*Enable CC if you can't hear everything* Fun fact: this data center is so loud that most technicians wear hearing protection while at work. Obviously, that made recording audio *very* tricky. I used the best equipment I could find for the job, but if you're having a bit of trouble hearing everything, turn on CC. I did them by hand so that those of you who are hard of hearing or don't speak English as a first language can still get the most out of this episode!
I think I just creamed. Specially when they showed the X-Servs. I started out doing minecraft on one of those, really miss it. Wish MacStadium still had them for lease, couldn't find any on their website.
Lots of coming in the next few weeks! I've got a video on Tesla Autopilot, the new MacBook Air, the new Mac mini, and the new iPad! Oh, and OnePlus 6T, Pixel 3, and more. It's a busy time!
@Emily Pace All Apple has to do is bring back XServe some day and these data center "I made a bracket to hold my imacs in a rack" patents won't matter.
not necessarily, if they bought those mac mini in 2014, they have a very good price performance for a server, keep in mind that the mac mini barely consume energy and you are more interested in the number of cores than the speed and 4 cores per mac mini to only $ 499 vs spend only that in a 4 core xeon without counting the rest of the server parts, the problem is that you can not update it later, which if you can do in a common server, the xeon processors go down very fast, and you can buy a better one from that same model much cheaper
just think about the Air Force Research Laboratory that bought a lot of ps3 instead of buying a supercomputer because it came out a lot cheaper in 2010 that only cost only 2M dolars
Because for the kind of services you don't need too have redundancy. I'm 99% sure they are all build servers for continous integration development of apps. It's not a business critical point of failure if they stop working for a day or two.
curlynux ninjaDev Put your money with your mouth is. Build a PC rig, “part by part” that exactly matches this current model iMac Pro, as closely as you can. 14-core 2.3GHz Xeon W 256GB 2666MHz DDR4 EEC Memory Radeon Pro Vega 64, with 16GBs of HBM2 Memory. 4TB with two 128 GB m.2s as storage with a controller that handles security, encryption, data integrity and I/O. A 27” 5k monitor that has, Four Thunderbolt 3 ports, four USB-A ports, a 10Gb Ethernet port, an SD card reader and a headphone jack, and a keyboard with a Touch ID sensor for encrypted login, Then, tell them you’ll be ordering 10 of them and need a price for the extended warranty with Top Tier service that covers everything for 3 years. Can’t wait to hear your answer. Can’t wait. 😆Maybe you should cheat a little to save some money and buy i7s or i9s instead of the Xeons so you can claim that your favorite game is running “like a beast” to show just how much you know about workstations. Hehe. Come on down ninjaDev! Show us the money!!! Show us the money!!! Show us the money!!! 🕺🏽
@@TheSteveSteele OK, and now we could compare performance! It's pretty cool what hardware the macs got, however that doesn't matter since they always run way too hot and lack cooling!
Quinn, this is awesome. So happy to see that you've been able to pull off these new in-depth videos after graduation. Same goes with Marques and the whole lot of you. Awesome to have been on this trip with you for so long to see the progress. Stay Snazzy!
This was an awesome video! I saw that Mac stadium in the keynote and wondered what on earth it was, and you've very quickly and promptly answered that 😂 what wonderful timing! Love your stuff snazzy!!
That is impressive, in a way a very niche application. But since the US air force had made a supercomputer using PS3s, any case of "this machine is not supposed to be used like this" is not that unbelievable.
I think the confusion occurs during the purpose of building something like this. USAF connected a ton of ps3 consoles together because they were really optimized machines that graphically computed a lot for a cheaper price than getting individual video cards and computers and having to supply boards and psu to each entity. A ps3 comes with all of that in cheap well priced confined box. There is absolutely not a big enough niche that require apple macs to be linked together. Nothing they do is cost effective enough for it to be used over the parts that make up the Mac minis. Like the spokesperson mentioned, these are mainly used for emulating macOS over the cloud. Any sane person would rather own a bunch of Mac minis for their company than rent cloud Mac minis. It just doesn't make sense unless these macs are being used for something they are not telling us.
This is not NICHE. It is very much possible that the application you're using was compiled on one of these machines. Apple is the king of vendor lock-in when it comes to this. Developers cannot ship iOS apps without a Mac.
They're still very powerful, you know. But, if you bought them when they came out in 2013, it's still good. That being said there's supposed to be a refresh in 2019.
I noticed that immediately as well!! I used to own a 200SX right hand drive version that I turned into a drag car. SR20DET engine tuned for 500 HP. Man I loved that car but sold it after I gave up racing it.
Thanks for this great video that I watched 5 times. I just reconfigured my late 2013 mac pro to boot off of a thunderbolt 2 OWC Drive Dock which allows me to switch operating systems by just switching SSD's . Keep these videos coming. Thanks again
Great video. I'd be very interested to see the connections they are using and performance numbers. I'd also like to know if the cooling savings make up for the initial processor investment. Mac servers, definitely square peg in a round hole.
REALLY Cool Video!! The geek inside me would love more in depth discussions about what we're seeing, how they're being used, how they're configured and all that. Data Center work is just so different from my day-to-day work that it's like peeking behind the curtain. But great job on this vid.
I recall _Ars Technica_ doing a review of Apple’s XServe machine, back when they made servers. They ran some MySQL benchmarks, both on Apple’s own OSX Server, and on Linux, _running on the same hardware_ . And Linux beat out Apple’s own OS hands down, running the same DBMS, on Apple’s own hardware.
@@snazzy Not being an expert is what we need for things like that. Some guy that knows enough to cause trouble but is not totally clueless is the best type for giving people exposure to the BACK-END of how computer tech is used in the business world.
A nice but rather unnecessary achievement. As the Mac and PC computers still share the same x86/64 CPUs and therefore virtualization technology there is no reason you couldn’t use a classic 2x 28 Core xeon server. But the mac OS checks the bios and therefore you can’t. But on the PC you can use patches for vmware workstation which emulates the Mac bios and you can run the Mac OS just fine on not-mac hardware. And that patches also are available for common hypervisors like Vmware ESXi vSphere (instead of Windows + Vmware Workstation). The space used for two 12 C mac pros could be used for two servers with each having four (!) 28 core CPUs. So if you’d go with server hardware, you could get 224 Cores instead of 24 Cores in the same rack-space. So you can have 2 servers or 18 Mac Pros. And thanks to virtualisation you still can customize each Mac OS VM as needed regarding the core count, RAM,… No unnecessary SSDs and other stuff would have to pile up and be bought. Instead of 18 motherboards you would only have to pay for two. Instead of 18 PSUs you would only have 4 and they would be hot plugable. I understand the need for this, but due to the lack of Apple supporting x86/64 server hardware this Mac “server farm” is obviously the only legal way. But that hinders the growth of Apples business and the minute they ditch x86/64 CPUs in their computers, they will need a powerful ARM x86 emulation (which is still lacking because it will always be emulation and not virtualization) or a cloud service for legacy MAC OS x86/64 applications.
Hmm, 0.001% failure rate for the Mac Pro? That's pretty fantastic, I thought it would be higher because of the reports of GPUs blowing out. But as always, a fraction of a percent of Mac users with issues can fill...Well, a Stadium.
@@hanniffydinn6019 Not everyone who had a failure was doing something wrong, Quinn himself had two failures from that design. Really dislike that sentiment about when something goes wrong with Apple hardware, it's always the users fault, look at the keyboard jams, sometimes it's just a design flaw.
liteoner these days servers are GPU heavy, there is a whole new class of ai deep learning servers specially designed to house GPUs. It's the biggest growing server market.
@@hanniffydinn6019 I guess its because of the good air conditions in the center. Depending on where you life hardware might fail much faster, because of dust and humidity. I use pcs with dust filters as well as cleaning them regular. I can see that the design of the "new" mac pro can be a problem for consumers, to keep them clean. Not sure how difficult it is to clean them or how fast they fill up with dust, never saw one. I guess this is the reason for them to fail. In my opinion its a design flaw from apple, if they have problem in regular use, in "real world conditions".
I guess I could see it if you were using very mac specific shit like say rendering final cut or some render farm thing that was mac only based. But they are running virtual machines using vmware? I mean did they ever hear of esxi? This seems like somebody who just has a shit ton of extra money and likes to make their life harder just to be obtuse. Man, you can rent a Mac Mini i5 for $70 a month from them. Wouldn't it make more sense to just buy one for $400 off of ebay and call it a day?
@@ALurkingGrue For some companies. It's cheaper to rent servers that scales on demand, than to buy and maintain your own equipment on site. First you'll need to build a data center on your site. Next comes the utility cost of poweringthem on 24/7. Then you'll need to hire sysadmin to administer and maintain all those equipment.
@Snazzy Labs I can understand the need. Just not 100% on why the choice of hardware setup. You can Virtualize OS X using VMware. The only thing I can think of for a good reason is to validate on bare metal.
Why? It already has optimized internal airflow. Just put the round peg in the round whole to isolate the hot and cold side for proper cooling and you're good. A custom enclosure would cost way more money.
Those rack-style 2019 MacPros will lit in there. And btw Mac Mini's are meant for small-scale servers for code development and deployment, but never knew it can be scaled to this size mind blown.
Probably not easier, honestly. Not to mention, Apple would sue. Apple doesn't care about normal people like you building a hackintosh because there's no monetary loss, but if you tried to sell/provide a service running on illegitimate Macs, you'd get shut down by Apple within days.
You could get away with it for personal use but it's against the terms of use to install macos on non mac hardware so it's a no no for businesses who don't want to get sued
Apple would probably make a problem about it. Violation of their user agreement etc. specially since it's a company, commercial, usa headquarters, high-profile.
Absolute insanity! Reminds me of the PS2 / PS3 military supercomputers from back in the day, but much more polished and professional looking this go around. I wonder why 🤔
Many (if not most of their clients (I can't remember so don't quote me)), use MacStadium computers for iOS app development/building/testing. Some huge clients use a pool for a CI/CD and some customers only use a single machine for their own internal use. Depends on the needs of the client.
iOS development is literally the only use case. I can’t believe there are that many developers that would need that much power to have to outsource computing needs.
@@levyroth its cheaper to rent a portion of mac hardware if you dont need the full Mac. In fact, most companies cannot run the Mac hardware 24/7, so you never get the full value
@@Ross6041 But what would I specifically need Mac hardware for? All the applications I know like cloud storage, rendering, scientific computing, webhosting and so on are run on Linux on just a normal server hardware.
I bet Brian, the VP at MacStadium, got pretty excited when they introduced the new rack mount Mac Pro. I bet their racks are going to get pretty trippy!
I was just trying to do a fun intro. How else am I supposed to show myself driving to Las Vegas without showing a car? If I drove a 1990 Ford Taurus I would have done the same intro.
@@snazzy i'm just pulling your leg mate. however, to play devils advocate for a moment and to answer your question... you can show a journey without showing the method of transport.
PLOT TWIST: It's actually an LS swapped tesla. DOUBLE PLOT TWIST: The engine of this LS swapped Tesla came from a Camaro. Car enthusiasts will get the joke
If you wanted to test your software on MacOS or something, why would they not just use their own hardware running MacOS like a Hackintosh? Especially as it would be so much cheaper
@@Ross6041 1. Hackintosh != hackers, Apple use PC hardware, then the only difference is a firmware code for the MB. Fake the firmaware and MacOS will install and run fine. 2. Apple support is useless at a corporate/business level, I know this from experience.Although they may break their own rules for this company as they have been pushing them. My solution would be if someone really needed MacOS then you could run as a VM under a larger more-flexible system.
Why would you do this? AFAIK the most cpus in a single mac is limited to 2 intel XEONs (not ideal cpu's for datacenter work, as Opterons tend to be faster and lower power for that kind of work.). For Opterons, I know of some with up to 32 cpus on one machine (military), however you would probably be looking at 4 cpu's per rack in an ordinary server/datacenter system. The OS architecture is not designed for this either, I would either run a pure version of Unix without the overrides apple put in place limiting the network connectivity or I would run Linux. No SFP/Fibre connections for the network to run at a decent speed. Crap performance due to heat throttling on the mac minis, imacs etc. I wonder what they are actually used for? I notice they did not touch on that at all, the only time I have heard of this company for anything is as a mac advertisement. I use renderfarms regularly, cloud VM systems etc. and have never heard of them.
@@zadintuvas1 Yeah, if you are writing purely natively and not for cross-platform compatible systems using Xamarin or your own conversion libraries, I guess I could see the point. But how many pieces of software are iOS only these days. If you have a dev machine already then you could just run MacOS inside a VM using the correct settings and get as many processors and RAM as you need, I worked up a rendering machine many years ago with 256GB of RAM & 4 CPUs. SuperMicro currently have a 2U pre-built system with up to 6TB ECC DDR 4 RAM and 4 Xeons, you could run a bunch of VM's on that sucker....now that I have seen it, I need to convince myself I don't need it....
@@zadintuvas1 Yes it would be perfectly legal as long as the system was clearly stated as what it was and was not mis-represented. A EULA is not a law, you may breach the TERMS of the agreement, resulting in them being able to avoid giving you updates/support etc. however if you have paid for the software (as they do charge for it as a standalone) and are not selling the setup as an 'apple' device etc. then it is not in breach of international copyright laws. In Australia, if Apple tried to sue you for this (charging for people to access your VM setup) then they would be in breach of our consumer rights laws as well as our competition laws. Hell in Australia they would have to show that you had substantially damaged or altered the product to not receive a normally free update. The fact that Apple allow a VM to run of MacOS and iOS on a PC (as long as a mac is connected on the network, it actually runs the vm on the PC) through Visual Studio, puts them in a worse position legally as it shows that it can be run and that Apple does allow it under some circumstances. The actual laws in regards to EULAs are a bit odd. Some places take them as a fully legally binding document, some they are considered legal in only so far as it extends to support/updating of the product going forward from the breach. In Australia the EULA is legal as long as it does not contravene any Australian consumer laws (it does in several places), as long as it is not completely one-sided (Australian contract law), as long as the purchaser has had ample opportunity to read it prior to purchase, and as long as the EULA is written in everyday English. So it's complicated, but given that Apple got done for $9m (+ refund and replacement of every affected device) over the update that bricked iPhones with replacement, non-apple screens I would say Aus law is on my side here.
@Slip Och 4 way cpu is slowly being abandoned due to big loss of performance and only used when there is no other way (big mem nodes), so dual cpu's is the standard. i don't think macos will work with 32 cpu's system and these are like you said highly custom (military) and i guess they also run on custom software. All these macs are (as the company said) used by people who want to run or develop apps for macos and they need a pure macos enviroment.
dunno the minis look like a waste of time and money, the pros maybe worth for a while if they can get them in very low price.btw total storage capacity 44TB? i know its nvme but still the prices for nvme and ssd have droped like crazy, 2TB ssamsung nvme ~500$ or less. and last, how many developers for macos don't already have a mac and need mac as service?
Agree with all the below , never new a company could make use of all those macs although the ratio compared to slandered intel machines and running Linux with kvm must be astonishing
Like, I know you were actually there, but everything looks weirdly like it was greenscreened in. I think it's just that the background looks so surreal!
No ECC Ram, no Power management, dependence on only one reseler, no swapable drives>. I see no advantages of this, also the fist thing search is the power effisciency, Xserve were catastrophics, Mac mini are and a lot more efiscient in power than Xeons or Qualcom ARM server. My main question, what do they do to have machines with no redondency, security of any kind, so data inside are not essentials, I do not see the interest of the Mac mini for this, thousand of PC can do the same for a fraction of the cost.
Thanks...I have nowhere near the number of Macs that Mac Stadium has, but, thanks for this video, I have reconfigured my mac mini and mac pro network to maximize their use. Great configuration at Mac Stadium, but I can develop my apps on my system...thanks for sharing
Wouldn’t it be more cost effective to build everything in Linux and deploy MacOS VM’s through it? Logistically it isn’t cost effective if there’s a (successful) cyber attack. I mean it is possible to run MacOS as a VM, because I and a few others have done it.
J Dev they already deploy MacOS virtually. So technically it isn’t unless their licensing states that it violating their copyright. But for a company as large as they are I am pretty sure they can negotiate a licensing agreement with Apple. Besides check the changes on the DRM laws.
@@abaracskai They deploy macOS virtually on macOS which is legal. And hell will freeze over before Apple as much as picks up the phone if "a company as large as they are" calls because they're too tiny.
@Meso Phyl Well they do make it available, as long as the VMs are being run on a Mac. And yes, dropping the marketshare, axing the xServe and beating macOS Server down to a bluddy pulp never made any sense at all. Probably because, you know… courage or something.
Meso Phyl apple already make more profit than any company on earth !!! Why do they even need to fuck around with data centres ??? Data centres are all moving away from x86 to arm thunder anyway, as arm servers take less power and just as fast as Intel Xeons.
Although I'm not a Mac user, and I think that standard server hardware running Linux is much more cost efficient than this, and the only reason this exist is for legal reasons instead of hardware/physical reasons, there is that cool sci fi feeling when I see racks filled with Xserves and Mac Pros
Alot of our customers are ditching the tape libraries and moving in those Pure Storage devices. Suckers are amazing and take up less foot print than whole IBM racks.
Lol... You know how I know most of you haven't worked in datacentres or even small scale mainframes? It's not apple hate... I've said before in life I'm a big fan of their watch line... And I fully applauded Jobs' move on ditching macOs to unix, as well as his entry level iphone and ipod work... His people were better than Gates' people... The closed garden model failed for blackberry, and it will fail for non-Jobs apple because cook et al aren't Steve Jobs... However.... The world of servers are designed to work well and openly with everything from hvac systems to electrical panels to heavy machinery and cnc to full company networks to government security protocols that never make sense alllll the way to legacy support... It's only in current support where apple thrives, because their business model doesn't allow for "cheapest and most secure and adaptive", which is why, and I kid you not, 80%+ of servers are run on Linux... Not unix, no more sparc or sun servers, still a hefty amount of windows boxes tho... Apple went after the cool look and fashion market... Windows went educational and business... Companies are always cheap frugal jerks who don't pay up... Most use Linux... It's free, has more security than osx or windows, isn't as complicated as freebsd... And massive support... business doesn't care if they're cool, as long as you buy their shit.... And fyi, I'm a commodore fanboy
*Enable CC if you can't hear everything* Fun fact: this data center is so loud that most technicians wear hearing protection while at work. Obviously, that made recording audio *very* tricky. I used the best equipment I could find for the job, but if you're having a bit of trouble hearing everything, turn on CC. I did them by hand so that those of you who are hard of hearing or don't speak English as a first language can still get the most out of this episode!
No shade, have you already run it through a noise filter?
If not, I'd watch a video seeing how clean it can get. Maybe a bit off topic though.
Just think how much less stress that guy would have if they let your run OSX in a VM or still made the xserve
Why not use a lavalier mic?
Thank you for the subtitles, we appreciate it
Subtitle are generated by youtube. Works on any video. May not be accurate though . @@ag992009
Just imagine the sound of all those Mac mini’s starting at the same exact time
This is what I imagine heaven would sound like '-'
Or hell
I think I just creamed. Specially when they showed the X-Servs. I started out doing minecraft on one of those, really miss it. Wish MacStadium still had them for lease, couldn't find any on their website.
The boing heard 'round the world!
Like Bart Simpson and all those megaphones
Great video Quinn and I look forward to more of the new series.
Thanks, Aaron!
Hackintosh is illegal if not used on their native hardware if they do they will be sued by apple
@@abhijeetsinghdandian it's illegal to sell hackintosh, using hackintosh is not illegal
He finally is making good on the amount of videos he said he’d make. Snazzy!
Lots of coming in the next few weeks! I've got a video on Tesla Autopilot, the new MacBook Air, the new Mac mini, and the new iPad! Oh, and OnePlus 6T, Pixel 3, and more. It's a busy time!
Code for he decided to give up any sense of a personal life
MacStadium : "We've patented these custom racks." I see they have Apple in their blood too.
The last thing they want is to have a competitor set up shop using the solution MacStadium came up with to undercut their market share.
not just the rack, but how you put it into the rack and make all the connections!
@Emily Pace All Apple has to do is bring back XServe some day and these data center "I made a bracket to hold my imacs in a rack" patents won't matter.
its a cult..even the plastic in the box is wonderful for a mac fanboy
@@WarrenPostma xserve was never deployed in important companies it there was any
These must be the least cost efficient servers on the planet.
In Japan, what computers do they use? Mac Mini?
not necessarily, if they bought those mac mini in 2014, they have a very good price performance for a server, keep in mind that the mac mini barely consume energy and you are more interested in the number of cores than the speed and 4 cores per mac mini to only $ 499 vs spend only that in a 4 core xeon without counting the rest of the server parts, the problem is that you can not update it later, which if you can do in a common server, the xeon processors go down very fast, and you can buy a better one from that same model much cheaper
just think about the Air Force Research Laboratory that bought a lot of ps3 instead of buying a supercomputer because it came out a lot cheaper in 2010 that only cost only 2M dolars
@@santooo123 I don't understand how they're able to do that and put together the power of so many machines.
It’s not about them being ‘servers’. They are used by developers to run Xcode and build iOS apps.
I'd genuinely like to see Louis Rossman's reaction to this.
He’d only really be able to comment on Mac repair tactics. This is for specific distributed or co-located projects.
He is way too busy Bitching about life in NY city..... I cant even watch him anymore, he has turned DARK
@SeppuKun Takes one to know one bud.
@@RussellD11 basically turned professional material to a personal video vlog...shame.
"I want the least efficient data center possible with non-server class hardware and no redundancy"
This guy: "Hold my beer"
lol nice one this comment should get its upvotes multiplied by 10. even if it's not completely true, I still like to think it is haha
Ok, so just some nonsense you need to post for no reason.
Because for the kind of services you don't need too have redundancy. I'm 99% sure they are all build servers for continous integration development of apps. It's not a business critical point of failure if they stop working for a day or two.
curlynux ninjaDev Put your money with your mouth is. Build a PC rig, “part by part” that exactly matches this current model iMac Pro, as closely as you can.
14-core 2.3GHz Xeon W
256GB 2666MHz DDR4 EEC Memory
Radeon Pro Vega 64, with 16GBs of HBM2 Memory.
4TB with two 128 GB m.2s as storage with a controller that handles security, encryption, data integrity and I/O.
A 27” 5k monitor that has, Four Thunderbolt 3 ports, four USB-A ports, a 10Gb Ethernet port, an SD card reader and a headphone jack, and a keyboard with a Touch ID sensor for encrypted login, Then, tell them you’ll be ordering 10 of them and need a price for the extended warranty with Top Tier service that covers everything for 3 years. Can’t wait to hear your answer. Can’t wait. 😆Maybe you should cheat a little to save some money and buy i7s or i9s instead of the Xeons so you can claim that your favorite game is running “like a beast” to show just how much you know about workstations. Hehe. Come on down ninjaDev! Show us the money!!! Show us the money!!! Show us the money!!! 🕺🏽
@@TheSteveSteele OK, and now we could compare performance! It's pretty cool what hardware the macs got, however that doesn't matter since they always run way too hot and lack cooling!
Oh damn you’ve stepped up your game!
Thanks, Keegan!
He’s gotta afford that Tesla some how 🤣🤣🤣
was there a "why" in the video? didn't catch that.
And how is the price vs regular server stuff?
Quinn, this is awesome. So happy to see that you've been able to pull off these new in-depth videos after graduation. Same goes with Marques and the whole lot of you. Awesome to have been on this trip with you for so long to see the progress. Stay Snazzy!
Thanks so much Oliver! It's fun for me to finally see parts of my vision for the channel come together little by little.
This was an awesome video! I saw that Mac stadium in the keynote and wondered what on earth it was, and you've very quickly and promptly answered that 😂 what wonderful timing! Love your stuff snazzy!!
Cheers!
now they gotta replace them all with the new ones
I'm sure they'll be happy to. They're running hardware more than 4-years-old! lol.
Snazzy Labs imagine running IMacs as servers. That’d be really difficult
I wonder if they'll still get the Ethernet in the ones or still use the thunderbolt for the internet connection
it's a tax write-off anyway...
For free
Can one emoji character take down an entire data center?
Hopefully.
Lmao....
Of course. They're Macs, what did you expect?!
@@gillohner8179 XD-R 🤣🤣😜🥪
That is impressive, in a way a very niche application. But since the US air force had made a supercomputer using PS3s, any case of "this machine is not supposed to be used like this" is not that unbelievable.
I think the confusion occurs during the purpose of building something like this. USAF connected a ton of ps3 consoles together because they were really optimized machines that graphically computed a lot for a cheaper price than getting individual video cards and computers and having to supply boards and psu to each entity. A ps3 comes with all of that in cheap well priced confined box.
There is absolutely not a big enough niche that require apple macs to be linked together. Nothing they do is cost effective enough for it to be used over the parts that make up the Mac minis. Like the spokesperson mentioned, these are mainly used for emulating macOS over the cloud. Any sane person would rather own a bunch of Mac minis for their company than rent cloud Mac minis. It just doesn't make sense unless these macs are being used for something they are not telling us.
At one point the Iraqis had tried to build a supercomputer with PS2s and Linux.
There are Raspberry Pi cloud hosting services...
@@SoldererOfFortune yeah but alot of their purposes aren't to act as remote rasberry pis they are to act as real servers
This is not NICHE.
It is very much possible that the application you're using was compiled on one of these machines. Apple is the king of vendor lock-in when it comes to this. Developers cannot ship iOS apps without a Mac.
Linus tech tips should make a react of this! 😂
He wouldn't waste his time with this xD
Awesome video! Keep up the A+ work MacStadium, love what you’re doing!
I was wondering why they where still selling the super outdated Mac Pro, this guys are buying them all!!!!!!
They're still very powerful, you know. But, if you bought them when they came out in 2013, it's still good. That being said there's supposed to be a refresh in 2019.
@@cartonet8186 they are inefficient
I Shazam'd both songs and found they aren't available on Apple Music or Spotify. How the heck did you get these? Great job.
someone in this company have a nissan 240sx lmao 7:30
Ah, I See You're a Man of Culture As Well
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.
You get a 240 with any mac purchase
I noticed that immediately as well!! I used to own a 200SX right hand drive version that I turned into a drag car. SR20DET engine tuned for 500 HP. Man I loved that car but sold it after I gave up racing it.
Can't believe how clean it is.
Thanks for this great video that I watched 5 times. I just reconfigured my late 2013 mac pro to boot off of a thunderbolt 2 OWC Drive Dock which allows me to switch operating systems by just switching SSD's . Keep these videos coming. Thanks again
Lol tapped it the minute I got the notification.
NO WAIT
Jeez you really started pushing into making more videos! I like where it's going!
Great video. I'd be very interested to see the connections they are using and performance numbers. I'd also like to know if the cooling savings make up for the initial processor investment. Mac servers, definitely square peg in a round hole.
REALLY Cool Video!! The geek inside me would love more in depth discussions about what we're seeing, how they're being used, how they're configured and all that. Data Center work is just so different from my day-to-day work that it's like peeking behind the curtain. But great job on this vid.
Wow what a great intro! A+
I recall _Ars Technica_ doing a review of Apple’s XServe machine, back when they made servers. They ran some MySQL benchmarks, both on Apple’s own OSX Server, and on Linux, _running on the same hardware_ . And Linux beat out Apple’s own OS hands down, running the same DBMS, on Apple’s own hardware.
This is so cool! Thanks for sharing! Never knew there were a whole data center filled with Mac's!
7:25 dat clean 240sx NOICE, also amazing work keep it up
They will be loving the Mac Pro 2019 rack
Nice to see there are still Macs being used in Server, and enterprise settings!
Apple : We're making a new Xserve!
Mac stadium : Shut up and take my money!!!!!
Super cool idea of “I made This” series, can’t wait for the next one. The music is awesome!
Thanks a ton, Adam.
totaly love the 1980's synth music
I love videos like this. Most people have no clue how data centers work.
I'm no expert either! So it was fun to get a close look at one.
@@snazzy Not being an expert is what we need for things like that. Some guy that knows enough to cause trouble but is not totally clueless is the best type for giving people exposure to the BACK-END of how computer tech is used in the business world.
Very nice!
hi
Wow, great job with the mixing and music. And kudos for having CC. Way to set a positive example for other RUclipsrs!
RIP Xserve :(
It was such a good 'lil dude. Super loud. But good. RIP.
@@snazzy bring back the Xserve
xserve is bad graphic onboard suck better off with a mac pro
I'm surprised they don't being Xserve back as there's a bit of a demand for development Macs.
@@fullfunk cuz there servers, you dont have a monitor connected to them. You just remote into them to control it or you can ssh into them.
Would love to see a 2022 follow up to this 🤔
Would love to have Quinn back, we have expanded so much!
A nice but rather unnecessary achievement. As the Mac and PC computers still share the same x86/64 CPUs and therefore virtualization technology there is no reason you couldn’t use a classic 2x 28 Core xeon server. But the mac OS checks the bios and therefore you can’t. But on the PC you can use patches for vmware workstation which emulates the Mac bios and you can run the Mac OS just fine on not-mac hardware. And that patches also are available for common hypervisors like Vmware ESXi vSphere (instead of Windows + Vmware Workstation).
The space used for two 12 C mac pros could be used for two servers with each having four (!) 28 core CPUs. So if you’d go with server hardware, you could get 224 Cores instead of 24 Cores in the same rack-space. So you can have 2 servers or 18 Mac Pros. And thanks to virtualisation you still can customize each Mac OS VM as needed regarding the core count, RAM,… No unnecessary SSDs and other stuff would have to pile up and be bought. Instead of 18 motherboards you would only have to pay for two. Instead of 18 PSUs you would only have 4 and they would be hot plugable.
I understand the need for this, but due to the lack of Apple supporting x86/64 server hardware this Mac “server farm” is obviously the only legal way. But that hinders the growth of Apples business and the minute they ditch x86/64 CPUs in their computers, they will need a powerful ARM x86 emulation (which is still lacking because it will always be emulation and not virtualization) or a cloud service for legacy MAC OS x86/64 applications.
Hmm, 0.001% failure rate for the Mac Pro? That's pretty fantastic, I thought it would be higher because of the reports of GPUs blowing out. But as always, a fraction of a percent of Mac users with issues can fill...Well, a Stadium.
tipoomaster servers are usually not GPU-heavy
@@liteoner It's hosting macs-as-a-service, so someone renting a Mac Pro would presumably often have a GPGPU load.
@@hanniffydinn6019 Not everyone who had a failure was doing something wrong, Quinn himself had two failures from that design. Really dislike that sentiment about when something goes wrong with Apple hardware, it's always the users fault, look at the keyboard jams, sometimes it's just a design flaw.
liteoner these days servers are GPU heavy, there is a whole new class of ai deep learning servers specially designed to house GPUs. It's the biggest growing server market.
@@hanniffydinn6019 I guess its because of the good air conditions in the center. Depending on where you life hardware might fail much faster, because of dust and humidity. I use pcs with dust filters as well as cleaning them regular. I can see that the design of the "new" mac pro can be a problem for consumers, to keep them clean. Not sure how difficult it is to clean them or how fast they fill up with dust, never saw one. I guess this is the reason for them to fail.
In my opinion its a design flaw from apple, if they have problem in regular use, in "real world conditions".
Could've sold one of those iMac Pro screens to LinusTechTips
nice :D
Incredible work! Thank you!
No joke I actually got a data center ad lol
And this is why Apple sells rack mount Mac Pros.
But....WHY? Still trying to figure out why it's overpriced Consumer Hardware vs Overpriced Enterprise hardware?
I guess I could see it if you were using very mac specific shit like say rendering final cut or some render farm thing that was mac only based. But they are running virtual machines using vmware? I mean did they ever hear of esxi? This seems like somebody who just has a shit ton of extra money and likes to make their life harder just to be obtuse.
Man, you can rent a Mac Mini i5 for $70 a month from them. Wouldn't it make more sense to just buy one for $400 off of ebay and call it a day?
There are lots of uses/needs for Mac in the data center. Compiling/building/testing iOS app development, VDI, unique SaaS services, etc.
@@ALurkingGrue or you could just make a hackintosh
@@ALurkingGrue For some companies. It's cheaper to rent servers that scales on demand, than to buy and maintain your own equipment on site. First you'll need to build a data center on your site. Next comes the utility cost of poweringthem on 24/7. Then you'll need to hire sysadmin to administer and maintain all those equipment.
@Snazzy Labs I can understand the need. Just not 100% on why the choice of hardware setup. You can Virtualize OS X using VMware. The only thing I can think of for a good reason is to validate on bare metal.
Great production quality! Keep 'em coming snazzy.
Thanks, Dennis!
That's crazy, I am surprised they didn't just build a custom enclosure for imac pro motherboards, rather than using the whole unit.
Why? It already has optimized internal airflow. Just put the round peg in the round whole to isolate the hot and cold side for proper cooling and you're good. A custom enclosure would cost way more money.
Cool video - that PureStorage box looking like Iron Man!!
LMFAO what a joke, "we patented laying a trash can on it's side"
Those rack-style 2019 MacPros will lit in there. And btw Mac Mini's are meant for small-scale servers for code development and deployment, but never knew it can be scaled to this size mind blown.
Wouldn't creating hackingtosh on servers easier and cheaper?
Or just run Linux on the server like literally everyone else lol
Probably not easier, honestly. Not to mention, Apple would sue. Apple doesn't care about normal people like you building a hackintosh because there's no monetary loss, but if you tried to sell/provide a service running on illegitimate Macs, you'd get shut down by Apple within days.
You could get away with it for personal use but it's against the terms of use to install macos on non mac hardware so it's a no no for businesses who don't want to get sued
not as reliable as this
Apple would probably make a problem about it. Violation of their user agreement etc. specially since it's a company, commercial, usa headquarters, high-profile.
Absolute insanity! Reminds me of the PS2 / PS3 military supercomputers from back in the day, but much more polished and professional looking this go around. I wonder why 🤔
IS THAT A CLEAN 240SX?!?! 7:28
Yes
Saw that too
And what appears to be a Focus RS in the reflection
Easily one of my favorite videos. Absolutely love the format and the shots of the model 3
This is really cool and all but can someone explain to me what point of using macs as data center hardware is? What is the advantage?
Many (if not most of their clients (I can't remember so don't quote me)), use MacStadium computers for iOS app development/building/testing. Some huge clients use a pool for a CI/CD and some customers only use a single machine for their own internal use. Depends on the needs of the client.
@@snazzy Thank Quinn! Love your stuff and I suppose this makes sense as I didn't realize you needed the hardware for the VM (is it a vm at that point)
iOS development is literally the only use case. I can’t believe there are that many developers that would need that much power to have to outsource computing needs.
@Meso Phyl There is, it's how they run Playstation Now.
@Luca Rossi negative it takes far to much power to emulate. But that may change in a few years
This is one of the reason why summer is getting hotter each year :-)
*Hell, why don't we all start using Chrome OS & Gatorade instead of Shampoo*
If you have to go evil go Chromium, Chrome is proprietary.
To be fair, ChromeOS is pretty good.
@@MrHendrikje its depends on needs
@@MrHendrikje macos and ios are much better
@@MrHendrikje Of course it is! Evil wants you to use this so they can sell your behavioristics.
This is gonna be great, look forward to new vids like this one.
That S-Chassis though
Great video Quinn. Glad to see your sharing your new video series with us on RUclips. Hope, to see a lot of these videos. (:
IJustine: "I'm in heaven"
Great video and really snazzy 😉 Love it and can’t wait for the next video!
100.000$ on what?
A house?
A lambo?
A nice hotel to live in for a while?
Nah, I just buy some macs to...
EARN MORE MONEY!
or just buy winrar
@Meso Phyl because they are virtual machines. they aren't nvidia
@Meso Phyl No time to game when you're making money
And that’s how they escaped the capitalist trap for the proletariat. KKomrade
Dude, this is so dope! Awesome to see you step up the game. Keep going!
Thanks a ton!! D:
Such a dope video. All the B-Roll of the Tesla was so crisp. Love watching that quality continue to skyrocket.
I still don't understand what they do as a company ...
they sell you a Mac OS cloud server. Just a server you can access over the internet.
@@Ross6041 But why would you need this?
@@levyroth its cheaper to rent a portion of mac hardware if you dont need the full Mac. In fact, most companies cannot run the Mac hardware 24/7, so you never get the full value
@@ScottXDavidson Epic, thanks for the great answer. Got it now.
@@Ross6041 But what would I specifically need Mac hardware for? All the applications I know like cloud storage, rendering, scientific computing, webhosting and so on are run on Linux on just a normal server hardware.
I bet Brian, the VP at MacStadium, got pretty excited when they introduced the new rack mount Mac Pro. I bet their racks are going to get pretty trippy!
Why didn't you make the whole video 4:3? I was enjoying that aspect ratio!
Zee-Al-Eid Ahmad Rana Because it looks like crap lol
Not to mention the VHS filter 😅
love the dedication to the closed captions
LOOK AT MY TESLA
LOOK AT MY TESLA
LOOK AT MY TESLA
I was just trying to do a fun intro. How else am I supposed to show myself driving to Las Vegas without showing a car? If I drove a 1990 Ford Taurus I would have done the same intro.
@@snazzy The Tesla looks good. More videos with M3 please
@@snazzy i'm just pulling your leg mate. however, to play devils advocate for a moment and to answer your question... you can show a journey without showing the method of transport.
PLOT TWIST: It's actually an LS swapped tesla. DOUBLE PLOT TWIST: The engine of this LS swapped Tesla came from a Camaro.
Car enthusiasts will get the joke
@@snazzy now if that 1990 Taurus was a modded SHO sleeper, THAT would be a fun intro! :)
This video is so awesome, can't wait to see what else you do with this series!
When apple fan boys try to build a mining farm :-)
"Now this shit's about to kick off, this party looks wack. Let's take it back to straight hip-hop and start it from scratch"
If you wanted to test your software on MacOS or something, why would they not just use their own hardware running MacOS like a Hackintosh? Especially as it would be so much cheaper
because hackintosh is in fact not mac hardware lmao
they need Apple support if anything goes wrong. You cannot rely on a bunch of hackers to support your datacenter.
@@Ross6041 1. Hackintosh != hackers, Apple use PC hardware, then the only difference is a firmware code for the MB. Fake the firmaware and MacOS will install and run fine.
2. Apple support is useless at a corporate/business level, I know this from experience.Although they may break their own rules for this company as they have been pushing them.
My solution would be if someone really needed MacOS then you could run as a VM under a larger more-flexible system.
because not all people are stupid like you
Pretty rad that they're in a zColo facility. I work for their parent company monitoring the network.
Why would you do this?
AFAIK the most cpus in a single mac is limited to 2 intel XEONs (not ideal cpu's for datacenter work, as Opterons tend to be faster and lower power for that kind of work.).
For Opterons, I know of some with up to 32 cpus on one machine (military), however you would probably be looking at 4 cpu's per rack in an ordinary server/datacenter system.
The OS architecture is not designed for this either, I would either run a pure version of Unix without the overrides apple put in place limiting the network connectivity or I would run Linux.
No SFP/Fibre connections for the network to run at a decent speed.
Crap performance due to heat throttling on the mac minis, imacs etc.
I wonder what they are actually used for? I notice they did not touch on that at all, the only time I have heard of this company for anything is as a mac advertisement. I use renderfarms regularly, cloud VM systems etc. and have never heard of them.
My guess would be for compiling iOS apps.
@@zadintuvas1 Yeah, if you are writing purely natively and not for cross-platform compatible systems using Xamarin or your own conversion libraries, I guess I could see the point. But how many pieces of software are iOS only these days. If you have a dev machine already then you could just run MacOS inside a VM using the correct settings and get as many processors and RAM as you need, I worked up a rendering machine many years ago with 256GB of RAM & 4 CPUs. SuperMicro currently have a 2U pre-built system with up to 6TB ECC DDR 4 RAM and 4 Xeons, you could run a bunch of VM's on that sucker....now that I have seen it, I need to convince myself I don't need it....
@@slipoch6635 You could, but it would not be legal. And people who buy those services care if something is legal or not.
@@zadintuvas1 Yes it would be perfectly legal as long as the system was clearly stated as what it was and was not mis-represented.
A EULA is not a law, you may breach the TERMS of the agreement, resulting in them being able to avoid giving you updates/support etc. however if you have paid for the software (as they do charge for it as a standalone) and are not selling the setup as an 'apple' device etc. then it is not in breach of international copyright laws. In Australia, if Apple tried to sue you for this (charging for people to access your VM setup) then they would be in breach of our consumer rights laws as well as our competition laws. Hell in Australia they would have to show that you had substantially damaged or altered the product to not receive a normally free update.
The fact that Apple allow a VM to run of MacOS and iOS on a PC (as long as a mac is connected on the network, it actually runs the vm on the PC) through Visual Studio, puts them in a worse position legally as it shows that it can be run and that Apple does allow it under some circumstances.
The actual laws in regards to EULAs are a bit odd. Some places take them as a fully legally binding document, some they are considered legal in only so far as it extends to support/updating of the product going forward from the breach. In Australia the EULA is legal as long as it does not contravene any Australian consumer laws (it does in several places), as long as it is not completely one-sided (Australian contract law), as long as the purchaser has had ample opportunity to read it prior to purchase, and as long as the EULA is written in everyday English.
So it's complicated, but given that Apple got done for $9m (+ refund and replacement of every affected device) over the update that bricked iPhones with replacement, non-apple screens I would say Aus law is on my side here.
@Slip Och 4 way cpu is slowly being abandoned due to big loss of performance and only used when there is no other way (big mem nodes), so dual cpu's is the standard. i don't think macos will work with 32 cpu's system and these are like you said highly custom (military) and i guess they also run on custom software. All these macs are (as the company said) used by people who want to run or develop apps for macos and they need a pure macos enviroment.
I use to work for a college that we started ordering Mac mini's instead of Dell PCs. With dual boot, it's a great value.
I feel the thermal throttling way over here half way across the globe...
Thanks for doing this. I was really keen to get a look at these data centres too after the keynote.
dunno the minis look like a waste of time and money, the pros maybe worth for a while if they can get them in very low price.btw total storage capacity 44TB? i know its nvme but still the prices for nvme and ssd have droped like crazy, 2TB ssamsung nvme ~500$ or less. and last, how many developers for macos don't already have a mac and need mac as service?
geo nik you don’t put consumer grade nvme ssd for a data centre.
He said storage is all virtualized over SAN fibre channel.
That was a Purestorage SAN which is top of the line. That 44TB is pushing close to $500k.
@@NeatDramFan $500k? What a ripoff
Doesn't cost much more to get 1.5PB (1500TB) of XIV...
Agree with all the below , never new a company could make use of all those macs although the ratio compared to slandered intel machines and running Linux with kvm must be astonishing
Beautiful editing and style
😍
No his video
I know it’s a pain to do for every video, but the closed captions were well appreciated!
Here comes the money!!!
IT'S KNACK, BABY!
Like, I know you were actually there, but everything looks weirdly like it was greenscreened in. I think it's just that the background looks so surreal!
No ECC Ram, no Power management, dependence on only one reseler, no swapable drives>. I see no advantages of this, also the fist thing search is the power effisciency, Xserve were catastrophics, Mac mini are and a lot more efiscient in power than Xeons or Qualcom ARM server.
My main question, what do they do to have machines with no redondency, security of any kind, so data inside are not essentials, I do not see the interest of the Mac mini for this, thousand of PC can do the same for a fraction of the cost.
Inwe David that’s for iOS development and mdm etc
I swear people don't actually watch vids and just comment sheesh
Thanks...I have nowhere near the number of Macs that Mac Stadium has, but, thanks for this video, I have reconfigured my mac mini and mac pro network to maximize their use. Great configuration at Mac Stadium, but I can develop my apps on my system...thanks for sharing
youtuber 🅱️🅾️iiii
This is really cool! Love the Mac Mini Farm!
Holy crap you need to nuke that hideous outro music from orbit.
Great work Quinn!
3:26 That's a lot of trash cans!
This has to be your best Video Yet , Fantastic Content , and brilliant editing . Well done , Fascinating Video !
Thanks, Emma!
Wouldn’t it be more cost effective to build everything in Linux and deploy MacOS VM’s through it? Logistically it isn’t cost effective if there’s a (successful) cyber attack. I mean it is possible to run MacOS as a VM, because I and a few others have done it.
technically is illegal
J Dev they already deploy MacOS virtually. So technically it isn’t unless their licensing states that it violating their copyright. But for a company as large as they are I am pretty sure they can negotiate a licensing agreement with Apple. Besides check the changes on the DRM laws.
@@abaracskai They deploy macOS virtually on macOS which is legal. And hell will freeze over before Apple as much as picks up the phone if "a company as large as they are" calls because they're too tiny.
@Meso Phyl Well they do make it available, as long as the VMs are being run on a Mac. And yes, dropping the marketshare, axing the xServe and beating macOS Server down to a bluddy pulp never made any sense at all. Probably because, you know… courage or something.
Meso Phyl apple already make more profit than any company on earth !!! Why do they even need to fuck around with data centres ???
Data centres are all moving away from x86 to arm thunder anyway, as arm servers take less power and just as fast as Intel Xeons.
Nice video Quinn, looking forward to more episodes in the series
Looking forward to bringing them!
"Macs have low heat"
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
But But, But the i9 Mac Book Pros had a heat problem for several weeks until they fixed it, so that's all of them. Right?
Although I'm not a Mac user, and I think that standard server hardware running Linux is much more cost efficient than this, and the only reason this exist is for legal reasons instead of hardware/physical reasons, there is that cool sci fi feeling when I see racks filled with Xserves and Mac Pros
Cool
Alot of our customers are ditching the tape libraries and moving in those Pure Storage devices. Suckers are amazing and take up less foot print than whole IBM racks.
This is what you get with Apple. Tons of desktop computers in the wrong place instead of proper servers.
you dont get their business model right?
@@RabbitConfirmed You mean, overpricing their servers?
@@RabbitConfirmed grift the consumer? Oh, we get it alright ;)
Lol... You know how I know most of you haven't worked in datacentres or even small scale mainframes? It's not apple hate... I've said before in life I'm a big fan of their watch line... And I fully applauded Jobs' move on ditching macOs to unix, as well as his entry level iphone and ipod work... His people were better than Gates' people... The closed garden model failed for blackberry, and it will fail for non-Jobs apple because cook et al aren't Steve Jobs... However.... The world of servers are designed to work well and openly with everything from hvac systems to electrical panels to heavy machinery and cnc to full company networks to government security protocols that never make sense alllll the way to legacy support... It's only in current support where apple thrives, because their business model doesn't allow for "cheapest and most secure and adaptive", which is why, and I kid you not, 80%+ of servers are run on Linux... Not unix, no more sparc or sun servers, still a hefty amount of windows boxes tho... Apple went after the cool look and fashion market... Windows went educational and business... Companies are always cheap frugal jerks who don't pay up... Most use Linux... It's free, has more security than osx or windows, isn't as complicated as freebsd... And massive support... business doesn't care if they're cool, as long as you buy their shit....
And fyi, I'm a commodore fanboy
@@jamesgibson4275 erm. unix is the backbone of linux and lots of operating systems. tf