Thanks mate. There were a few ups and downs along the way...but, yes I really enjoyed the challenges of the build. The result has made it very worth while.
Thanks for finally convincing me to build my own. Just much lighter mid weight using a Kawazaki Z400 as the donor bike and transplanting Versys 300 suspension and wheels. The 400 twin has low down and linear torque all the way up to 8K rpm where it peaks and not as revvy as the Versys 300 with the old Ninja 300 engine.
Seriously though..great build!.. I've had 3 GSA Adventure bikes and was amazed what they can do given they weigh nearly 1/4 of a ton !.. keep up the entertaining content
The R1200 is actually the lightest of the GS platforms in the past 20 years. The new R1300 is heavier than the R1200. Also, if you strip down the R1200, it can be made quite light--witness the BMW HP2.
Thanks. That is definitely what I'll be testing this week. Initial testing upto 80kph (50mph) shows smooth airflow and no buffeting. Fingers crossed for the highway speed test. Stay tuned and I'll have an update soon.
AWESOME!! Damn it looks cool. You could've milked this build way more with videos. But I really look forward to seeing what it can do. Congrats on an awesome project!!
Great to see someone not blowing $35000+ on the latest exotica but having a go themselves. I’ve been doing that for a long time. At first I had high hopes you would make a Goldwing Adv but I’m sure Honda will market one eventually.
Thanks, I must have some distance Scottish ancestry because I could not bring myself to pay that sort of money... Even if I could afford it. I thing my 2010 1200 GSA is the sweet spot for performance, reliability and simplicity. I like it's analogue gauges and simple controls. It's has all the electronic safety I need but can be easily switched off when desired.
Your bike looks superb, unlike the new GSA! If only a mother could love yours (as one contributor suggests) she’d drown that. Looking forward to the next real test!
Haha... Thanks. BMW tried to steal my thunder by releasing theirs a few days before mine. Perhaps they could have used another few days in the design studio!
In years past, I had a GS 1200, loved it. Once off road I had a very light drop to the side (was literally doing about 3-4 km/h on muddy section, lost the front and then also foot slipped trying to hold it). Soft drop to the right. Ended up with a deep gouge and small hole in the right side engine cover thanks to a small carefully placed rock on the floor.... Take it from me, you can remove all the things you did, but keep the engine guard... In fact I ended up mounting both a protective aftermarket aluminium cover, and engine guards. Never had an issue again, even after a few knarly falls. Worth the very marginal weight penalty.
I like it I had a 2012 R1200RT best road bike I have ever had loved the engine. It was actually a little lighter than the GS1200. I have bought a new Transalp which suits me and I have been pleasantly surprised by how capable it is for my limited ability. My CRF300 rally is having major engine repairs under warranty the only one I’ve ever heard of and it has to be mine a valve shim came loose one morning and when they investigated it found damage to the piston barrel and head they said it looked like it had been detonating. And of course some of the parts were not available in Australia. I hope to get it back at the end of the month. They have had it since the end of April.
Dam, sorry to hear about your CRF. Hopefully you'll get it back soon. I hadn't ridden a BMW 1200 before buying mine, but knew how nice the 1150 motor was. These twin cam boxer motors are sweet!
The RHINOS Cousin still has what it takes, I haven't had any problems with my BMW R1200GS since purchase in 2010, It has it's regular BMW service and maintenance checks and I have never had any serious issues, Don't let other people's opinions stop your innovation skills, it's looking good, there really isn't much on these bikes that you need to change or upgrade, great performance, reliability and comfort, unfortunately due to old age and health issues I can no longer participate in any serious off road manoeuvres so I look forward to watching your next episode in the dirt... OAP Wales UK.
Thanks for your comment. Glad to hear your bike has been rock solid, as I would expect. Stay tuned as I have several big adventures planned for this bike.
Great job in my opinion. Coincidently I was thinking about doing the same project sans the tower but you have convinced me changing the tower is a valid option. I have an 890 Adventure R which I replaced the tower (I just couldn't live with the stock face) with the Rade Garage tower and like that slim rally screen profile. I want to build a cross continent dirt tourer and you have shown me it can be done with older GSA and stripped back to a more dirt oriented touring configuration. I look forward to seeing more content on it.
Thanks. I say... Go for it. The actual modifications to the original BMW parts on my bike consists of cutting off the beak mounting forward of the oil cooler and welding a base onto the front subframe to build my tower off. I would recommend purchasing a second hand front subframe if you don't want to cut and weld your original one.
Yes, friends have mentioned that to me but it happened over a long period with many other things going on. This build was my therapy and I didn't need and extra stress from trying to document everything for a video.
@@ShonkyProductions Interesting point of view from a "youtuber". But I hear you, everything takes (at least) twice as long when you're filming it. Still would have been interesting for the rest of us that dote over your content.
Ha! very interesting you have gone back the dark side 😂. Should make for some great content. A long time ago I took the 1150 Adv model all around the big tracks including a Simpson crossing. Yes if you are willing to try they will take you anywhere. The only thing that stopped me was the High Country and more capable people have done it. Your 1200 is actually very good in the sandcompared to the 1150. A long time ago at a certain Off Centre Rally I rode about 10 of them and other brand for people that had trouble getting in through some very messy and soft sand. Very stable. Can’t wait to see what misadventures you will get up to. Me I am sticking with the rally, so much easier😅.
Looks awesome! Obviously that's great for eating kms getting to the gnarly stuff, but did you consider the new Himalayan, either stock or as a donor, as a smaller but still significant step up from the 300 Rally? I don't immediately recall if you've got a video on them.
No, I didn't consider the Himalayan or any mid sized bike. I wanted clear delineation between roles that my bikes have... CRF for off-road exploration and harder stuff and the BMW for dirt touring.
YES, I was originally looking at a Woody's Wheel Works set in 21/18. But being in Australia the price was prohibiting, so I looked for a more economically friendly option. I found a local supplier but they only had 21/17... So that's what I got.
@@ShonkyProductions yeah fair enough. I got my 21" front from Woody's and it was expensive. The 18" rears don't fit the liquid cooled models due to not enough swing arm clearance
Looks good mate! Firstly good job. Awesome to see people are still making things their own. Question, the exposed oil cooler, any plans to protect that further? Also did you keep the electronic suspension or go for something different?
@@brennoj79 thanks. I am still considering how to protect the oil cooler in an aesthetically pleasing way. I currently have the electronic suspension but am looking at getting some Tractive Extreme shocks to replace them with. I will go for the manually adjustable ones for simplicity and to save weight.
Wow! We are so interested in weight and more vids of it riding! And why would you want 100hp after you were so fast on a crf300 on all of these forest roads?
The 100hp is more about big lazy power for effortless long distant cruising, not outright speed. I much prefer to ride a smaller bike fast at it's potential... and much easier to turn and stop!
It takes more than mechanical ability to do this type of work...... Yup, it takes an artistic edge where one can envision the end result while they're looking at a bunch of wires, metal scraps, & plexiglass.....not to mention all the nutz/boltz? Then if you've got all of that, the ballz to " GiT-R-Done " ! Pretty impressive, now back to the video. peace
A mechanic is a very great skillset but you've got the "artsy" side where you can see the end result allowing you to move thru muck that bogs other folks down. It's kinda like the Dr in the "Back to the Future" movies.... he did the weird stuff to the Delorian but merging the tower on that bike was a pretty neat trick. Many could wire her, I could do that part but to marry the parts to the bike in a way that looks good and works - that's a skillset above ! See, I didn't know that about you until now... cool, kool, and kewl'er yet. peace
@@user-dv7hb2sc9m thanks, I enjoy the design element and the challenges of transferring what ideas I see in my mind to reality. Sometimes they don't pan out exactly as planned, but in this case the end result is exactly what I had in mind... If not better.
What road were you riding along beside the water? I feel like I've driven along there, but can't put a name to it. It's somewhere around the central coast or Sydney isn't it?
Sweeeeetttt, I have a 2011 1200 GS Rally, the last of the oil cooled models, so nice......It has been talked about for the past 30 odd years about covering the 19" rim to a 21", does it make much difference off road now that the quality and type of knobby 19" tyres that are available now? Who did the 21" rim conversion for you?
The 21 inch front rolls over obstacles easier due to its larger diameter. That translates to the suspension having to do a tiny bit less work and as a result the bike feels better off road. Imagine, as an exaggerated example, a BMX bike and a Mountain bike both riding along a smooth road and riding straight into, and up the curb. which bike would be more comfortable in that situation? The 21 front doesn't tuck as easily in sand or loose dirt. It gives better feedback and gives the bike that "dirt bike" feel. It does slow down on-road handling a tiny little bit, but I have't ridden anything but bikes with a 21 inch wheel for the last 20 years, so it feels perfectly normal to me. I doubt you would notice any negative effects on-road. Made by KK E , they feature: - lightweight super strong CNC anodised alloy silver hubs made from 6056 - T6 alloy - Tough 7050 alloy black anodised rims -stainless steel spokes - Wheel size 21 x 2.15 inch front & 17x4.15 inch rear
Thanks. I did have an Africa Twin when they were first released. I loved the motor and the sound with an Akro on it, but I could never really get comfortable with its ergonomics and top heavy feel. I'm only 5'9" and 70kg/155lbs and believe it or not, I feel more comfortable on the big GSA. I feel it carries its weight lower and is more comfortable.
I did consider that bike and tested the f900. While it is engine is smaller in size, it's not that much lighter and carries less fuel. The ergonomics weren't as comfortable for me as the 1200 and I wanted that boxer motor.
Still technically not finished yet. I want to ditch the electronic suspension (Heavy with servo motors attached) and replace it with manually adjusted Tractive Extreme shocks. Once that is done, I'll weigh it and let you know.
@@ShonkyProductions I went down the same road on a Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE. Stripped down to bare minimum with a low slung light exhaust. Only fairing is a fly screen; no crash bars. Still damn heavy so I keep a Kove 450 Rally to do anything dirt. When the Triumph is moving, it feels light and like a powerful dirt bike, but moving it about the garage is harder as I get older - 61 next month.
@ShonkyProductions Did it! I'm super excited 😄 She definitely needs some 60/40 dirt tires cause he replaced the 60/40 roads that came with it in 2011. For now, I'm going to get comfy with her size (33 liter tank!l), and then upgrade to some Dunlop Trailmax Raids. In order to not upset the electronic suspension, don't you have to lose some front end travel with the 21s?
@@LostAnFound Congratulations! No need to touch suspension when swapping in the 21 inch front. There's enough room for it unless you have a really big aftermarket bash plate.
@@ShonkyProductions i am not sure what long fuel range is in your mind 😄 but maybe you're right. I get something like 350km on a tank. Maybe theres a bigger tank for it 😄
@@adventure_power for touring, yes. I've got a 3 day exploration ride coming up, the CRF 300 Rally will be coming with me on that rise into the unknown.
Fear not! The CRF300 Rally is staying. I have lots of great adventure rides coming up for that bike. The BMW is for Adventure Touring... big days with lots of dirt K's. The CRF more off road adventures.
Good to hear. Was just thinking after your experience with false advertising on big adv bikes. So the disposal of the Africa twin etc. Nice work dude!@@ShonkyProductions
@@titaniumquarrion9838 exactly as I stated. They are marketed as Adventure Bikes while, in reality, they are Adventure Touring bikes. And that's what I've built. It's not to go off road exploring on, it's to comfortably do long days of dirt touring, to explore the outback, cross and circumnavigate Australia. My CRF 300 Rally is my light weight adventure bike and I'll be using that in a few weeks to explore the mid-north coast. To venture into the unknown, following a dotted line that I've plotted from the comfort of home, not knowing the condition of tracks or rivers. Definitely not the place for 200kg + bikes.
@@ShonkyProductions It was a tongue in cheek dig mate - I get your rationale and intent. I disagree with aspects of it though. You don't need to be Chris Birch or Adam Reimann to negotiate4 and explore most tracks commonly used by so-called Adventure riders in Australia. You don't need to be touring either. Here's why. My take is there are 200kg -ish kg bikes capable of fairly technical Adventure off-road exploration with the bonus of being good enough for the highway legs. The limiting factor is rider SKAB - Skills, Knowledge, Attitude and Behaviors more-so than weight. Guys that are poor to average off-road riders will fail on technical terrain on "LW Adv" trail/Enduro platforms that more experienced riders will cruise through on the bigger rigs. Similarly there are LW Adv rigs that are still shitty rides for hours on the blacktop that inevitably come with multi day or longer Adv rides here in Oz. Id also dispute the claim that even average off-road riders on bikes like T7s, KTM890/Norden 901 can't handle 99% of the LEGAL tracks and trails I see the die-hard LW Adv riders on. Few Adv riders are doing tracks that would constitute the moto-sports definitions of Enduro/Rally or MX tracks. The average riders assessment of technical difficulty of tracks is usually as grossly inflated as their self assessed riding ability as you expect from the Donning-Kruger effect.
Sorry but as the parent you are entitled to think it is beautiful / awesome, etc. But in reality it is far from this. Doesn't really matter though if it makes you happy.....
Thanks, I appreciate your comment. At the end of the day, I do like it and I enjoy the build process. It's not going to appeal to everyone and there will be some who disagree with altering the classic R1200 GS design.
Made by KK E , they feature: - lightweight super strong CNC anodised alloy silver hubs made from 6056 - T6 alloy - Tough 7050 alloy black anodised rims -stainless steel spokes - Wheel size 21 x 2.15 inch front & 17x4.15 inch rear Direct bolt on fit to all early model GS1200 & GS1200R bike’s from 2004 to 2012 year models only Phone Jon in QLD, Australia on 0404433619
Yes, I spend a bit developing my CRF300 Rally into an awesome light weight adventure bike and will be using that as intended. This bike and build was about making a comfortable, cross country tourer. The BMW 1200 GSA does that well in stock form, I just needed to add a few of my own touches.
Ha ! that is sick mate. I love it. Well done. Looking foward to watching you put the slim down german through her paces offroad.
Thanks, that's the plan. I will take it out on a good day/overnight ride soon. Stay tuned....
What a sense of accomplishment building your dream bike it’s all about the journey bet you had a ball building it cheers
Thanks mate. There were a few ups and downs along the way...but, yes I really enjoyed the challenges of the build. The result has made it very worth while.
That thing is 5000 times better looking than the new R1300GSA :O well done!
Thanks, I think so too.
Looks amazing mate. Love the front fairing and screen and sounds beefy👍
Thanks. Check out my latest video for more of this bike.
love the looks .
Thanks mate
Thanks for finally convincing me to build my own. Just much lighter mid weight using a Kawazaki Z400 as the donor bike and transplanting Versys 300 suspension and wheels. The 400 twin has low down and linear torque all the way up to 8K rpm where it peaks and not as revvy as the Versys 300 with the old Ninja 300 engine.
Sounds like a great project.
Seriously though..great build!.. I've had 3 GSA Adventure bikes and was amazed what they can do given they weigh nearly 1/4 of a ton !.. keep up the entertaining content
Thanks mate. I knew from my 1150 build how capable they are and have always wanted to build something from a 1200 GSA base.
The R1200 is actually the lightest of the GS platforms in the past 20 years. The new R1300 is heavier than the R1200. Also, if you strip down the R1200, it can be made quite light--witness the BMW HP2.
@@user_28943 yes, that was one of the factors I contacted when choosing the 1200 as my base. They seem to get heavier and heavier each update.
Looks Awesome! Enjoy many amazing adventures and happy riding 👍
Thanks
Great build, love the looks!
Thanks. Stay tuned to see how it handles some real adventure touring.
Looks great! Keen to see how you like the fairing for long highway stretches.
Thanks. That is definitely what I'll be testing this week. Initial testing upto 80kph (50mph) shows smooth airflow and no buffeting. Fingers crossed for the highway speed test. Stay tuned and I'll have an update soon.
Awesome custom mate, look forward to seeing more of it in action
Thanks, I really appreciate all the positive feedback.
Looks great. 👍
Thanks 👍
AWESOME!! Damn it looks cool. You could've milked this build way more with videos. But I really look forward to seeing what it can do. Congrats on an awesome project!!
Thanks. I wanted to keep the build as a pleasant, therapeutic exercise without worrying about filming.
Great to see someone not blowing $35000+ on the latest exotica but having a go themselves. I’ve been doing that for a long time. At first I had high hopes you would make a Goldwing Adv but I’m sure Honda will market one eventually.
Thanks, I must have some distance Scottish ancestry because I could not bring myself to pay that sort of money... Even if I could afford it. I thing my 2010 1200 GSA is the sweet spot for performance, reliability and simplicity. I like it's analogue gauges and simple controls. It's has all the electronic safety I need but can be easily switched off when desired.
Very cool. I look forward to crossing the Simpson with you next year!
Can't wait! I better go in front so you can help me lift it 😂
great looking build mate
Thanks
Your bike looks superb, unlike the new GSA! If only a mother could love yours (as one contributor suggests) she’d drown that. Looking forward to the next real test!
Haha... Thanks. BMW tried to steal my thunder by releasing theirs a few days before mine. Perhaps they could have used another few days in the design studio!
In years past, I had a GS 1200, loved it. Once off road I had a very light drop to the side (was literally doing about 3-4 km/h on muddy section, lost the front and then also foot slipped trying to hold it). Soft drop to the right. Ended up with a deep gouge and small hole in the right side engine cover thanks to a small carefully placed rock on the floor.... Take it from me, you can remove all the things you did, but keep the engine guard... In fact I ended up mounting both a protective aftermarket aluminium cover, and engine guards. Never had an issue again, even after a few knarly falls. Worth the very marginal weight penalty.
Great advice. Thanks
I like it I had a 2012 R1200RT best road bike I have ever had loved the engine. It was actually a little lighter than the GS1200. I have bought a new Transalp which suits me and I have been pleasantly surprised by how capable it is for my limited ability. My CRF300 rally is having major engine repairs under warranty the only one I’ve ever heard of and it has to be mine a valve shim came loose one morning and when they investigated it found damage to the piston barrel and head they said it looked like it had been detonating. And of course some of the parts were not available in Australia. I hope to get it back at the end of the month. They have had it since the end of April.
Dam, sorry to hear about your CRF. Hopefully you'll get it back soon. I hadn't ridden a BMW 1200 before buying mine, but knew how nice the 1150 motor was. These twin cam boxer motors are sweet!
Best bike made ..
Miles Davis in the outback had me hooked years ago
Yes, he really showed what they are capable of. And with the 21 inch front wheel, it's even better!
@@ShonkyProductions I built mine back in 2005. I used woodies 21 , 18 wheels . And fox extended shocks .
The RHINOS Cousin still has what it takes, I haven't had any problems with my BMW R1200GS since purchase in 2010, It has it's regular BMW service and maintenance checks and I have never had any serious issues, Don't let other people's opinions stop your innovation skills, it's looking good, there really isn't much on these bikes that you need to change or upgrade, great performance, reliability and comfort, unfortunately due to old age and health issues I can no longer participate in any serious off road manoeuvres so I look forward to watching your next episode in the dirt... OAP Wales UK.
Thanks for your comment. Glad to hear your bike has been rock solid, as I would expect. Stay tuned as I have several big adventures planned for this bike.
Great job in my opinion. Coincidently I was thinking about doing the same project sans the tower but you have convinced me changing the tower is a valid option. I have an 890 Adventure R which I replaced the tower (I just couldn't live with the stock face) with the Rade Garage tower and like that slim rally screen profile. I want to build a cross continent dirt tourer and you have shown me it can be done with older GSA and stripped back to a more dirt oriented touring configuration. I look forward to seeing more content on it.
Thanks. I say... Go for it. The actual modifications to the original BMW parts on my bike consists of cutting off the beak mounting forward of the oil cooler and welding a base onto the front subframe to build my tower off.
I would recommend purchasing a second hand front subframe if you don't want to cut and weld your original one.
Nice work
Thanks
What a great video series this build would have made.... missed opportunity there. :(
Yes, friends have mentioned that to me but it happened over a long period with many other things going on. This build was my therapy and I didn't need and extra stress from trying to document everything for a video.
@@ShonkyProductions Interesting point of view from a "youtuber". But I hear you, everything takes (at least) twice as long when you're filming it. Still would have been interesting for the rest of us that dote over your content.
I love this channel because it's not yet like all of the other RUclips channels, which are just covert marketing stooges for the bike companies.
Thanks. Slap me if I ever get that bad.
top job..... sell it to meee 🤣😂🤣
Haha... This ones a keeper 👍
Ha! very interesting you have gone back the dark side 😂. Should make for some great content. A long time ago I took the 1150 Adv model all around the big tracks including a Simpson crossing. Yes if you are willing to try they will take you anywhere. The only thing that stopped me was the High Country and more capable people have done it. Your 1200 is actually very good in the sandcompared to the 1150. A long time ago at a certain Off Centre Rally I rode about 10 of them and other brand for people that had trouble getting in through some very messy and soft sand. Very stable. Can’t wait to see what misadventures you will get up to.
Me I am sticking with the rally, so much easier😅.
@@tonyrdr7207 thanks Tony, I'll be hitting Stockton beach soon to test it's sand legs!
You have my attention!!!! Would you have a link to the 21inch front?
Very nice and understood. Can’t wait for you to hit some sand on this. (And you will 😂)
@@brendenvosper7772 haha... Thanks. I'm at the gym now practising my dead lifts 😂
Awesome - so you didn’t feel like making it look like the new 1300 GSA !!
Haha... no thank you!
Certainly did a number on that thing and sheesh,has some poke...
Thanks, and yes it surprised me how well it goes!
cool🙂
Thanks
Hey mate keep an eye out on the drive shafts mate going from 17"to 18" rear wheel,
Thanks for the heads up. I have new wheels but kept the 17" in the rear.
Woohoo!
Haha... That's the sound I made when I finally finished building it 👍
Looks awesome! Obviously that's great for eating kms getting to the gnarly stuff, but did you consider the new Himalayan, either stock or as a donor, as a smaller but still significant step up from the 300 Rally? I don't immediately recall if you've got a video on them.
No, I didn't consider the Himalayan or any mid sized bike. I wanted clear delineation between roles that my bikes have... CRF for off-road exploration and harder stuff and the BMW for dirt touring.
Mate this is freaking awesome. I had a 21" front on my liquid cooled GSA. Have you considered getting an 18" rear?
YES, I was originally looking at a Woody's Wheel Works set in 21/18. But being in Australia the price was prohibiting, so I looked for a more economically friendly option. I found a local supplier but they only had 21/17... So that's what I got.
@@ShonkyProductions yeah fair enough. I got my 21" front from Woody's and it was expensive. The 18" rears don't fit the liquid cooled models due to not enough swing arm clearance
Looks good mate! Firstly good job. Awesome to see people are still making things their own. Question, the exposed oil cooler, any plans to protect that further? Also did you keep the electronic suspension or go for something different?
@@brennoj79 thanks. I am still considering how to protect the oil cooler in an aesthetically pleasing way.
I currently have the electronic suspension but am looking at getting some Tractive Extreme shocks to replace them with. I will go for the manually adjustable ones for simplicity and to save weight.
Awesome bike! Did you forget to turn the camera on while you were building it?
Yes, sorry about that. I had many other things going on at that time.
Was that Patonga on the Central Coast ? Well it reminded of it, but I haven't been there for a decade or so.
Yes, good spotting. I was riding back from there in the video.
Wow! We are so interested in weight and more vids of it riding! And why would you want 100hp after you were so fast on a crf300 on all of these forest roads?
The 100hp is more about big lazy power for effortless long distant cruising, not outright speed. I much prefer to ride a smaller bike fast at it's potential... and much easier to turn and stop!
It takes more than mechanical ability to do this type of work...... Yup, it takes an artistic edge where one can envision the end
result while they're looking at a bunch of wires, metal scraps, & plexiglass.....not to mention all the nutz/boltz? Then if you've
got all of that, the ballz to " GiT-R-Done " ! Pretty impressive, now back to the video. peace
I actually like the analog gauges..... I hear some guys laugh at that but I like them better. But I'm an older guy. Go Figure!
Thanks mate, I do have crazy ideas in my head... so I guess that helps.
A mechanic is a very great skillset but you've got the "artsy" side where you can see the end result allowing you to
move thru muck that bogs other folks down. It's kinda like the Dr in the "Back to the Future" movies.... he did the
weird stuff to the Delorian but merging the tower on that bike was a pretty neat trick. Many could wire her, I could
do that part but to marry the parts to the bike in a way that looks good and works - that's a skillset above !
See, I didn't know that about you until now... cool, kool, and kewl'er yet. peace
@@user-dv7hb2sc9m thanks, I enjoy the design element and the challenges of transferring what ideas I see in my mind to reality. Sometimes they don't pan out exactly as planned, but in this case the end result is exactly what I had in mind... If not better.
What road were you riding along beside the water?
I feel like I've driven along there, but can't put a name to it. It's somewhere around the central coast or Sydney isn't it?
Great spotting. Yes, Central Coast... Coming back from Patonga/Pearl Beach to Umina Beach.
Sweeeeetttt, I have a 2011 1200 GS Rally, the last of the oil cooled models, so nice......It has been talked about for the past 30 odd years about covering the 19" rim to a 21", does it make much difference off road now that the quality and type of knobby 19" tyres that are available now?
Who did the 21" rim conversion for you?
The 21 inch front rolls over obstacles easier due to its larger diameter. That translates to the suspension having to do a tiny bit less work and as a result the bike feels better off road. Imagine, as an exaggerated example, a BMX bike and a Mountain bike both riding along a smooth road and riding straight into, and up the curb. which bike would be more comfortable in that situation?
The 21 front doesn't tuck as easily in sand or loose dirt. It gives better feedback and gives the bike that "dirt bike" feel. It does slow down on-road handling a tiny little bit, but I have't ridden anything but bikes with a 21 inch wheel for the last 20 years, so it feels perfectly normal to me. I doubt you would notice any negative effects on-road.
Made by KK E , they feature:
- lightweight super strong CNC anodised alloy silver hubs made from 6056 - T6 alloy
- Tough 7050 alloy black anodised rims
-stainless steel spokes
- Wheel size 21 x 2.15 inch front & 17x4.15 inch rear
@@ShonkyProductions fantastic mate....still tubeless on the front?
Great looking build! Interested to know why you didn't choose an Africa Twin?
With some money and that original spec, I'd just get the Aprilia Toureg 660. Supposedly it has very nice dirt manners and is fun everywhere.
@@suzyamerica4679 nice bikes, a friend of mine has one. I have a T7 extreme now
Thanks. I did have an Africa Twin when they were first released. I loved the motor and the sound with an Akro on it, but I could never really get comfortable with its ergonomics and top heavy feel. I'm only 5'9" and 70kg/155lbs and believe it or not, I feel more comfortable on the big GSA. I feel it carries its weight lower and is more comfortable.
Interesting.
How much does it weigh?
Not sure yet. I'll weigh it soon.
I would of used the 800 gs for the reduced engine size.
I did consider that bike and tested the f900. While it is engine is smaller in size, it's not that much lighter and carries less fuel. The ergonomics weren't as comfortable for me as the 1200 and I wanted that boxer motor.
What was that last road.. with the hairpin
@@purana80 that was the road between Pearl Beach/ Patonga and Umina Beach.
How much weight came off and what is the final weight?
Still technically not finished yet. I want to ditch the electronic suspension (Heavy with servo motors attached) and replace it with manually adjusted Tractive Extreme shocks. Once that is done, I'll weigh it and let you know.
@@ShonkyProductions I went down the same road on a Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE. Stripped down to bare minimum with a low slung light exhaust. Only fairing is a fly screen; no crash bars. Still damn heavy so I keep a Kove 450 Rally to do anything dirt. When the Triumph is moving, it feels light and like a powerful dirt bike, but moving it about the garage is harder as I get older - 61 next month.
Can't believe you just posted this.
I'm looking at one in 30 minutes!
How tall are you?
I'm 5'10" and a scrawny 70kg/155lbs
I think I'm pulling the trigger. I'm 5'11" and it fit very nicely. Your dirt comments were exactly what I needed to hear
@@LostAnFound Do it. Just bare in mind, that I have done the 21 inch front wheel conversion for better dirt manners.
@ShonkyProductions Did it! I'm super excited 😄
She definitely needs some 60/40 dirt tires cause he replaced the 60/40 roads that came with it in 2011. For now, I'm going to get comfy with her size (33 liter tank!l), and then upgrade to some Dunlop Trailmax Raids.
In order to not upset the electronic suspension, don't you have to lose some front end travel with the 21s?
@@LostAnFound Congratulations!
No need to touch suspension when swapping in the 21 inch front. There's enough room for it unless you have a really big aftermarket bash plate.
I'll tell you one bike this modified R1200GSA certainty looks better than: the R1300GSA!
I'll take that as a compliment.. but I think a kid with a crayon could do better than what BMW did with the 1300 GSA.
Well, times are tough for motorcycle companies with declining ridership. Hiring a kid with a crayon was a lot cheaper than some Italian designer.
What rear tyre is that Shonky?
It's a Shinko E805
Clearly that BMW wasn't tested properly. I didn't see you stopping at a single coffee shop and testing said latte?
@@malsadventuresoz sorry, I removed all the coffee accessories when I was stripping the bike of excess weight.
Really just sound like you wanted a yamaha xt660 r with a screen 😅
I'm not sure I under your comment... Wouldn't the xt660r be a poor choice for long distance outback touring with it's fuel range?
@@ShonkyProductions i am not sure what long fuel range is in your mind 😄 but maybe you're right. I get something like 350km on a tank. Maybe theres a bigger tank for it 😄
@@FaetalEU minimum fuel range for some of my planned outback trips is 500km.
@@ShonkyProductions fair enough 😄 that'd take like a 50% bigger tank (or just the older tenere 660 😄) looking forward to see your build 😁
back to bigger bikes? 😅
@@adventure_power for touring, yes. I've got a 3 day exploration ride coming up, the CRF 300 Rally will be coming with me on that rise into the unknown.
What's happening with the crf300?
Fear not! The CRF300 Rally is staying. I have lots of great adventure rides coming up for that bike. The BMW is for Adventure Touring... big days with lots of dirt K's. The CRF more off road adventures.
Good to hear. Was just thinking after your experience with false advertising on big adv bikes. So the disposal of the Africa twin etc. Nice work dude!@@ShonkyProductions
Are you watching BMW??!
Haha... I'll add my contact details and consultants fees in the next video!
So 300 rally gone now?
No, fear not. The CRF300 Rally is staying.
1st! 😁
Congratulations!
What happened to your take that these are not Adventure bikes and you don’t need a HW bike?😉
@@titaniumquarrion9838 exactly as I stated. They are marketed as Adventure Bikes while, in reality, they are Adventure Touring bikes. And that's what I've built. It's not to go off road exploring on, it's to comfortably do long days of dirt touring, to explore the outback, cross and circumnavigate Australia.
My CRF 300 Rally is my light weight adventure bike and I'll be using that in a few weeks to explore the mid-north coast. To venture into the unknown, following a dotted line that I've plotted from the comfort of home, not knowing the condition of tracks or rivers. Definitely not the place for 200kg + bikes.
@@ShonkyProductions It was a tongue in cheek dig mate - I get your rationale and intent. I disagree with aspects of it though. You don't need to be Chris Birch or Adam Reimann to negotiate4 and explore most tracks commonly used by so-called Adventure riders in Australia. You don't need to be touring either. Here's why.
My take is there are 200kg -ish kg bikes capable of fairly technical Adventure off-road exploration with the bonus of being good enough for the highway legs. The limiting factor is rider SKAB - Skills, Knowledge, Attitude and Behaviors more-so than weight.
Guys that are poor to average off-road riders will fail on technical terrain on "LW Adv" trail/Enduro platforms that more experienced riders will cruise through on the bigger rigs. Similarly there are LW Adv rigs that are still shitty rides for hours on the blacktop that inevitably come with multi day or longer Adv rides here in Oz.
Id also dispute the claim that even average off-road riders on bikes like T7s, KTM890/Norden 901 can't handle 99% of the LEGAL tracks and trails I see the die-hard LW Adv riders on. Few Adv riders are doing tracks that would constitute the moto-sports definitions of Enduro/Rally or MX tracks. The average riders assessment of technical difficulty of tracks is usually as grossly inflated as their self assessed riding ability as you expect from the Donning-Kruger effect.
I‘m usually the first to hate on GS‘s cause they’re ugly af but that thing looks kinda rad
Thanks mate. I've always thought they were ugly... so I fixed that.
yuk.....
I appreciate that my design taste will not please everyone and want to thank you for taking the time to confirm that.
Pure lard.
Thanks, I appreciate your reference to a widely underestimated and useful material.
@@ShonkyProductions I have one, lol. I know what I have got. Bomb proof but way over built.
Sorry but as the parent you are entitled to think it is beautiful / awesome, etc. But in reality it is far from this. Doesn't really matter though if it makes you happy.....
Still looks way better than stock.
Thanks, I appreciate your comment. At the end of the day, I do like it and I enjoy the build process. It's not going to appeal to everyone and there will be some who disagree with altering the classic R1200 GS design.
@@jakehill9174 my thoughts exactly.
Bike looks awesome. More vids please so I can nerd out on all the specs
@@Helmettime Thanks. I will be uploading lots of regular videos on this bike, so stay tuned.
Great build. Can you give some details on the rims and where you got them thanks Shonky
Made by KK E , they feature:
- lightweight super strong CNC anodised alloy silver hubs made from 6056 - T6 alloy
- Tough 7050 alloy black anodised rims
-stainless steel spokes
- Wheel size 21 x 2.15 inch front & 17x4.15 inch rear
Direct bolt on fit to all early model GS1200 & GS1200R bike’s from 2004 to 2012 year models only
Phone Jon in QLD, Australia on 0404433619
@@ShonkyProductions thanks mate
Yeah not expensive u sent heaps on crf
Yes, I spend a bit developing my CRF300 Rally into an awesome light weight adventure bike and will be using that as intended.
This bike and build was about making a comfortable, cross country tourer. The BMW 1200 GSA does that well in stock form, I just needed to add a few of my own touches.