The streetpreacher prepared to stand there on that day, he is where he wants to be you are most likely in a transitional state, you are going somewhere, you have a time restraint, are less prepared. nobody is gonna win the game, but you'll have to forfeit and move away from the game at some time.
My favorite tactic is to tell them I'm a nihilist. All their arguments seem to fizzle out after the second or third "Doesn't matter." or "I don't care."
The atheist doesn’t necessarily duck; they’re just content to watch the proverbial fur fly and laugh at the the calamity howler and the two Mormons. That’s entertainment!
i see it as pretty much the same as people arguing if mcu thor or hulk is more powerful. only nerds know they are talking about fiction. these people are actually full on serious. and im not sure if that is hillarious, or sad. maybe a bit of both.
"Believe in Jesus to be saved (from what!?)" is the dumbest, most vague thing I've ever heard. Do what is right. Be kind. Treat others as you would like to be treated. There. Simple. No Jesus needed. I f*cking hate religion. I was raised in it. It makes people insane. It makes them abdicate all logic.
Yea! In those days there shalt be ... like... dudes who don't buy it. And verily I say unto thee, _"Jesus Garcia doth now stand in the flesh within my own dwelling. For he is my neighbor. I went to school with his brother, Hector"_ And the masses shall be greatly pleased, for none of them learned any Spanish and they want to verify that thing they heard about Quesadilla being a concatenation of _Que_ for "what" and _Sadilla_ for _"the fuck is that"_
@@LisaTheRainbowGiraffewow your name is great, and it made me realize something I had never considered before... So the fact that you were promoting "your own" religion made you seem kinda weird.. But that's exactly what jebus does too.. Thanks for showing me reason #435,398 why god is terrible
They are all indeed false, nothing has been demonstrated by these naively credulous religious fools. All these religions, bs books, and unsupported claims are delusion.
What's so funny about this is these are just two random mormons and a seminary trained preacher. In a Pew Research study, it turned out the only group that consistently answers questions about the bible better than atheists are Mormons. Any member of beardy dude's congregation would get metaphorically curbstomped in a scripture debate with these two randos. I find that amusing. Edit: spelling
Why? It is not like christians actually cared what the bible says. It is not like Christianity is acutally founded on the bible. The bible was was just a tool to excuse the dogma you were trying to enforce.
That's because for most other sects of Christianity, you aren't supposed to read the bible, you're supposed to listen to the cherry picked parts chosen by preachers and what they say the interpretation of those parts is. It's because a lot of the time actually reading the bible can turn people away from their faith.
@@heinshaaine8153 Specifically because Christians appeal to the Bible and specifically because they abhor Mormons. It amuses me that Mormons would destroy them in a bible throw down.
Except they wouldn’t agree with you that their beliefs are fictional. And since you haven’t proven that either of their beliefs are fictional, what is your point?
@@andresvillagra6746 Where is your proof that shows for a fact that the burden of proof is on them? Because you say so just like you say that God is fictional for a fact because you said so instead of proving that is the case? The burden of proof is not on the person who is claiming belief BECAUSE it’s understood that those claims are their beliefs not facts. It’s ridiculous to figure a person who is claiming their beliefs are not their beliefs but are instead facts when that is not what is claimed to begin with. Now the one who is claiming that God is fictional, and doesn’t say that it’s their belief that God is fictional, then one can assume that one is claiming for a fact that God is fictional. Now there is where one does has the burden of proof BECAUSE WHAT MAKES A FACT A FACT IS EVIDENCE.
@@kevinx7015 because you're making the claim, that a god exists, burden is on you because that's how logic works. Without you presenting evidence, we just say "your idea is not convincing." Also, it's not really batman vs iron man, because both of these fictional characters are in the same expanded universe. It's like arguing which Batman is more real, Micheal Keaton or Adam west.
The Bible gives two completely mutually exclusive stories about Jesus' birth that didn't even take place in the same year and he was trying to use that book as proof that another Jesus fandom is wrong.
Plus it’s written by four unknown men decades to a century after the supposed fact. The first book, named Mark, is written by someone unfamiliar with the region and the traditions, the next two copy and embellish, and the third one completely went JC Superstar.
Additionally, that writer mentioned people who either had died or weren’t yet at the supposed time of the Nativity, to say nothing getting the corresponding events he mentioned completely wrong.
This is like two children on the school-playground debating who'se dad can beat up the other one's dad and making up magic superpowers for them along the way, with the only difference being that their dads actually exist.
@@mwperk02 My mom just got her first appointment for knee surgery. She can probably kick their asses too. (I said that as a joke, but then I remembered she was trained to do takedowns so she really could)
Every theist says "Your god is crazy and obviously fake, but my god is totally real and the one true god!" 🤦♂️ They do it without any self awareness at all! What is more likely, there is only one true god, or there are none? 🤷♂️
Bro, this is what we need. Theists of the same religion disproving each other. You shouldn't worry about disproving both of them for now, let's let them do our job for us. Please show more of such videos.
And you just know that both of them walked away from that thinking they planted a seed of doubt into the nonbeliever. Meanwhile I’m over here thinking, “those poor lost souls”.
Y favorite part was where he said god created Satan, his own enemy and won’t kill him, despite him being able to do anything. Theism is the dumbest belief a human can have.
Not necessarily all theism, but the omni-god being regularly thwarted by the much weaker evil god is absurd. In a dualism where both sides are equally powerful, that kind of conflict is coherent. Mostly unevidenced, but not a ridiculous concept.
@@Isaac-hm6ih That is a big part of why i find it unbelievable. People are apparently convinced that god is the most powerful thing in existence & will ultimately take them to heaven yet also need to constantly do stuff to help him win...🤔
It's more like this . We were all angels in heaven. And we all say we are good and we believe in God . Then we turn and see God and so yes we believed because we could see him and we were good because he was watching and he was all knowing. But we then agreed we would have a veil put over our memories and that we would go down and get a body like God has and be tested . So now we can't just look and see God so have to use faith . And now that we're not a spirit our bodies give us more of the 7 deadly sins we can experience. Now we're not sure if a all knowing God is watching us . Now we might not be as good as we thought . .... .............................so a man came home and his dinner was not ready so he grabbed his bat and told his wife if my dinner is not ready in 30 minutes you will get the bat . His wife got the food ready in 25 minutes and they set down to eat . The man said to his wife arnt you glad I saved you from the bat ? .... now as an unbeliever you see it as story 2 but you agreed to story one you just don't remember because of the veil . Either way we bother get to prove if we're really good or bad or somewhere between
"Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong." - Christopher Hitchens
@@bladerunner3314 Star wars exsists yes, but it's a work of fiction so no one person's opinion of what's cannon is just as valid as the the next. But care parts can have brands that are objectively better than anothers even if a person disagrees.
The thing is: all language is interpretation, all the time. There can't be a case where no interpretation is needed because turning words into thoughts is, itself, the primary act of interpretation.
If my interpretation of your comment is correct, you make a good point. I'd argue ALL interaction with the world is an act of interpretation - what you see, hear, taste, touch, smell is all interpreted in your brain. First comes what you experience, then what you understand, then what you can communicate, and finally how what you are communicating is perceived by another person. With so many steps of interpretation just in speaking to another person, it's small wonder that the primary cause of human conflict is misunderstandings.
Of course, the calamity howler probably thinks that the “King James Version” is the original Bible, that each book was written in the king’s English of A.D. 1603-11, and not in the Hebrew, Aramaic and Koíne Greek of circa 1500 B.C.-A.D. 100 (according to the dates Christians say are correct). He won’t even consider the fact that the edition of that same version he himself is using is actually from A.D. 1750 to reflect changes in the English language in only 139 years. Consequently, when he claims that the Bible is not open to interpretation he really means to say that only the “King James Version” is not open to interpretation.
@@TheSkepTick No can do, I’m afraid. I’m permanently banned from Twitter for suggesting it would be funny if Matt Hancock choked on a kangaroo bollock when he was on I’m A Celebrity
I want to insert myself into this "debate" and just toss a casual "you're both wrong" and see what happens. Would they band together to tell me off or would I just be adding fuel to the dumpster fire?
If all you said was "you're both wrong" they'd band against you. You'd have to mention a belief or "belief" that counters or undermines both of their differing beliefs on a point. That way when one would defend the other, the other wouldn't be happy with the defense and view it as a passive aggressive attack.
What truly stuns me is the way the rational-sounding theists can say things like "Jeebus _claimed_ he was the son of gawd," and then just carry on as if that translates into a fact. Robert Downey Jr. said "I am Iron Man." And unlike any biblical claims, I can _prove_ he said it, but that doesn't make him a superhero.
@ArKritz84 within the context of the story Tony Stark is Iron Man, and RDJ isn't shown to exist. But that's not the point. Within the context if the gospels, Jeebus claims to be the son of gawd and/or also gawd. Even granting that he was as real as RDJ (Tony Stark is fiction), and said the words, as RDJ said his line, it doesn't make it a fact that he was gawd, just as RDJ is not, in point of fact, Iron Man.
18:41 That. Right there. That is the deafening sound of silence as one guy wrestles with the option of conceding a point and realising that conceding anything in this situation means everything he believed in is wrong. That’s why this stuff is so redundant. If a person’s worldview or faith can be quickly disputed to the point of abandoning it then it can’t have been true in the first place.
Christian has a black dog. Other guys have a white dog and a gray dog and a brown dog. Christian goes "Nope! Those aren't dogs because they're not black."
I am totally gobsmacked at the quantity of shameless hubris in this game of “My Doctrine Is Better Than Your Doctrine”. No humility whatsoever and no acknowledgement that either party’s beliefs could be wrong. That’s a strong indicator that both ARE (wrong). Of course with all the posturing there is no demonstration that A god actually exists, let alone the one these people claim to believe in, that he actually had a son, that that son was divine, that he died for anyone’s sins, that he was resurrected, etc. Utter bollocks, all of it.
The trouble with street preachers is that they either shout, or have loudspeakers. It becomes difficult to hear what they say that way and you don't want to go near them. It hurts the ears.
I heard lots of things that were true in that video: The Mormon said the Street Preachers god is false. The Street Preacher said the Mormon's god is false. and I've seen no evidence that both those sentences are true.
My favorite part is near the end where he's pointing out contradictions from the book of Mormon but doesn't have the self awareness, nor do these kids, to realize all the scriptures are riddled with contradictions.
So how do you figure a belief is a lie if you haven’t proven that the belief is a lie? How is the commentator sure that none of the Jesus’s are the right Jesus, just because there are different Jesus’s people believe in? That like saying that just because there are 120 different apples none of them have the right sweetness just because there are 120 different apples. That way of thinking just doesn’t make any sense? Also why would the point that gaining the ultimate prize needs to be earned if one freely chose to get it as opposed to you are going to get the prize whether you like it or not, means that Jesus is being a jerk? How does that make any sense? Why does the commentator assuming that either position regarding how evil came to being is not true PROVES that neither position is false? Why does the mere point that just because the commentator prefers to have a Bible that requires no interpretation needed proves there cannot be a God who has provided a way that one can personally test to see which belief is correct by asking that God in faith if one, are you there?, second, if you get the assurance, there is a God, ask if Jesus Christ is divine?, and third, if you get that assurance ask if a certain religion is the right religion to be a part of. If one wonders which interpretation is right why not try to ask the source in faith and see what happens? It doesn’t hurt to try it out, especially when there is no proof presented so far that either proves or disproves any of the Gods presented, so why not try that out and see what happens?
Also, how does the comment or saying Joseph Smith was a convicted con man proves Joseph Smith was a convicted con man? There is record of him being found guilty of not being able to find treasure on someone’s property in which he was paid to try and find, but there was not even any record of what the sentence was. So how is that a conviction for being a con man?
@@kevinx7015 every single iteration of the Jesus character has exactly zero evidence backing it up. I wont say its a "lie" per se but its effectively wrong until it can be proven right as Christopher Hitchens famously said "that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence" Joeseph Smith provided no evidence he wasnt doing anything other than talking out of his ass when he invented mormonism so him being wrong is the default state and theres reasonable suspicion that he was a fraud.
@@kevinx7015 taking money for a service you knowingly can't provide is fraud. He was convicted of that. So convicted fraudster. Did you think other people couldn't look that up?
This reminds me of when I was tabling an event with a coworker/friend when a seminary student started asking her Ray Comfort questions - she's a Christian. He was a Christian. They were slightly different flavors, but me as an atheist getting impatient because he was monopolizing her time when she was trying to interact with the kids coming to the table was just like "OH MY GOODNESS, YOU LITERALLY ARE BOTH CHRISTIANS, CAN WE MOVE ON?" Absolute lunacy.
Wow. The street preacher actually said that primitive tribes who have never heard of his God are condemned because they can't figure out the Jesus story for themselves.
It cracks tf out of me you used SP pics in this vid. Legitimately this video made me feel like I was watching two kids in the schoolyard yelling at each other saying my dad will beat up your dad
That was like listening to a group of people debate which was better, the early loonier Daffy Duck or the later greedier Daffy, except much less entertaining. It was the my dad can beat up your dad debate with adults who are oblivious to their silliness. I always have a great laugh when you throw Sir Sic in your videos.
This is great! I hope they don't stop rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, and keep examining their own and other people's beliefs. At the end of the day, more and more people just. Don't. CARE. About the variety of goat-herder's guides to the galaxy.
I'm reminded of this: Reverend Lovejoy: Homer, I'd like you to remember Matthew 7:26. "The foolish man who built his house upon the sand." Homer: And you remember...Matthew... 21:17. Reverend Lovejoy: "And he left them and went out of the city, into Bethany, and he lodged there?" Homer: Yeah. Think about it.
4:23 They don't hear the violence in that? That guy, with a straight face, explained how people in Africa are "condemned" simply for having different beliefs. How does the awareness just not settle on the brain?
This is funny. Especially the end was like all the scenes from The Big Bang Theory where they argue about comic book super heroes: "A: You know in the issue 53 it's said that he is the only one. B: Yes, but that was before the multiverse was established!..." And so on. It truly shows the incoherence in these texts. It looks like those were human written
Someone should arrange that and get the radio and television networks to broadcast it. Hey, if CNN can sacrifice its claim to being a news organization on the altar to the Marquis de Mar-a-Lago for him to lie for seventy minutes, certainly CBS, NBC and ABC can broadcast this program in the public interest.
- Jesus being the son of god born of a human, makes Jesus a demi-god. So already we have two gods. Secondly, who turned the other staffs into snakes when Moses was challenging Pharoah's gods? Other gods! Christianity is a polytheistic religion - Does God contradict himself? YES! THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE!
of course it's polytheistic. What's the very first commandment? You shall have no other Gods before me. Why would this be there if there was only the one God?
Almost right at the beginning the polytheism becomes obvious: Genesis 1:26-27. Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness. Remember, there was no royal “we” until just a few centuries ago.
@@kellydalstok8900 hm, i don't know. You gotta be careful with semantics arguments against a text that has been so often and differently translated. No idea what the original text actually said on that matter.
If Jesus said there was no other gods before me, why does god say in Genesis "we will create man in our image", who is we and our? There’s multiple examples of this throughout the Bible but it’s always skimmed over by preachers and those that witness to others.
@@LisaTheRainbowGiraffe difficult to tell them apart, especially when "Christianity" is one of the newest religious beliefs, and 100% copied stories from many other faiths... it honestly looks more like a knock-off religion than anything factual. When did it originate, like 500ce, when like Egyptian was 4,000 BCE? Yeah... kinda a big difference there, and don't they state that 'the older documents are more factual'? so.. .any Egyptian Religious text would be more factual than Christian, right? But You gotta cherry pick in this faith war so you don't get your fee-fee's hurt.
For those interested in the scholarship: According to the general consensus of scholarship *(even critical Christian scholars),* YHWH was originally incorporated into the Canaanite pantheon as a son of the Canaanite high god El before inheriting the top spot in the pantheon and El's wife Athirat (Asherah) before religious reforms. If you want to see if El is fictional, just read his mythology in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts. His pantheon in Ugarit is called the *Elohim,* literally the plural of El. "When El was young, he came across two beautiful Goddesses washing their clothes in the Sea. They were Athirat (Asherah) and the Goddess Rahmaya, and, after buttering them up by cooking a meal for them, he asked them to choose between being his daughters or wives. They choose the latter and became the mothers of the Gods Shachar "Dawn" and Shalim "Dusk"." *"First, a god named El predates the arrival of the Israelites into Syria-Palestine.* Biblical usage shows El was not just a generic noun, but often a proper name for Israel’s God (e.g., Gen 33:20: “El, the God of Israel”)." "I should add here that it is very clear from the grammar that the noun nachalah in v. 9 should be translated “inheritance.” *Yahweh receives Israel as his “inheritance” (nachalah), just as the other sons of El received their nations as their inheritance (nachal, v. 8).* With this verb, especially in the Hiphil, the object is always what is being given as an inheritance. Thus, Israel is given to Yahweh as his inheritance. ((Here I’m indebted to Dan McClellan.)) It would make no sense for Elyon to give himself an inheritance. Moreover, as I’ve argued elsewhere, it is not just the Gentile nations that are divided up according to the number of the sons of El. It is all of humankind, i.e., “the sons of Adam.” This clearly includes Israel. And the sons of Adam are not divided up according to the number of the sons of El, plus one (i.e., plus Elyon). They are divided up, according to the text, solely according to the number of the sons of El. *Thus, that Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance makes Yahweh one of the sons of El mentioned in v. 8. Any other construal of the text would constitute its rewriting."* *"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.* (Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian) *"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"* (A second response to Michael Heiser) *"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."* *"The Table of Nations: The Geography of the World in Genesis 10 - TheTorah.com"* (Excluding the short narrative on Nimrod (vv. 8-12), which appears to be a later addition, Genesis 10 contains *70* names of nations or cities, a number that was symbolic of totality. Similarly, the descendants of Jacob were *70* in number (Gen 46:37; Exod 1:5), *as were the sons of the supreme Canaanite god El, with whom YHWH became equated.)* *"Mark Smith: Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh’s Ascendency - Lehi's Library"* (Mark Smith is a Catholic) *"God, Gods, and Sons (and Daughters) of God in the Hebrew Bible. Part III | theyellowdart"* *"02 | December | 2009 | Daniel O. McClellan - Psalm 82"* (Daniel McClellan is a Mormon) *"Elohim | Daniel O. McClellan"* (Refer to the article "Angels and Demons (and Michael Heiser)") *"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."* (Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh) *"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."* *"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."* *"Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart"* *"The Gates of Ishtar - El, was the original god of the bible."* *"The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri"* (It appears in addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh it also appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort) *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia"* (Refer to the section "Relationship to Biblical Religion") *"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"* (For a good summary of all of the above articles) Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 27:40 minutes onwards. Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on. Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40. Watch *"Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)"* (By a former theist) Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.
Why does the Abrahamic god Yahweh remain silent while preachers argue over the details of his existence? It would be nothing for the Abrahamic god of Moses to speak inside the heads of all his creations any time he felt like it.
The thing to think about when talking with street preachers, or in fact any preacher: they do not really want you to worship their god or any god. They want you to worship them, the one preaching. Religion is not and never has been about god or morality. Religion is all about money and power. Your money to them so that they can have power over you.
I love thus stuff. I feel like I am watching Star Trak fans debating which is the best Captain of the Enterprise. A holy trinity of Kirk, Picard and Pike.
@Dayna-sp8ff Excellent call. Classic. I was not aware that Janeway captained the Enterprise though. I apologise without reservation, because I don't care.
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The best way to debate street preachers is don't. Just ignore them, and save your brain cells.
Or get another crazy and let them bole it out. Tell them they will listen to the winner ;)
The streetpreacher prepared to stand there on that day, he is where he wants to be
you are most likely in a transitional state, you are going somewhere, you have a time restraint, are less prepared.
nobody is gonna win the game, but you'll have to forfeit and move away from the game at some time.
Especially reformed presuppers. They are the most insufferable folk
I just flip them off and say "Hail Hella!"
My favorite tactic is to tell them I'm a nihilist.
All their arguments seem to fizzle out after the second or third "Doesn't matter." or "I don't care."
Two Mormons and street preacher walk into a bar; the atheist ducks.
And the devotee of Hella rips the bar out of its mounts and proceeds to beat the two mormons and the street preacher over the head with it.
@@Mark_Agamotto1313_Smith geez😂😅
The atheist doesn’t necessarily duck; they’re just content to watch the proverbial fur fly and laugh at the the calamity howler and the two Mormons. That’s entertainment!
I can see Mormons and street preachers losing their heads about this - because of that bar. Just saying 😅
Weak atheist then...
How can grown adults not be embarrassed by arguing whose imaginary friend is best?
That’s all that’s happening here!
Theyre not adults, they're toddlers
i see it as pretty much the same as people arguing if mcu thor or hulk is more powerful. only nerds know they are talking about fiction. these people are actually full on serious. and im not sure if that is hillarious, or sad. maybe a bit of both.
@@theflyingdutchguy9870 nah, they both are serious, except the Hulk Vs Thor is infinitely more important than their imaginary friends
@@mr.commonsense eeu, but they are allowed to vote, though
"You have to believe in Jesus and you will be saved and go to Heaven." "I believe in Jesus" "NOT LIKE THAT!"
Wrong JESUS!!!
"Believe in Jesus to be saved (from what!?)" is the dumbest, most vague thing I've ever heard.
Do what is right. Be kind. Treat others as you would like to be treated. There. Simple. No Jesus needed. I f*cking hate religion. I was raised in it. It makes people insane. It makes them abdicate all logic.
Yea! In those days there shalt be ... like... dudes who don't buy it. And verily I say unto thee, _"Jesus Garcia doth now stand in the flesh within my own dwelling. For he is my neighbor. I went to school with his brother, Hector"_ And the masses shall be greatly pleased, for none of them learned any Spanish and they want to verify that thing they heard about Quesadilla being a concatenation of _Que_ for "what" and _Sadilla_ for _"the fuck is that"_
@@BaronVonQuiply Brilliant
These kinds of debates in a nutshell:
"No my god is real, yours being real would be ridiculous!"
"But my book says so"
The book of Lisa The Rainbow Giraffe is the true source of knowledge and morality. Just be a good person. Don't be a jerk and help others if you can.
@@LisaTheRainbowGiraffewow your name is great, and it made me realize something I had never considered before... So the fact that you were promoting "your own" religion made you seem kinda weird.. But that's exactly what jebus does too..
Thanks for showing me reason #435,398 why god is terrible
That's literally all that is
@@LisaTheRainbowGiraffeOMG, it's the one true powerful being, the great goddess
@@kingbidenmypres Not really. Because this Giraffe-God is actually here. We can ask her what she things of stuff.
Let me demonstrate:
Not all religions can be true but they can all be false.
What about Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe?
@@PabloSanchez-qu6ib Watch out, Lisa will someday put a leaf on you.
@@rembrandt972ify It's autumn around here, so that wouldn't be surprising.
They are all indeed false, nothing has been demonstrated by these naively credulous religious fools. All these religions, bs books, and unsupported claims are delusion.
@@PabloSanchez-qu6ib He said they all CAN be false, not the all ARE false.
What's so funny about this is these are just two random mormons and a seminary trained preacher.
In a Pew Research study, it turned out the only group that consistently answers questions about the bible better than atheists are Mormons.
Any member of beardy dude's congregation would get metaphorically curbstomped in a scripture debate with these two randos.
I find that amusing.
Edit: spelling
Why? It is not like christians actually cared what the bible says. It is not like Christianity is acutally founded on the bible. The bible was was just a tool to excuse the dogma you were trying to enforce.
That's because for most other sects of Christianity, you aren't supposed to read the bible, you're supposed to listen to the cherry picked parts chosen by preachers and what they say the interpretation of those parts is. It's because a lot of the time actually reading the bible can turn people away from their faith.
@@heinshaaine8153 Specifically because Christians appeal to the Bible and specifically because they abhor Mormons. It amuses me that Mormons would destroy them in a bible throw down.
@@toast99bubbles Reading the bible is the number one reason people give for deconverting.
Every street preachers worst fear, an exmormon atheist.
It honestly felt like they were comparing Batman to Iron Man without realizing they’re both fictional 😂
Except they wouldn’t agree with you that their beliefs are fictional. And since you haven’t proven that either of their beliefs are fictional, what is your point?
@@kevinx7015 the burden of proof is on them, until they prove it otherwise HE is a fictional character... So what's YOUR point?
@@andresvillagra6746 I'd say you are arguing with somebody who has no clue about the burden of proof.
@@andresvillagra6746 Where is your proof that shows for a fact that the burden of proof is on them?
Because you say so just like you say that God is fictional for a fact because you said so instead of proving that is the case?
The burden of proof is not on the person who is claiming belief BECAUSE it’s understood that those claims are their beliefs not facts.
It’s ridiculous to figure a person who is claiming their beliefs are not their beliefs but are instead facts when that is not what is claimed to begin with.
Now the one who is claiming that God is fictional, and doesn’t say that it’s their belief that God is fictional, then one can assume that one is claiming for a fact that God is fictional.
Now there is where one does has the burden of proof BECAUSE WHAT MAKES A FACT A FACT IS EVIDENCE.
@@kevinx7015 because you're making the claim, that a god exists, burden is on you because that's how logic works. Without you presenting evidence, we just say "your idea is not convincing."
Also, it's not really batman vs iron man, because both of these fictional characters are in the same expanded universe. It's like arguing which Batman is more real, Micheal Keaton or Adam west.
The Bible gives two completely mutually exclusive stories about Jesus' birth that didn't even take place in the same year and he was trying to use that book as proof that another Jesus fandom is wrong.
Plus it’s written by four unknown men decades to a century after the supposed fact. The first book, named Mark, is written by someone unfamiliar with the region and the traditions, the next two copy and embellish, and the third one completely went JC Superstar.
Additionally, that writer mentioned people who either had died or weren’t yet at the supposed time of the Nativity, to say nothing getting the corresponding events he mentioned completely wrong.
“In the beginning there was the Word, and that Word is Bird.”
(Bird is the Word)
@@mgeorge487able The Bird, Bird, Bird. The Bird is the word!
The Trashmen - Surfin' bird
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This is like two children on the school-playground debating who'se dad can beat up the other one's dad and making up magic superpowers for them along the way, with the only difference being that their dads actually exist.
My mom would win that fight in all honesty and shes recovering from a shoulder replacement surgery she had a few days ago.
@@mwperk02 My mom just got her first appointment for knee surgery.
She can probably kick their asses too. (I said that as a joke, but then I remembered she was trained to do takedowns so she really could)
Every theist says "Your god is crazy and obviously fake, but my god is totally real and the one true god!" 🤦♂️
They do it without any self awareness at all! What is more likely, there is only one true god, or there are none? 🤷♂️
"My God has a bigger d^ck than your God!"
- George Carlin
That's only because they don't Know Shub Niggorath and Cthulhu!
@@garybobst9107 I knew C'thulhu. C'thulhu ate my friend. He, sir, is no C'thulhu.
Or were the Greeks right all along and there are a thousand Gods?
"Who's right? Who's wrong? There's only one way to find out."
It's time for a DEATH BATTLE!
I was defo expecting a TV Burp reference there. FIGHT!!!
Sir Sic is ubiquitous rn. Loved the cameo.
He's on fire, and you're not chopped liver either tick!
Well, I’m convinced that none of them said anything that even approaches proof.
Please get more of of these different denominations arguing with each other. It's so hilarious.
Bro, this is what we need.
Theists of the same religion disproving each other.
You shouldn't worry about disproving both of them for now, let's let them do our job for us.
Please show more of such videos.
And you just know that both of them walked away from that thinking they planted a seed of doubt into the nonbeliever. Meanwhile I’m over here thinking, “those poor lost souls”.
19:08 "would god contradict himself?" YES, he wouldn't.
Like a bunch of ten year olds arguing over who is stronger the hulk or superman. Answer neither is real.
Unfortunately the argument is very real to both sides, and has consequences sometimes for those of us who can recognize their fanfic for what it is.
Y favorite part was where he said god created Satan, his own enemy and won’t kill him, despite him being able to do anything. Theism is the dumbest belief a human can have.
Not necessarily all theism, but the omni-god being regularly thwarted by the much weaker evil god is absurd. In a dualism where both sides are equally powerful, that kind of conflict is coherent. Mostly unevidenced, but not a ridiculous concept.
Don’t be silly, God has already won against satan.
@@Isaac-hm6ih That is a big part of why i find it unbelievable. People are apparently convinced that god is the most powerful thing in existence & will ultimately take them to heaven yet also need to constantly do stuff to help him win...🤔
@@Skylerrelyks93 Which is why nothing bad ever happens, right?
It's more like this . We were all angels in heaven. And we all say we are good and we believe in God . Then we turn and see God and so yes we believed because we could see him and we were good because he was watching and he was all knowing. But we then agreed we would have a veil put over our memories and that we would go down and get a body like God has and be tested . So now we can't just look and see God so have to use faith . And now that we're not a spirit our bodies give us more of the 7 deadly sins we can experience. Now we're not sure if a all knowing God is watching us . Now we might not be as good as we thought . .... .............................so a man came home and his dinner was not ready so he grabbed his bat and told his wife if my dinner is not ready in 30 minutes you will get the bat . His wife got the food ready in 25 minutes and they set down to eat . The man said to his wife arnt you glad I saved you from the bat ? .... now as an unbeliever you see it as story 2 but you agreed to story one you just don't remember because of the veil . Either way we bother get to prove if we're really good or bad or somewhere between
Nice to see Sir Sic popping up
"yOu had tO Add SO maNy wOrDs..." my dude you literally did EXACTLY that like 30 seconds ago!!
Right? So infuriating.
Thanks for showing so much of the clips without cutting or interrupting. It really helps with the context.
"Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong." - Christopher Hitchens
Street preachers love the Gishgallop. Just talk exceptionally fast. Extra points if you constantly shout over any dissent.
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Moore hen 😊🍃
Leaf Be Upon You my friend! Moor Hen!
Its like listening to two star wars nerds arguing over who's fan fiction is lore accurate.
at least both nerds would admit it is still fiction :V
Naw, more like two car jocks arguing which m,anufacturer is the best.
@@bladerunner3314 ya but at least car jocks can prove those manufacturers exist
@@trueblaze84 Now you're moving the goal post. It was all about accuracy, not IF Star Wars exists.
@@bladerunner3314 Star wars exsists yes, but it's a work of fiction so no one person's opinion of what's cannon is just as valid as the the next. But care parts can have brands that are objectively better than anothers even if a person disagrees.
The thing is: all language is interpretation, all the time. There can't be a case where no interpretation is needed because turning words into thoughts is, itself, the primary act of interpretation.
If my interpretation of your comment is correct, you make a good point.
I'd argue ALL interaction with the world is an act of interpretation - what you see, hear, taste, touch, smell is all interpreted in your brain. First comes what you experience, then what you understand, then what you can communicate, and finally how what you are communicating is perceived by another person. With so many steps of interpretation just in speaking to another person, it's small wonder that the primary cause of human conflict is misunderstandings.
Of course, the calamity howler probably thinks that the “King James Version” is the original Bible, that each book was written in the king’s English of A.D. 1603-11, and not in the Hebrew, Aramaic and Koíne Greek of circa 1500 B.C.-A.D. 100 (according to the dates Christians say are correct). He won’t even consider the fact that the edition of that same version he himself is using is actually from A.D. 1750 to reflect changes in the English language in only 139 years. Consequently, when he claims that the Bible is not open to interpretation he really means to say that only the “King James Version” is not open to interpretation.
All I am hearing is "My imaginary friend can beat your imaginary friend." from these guys.😂
Same!
The Book of Mormon basically American history fanfic.
An American Jesus? Sign me up! 😂
And not even good fanfic!
@@Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer Some might say Trump is the new Jesus 💀
@@LisaTheRainbowGiraffe Donald J. Trump, the J is for Jeezus
@@LisaTheRainbowGiraffeSome openly do.
Just had my “In Giraffe We Trust” t-shirt delivered. Looks amazing!
Tweet me a pic!
@@TheSkepTick No can do, I’m afraid. I’m permanently banned from Twitter for suggesting it would be funny if Matt Hancock choked on a kangaroo bollock when he was on I’m A Celebrity
I want to insert myself into this "debate" and just toss a casual "you're both wrong" and see what happens. Would they band together to tell me off or would I just be adding fuel to the dumpster fire?
I'm pretty sure all religions agree that "unbelievers" are the worst of all.
@@LadyDoomsinger Pretty much.
If you told them that "god doesn't real", they would try to prevent you from getting married and hold public office
If all you said was "you're both wrong" they'd band against you. You'd have to mention a belief or "belief" that counters or undermines both of their differing beliefs on a point. That way when one would defend the other, the other wouldn't be happy with the defense and view it as a passive aggressive attack.
What truly stuns me is the way the rational-sounding theists can say things like "Jeebus _claimed_ he was the son of gawd," and then just carry on as if that translates into a fact.
Robert Downey Jr. said "I am Iron Man." And unlike any biblical claims, I can _prove_ he said it, but that doesn't make him a superhero.
Within the context of the story, he could actually prove he was iron man, though. Which is how sht works. Or should work.
@ArKritz84 within the context of the story Tony Stark is Iron Man, and RDJ isn't shown to exist. But that's not the point. Within the context if the gospels, Jeebus claims to be the son of gawd and/or also gawd.
Even granting that he was as real as RDJ (Tony Stark is fiction), and said the words, as RDJ said his line, it doesn't make it a fact that he was gawd, just as RDJ is not, in point of fact, Iron Man.
@@OneEyed_Jack gotcha.
18:41 That. Right there.
That is the deafening sound of silence as one guy wrestles with the option of conceding a point and realising that conceding anything in this situation means everything he believed in is wrong.
That’s why this stuff is so redundant. If a person’s worldview or faith can be quickly disputed to the point of abandoning it then it can’t have been true in the first place.
Christian has a black dog. Other guys have a white dog and a gray dog and a brown dog. Christian goes "Nope! Those aren't dogs because they're not black."
Make it dragons or unicorns instead of dogs, and you've got yourself a passable analogy.
Thanks! It feels good watching theists using irrational arguments against each other.
I am totally gobsmacked at the quantity of shameless hubris in this game of “My Doctrine Is Better Than Your Doctrine”. No humility whatsoever and no acknowledgement that either party’s beliefs could be wrong. That’s a strong indicator that both ARE (wrong). Of course with all the posturing there is no demonstration that A god actually exists, let alone the one these people claim to believe in, that he actually had a son, that that son was divine, that he died for anyone’s sins, that he was resurrected, etc. Utter bollocks, all of it.
The trouble with street preachers is that they either shout, or have loudspeakers.
It becomes difficult to hear what they say that way and you don't want to go near them. It hurts the ears.
It's a win win situation. They get to shout at people, you get to walk the other way
Thanks Tick, this was a fun one.
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This is hilarious, it's essentially a case of my imaginary dad can beat up your imaginary dad.
I am literally watching two grown men argue about whose imaginary friend is more real, and really it's the same imaginary friend.
How do they not irritate each other? The conversation is redundant and stupid.
It's like a book club arguing about the meaning of a book, only with these ones thinking their book is true.
I heard lots of things that were true in that video:
The Mormon said the Street Preachers god is false.
The Street Preacher said the Mormon's god is false.
and I've seen no evidence that both those sentences are true.
I wish these poor people could hear just what kinda nonsense they are talking. It saddens me.
My favorite part is near the end where he's pointing out contradictions from the book of Mormon but doesn't have the self awareness, nor do these kids, to realize all the scriptures are riddled with contradictions.
So how do you figure a belief is a lie if you haven’t proven that the belief is a lie?
How is the commentator sure that none of the Jesus’s are the right Jesus, just because there are different Jesus’s people believe in?
That like saying that just because there are 120 different apples none of them have the right sweetness just because there are 120 different apples.
That way of thinking just doesn’t make any sense?
Also why would the point that gaining the ultimate prize needs to be earned if one freely chose to get it as opposed to you are going to get the prize whether you like it or not, means that Jesus is being a jerk?
How does that make any sense?
Why does the commentator assuming that either position regarding how evil came to being is not true PROVES that neither position is false?
Why does the mere point that just because the commentator prefers to have a Bible that requires no interpretation needed proves there cannot be a God who has provided a way that one can personally test to see which belief is correct by asking that God in faith if one, are you there?, second, if you get the assurance, there is a God, ask if Jesus Christ is divine?, and third, if you get that assurance ask if a certain religion is the right religion to be a part of.
If one wonders which interpretation is right why not try to ask the source in faith and see what happens?
It doesn’t hurt to try it out, especially when there is no proof presented so far that either proves or disproves any of the Gods presented, so why not try that out and see what happens?
Also, how does the comment or saying Joseph Smith was a convicted con man proves Joseph Smith was a convicted con man?
There is record of him being found guilty of not being able to find treasure on someone’s property in which he was paid to try and find, but there was not even any record of what the sentence was. So how is that a conviction for being a con man?
@@kevinx7015 every single iteration of the Jesus character has exactly zero evidence backing it up. I wont say its a "lie" per se but its effectively wrong until it can be proven right as Christopher Hitchens famously said "that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence" Joeseph Smith provided no evidence he wasnt doing anything other than talking out of his ass when he invented mormonism so him being wrong is the default state and theres reasonable suspicion that he was a fraud.
@@kevinx7015 taking money for a service you knowingly can't provide is fraud. He was convicted of that. So convicted fraudster. Did you think other people couldn't look that up?
Holy shit did I see Sir Sic in there?
He always tells me lies! I don’t give him enough whisky.
This is just that episode of Sputh park where cartman becomes a psychic… with extra steps.
It’s a bit like arguing who the real Batman was, Michael Keaton, or George Clooney, or …, starting from the presupposition that one of them must be.
"I worship the Jesus of Islam..." Um, no Muslim would say that...
You thought that was a lot I'm doubling down keep making great content maybe one day you'll defend me against wack a atheist!
This is peak comedy. We have grown men unironically discussing who's imaginary friend is real.
3:05 At least now we know which part of the floating circle is the head! 🤣
It’s all head… 😅
This reminds me of when I was tabling an event with a coworker/friend when a seminary student started asking her Ray Comfort questions - she's a Christian. He was a Christian. They were slightly different flavors, but me as an atheist getting impatient because he was monopolizing her time when she was trying to interact with the kids coming to the table was just like "OH MY GOODNESS, YOU LITERALLY ARE BOTH CHRISTIANS, CAN WE MOVE ON?" Absolute lunacy.
It's like arguing why superman would win a fight with batman.
They are equally real, the real of both being precisely equal to not.
10:42 "He was in intimate relation with the father" Catholic church took that literally 🤣
Incest!
Wow. The street preacher actually said that primitive tribes who have never heard of his God are condemned because they can't figure out the Jesus story for themselves.
He has to. It hurts his case to confront reality: people assume the religion of their family/community/country is the “true” religion.
It cracks tf out of me you used SP pics in this vid. Legitimately this video made me feel like I was watching two kids in the schoolyard yelling at each other saying my dad will beat up your dad
"you had to add all those words to the text"
18:28
Is this guy self aware?
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Leaf be upon her!! ❤️
1:56 roughly translated: "I don't think Joseph Smith is a liar, because he says in his book that he didn't lie."
Which makes him not a liar because he's claiming not to be a liar?
@@fredriksundberg4624 I’m just pointing out the stupidity of that mormon’s reasoning.
@@MarceldeJong
Your'e being totally right which means those being right, right?
Or am I just misunderstanding everything?
That was like listening to a group of people debate which was better, the early loonier Daffy Duck or the later greedier Daffy, except much less entertaining. It was the my dad can beat up your dad debate with adults who are oblivious to their silliness.
I always have a great laugh when you throw Sir Sic in your videos.
you're not supposed to laugh, you're supposed to have a glass of Whiskey
@@dyamonde9555 Sir Sic has all the whiskey. I've been left with only bottled water. 😂
This is great! I hope they don't stop rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, and keep examining their own and other people's beliefs. At the end of the day, more and more people just. Don't. CARE. About the variety of goat-herder's guides to the galaxy.
I'm reminded of this:
Reverend Lovejoy: Homer, I'd like you to remember Matthew 7:26. "The foolish man who built his house upon the sand."
Homer: And you remember...Matthew... 21:17.
Reverend Lovejoy: "And he left them and went out of the city, into Bethany, and he lodged there?"
Homer: Yeah. Think about it.
Nothing like a bunch of grown ups standing around discussing their imaginary friends
"!!!IT'S LEAF BE UPON HER!!!" 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
4:23 They don't hear the violence in that? That guy, with a straight face, explained how people in Africa are "condemned" simply for having different beliefs. How does the awareness just not settle on the brain?
"I got that knowing feeling you get when you know something."
These guys are no different from two comic nerds arguing over who'd win in a fight: Darkside or Thanos. 😅
Darkside was destroyed in Mandolorean Season 3. Thermus was turned to dust by Iron Man.
This is funny. Especially the end was like all the scenes from The Big Bang Theory where they argue about comic book super heroes: "A: You know in the issue 53 it's said that he is the only one. B: Yes, but that was before the multiverse was established!..." And so on. It truly shows the incoherence in these texts. It looks like those were human written
We needed to throw in a Muslim and a JW to make it more interesting. They are all right, according to themselves.
Someone should arrange that and get the radio and television networks to broadcast it. Hey, if CNN can sacrifice its claim to being a news organization on the altar to the Marquis de Mar-a-Lago for him to lie for seventy minutes, certainly CBS, NBC and ABC can broadcast this program in the public interest.
Chuck in a scientologist
Did anyone else notice the kid pulling stuff out of his pocket and eating it around the 3 min mark?
Like watching 5 year olds debate Santa Claus
Is this what it's like to listen to a Star Wars fan and LotR fan politely argue about which trilogy was better when you don't care for either?
13:23 I heard that giraffes are heavily into water sport, in their sexual repertoire.
The Mormon in the Nike hoodie looks like he's one bad day away from smacking someone upside the head
🤣🤣🤣🤣 He does have a kind-of pissed-off vibe about him.
- Jesus being the son of god born of a human, makes Jesus a demi-god. So already we have two gods.
Secondly, who turned the other staffs into snakes when Moses was challenging Pharoah's gods? Other gods!
Christianity is a polytheistic religion
- Does God contradict himself? YES! THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE!
of course it's polytheistic. What's the very first commandment? You shall have no other Gods before me. Why would this be there if there was only the one God?
Almost right at the beginning the polytheism becomes obvious: Genesis 1:26-27. Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness. Remember, there was no royal “we” until just a few centuries ago.
@@kellydalstok8900 hm, i don't know. You gotta be careful with semantics arguments against a text that has been so often and differently translated. No idea what the original text actually said on that matter.
If Jesus said there was no other gods before me, why does god say in Genesis "we will create man in our image", who is we and our? There’s multiple examples of this throughout the Bible but it’s always skimmed over by preachers and those that witness to others.
My imaginary friend is more “real” than yours… even though we are both playing make believe with similar mythologies. 🥴🙄🤷♂️
Wait….. it is actually: my version of the same imaginary sky wizard is the one that actually does the real. 🫤🤪
"In space no one can hear you scream. You scream, I scream, we all scream for ice scream."
---Albert Einstein
Guy 1: Luke Skywalker!
Guy 2: Harry Potter!!
Me: I see dead people.
Me: I see 2 virtually the same movies
@@LisaTheRainbowGiraffe difficult to tell them apart, especially when "Christianity" is one of the newest religious beliefs, and 100% copied stories from many other faiths... it honestly looks more like a knock-off religion than anything factual. When did it originate, like 500ce, when like Egyptian was 4,000 BCE? Yeah... kinda a big difference there, and don't they state that 'the older documents are more factual'? so.. .any Egyptian Religious text would be more factual than Christian, right?
But You gotta cherry pick in this faith war so you don't get your fee-fee's hurt.
Gotta love Mythology
I love the kids walking around the 3 🤣
Same ol' recycled crap/nonsense. All they have to support their mythology are their book(s) of mythology?? Aesop's Fables are equally credible.
For those interested in the scholarship:
According to the general consensus of scholarship *(even critical Christian scholars),* YHWH was originally incorporated into the Canaanite pantheon as a son of the Canaanite high god El before inheriting the top spot in the pantheon and El's wife Athirat (Asherah) before religious reforms. If you want to see if El is fictional, just read his mythology in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts. His pantheon in Ugarit is called the *Elohim,* literally the plural of El.
"When El was young, he came across two beautiful Goddesses washing their clothes in the Sea. They were Athirat (Asherah) and the Goddess Rahmaya, and, after buttering them up by cooking a meal for them, he asked them to choose between being his daughters or wives. They choose the latter and became the mothers of the Gods Shachar "Dawn" and Shalim "Dusk"."
*"First, a god named El predates the arrival of the Israelites into Syria-Palestine.* Biblical usage shows El was not just a generic noun, but often a proper name for Israel’s God (e.g., Gen 33:20: “El, the God of Israel”)."
"I should add here that it is very clear from the grammar that the noun nachalah in v. 9 should be translated “inheritance.” *Yahweh receives Israel as his “inheritance” (nachalah), just as the other sons of El received their nations as their inheritance (nachal, v. 8).* With this verb, especially in the Hiphil, the object is always what is being given as an inheritance. Thus, Israel is given to Yahweh as his inheritance. ((Here I’m indebted to Dan McClellan.)) It would make no sense for Elyon to give himself an inheritance. Moreover, as I’ve argued elsewhere, it is not just the Gentile nations that are divided up according to the number of the sons of El. It is all of humankind, i.e., “the sons of Adam.” This clearly includes Israel. And the sons of Adam are not divided up according to the number of the sons of El, plus one (i.e., plus Elyon). They are divided up, according to the text, solely according to the number of the sons of El. *Thus, that Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance makes Yahweh one of the sons of El mentioned in v. 8. Any other construal of the text would constitute its rewriting."*
*"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.*
(Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian)
*"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"*
(A second response to Michael Heiser)
*"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."*
*"The Table of Nations: The Geography of the World in Genesis 10 - TheTorah.com"*
(Excluding the short narrative on Nimrod (vv. 8-12), which appears to be a later addition, Genesis 10 contains *70* names of nations or cities, a number that was symbolic of totality. Similarly, the descendants of Jacob were *70* in number (Gen 46:37; Exod 1:5), *as were the sons of the supreme Canaanite god El, with whom YHWH became equated.)*
*"Mark Smith: Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh’s Ascendency - Lehi's Library"*
(Mark Smith is a Catholic)
*"God, Gods, and Sons (and Daughters) of God in the Hebrew Bible. Part III | theyellowdart"*
*"02 | December | 2009 | Daniel O. McClellan - Psalm 82"*
(Daniel McClellan is a Mormon)
*"Elohim | Daniel O. McClellan"*
(Refer to the article "Angels and Demons (and Michael Heiser)")
*"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."*
(Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh)
*"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."*
*"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."*
*"Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart"*
*"The Gates of Ishtar - El, was the original god of the bible."*
*"The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri"*
(It appears in addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh it also appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort)
*"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia"*
(Refer to the section "Relationship to Biblical Religion")
*"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"*
(For a good summary of all of the above articles)
Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 27:40 minutes onwards.
Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on.
Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40.
Watch *"Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)"*
(By a former theist)
Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.
Reminds me of when people argue about the same thing but they're both so heated they can't see that they are actually agreeing.
Gee whiz I'm falling asleep listening to these two. Then SkepTick wakes me up and reminds me I'm not insane.
Why does the Abrahamic god Yahweh remain silent while preachers argue over the details of his existence?
It would be nothing for the Abrahamic god of Moses to speak inside the heads of all his creations any time he felt like it.
Jesus radit, sed solum crura !!
Latin pun. Impressive!
It's like Spiderman and Superman arguing over who gets to drive the Badmobile.
5:19 i am little sick now, and wounders, what is more iritaiting them or my throat :/
The thing to think about when talking with street preachers, or in fact any preacher: they do not really want you to worship their god or any god. They want you to worship them, the one preaching. Religion is not and never has been about god or morality. Religion is all about money and power. Your money to them so that they can have power over you.
Love when someone does a video that includes my old cult. 😁
I love thus stuff. I feel like I am watching Star Trak fans debating which is the best Captain of the Enterprise. A holy trinity of Kirk, Picard and Pike.
@Banned 7 Times Did Janeway ever captain the Enterprise? I think you were sent by Q to sow dissent!
@Dayna-sp8ff Excellent call. Classic. I was not aware that Janeway captained the Enterprise though. I apologise without reservation, because I don't care.
@Dayna-sp8ff Sweet.
Dude! In that pic, is B George W Bush with the Jesus hair and beard? If so that is f'n hilarious!
So did they ever come to a consensus on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? You know. Important stuff.
This reminds me of when all the religions protesting a TST gathering started arguing and fighting with eachother. 🤣
3:40 so strange how g_d made the cars get so loud during this dude's opening argument
or they could learn how to record audio on the street, idk