumb 😢can’t even answer a simple question from the judge
How come their English is not so fluid these Uniss advocates must make way for smart lawyers from UCT or somewhere else
They need Unizulu or Ongoye lawyers 🤞🤞
This judge is distracting the lawyers.
Azikhale