WoW! I have to say Corey you look great. You have lost that extra weight. Marlene and Ari say hi and enjoyed our meet and eating dinner with you in NJ with the Plaid S at the Pizza restaurant. Keep up the good work. We made sure to buy "Sandy wants you" semi funding stickers. We can't wait to see the semi teardown as well as the cybertruck.
Thanks for giving this booth the Munro treatment. Hypercraft was a UFO to me before this. Nice work Hypercraft keep it up. Cylindrical cell reliability is high but the voltage drop is hideous due to the "drag" of resistance. The 4680 solves this while containing expansion for reliability. The Panasonic 4680 design using less tabs is still a superb option for safe high power cells. They also seem the most likely to be commercially available in volume. The 4680 internal resistance is so low that even at 1.5x it's still miles ahead of the 18650/2170 cells and inline with prismatics. Everything being equal a lower internal resistance cell delivers more power consistently. Internal resistance under high load is difficult to mitigate with external cooling.
I want BMW to take the knowledge they gained from making the i3 and make a carbon fiber MINI, that's smaller than the current one, with AWD and 180 mile range, that would be good enough for me. It wouldn't handle like a go-kart, it'd be like a slot car.
IIRC one of Tesla’s founders, Ian Wright, built an electric Ariel Atom and used it to sell the EV concept. AC Propulsion was selling a premium EV conversion powertrain at the time. I think that is what Ian used, so all he had to do was integrate it into the Atom chassis. BTW, the original BMW electric Mini also used the AC propulsion powertrain.
I see a number of builders scrambling to get Tesla drive trains for EV conversions of classic cars. I know there is a company which makes an electric motor called the Hypernine (I think) which is quite popular. But if there is an option for builders to purchase a complete system it opens up a range of possibilities.
It's the Netgain Hyper9 motor you're thinking of. The challenge always comes down to cost. These guys are using high end and expensive components that are not repurposed and are not low power spec motors. Their system puts out significant power hence why its has a race use design. A Hyper 9 is about 120HP equivalent. Nissen Leaf motors and Tesla motors are popular because they are cheap (relatively) to buy and powerful. There are now lots of kits for VW Beetles and Mini's plus some for Porsche are becoming available. But anything kit built and designed comes with both added cost but also reduced fitment effort. So if you can afford it and a kit is available then go for it. Otherwise it's back to good old research, measure and modify and self design to get an end result. Like classic hotrod stuff.
I'm working on getting a Cybertruck, but one day this company could get me partway to my dream of an electric 1970's land yacht (this made me look up classic cars and find an awesome '69 Chrysler Town & Country station wagon) with modern safety systems. Those battery packs with thermal integration are really nice. If they could fit them between frame rails or where exhaust systems used to go, and in engine bays, we could see classic & hot rod conversions with usable range above 100 miles. Maybe electric power boat conversions one day?
Looks better than some of the ThunderStruck kits with their open frame motors which they sadly sell for marine purposes with belt drives to get the prop speed right. Would be interesting to see what Elco/General Dynamics might come up with if they put their minds towards creating turnkey crate motors and battery systems for land vehicles and not just boats and submarines. Best!
Plenty of others already doing this. I think Elco with around 130 years in operation behind them dating back the 1890's Chicago Worlds Fair electric launches has the most experience. Best!
I'd be interested in run times... How long can I have fun, before recharging? And an aside from that dialing in re gen, which obviously affects run times.
This is the sort of thing that gets me excited. I want the performance of an EV but I don’t want all the software, monitoring, and automation BS that for some reason they build into every single EV.
The software and monitoring doesn't have to be front and center but it is required for safety in an EV (just like the temp gauge in an ICE car) the last thing you want happening is a overheated cell going critical and catching your pack on fire. The monitoring on most EVs that are out now is not prevalent enough to call it a downside, you don't have to have a screen telling you everything just need a charge gauge and a speedometer. As for the "Automation" BS...you'd better get used to it because its just going to get better and more prevalent.
Maybe induction motors are better than BLDC motors with permanent magnets because no risk of demagnetising less cost and complexity with high efficiency last but not the least self changing polarity because of AC no fancy sensors required.
Hey Munro, any chance you can LEANDESIGN and streamline your merchandise pricing or at least the shirts? I think it'd work out for you. Or are you using different grades of cotton and materials? What's the OEMs cost per square inch?
Now I could get on board with this as an alternative to just stuffing a GM LS series v8 in anything that comes along. It would be ideal if this technology is adaptable to older Muscle cars.
As always this concept and having company's supplying the EV options is great, but with a starting price of $40,000 its a big fat NO! for me. There will be a day when EV conversions will be cheap to do, but its not looking like anytime soon unfortunately ☹
This is for race cars. Your grocery getter doesnt need this much power or durability. But even then, with bare bones stuff a conversation kit will start at $25k with a pretty limited range... and another $20k to have installed by someone with the know-how. Even if some company was seriously mass producing the components for conversation kits, they would still be expensive just because the batteries and motors are pricey. It will take a real serious battery price revolution, which will require more than just high volume, but a real revolutionary battery chemistry before conversion kits are a good alternative to just buying an EV. Even then, even with a battery that costs a fraction what they do today, the EV you buy off a lot will always have better range, faster charging, and advantages like a service center and warrantee that conversions wont be competitive with.
Captain Kirk & Cori awesome and impressive. Living in Asia do you have an affordable solution for TUKTUKs 🛺 Tropical regards from Phuket Island 🏝️ Thailand 🇹🇭
The auto industry can NOT make EV replacement vehicles for the Billion I.C.E. vehicles in the World. BUT, conversions, as a subsidy, could easily help us maintain life sustaining "air" in 2030 by converting the World's fleet. This is a big step along the way. GM made EV Conversion Kits for ALL GM vehicles made within the last 10 years - GM would become VERY wealthy. This could also save the New Car Dealership issues of selling EVs direct to consumers. Dealers could sell and convert MILLIONS of vehicles.
A conversion kit typically costs as much as a car. Think about it: these are ALL of the actual expensive parts of an EV. And these are the parts they been having shortages of that is creating bottlenecks in production of full EVs. So sure, and OEM could build conversion kits, but who would do the install? Is GM going to build huge factories and hire hundreds of thousands of workers to tear down a bunch of old clunkers? Robots cant do this kind of work. And would they have to pay for the chemical cleanup and the waste? And would they be liable for issues with your converted vehicle? Would they have to completely replace ALL of the wiring harnesses to ensure that everything still functioned? Is GM going to put a new warrantee on a 10 year old vehicle with an unknown history? And how much do you think that would really cost and how long per vehicle? Week? Months? As far as I can tell, there is far LESS energy and time in just building NEW vehicles than in tearing down, cleaning, testing, refitting, converting, and reassembling an old one. Dramatically less. New vehicle production lines are measured in vehicles per minute, not weeks per vehicle.
1:30 After three kids loosing their father 5 months ago, there are better hobbies then a life-endangering race a.k.a. Pikes Peak for a mother of 3, or? What is it all about? Really strange.
Appreciate you sharing your opinion. Please enlighten us? How do you manage living life through another's eyes heart and and soul. Two sets of eyes Two hearts Two souls You're truly gifted.
why not a combustion generator for lightweight and not overheating so easily? full ev is not even resonable for even cars focused on sustinability and low emissiosn and saftey and ease of use etc, especially in the big picture perspective. of course things look a little different if comparing 1 car and another 1 car, within the comtext of the common users feelings alone
off road and rock crawling is all they're gonna be good for; road racing just ain't happening, especially with poor choices like traditional silicon inverters. Let's say I compare to a 600cc sport bike engine, that makes 110hp, and I assume I want to use about 25% of max power on average, for a day of racing that's 3x 20min session: you're looking at 20 kwh, or about 160 lb of cells. Plus battery structure, motors, electronics. And that's ignoring having a margin for battery degradation, or maybe wanting to keep it above 20% so your performance doesn't tank at the end. Batteries just aren't competitive with high performance engines ft. a tiny gas tank that can be refilled between sessions or even during a race that allows pit stops. The scale and availability of high performance engines also means they're much more cost competitive for amateur racing as well.
why not a combustion generator for lightweight and not overheating so easily? full ev is not even resonable for even cars focused on sustinability and low emissiosn and saftey and ease of use etc, especially in the big picture perspective. of course things look a little different if comparing 1 car and another 1 car, within the comtext of the common users feelings alone f Reply
Great job hitting the questions we would ask, it totally changed the technical level of the presenter to something interesting to listen to.
Great stuff Cory and Kirk. Looking forward to more Electrify Expo coverage and Hypercraft coverage soon.
Corey look’n like a totally different man 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻. Good for you buddy
I will never get tired if your intro music choices 😀
WoW! I have to say Corey you look great. You have lost that extra weight. Marlene and Ari say hi and enjoyed our meet and eating dinner with you in NJ with the Plaid S at the Pizza restaurant. Keep up the good work. We made sure to buy "Sandy wants you" semi funding stickers. We can't wait to see the semi teardown as well as the cybertruck.
Love the music to start the excellent video! Very informative Cory and crew.
Thanks
🤟 yesssss
Cory is looking more and more lean every week! Is Sandy letting him go home? :P
Thank you Cory!
Thanks for watching
Damn, that looks fun. And great thorough questions
NICE JOB TEAM MUNRO...... HAVE A GOOD DAY EVERYBODY ✌️
Thanks
Thanks for giving this booth the Munro treatment. Hypercraft was a UFO to me before this. Nice work Hypercraft keep it up.
Cylindrical cell reliability is high but the voltage drop is hideous due to the "drag" of resistance. The 4680 solves this while containing expansion for reliability. The Panasonic 4680 design using less tabs is still a superb option for safe high power cells. They also seem the most likely to be commercially available in volume. The 4680 internal resistance is so low that even at 1.5x it's still miles ahead of the 18650/2170 cells and inline with prismatics.
Everything being equal a lower internal resistance cell delivers more power consistently. Internal resistance under high load is difficult to mitigate with external cooling.
Brings out Cory's great skills as an interviewer
I really want e-Ariel Atom.
AWD Version. Reach for the stars!
I want BMW to take the knowledge they gained from making the i3 and make a carbon fiber MINI, that's smaller than the current one, with AWD and 180 mile range, that would be good enough for me. It wouldn't handle like a go-kart, it'd be like a slot car.
IIRC one of Tesla’s founders, Ian Wright, built an electric Ariel Atom and used it to sell the EV concept. AC Propulsion was selling a premium EV conversion powertrain at the time. I think that is what Ian used, so all he had to do was integrate it into the Atom chassis. BTW, the original BMW electric Mini also used the AC propulsion powertrain.
@@georgepelton5645 Tyvm. Good info. Great site.
I see a number of builders scrambling to get Tesla drive trains for EV conversions of classic cars. I know there is a company which makes an electric motor called the Hypernine (I think) which is quite popular. But if there is an option for builders to purchase a complete system it opens up a range of possibilities.
It's the Netgain Hyper9 motor you're thinking of. The challenge always comes down to cost. These guys are using high end and expensive components that are not repurposed and are not low power spec motors. Their system puts out significant power hence why its has a race use design. A Hyper 9 is about 120HP equivalent. Nissen Leaf motors and Tesla motors are popular because they are cheap (relatively) to buy and powerful. There are now lots of kits for VW Beetles and Mini's plus some for Porsche are becoming available. But anything kit built and designed comes with both added cost but also reduced fitment effort. So if you can afford it and a kit is available then go for it. Otherwise it's back to good old research, measure and modify and self design to get an end result. Like classic hotrod stuff.
Alright,
91 Miata AWD conversion.
Aaaaaaand GO!
Thanks, invaluable
I'm working on getting a Cybertruck, but one day this company could get me partway to my dream of an electric 1970's land yacht (this made me look up classic cars and find an awesome '69 Chrysler Town & Country station wagon) with modern safety systems. Those battery packs with thermal integration are really nice. If they could fit them between frame rails or where exhaust systems used to go, and in engine bays, we could see classic & hot rod conversions with usable range above 100 miles. Maybe electric power boat conversions one day?
Nice StealthEV integrated hvh250 core motor!
Could start marketing these drive-trains for custom car makers and classic car being made into EVs.
this is awesome, would love to try one of those myself one day
Looks better than some of the ThunderStruck kits with their open frame motors which they sadly sell for marine purposes with belt drives to get the prop speed right. Would be interesting to see what Elco/General Dynamics might come up with if they put their minds towards creating turnkey crate motors and battery systems for land vehicles and not just boats and submarines.
Best!
That’s a great idea
Where do to the minerals for the battery pack come from?
Any idea whether these are available for boats conversions? I looked up the motor on their website and there’s no IP rating.
Plenty of others already doing this. I think Elco with around 130 years in operation behind them dating back the 1890's Chicago Worlds Fair electric launches has the most experience.
Best!
I'd be interested in run times...
How long can I have fun, before recharging? And an aside from that dialing in re gen, which obviously affects run times.
Good work Cory. No mention of range, too many variables off road ?
Gentlemen energize your motors!
Nothing like the torque of an electric motor. 100% power at Zero RPMs.
Wrong ! at Zero rpm NOTHING hapens 😂 motor must be turning to make power 😊
@@WANDERER0070 So you had to be THAT guy! OK, torque measured at 1 degree rotation per minute. Better now?
Yup, just like steam engines! Keep up the great cinema quality vids.
Totally hyper !
Finally an electric CrossKart! How do I get one!?!
This is the sort of thing that gets me excited. I want the performance of an EV but I don’t want all the software, monitoring, and automation BS that for some reason they build into every single EV.
The software and monitoring doesn't have to be front and center but it is required for safety in an EV (just like the temp gauge in an ICE car) the last thing you want happening is a overheated cell going critical and catching your pack on fire. The monitoring on most EVs that are out now is not prevalent enough to call it a downside, you don't have to have a screen telling you everything just need a charge gauge and a speedometer. As for the "Automation" BS...you'd better get used to it because its just going to get better and more prevalent.
Great interview
Maybe induction motors are better than BLDC motors with permanent magnets because no risk of demagnetising less cost and complexity with high efficiency last but not the least self changing polarity because of AC no fancy sensors required.
Cory, never wear dress shoes in SoCal. They have been outlawed since the mid 2000’s
Hey Munro, any chance you can LEANDESIGN and streamline your merchandise pricing or at least the shirts? I think it'd work out for you. Or are you using different grades of cotton and materials? What's the OEMs cost per square inch?
Where in Nebraska?!
Hastings and Waverly
I wonder if they could make parts for a motorcycle to be turned into an EV
Wait... Kirk left AEM in September?! 🤯
How much $$$ ?
Now I could get on board with this as an alternative to just stuffing a GM LS series v8 in anything that comes along. It would be ideal if this technology is adaptable to older Muscle cars.
If only batteries and chargers are half as good as the motors and power electronics.
As always this concept and having company's supplying the EV options is great, but with a starting price of $40,000 its a big fat NO! for me.
There will be a day when EV conversions will be cheap to do, but its not looking like anytime soon unfortunately ☹
This is for race cars. Your grocery getter doesnt need this much power or durability. But even then, with bare bones stuff a conversation kit will start at $25k with a pretty limited range... and another $20k to have installed by someone with the know-how. Even if some company was seriously mass producing the components for conversation kits, they would still be expensive just because the batteries and motors are pricey. It will take a real serious battery price revolution, which will require more than just high volume, but a real revolutionary battery chemistry before conversion kits are a good alternative to just buying an EV. Even then, even with a battery that costs a fraction what they do today, the EV you buy off a lot will always have better range, faster charging, and advantages like a service center and warrantee that conversions wont be competitive with.
Captain Kirk & Cori awesome and impressive. Living in Asia do you have an affordable solution for TUKTUKs 🛺
Tropical regards from Phuket Island 🏝️ Thailand 🇹🇭
rip Ken Block...good show old chap
The auto industry can NOT make EV replacement vehicles for the Billion I.C.E. vehicles in the World. BUT, conversions, as a subsidy, could easily help us maintain life sustaining "air" in 2030 by converting the World's fleet. This is a big step along the way. GM made EV Conversion Kits for ALL GM vehicles made within the last 10 years - GM would become VERY wealthy. This could also save the New Car Dealership issues of selling EVs direct to consumers. Dealers could sell and convert MILLIONS of vehicles.
A conversion kit typically costs as much as a car. Think about it: these are ALL of the actual expensive parts of an EV. And these are the parts they been having shortages of that is creating bottlenecks in production of full EVs. So sure, and OEM could build conversion kits, but who would do the install? Is GM going to build huge factories and hire hundreds of thousands of workers to tear down a bunch of old clunkers? Robots cant do this kind of work. And would they have to pay for the chemical cleanup and the waste? And would they be liable for issues with your converted vehicle? Would they have to completely replace ALL of the wiring harnesses to ensure that everything still functioned? Is GM going to put a new warrantee on a 10 year old vehicle with an unknown history?
And how much do you think that would really cost and how long per vehicle? Week? Months? As far as I can tell, there is far LESS energy and time in just building NEW vehicles than in tearing down, cleaning, testing, refitting, converting, and reassembling an old one. Dramatically less. New vehicle production lines are measured in vehicles per minute, not weeks per vehicle.
1:30 After three kids loosing their father 5 months ago, there are better hobbies then a life-endangering race a.k.a. Pikes Peak for a mother of 3, or? What is it all about? Really strange.
Appreciate you sharing your opinion. Please enlighten us? How do you manage living life through another's eyes heart and and soul.
Two sets of eyes
Two hearts
Two souls
You're truly gifted.
why not a combustion generator for lightweight and not overheating so easily? full ev is not even resonable for even cars focused on sustinability and low emissiosn and saftey and ease of use etc, especially in the big picture perspective. of course things look a little different if comparing 1 car and another 1 car, within the comtext of the common users feelings alone
off road and rock crawling is all they're gonna be good for; road racing just ain't happening, especially with poor choices like traditional silicon inverters. Let's say I compare to a 600cc sport bike engine, that makes 110hp, and I assume I want to use about 25% of max power on average, for a day of racing that's 3x 20min session: you're looking at 20 kwh, or about 160 lb of cells. Plus battery structure, motors, electronics. And that's ignoring having a margin for battery degradation, or maybe wanting to keep it above 20% so your performance doesn't tank at the end. Batteries just aren't competitive with high performance engines ft. a tiny gas tank that can be refilled between sessions or even during a race that allows pit stops. The scale and availability of high performance engines also means they're much more cost competitive for amateur racing as well.
why not a combustion generator for lightweight and not overheating so easily? full ev is not even resonable for even cars focused on sustinability and low emissiosn and saftey and ease of use etc, especially in the big picture perspective. of course things look a little different if comparing 1 car and another 1 car, within the comtext of the common users feelings alone
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