The Neo-Vintage Rolex GMT Dilemma! (Ref. 16700 vs. Ref. 16710)
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A viewer wants to add a preceramic Rolex GMT, but which one? Discussing the 16700 vs. the 16710.
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Still the best RUclipsr… the end of this video is the cherry on top
Hi there. The 16700 is the latest elegant, simple, slim GMT which has kept the spirit of the 6542.
A classic indeed, and the end of an era when they discontinued it!
Bonjour Monsieur, j'hésite aussi entre la 16700 et 16710, et votre commentaire attire mon attention. La 16700 est-elle vraiment plus fine que la 16710 ? Pouvez-vous m'en dire plus ? Je vous remercie d'avance. Bien cordialement.
I have been fortunate to own both. My preference is for the 16700. It is more comfortable on the wrist and benefits from the quick set date facility. I am usually only tracking one other timezone so the rotatable bezel is fine for that.
So this is a simple choice for you between the two? I have been having this debate for some time now. Any additional insight would be great! Side note: I do have a smaller wrist
@Austin so your choice would be the 16710 between the two? I would have to agree. Great content and would love to see more in the near future!
Great Vid Austin, I love my 16710 coke E from 1990 its the best watch I've ever owned so versatile can't bet a classic
I talked to my Rolex AD watchmaker about the 3175 vs. 3185 movements. He said they are from the same Rolex series (31XX) and are the same in terms of quality, accuracy, durability, and reliability. The only differences are in the functions. It's like comparing the 3130 to the 3135. Same quality, different functions.
Such comprehensive knowledge as always. I think he should buy and enjoy the model he wants but I'd definitely wear a G-Shock for the outdoor activities as Austin suggested. A preceramic Rolex is tough if well maintained but why risk the damage?
Great video with super useful information on one of the lesser known references. It's a real shame that this movement style (ie. permanently coupled GMT hand) was pretty much universally discontinued.
Excellent, detailed information....thanks!...only downside to the 16700 is the crazy prices (although not much different from the 16710). The 16700 will be my first buy if the watch market ever crashes....then the 1016 Explorer...(good luck!)
Finally: excellent points about the non-originality factor of the Coke bezel on the 16700...luckily the inserts are pretty easy to swap and are 100% compatible with the 16710. I would also want the upgraded click spring so that the bezel rotated with even ease on both directions.
Thanks for another episode
Great vid and good topic. I prefer the 16710 for the easier and more functional usability that comes with the master 2 over the master. Other than that it’s more the aesthetic you have given the slight changes in size and fit on the wrist I guess. I couldn’t see myself wearing this watch while cycling.
I'm loving this deep dive on the GMT. Of course, I see it as yet more convincing from Austin that I should go for the 16710 instead of the 16760. But I think I have my heart set on traveling to Japan and getting a peach of a 16760. :)
16700 is my favorite. I owned one and regret moving it on to this day. The “Magnum PI” GMT. Great video.
Magnum PI GMT was the 16750.
Hey Austin, do you know if the 16570 had any differences in thickness during its production?
Great episode! Great content! Thank you.
I still wash my 16700 in the wash basin in soapy water as recommended by Rolex at the time; the bezel really appreciates it.
It is good to use a flannel to rotate the bezel in an anti-clockwise direction, as the crown could be unscrewed by accident while rotating the bezel the wrong way when cleaning underwater.
I clean mine the same way, the old school way with soap and water.
the 16700 with a faded pepsi bezel is the epidom of class in my opinion. Like and old Porsche with original paint.
A late 90’s 16700 is the end of the line of the original GMT. That is the one to buy. It has Quick set date and a simple GMT function. Do you really need to track 3 time zones on the fly? In theory people want it but in practice they don’t use it. Most people don’t know how to use the 3 Tim zone function.
I bike with modern GMT II, Daytona, and Speedmasters for two hours every day. So modern pieces are totally fine. Just don't drop them into hard surfaces. I don't have direct experience with neo-vintage movements though but I think they'd also be fine since my understanding is that people 50 years ago were more active than us today, and Rolex were specifically targeting adventurous people in those eras.
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No dilemma. Both are great.
16700 is the one to get, classy, and quick set date is mandatory
Gotta say my 16713 root beer makes me grin every time I look at it. The dial is a chameleon, when inside the printing looks black and outside it looks tan. However, two tone at work can be a bit shouty. Get the 16570 Explorer 2, love mine.
The 16700 is thinner than the 16710 but the 16710 is still a pretty thin watch. I'm sensitive to watches being too thick and I owned a 16710 and thought of it as thin for its type.
Come to where the pooridge is just right, 16710. The additional functionality and versatility is worth the tiny millimeter.
You can’t set the 1/2 hour time zones on the 16710, you‘ll be either half hour early, or half hour late. But you can on the 16700. That makes the 16700 more versatile to me.
@vincet6730 what exactly do you mean? 16710 is superior over 16700 as in 16700 you can't adjust the GMT hand independently at all.
OK, try to set the 2nd time zone to ie. Mumbai local time. You can’t do that on the 16710. But on the 16700, because the bezel has 120 clicks. The bezel on the 16710 has 24 clicks only. If it had 48 clicks, it would make the 16710 the perfect watch.
@@vincet6730 The bezel on 16710 has 120 clicks so you can set it to whatever timezone you want. Plus it's great for timing things. The 16710 is a perfect watch indeed. I think you mixed that up with the current, ceramic GMT Master II which has 24 clicks.
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16700 black bezel insert "swiss only"
Seiko 5 GMT
I wear a 1675 from 1972. Doesn't glow at all anymore but that's okay with me.
16700 is a hard watch to beat. I’ve always had a soft spot for it.
16700 with a tritinova dial adds rarity to your choice.
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The 16700 is not a millimeter thinner than the 16710. More like 0.5mm. You can see the difference if you hold them side by side but on wrist you really don't notice any difference.
The Coke 16710 is the best choice.
It screams for a G-Shock 5610U (shows local and GMT at the same time). Robust. Atomic time.
I keep rewatching this vid. I've wanted a 16710 so bad...but I found a 16700 that is really amazing; can't decide if I can live with that fixed GMT hand. Or if I'd like a thinner case? Will it wear different/feel different on the wrist? And for the same cost?. I thought a cal. 3175 would be at least $1,000 - $1,500 less all else being equal. Is $11.5 w/ B&P a bit high? U-serial, "Swiss" only dial. Bob's and WatchCharts value it at $9-$10,000
I'd say $11.5 is a tad high, but if it's never been polished and in good shape, I might consider it. I can understand the feeling of being torn between a 16710 and a 16700; I always kind of wanted a 16700, but not sure if the thinness is worth the mechanical and aesthetic limitations (no Coke option).
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Hi austin i want ask something . I have a rolex gmt master 2 16710 all black can i buy another bezel from AD?thanks for the information
Hi Anthony, AD policies seem to vary by country, so it depends on where you are. I know Japan and the US are relatively lax about it, but they are more strict in the SE Asian countries.
@@watchsymposiumAustin is absolutely right. I can’t get other bezel insert other than the original that the watch came with from my RSC in Malaysia. However, one can always source them from the likes of ebay etc. just be knowledgeable enough when buying from such platform though
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The models you mention start at around 10 grand. You didn't mention it, but one of the best value SS Rolex professional models is the Ex.2 Ref. 16570. You're about halfway to one of those.
GMT 16700 the best bought in 1999 still. Going strong
The lesson here is, if you are a collector, buy a Rolex, if you want accurate Time keeping, get a Casio or a Timex Quartz. If you want to see the watch in the dark, Timex Indiglo. If you want a watch that will last a nuclear winter, get a G Shock. I won't even get into the affordability aspect. How ironic, the irony wasn't lost on me.
The three bears invented the GMT...facts 😂
Buy a vintage RootBeer and you won’t have a GMT problem