This proves what I always thought the Dutchman’s mine was found and mined out .. John Cochera found it some of the gold as told by Ron here .. being a jeweler he could quietly sell it off without attracting the attention of the IRS and then the mine was found and reopened and became the Silver Chief mine and it was mined out .. the Dutchman’s Ore is gone .. but it’s still beautiful country and a great story
This is all quite fascinating to me. I'm not at all interested in Dutch Hunting, but I have a love for the Superstitions and their history, so much so that I hike out there for recreational purposes as often as I can and have opened a hiking group exclusive to the Superstition Wilderness. I truly enjoy listening to and reading the stories.
Would like to say I think the Dutch mine is fascinating as a recreational prospector guy and watched every episode of lost gold your sons did, but thank you and your family for the wonders of the hunt !!
My X-father-in-law, who passed in 1988 swore he had found the Dutchman's Mine and was killed and found in the desert when he was going back to it. True? Fact? I cannot say, just his word to go on.
the desert is beautiful and deadly,no place to sleep,no water,you didn't bring it,you don't have it,over the last 100 or so years many have snuck in there and died,various reasons,if you don't know the desert, it doesn't suffer fools,remember the peralta's had slave labor,and their lives weren't worth much when they got a few miles from home,promises are empty words,there are some places to hike,but not many,i've been there in my youth[stupitiy] there are thousands of other places in America to search,i've found flake flour small nuggets near el cajon,about 900 dollars worth.paid for the whole trip,but none the less you have to go there when its cool,death is crawling everywhere when it hot,damn I hate venoumous snake,bark scorpions,no thanks,the small pocket I found,like a dummy, I didn't mark the spot as I was on vacation and wasn't looking for gold or gems,found them though,.some kid found an 8500 dollar nugget fishing a couple years back in a stream not far from the American river,gold is where its found,and refound
There are probably holes in the earth on the east side and at one time or another were called Peralta mines and one found by Jacob Waltz; but probably the large loads of ore could be gone. Holes there gold/silver gone somewhere else or maybe a little still left to fined for the adventures. Just came back myself from the Superstition and hiked and found my gold was the joy of the mountains scenery.
I think there are a few mines like the Dutchman’s! Yes, one or two may have been located but the old Dutchman hid his particular mine and I believe his is still well hidden! Makes sense as there has to be more ore than one vein of rich ore in that area!
Who was Capt. Rogers ? His name is all over the eastern Superstitions and Ron just mention a mill that may be connected to him. I got nowhere with the Superior historical society and ASU historical dept. Should have a book written about him.
Did My Granddad find The Lost Dutchman Mine? My granddad was a famous Southern California cowboy named Walt Whitlock. He was born in 1885 and died in 1960. In around 1905 to about 1910, He and his cousin, Steve Helm went on a hunting expedition to the Colorado 4 corners area. They jerked all their meat and were on their way to back to San Diego County when they encountered a sand storm. They rode up into the Superstition Mountains, down the Salt River, looking for shelter. Around dark, on a narrow cliff-side trail, south of the river, they found what they thought was a cave. It was barely large enough for them & their horses. When it became light the next morning they realized that this wasn't a cave, but a shallow, horizontal mine shaft, about 20 feet deep and 15, or so, feet wide. by about 6 feet tall. In the back of the tunnel they could see a vein of gold the width of the tunnel & 2 feet thick. They took their hunting knives & dug out some of the gold. Then they drew a crude map of the area with the idea of coming back later to stake a claim. They actually went back several times, but weren't able to locate the mine. They claimed the topography looked totally different. They even rode up the river, & down the same canyon as they had that evening, they even found the correct trail, but it stopped before they got to where they believed the minewas located. In fact the last time they were there, they had to back their horse up about 100 yards just to get back to the main trail, but the mine wasn't to be found. Sometime during the Great Depression my Granddad misplaced his "Dutchman" map. After his death in 1960 I went through his belongings looking for it, but it was just as lost as the Dutchman's mine. About 15 years ago I took a interest in trying to figure out where this mine was really at. So I began searching for it on the Internet, I download every "Dutchman" map I could find, about 60 to be exact. After pouring over all this information, as well as lots of old Dutchman stories, I decided that the Dutchman had probably found an existing Spanish mine, possibly dug by the Peralta party, before they were massacred. I began to compare all of these maps and discovered that all of the ones which were of a good enough quality to be of any use, seemed to have a couple of features in common, that being a triangle looking place at the conjunction of 2 canyons, just south of the Salt River. When the Google satellite view came out, it made this task much easier, so I began to search Google maps for these features, and I believe I've been successful. I've found a place at the end of La Barge Canyon which seems to match the listed topography, as well as my Granddad's "Ghost Trail. It appears to be in a large rock slide, which I believe is the reason Granddad couldn't find it again. It appears the whole face of the cliff slide away in one large slide, completely wiping out the trail for several hundred yards, & covering part of the entrance. The entrance is still viable, but is now just a slot, instead of the 6 foot tall, 15 foot wide rectangular opening my Granddad described, it's now just a 15 foot by about 3 foot high slot, with the bottom of the mine forming the top of the slide. The area in question is just above the top of La Barge Canyon. It appears there is a trail up the top of the ridge, above the mine. I believe this is what Granddad referred to as the "Main Trail". It appears the trail to the mine actually crossed the main trail, but slide has wiped most of it out, for what looks like several hundred yard. The correct area is just about in the middle of this map. www.google.com/maps/@33.5150089,-111.4253742,2403m/data=!3m1!1e3
@Carol Harris I don't think my Granddad's story was ever in a book, but a lot of people in San Diego county knew about it, he was pretty well know. If what I discovered via Google view is the correct place, it doesn't look like it's been worked in a hundred years or more.
@@ArizonaGhostriders From what I can see, based on what my Granddad told me & all the maps I reviewed. I believe my Granddad found the Peralta mine. It's the one that goes to the triangle at the end of La Barge canyon. The thing that makes it hard to find now is that the trail was wiped out in front of the mine by a rock slide. In the google link I gave, the trail is still visible on either side of the rock slide.
If some of these vapor chasers spent their time actually prospecting in good places far from the superstitions, they might actually have found something. People used to tease me about "Looking for gold". What we found in an area that is not well known and not famous at all, far outstrips anything that was even rumored in the superstitions....and it will remain obscure. LOL
2. Guardians of Superstition Mountain The Lost Dutchman Gold Mine is the most famous lost mine in American history. It was supposedly discovered and kept secret by a German immigrant named Jacob Waltz in the 19th century, hence the "Dutchman" name. Is a true story or tall tale?
Anyone named Peralta has absolutely nothing to do with the Stone Maps or the so-called "Lost Dutchman Mine." The man on the moon might be named Peralta too. The Jesuits are responsible for the second greatest story never told...yet. The two names on the Stone Maps, Miguel and Pedro, were Mexican born Jesuit Priests that did the carving work. All great Masters sign their art. There were over 600 Jesuits that were born in Mexico at the time of the suppression in 1767. When King Charles gave the order, many of them dropped the robes and faded into Mexican life so they could keep an eye on things here. The Jesuits were the Master Map Makers and miners, not some rag-tag gang of conquistadors looking to get rich. The Conquistadores provided security for the Jesuits to maintain their cheap labor pool of saved Indian Souls. They hid it all pretty well I'd say since Ron Feldman can't even figure it out. It appears to me that no one really knows anything as to what really went down. Well, Padre Charles Polzer S. J. knew. That's why he said the maps were fakes. Betcha never though Polzer would lie, now did you? Well, he was a Jesuit and they stick to the story. Too bad for the Jesuits that they didn't re-find the Maps but good for us because we never would have seen them...ever. If Tumlinson had known they were real, we probably wouldn't have seen them anyway. No one was sure enough about them being real enough to hoard them after Polzer said they were fakes. However, no one has solved the mine's location simply because there is one really big, nasty little problem with the Stone Maps. They are real but no one has even come close to noticing that problem yet. Jacob Waltz didn't say much because he couldn't. His life would not have been worth 2 cents if he had told the truth about the mine. Within his silence is the answer to all of your questions. He didn't draw that silly little map that you find on the internet, by the way. The vultures that were perched upon his bedposts, as he lay dying, did.
I'd bet my $$ on Dr. Robert Kesserling, the rocket scientist and his scientific approach. He figured it out. And he posted the geo coordinates of the mine too.
Jesuits and Freemason secret societies are well known for pulling hoaxes..Its like a game to them....oak Island money pit is another one...The Constitution is even a bigger hoax..Terms have legal definitions. The legalese lawyer lingo/term "we the "P"eople" actually means congress in session, Bovieurs, Valentines law dic.......Patrick Henry said it was shameful, misleading, and he rebuked them for it and said it would lead to a civil war within 75 years,,,,They placed many other loop holes in as well, such as; treaties, and contract law supersede the Constitution itself....also the end of the constitution states that any laws passed in the future IS the constitution and on equal footing...so one has to read every executive order, all case law, and much more to say they have read the constitution. Plus 1871 brought in a new corporate constitution..so-called college professors no nothing of this truth...
Run the reason why nobody's found the lost Dutchman gold mine yet is because somebody would have opened their mouth if they would have found a lot of gold millions of dollars because of their find. There's no way that someone can hold that kind of information within themselves and claim that they have all that gold and not say nothing about it believe me it's just too much. You want to say that the lost Dutchman gold mine is found so you can keep looking for the real one yourself just to claim it to yourself.
Wow, quite the bullshit artist. He just wants to profit of the shtick that only he knows the "secret" or he just wants to discourage more people from looking for it.
This proves what I always thought the Dutchman’s mine was found and mined out .. John Cochera found it some of the gold as told by Ron here .. being a jeweler he could quietly sell it off without attracting the attention of the IRS and then the mine was found and reopened and became the Silver Chief mine and it was mined out .. the Dutchman’s Ore is gone .. but it’s still beautiful country and a great story
I was actually looking for videos on how to perform a proper "Dutch Oven" and found my way here. Excellent and interesting. New subscriber!
His gold mine is his business. He capitalized on the legend like many others. It’s brilliant and a much safer way to make that money.
Boom !
Nothing like the beauty of the desert!!
This is all quite fascinating to me. I'm not at all interested in Dutch Hunting, but I have a love for the Superstitions and their history, so much so that I hike out there for recreational purposes as often as I can and have opened a hiking group exclusive to the Superstition Wilderness. I truly enjoy listening to and reading the stories.
Thanks, Michael and good luck with you hiking group. There's a lot to see.
Would like to say I think the Dutch mine is fascinating as a recreational prospector guy and watched every episode of lost gold your sons did, but thank you and your family for the wonders of the hunt !!
Wow. So much info from Ron.
even more to come!
I’ve stood in the omega sign on the peralta maps next to sombrero mtn on the salt river it sticks out from the road plain as day
Thanks you sharing this great wealth of research ! Too old to get in the mountains much at my age.
Everybody's a expert when it comes to the lost dutchman mine
The mine isn't lost.....it's where it always has been......
This is good stuff keep it coming
OMG!!! Just plain straight talk!!! Now we all know everything!!! We are now just plain rich!!!
Ron is a true Arizona modern ‘Cowboy.’
Awesome channel!!! Keep the videos coming
Thank you so much for watching
Very interesting. Thank you.
My X-father-in-law, who passed in 1988 swore he had found the Dutchman's Mine and was killed and found in the desert when he was going back to it. True? Fact? I cannot say, just his word to go on.
the desert is beautiful and deadly,no place to sleep,no water,you didn't bring it,you don't have it,over the last 100 or so years many have snuck in there and died,various reasons,if you don't know the desert, it doesn't suffer fools,remember the peralta's had slave labor,and their lives weren't worth much when they got a few miles from home,promises are empty words,there are some places to hike,but not many,i've been there in my youth[stupitiy] there are thousands of other places in America to search,i've found flake flour small nuggets near el cajon,about 900 dollars worth.paid for the whole trip,but none the less you have to go there when its cool,death is crawling everywhere when it hot,damn I hate venoumous snake,bark scorpions,no thanks,the small pocket I found,like a dummy, I didn't mark the spot as I was on vacation and wasn't looking for gold or gems,found them though,.some kid found an 8500 dollar nugget fishing a couple years back in a stream not far from the American river,gold is where its found,and refound
Awesome Ron !!!
introduction music JUST PERFECT lol. If your next videos had balanced volume levels that would be great hahaha
good one paul great vid , loved it
Who's paul?
There are probably holes in the earth on the east side and at one time or another were called Peralta mines and one found by Jacob Waltz; but probably the large loads of ore could be gone. Holes there gold/silver gone somewhere else or maybe a little still left to fined for the adventures. Just came back myself from the Superstition and hiked and found my gold was the joy of the mountains scenery.
I know where a mine is but we are waiting to have a little money and work it our selfs me my dad my family
More videos of exploring sites in the mountains less talking standing in front of mountains.
Great information from very knowledgeable people. Peraltas. Interesting last name.
Owns the ok corral and land around the superstitions... He found a gold mine, alright. History for a buck.
I think there are a few mines like the Dutchman’s! Yes, one or two may have been located but the old Dutchman hid his particular mine and I believe his is still well hidden! Makes sense as there has to be more ore than one vein of rich ore in that area!
The old German..he was not dutch
Get up there & lets see it!
Who was Capt. Rogers ? His name is all over the eastern Superstitions and Ron just mention a mill that may be connected to him. I got nowhere with the Superior historical society and ASU historical dept. Should have a book written about him.
Did My Granddad find The Lost Dutchman Mine?
My granddad was a famous Southern California cowboy named Walt Whitlock. He was
born in 1885 and died in 1960.
In around 1905 to about 1910, He and his cousin, Steve Helm went on a hunting expedition to the Colorado 4 corners area. They jerked all their meat and were on their way to back to San Diego County when they encountered a sand storm. They rode up into the Superstition Mountains, down the Salt River, looking for shelter.
Around dark, on a narrow cliff-side trail, south of the river, they found what they thought was a cave. It was barely large enough for them & their horses. When it became light the next morning they realized that this wasn't a cave, but a shallow, horizontal mine shaft, about 20 feet deep and 15, or so, feet wide. by about 6 feet tall. In the back of the tunnel they could see
a vein of gold the width of the tunnel & 2 feet thick. They took their hunting knives & dug out some of the gold. Then they drew a crude map of the area with the idea of coming back later to stake a claim.
They actually went back several times, but weren't able to locate the mine. They claimed the topography looked totally different. They even rode up the river, & down the same canyon as they had that evening, they even found the correct trail, but it stopped before they got to where they believed the minewas located. In fact the last time they were there, they had to back their
horse up about 100 yards just to get back to the main trail, but the mine wasn't to be found.
Sometime during the Great Depression my Granddad misplaced his "Dutchman" map. After his death in 1960 I went through his belongings looking for it, but it was just as lost as the Dutchman's mine.
About 15 years ago I took a interest in trying to figure out where this mine was really at. So I began searching for it on the Internet, I download every "Dutchman" map I could find, about 60 to be exact.
After pouring over all this information, as well as lots of old Dutchman stories, I decided that the Dutchman had probably found an existing Spanish mine, possibly dug by the Peralta party, before they were massacred. I began to compare all of these maps and discovered that all of the ones which were of a good enough quality to be of any use, seemed to have a couple of features in common, that being a triangle looking place at the conjunction of 2 canyons, just south of the Salt River.
When the Google satellite view came out, it made this task much easier, so I began to search Google maps for these features, and I believe I've been successful. I've found a place at the end of La Barge Canyon which seems to match the listed topography, as well as my Granddad's "Ghost Trail.
It appears to be in a large rock slide, which I believe is the reason Granddad couldn't find it again. It appears the whole face of the cliff slide away in one large slide, completely wiping out the trail for several hundred yards, & covering part of the entrance. The entrance is still viable, but is now just a slot, instead of the 6 foot tall, 15 foot wide rectangular opening my Granddad described, it's now just a 15 foot by about 3 foot high slot, with the bottom of the mine forming the top of the slide. The area in question is just above the top of La Barge Canyon. It appears there is a trail up the top of the ridge, above the mine. I believe this is what Granddad referred to as the "Main Trail". It appears the trail to the mine actually crossed the main trail, but slide has wiped most of it out, for what looks like several hundred yard.
The correct area is just about in the middle of this map.
www.google.com/maps/@33.5150089,-111.4253742,2403m/data=!3m1!1e3
@Carol Harris I don't think my Granddad's story was ever in a book, but a lot of people in San Diego county knew about it, he was pretty well know.
If what I discovered via Google view is the correct place, it doesn't look like it's been worked in a hundred years or more.
@@davenettles9482 Seems like this guy here found it. Let's see if he can prove it one day.
@@ArizonaGhostriders From what I can see, based on what my Granddad told me & all the maps I reviewed. I believe my Granddad found the Peralta mine. It's the one that goes to the triangle at the end of La Barge canyon. The thing that makes it hard to find now is that the trail was wiped out in front of the mine by a rock slide. In the google link I gave, the trail is still visible on either side of the rock slide.
@Chris Collins
Add in a few earthquakes and it spells big trouble. Look what happened in Ridgecrest Ca on July 4 & 5.
Feldman is the best
You guys found the gold you just sucked it out of tourists pockets
Match the ore up with the original assay values of 5000 oz. a ton for a clue you found the Dutchman ore.
👍
Finally someone who has a clue....or I should say is close.
Are you even there doing the interview.
If some of these vapor chasers spent their time actually prospecting in good places far from the superstitions, they might actually have found something. People used to tease me about "Looking for gold". What we found in an area that is not well known and not famous at all, far outstrips anything that was even rumored in the superstitions....and it will remain obscure. LOL
Silver Chief or Silver King 3D mining
Are you sitting in your back yard and just added yourself into an interview? LOL this looks so odd.
Most of these guys are long past being able to hike anywhere.
Lol I’ve always wondered that. Love the channel tho
Are you even there doing this interview. I think you are splicing. I want to see your butt hiking the terrain and interviewing.
@@jackiefranklin6717 "Glory days..."
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2. Guardians of Superstition Mountain
The Lost Dutchman Gold Mine is the most famous lost mine in American history. It was supposedly discovered and kept secret by a German immigrant named Jacob Waltz in the 19th century, hence the "Dutchman" name. Is a true story or tall tale?
5 yr old video. Thanks
Anyone named Peralta has absolutely nothing to do with the Stone Maps or the so-called "Lost Dutchman Mine." The man on the moon might be named Peralta too. The Jesuits are responsible for the second greatest story never told...yet. The two names on the Stone Maps, Miguel and Pedro, were Mexican born Jesuit Priests that did the carving work. All great Masters sign their art. There were over 600 Jesuits that were born in Mexico at the time of the suppression in 1767. When King Charles gave the order, many of them dropped the robes and faded into Mexican life so they could keep an eye on things here. The Jesuits were the Master Map Makers and miners, not some rag-tag gang of conquistadors looking to get rich. The Conquistadores provided security for the Jesuits to maintain their cheap labor pool of saved Indian Souls. They hid it all pretty well I'd say since Ron Feldman can't even figure it out. It appears to me that no one really knows anything as to what really went down. Well, Padre Charles Polzer S. J. knew. That's why he said the maps were fakes. Betcha never though Polzer would lie, now did you? Well, he was a Jesuit and they stick to the story. Too bad for the Jesuits that they didn't re-find the Maps but good for us because we never would have seen them...ever. If Tumlinson had known they were real, we probably wouldn't have seen them anyway. No one was sure enough about them being real enough to hoard them after Polzer said they were fakes. However, no one has solved the mine's location simply because there is one really big, nasty little problem with the Stone Maps. They are real but no one has even come close to noticing that problem yet. Jacob Waltz didn't say much because he couldn't. His life would not have been worth 2 cents if he had told the truth about the mine. Within his silence is the answer to all of your questions. He didn't draw that silly little map that you find on the internet, by the way. The vultures that were perched upon his bedposts, as he lay dying, did.
I'd bet my $$ on Dr. Robert Kesserling, the rocket scientist and his scientific approach. He figured it out. And he posted the geo coordinates of the mine too.
Jesuits and Freemason secret societies are well known for pulling hoaxes..Its like a game to them....oak Island money pit is another one...The Constitution is even a bigger hoax..Terms have legal definitions. The legalese lawyer lingo/term "we the "P"eople" actually means congress in session, Bovieurs, Valentines law dic.......Patrick Henry said it was shameful, misleading, and he rebuked them for it and said it would lead to a civil war within 75 years,,,,They placed many other loop holes in as well, such as; treaties, and contract law supersede the Constitution itself....also the end of the constitution states that any laws passed in the future IS the constitution and on equal footing...so one has to read every executive order, all case law, and much more to say they have read the constitution. Plus 1871 brought in a new corporate constitution..so-called college professors no nothing of this truth...
They stole my catch frase
Run the reason why nobody's found the lost Dutchman gold mine yet is because somebody would have opened their mouth if they would have found a lot of gold millions of dollars because of their find. There's no way that someone can hold that kind of information within themselves and claim that they have all that gold and not say nothing about it believe me it's just too much. You want to say that the lost Dutchman gold mine is found so you can keep looking for the real one yourself just to claim it to yourself.
This guy needs some treatment alright... lol
Whiskey talk
Like a dab burn snake i tellsz ya!
I hate when he cuts to himself asking questions. SO WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS AND THAT!!!
He is a BS er.
Makes a good story.
Wow, quite the bullshit artist. He just wants to profit of the shtick that only he knows the "secret" or he just wants to discourage more people from looking for it.
Feldman claiming to have found the LDM, bs. he just wants the history channel to give him his own show ffs
Yeah he s a sellable character for them Hollyweirdos