Did "Mumble Rappers" Ruin Rap?
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Did "mumble rappers" ruin rap? Or was 2017 one of rap's best years? What did XXXTentacion, Lil Pump, Ski Mask Tha Slump God, and other "mumble rappers" contribute to rap?
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I use to be a boomer and say "90s rAp WaS bEtTeR" but I've learnt to keep an open mind. Now I can go from Black / Death Metal, Hip Hop, Jazz and Country to name a few. I can use that open mindedness in my everyday life. Good to see more Hip Hop on this channel
I'm sorry, but I just can't go from listening to black on both sides to lil Yachty. My soul won't let me.
I’m really liking that he’s talking about rap and not the same bands over and over Again, keep it up Fin👍
The streams are always like that, come join us over there :)
He didn't get the views for a few rap related vids, which sucked, but I'm glad he's doing it anyway.
It’s good that he talks about rap and other music, I love nu metal but sometimes it get
Boring when he talks about it all the time.
The newest era of rap is honestly one of the best imo. Love the genre bending of different influences. How many rappers back in 2006 woulda said they were influenced by Escape The Fate? It’s crazy that we are here now. Loving the acceptance of other genres in music lately.
I rarely hear anything about the influence of Yung Lean
Icon! mumble rap wouldnt exist with cloud rap. It's literally proto mumble rap. But lean always transcended subgenres anyway he epitomizes his own artistic journey
drain
Ghostemane’s IMAGE (his look) made me check out his music, and I decided to go to his concert as a new fan. Lil Tracy was the opener, and through him I discovered emo rap, GBC, and alternative hip hop. I discovered City Morgue, who play metal rap (not rap metal), and I’m currently discovering rage rap, which is described as Whole Lotta Red, such as Ken Carson and Destroy Lonely and Yeat.
As a metal boomer and ex emo kid, this is so much more catchy and refreshing than current rock and metal!!!
If you don’t know about them already you should definitely check out artist’s like Kamiyada, Sybyr , 7xvn, Cxrpse, and slen. Very influential music
Saying mumble rap hurts hip hop is like saying "insert core band" hurts metal
Bingo.
@MyBeautifulDarkTwistedSilentPlanet Rap will continue to exist and thrive despite flash in the pan trends in the same way metal and Jazz will continue to exist and thrive despite trends/popularity.
nothing wrong with grind core or thrash core.
@@dekapitatorr They mean the metalcore bands playing on Octane.
I would compare it to inhale breeeees
Denzel curry was the only one who really made from the Soundcloud scene and become one of the most consistently brilliant rappers of his gen
He stood out on that xxl cypher I love zel
Looking back, Soundcloud Rap Era was literally the last time it's actually rebellious (they pissed old people off). Now kids listen to music that their parents can listen to or music that their parents grew up with.
Watching rap/hip-hop content is weird. On the one hand I really enjoy learning more about the genre, hearing Finns perspective, and keeping an open mind on different genres because I love listening to new music. But then I listen to it....and 😬😬
Exactly. How do people feel satisfied with it?
Tbh For people who want to get into rap, I wouldn’t choose the Soundcloud guys Finn talks about
Well that could be just up to taste. I'm the same age as Finn and like him, I started listening to hip hop before punk and hardcore. I just can't get into that type of hip hop and it's fine. Just not for me.
Same. As far as newer rap goes, I’m into stuff on Griselda Records. Some really cool stuff on there like Boldy James. This bubble gum trap stuff….nah not my vibe. I don’t mind Suicide Boys tho
X peep and trippie are pretty much the most friendly I wanna get into rap music artists they aren't complex or niche they are very simple to understand
A video I wouldn’t mind seeing Finn do (if he hasn’t already) is how an artist legacy is affected by dying young. Nirvana as an example. By only put out a small sample they never put out mid to boring music that makes other bands fade off into obscurity. Or lesser known examples like Capital Steez and Joys Divison were the artist death almost becomes some dark form of advertising and mystique
So my opinion is rap has entered it’s punk rock phase after being in it’s Prog rock phase. Now anyone can become a SoundCloud rapper kinda like how anyone could be in a punk rock band. Now to varying degrees of success of course, but same formula.
I think the true punk equivalent in Hip-Hop are Death Grips and Jpegmafia.
Rap is not my thing at all but it's cool that Finn always tries to cover all genres and the culture behind of whats actually happening now.
Short answer to video title to save people time: Yes. Unequivocally, yes.
My friend showed me 2016XXL to clown on it when it dropped and I've not stopped listening since lmaoo
Iconic XXL class right there
I love the Designer, Anderson Pak and Lil Dicky one. It’s so funny!
@@sweetgregt 😂😂😂
It's funny how things change I remember a lot of my friends hating on artists like lil Uzi and x when they first blew up and now it's pretty much normal to like lil Uzi and X also lil yachty it's kind of sad now since I feel that music is losing touch a little bit but there's still a lot of new underground artists making really good music to this day
XXXTENTACION bridged me from metalcore/ deathcore to underground rap / rage core / trap metal.
2016-2018 was a different time.
Did he just say 2016-2019 was the best era of Rap? Tell me he's joking.
Nah, that’s a pretty common opinion
these sound cloud rappers ruined it..Most of em can't even rap..Mumble rap is the worst and almost none of them will be remembered like the greats are
People, mainly metal heads,don’t realize the majority of the general public doesn’t care about “skill” when it comes to music. They care if something is catchy, easy to memorize to sing along to, and easy to dance to that is upbeat enough without being too fast. The general public doesn’t care about someone’s bars, how technically they can play an instrument, etc. they care if something is catch and enjoyable on a primal level.
And from that aspect “mumble rap” is the perfect formula for gaining mass appeal.
And this isn’t necessarily a bad thing, just because it starts that way it doesn’t mean all the negative attributes it brings are going to be exacerbated and strung along in the future.
Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it isn’t innovative or influential. It also doesn’t mean the majority of the general public won’t like it.
Put it like this- if you think black metal that was recorded on a potato from a band who never lets the bass player plug in their instrument is the pinnacle of musical art then 99% of the human population is going to have a different musical opinion than you. Doesn’t mean either is wrong, but one is definitely going to have a larger effect on mainstream music.
And making catchy music is extremely difficult
To be honest, Kurt Cobain wasn't a great singer, or technically proficient guitar player, but he wrote great melodies.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA exactly, it might be “simple” in terms of replicating it, but writing it and making it work well is what’s difficult
Yea I never understood that argument from older rock fans. Look at genres like punk. I could play any punk song I wanted on guitar after a few months of playing. It’s not the technicality that makes it good. It’s the energy and catchiness that makes it loved. And I say this as someone who was just listening to Archspire. Techy playing is cool but it’s not the be all end all of music and non musicians don’t care at all
@@Spiritofdarkandlonelywater Precisely why Nirvana was/is more popular than Alice In Chains, despite AIC being the better band (imo of course). They offered a catchiness to their grit that the other grunge bands lacked. (Not to say that other grunge bands don't have catchy songs, just not as many or not as catchy)
This is kinda like NWO (before the lead vocalist was known as Kella Sin) was back in 2015. Band had me hooked and made me want more of it.
My buddy played guitar for Kella Sin for a few years actually. Went to a lot of their shows. Definitely Wild seeing somebody shout them out
The sad part about all this is? The whole movement reminds me Metallica's transition to mainstream. Metallica were thrash early on than went balls deep into the mainstream as time progressed. This whole sound cloud generation went through the same thing. We are at the point where all the rebellion and grit is gone and replaced with gummy bears and Silicone
OK, Metallica made some stupid moves in their career but nothing, even LULU, that they deserve to be compared with mumble rap. have some decency.
@MyDarkTwistedSilentPlanet I think that your parents are the ones who are crying for how stupid their child is.
@MyDarkTwistedSilentPlanet Nah, those two are wack and Metallica has been wack since the 90s.
@MyDarkTwistedSilentPlanetYou could say that about any artist really. At least mid is better than bottom like those mumblers.
@MyDarkTwistedSilentPlanet White Pony is an amazing album and I have most of Deftones CD's. Also saw Periphery live in 2012 with Dream Theater, great gig! Not really aged better, but of course young people are interested in new stuff and same will happen to Deftones when these new kids like something new, like this mumble shit. As much as I hate it, I get why the younger adults like the rebellious feeling and sound, since rock and punk have become pretty lame. Also I hate the "sonical density", most of these songs are badly mixed and filled with too much digital crap. Too much high and low end.
Really enjoyed this video and topic :)
Most hip hop legends agreed that the eras you're talking about is actually the worst in rap history.
Rap isnt even rap anymore. Im a metal head, but gimme 90s rap anyday
Early 2010's soundcloud and cloud rap was so different yet so similar, it was awesome. For me lil pump was more a funny meme personified than anything good or new musically but i was in my early 20's and probably a bit too old for his vibe. In the end he was the perfect teenage brat villain and everyone was entertained. I really think it was a really good decade for the genre both in the underground and the mainstream.
10:05 what? nobody in this frame is spaceghostpurrp
Meant smokepurp! Always get them mixed up
i guess i can understand that but they sound totally different to me so i never had that thought
Totally but the names are very close!
I think the ''anime'' aesthetic in hip hop comes from Kanye working with Murakami on stuff like the Graduation album cover, also these rappers have a huge influence from nu metal and bands like Linking Park had a foot on that kind of aesthetic, both things (LP and Ye) were huge stuff a decade before the 2017 generation, so, it's not like anime aesthetic hasn't ever been part of the culture. I thing it eventually grew into something bigger, on these wave of xxxtentacion naruto edits haha
I got into this stuff when I was like 16 in 2015, I'd been listening to a mix of rock/metal and hip hop my whole life but it was odd future that got me re-energized and prepared me for the soundcloud era, the music of that era will always be special to me as and I'll remember those summers forever, I still bump alot of those songs semi-regularly and it makes me nostalgic even though it was only 6/7 years ago.
Rap?! The only rap content i want is nu metal!! Get your shit together Finn!!!
Sorry Finn, no one thinks rap has improved over time. Yes, it's "changed" but definitely not for the better. For 1, the locality of it is lost so the current rappers watered down lyrics, copy old loops and admittedly stop caring about originally and replaced it with money. It's sad really, but I'm happy I grew up in the time of the Real best rap
I would like to bring up that 36 mafia is triple six mafia meaning 666 mafia they also preform in custom made metal band tees like megadeth and avenged sevenfold
Loved coverage of this content Finn - I’m totally fascinated and still learning about about the alt rap world, but it’s so cool and refreshing to have something new to distract my unwell mind. Bring me more like this please! Buy buy buy!
X beating his girlfriend is something I just can't get over
His fans will literally send you death threats if you question their Fuhrer. Truly garbage human being who deserved what happened to him.
He was pretty deranged. I heard that jail phone recording of him doing a satanic ritual to beat his case and telling the person on the phone to intimidate a witnes
Never cared for any of the SoundCloud rappers at that time but XXXTENTACION felt super raw and I definitely did dig his sound. His album 17 was a masterpiece.
17 is softest shit i ever heard lol
Xxx was hit or miss for me. But when he did it right. Holy shit he sounded wild. Him and ski mask have some some serious highs. “Xxxanax” “off the wall” are some of my favorite.
Denzel curry is my favorite from that era
3:54 Yes. 2011. With mac miller kendrick lamar big sean etc
whole scene looks like prequel to idiocracy.
But we don't milly rock in New York?? What??
Awesome video bro but firstly 'mumble rap'is a very distinct sound. If the rapper is not mumbling it's NOT mumble rap !
Tbh, that was the worst part of all the rap, the trap subgenre has some good stuff like Suicideboys, Scarlxrd, or Denzel, but praising Pump is beyond pathetic. Thank God that lots of those acts evolved from that lame ass image.
Also the part in which you praised the worst of trap but attacked nu metal is one of the most idiotic things I've heard in my entire life, considering how many acts have worked with people like Mike Shinoda, Corey Taylor, Munky and Chino Moreno. If people like trippie redd, denzel curry, ghostemane had the chance too see those nonsensical coments and jasiah will cringe hard
This is an amazing insight on a generation of a rap that I am very grateful I was apart of thank you for seeing the creativity these young artists such as X peep Ski mask sucideboys yung lean yung bans etc. have blessed us with. Thank you Finn. Great video
It's not a coincidence that every single one of those people you mentioned is/was an awful person.
Am I the only one that thinks that 2016 freshman xxl is trash and a meme because of how bad it was?
i would even say before that. When Xxxtentacion dropped
It’s so weird what “making it big” and “taking over the world” is in 2023. If I took a screenshot of that clip of those rap kids saying that their whole crew would be famous and showed it to 1000 random people on the street….approximately 3 out of 1000 might know who they are. Maybe. 3 is being generous. Yet if someone showed a picture of Michael Jackson, Madonna, Prince or Bon Jovi to any random grandma in 1987, they would recognize them instantly. Nothing is really popular anymore. Damn internets!
Love all these vids on underground rap recently 🤘
Necro, Ill Bill, Vinnie Paz...
Emo rap has been around since the 90's with Atmosphere and Sage Francis, to name a few.
I stopped listening to rap in 2002 when I realised Eminem & So Solid Crew were becoming acceptable.
Ok, but what about Ghoste, Scarlxrd, Omenxiii and etc
I'm a shady records g unit kid. Yeah it's nostalgia. The emonem show was my first cd that was fully "mine".
But all that sort of thing led me to the Nas and wu tang and whatever else. Everybody has a starting spot
Pause on 2:18 for Finn McChrist
The MGK comments in the comment section are getting old tho
2 live crew miami bass what about death metal Finn???
I must be REAL old cuz I think this stuff is GOD-AWFUL.
Ohhhh this is an exciting one! I can't wait.
there's an interesting crossover of cloud rap 2015~16 leading up to this. thouxanbanfauni, unotheactivist, carti came up on this too
We need the young lean video
they are too degenerate.
Yeah
And modern uk rap is just as bad
Ya mumble rap is the down fall of hip hop
Thank lil Wayne lollipop song for that
South Florida underground rap is some of my favorite music.
Odd future had a similar feeling a few years earlier. Love this stuff.
Necro did "metal rap" already, no?
Nah he did horror shit
A jazz musician (can't remember the name) once said something along the lines of "you got to know the rules to then know how to break them" - punk to me is the other side of the same coin, fuck the rules so long as you're authentic. Either way, it's pretty difficult to be notably interesting without breaking rules one way or another
@ghost mall Blue Grass is in a similar position the odd thing about it more or less, besides like nepotism it's "extinct" outside of the music degree crowd.
The 2016-2019 era was def unique. Ive dyed my dreadlocks 3 about to be 4 times. Its a time when people can really feel like they matter. This 2022 2023 stuff is just unoriginal trash mostly. The talent is dissolving:/ lots of new people just rip off older songs in a lazy way
drain gang/ sad boys video. if you don’t already listen to those groups you should because i guarantee you’ll love them
It sucks that nothing,nowhere gets left out of the conversation when talking about “who are some of the best emo rap artists”. I would say he ranks at the same level of Lil Peep in that genre, he just hasn’t garnered the same amount of acclaim. Not to mention no one really gives props to Drippin So Pretty who seems to be the one of originators of the genre.
gr8 video i just wanna know why no one ever talks about bones/ teamsesh during these topics. he has an enormous cult following and started doing emo rap well before a lot of these artists. to this day he’s still an independent artist. he could really have his own video.
Because his music honestly isn’t great for the most part and he’s barely online
Yes. Good hip hop that isnt post-mumble rap is like, explicitly anti mumble rap. It's not "good hip hop" its "not mumble rap" or "lyrical"
LONG LIVE X
Plz i just really want a full video about X 😢
"Take" by Pump changed my life
Best year was 1996/1997. So many classics dropped.
Nas-It Was Written
Wu Tang Clan-Wu Tang Forever
2Pac-All Eyez On Me
The Roots- Illadelph Half-life
BIG-Life After Death
Mobb Deep-Hell On Earth
GZA-Liquid Swordz
And so many more....
I totally agree. It’s objectively better music. Lyrically on a different planet than the guys today. They actually had vocabulary and were pretty clever and witty. These guys today, dudes on Xanax forgetting which bar they’re on so they repeat the same word over and over.
You should check out artists like Coast Contra, Your Old Droog, Che Noir, etc. Not to mention a huge part of the non-grime UK rap scene. Still lots of good lyrical hip-hop coming out
96/97 was when it started to go downhill. A few gems were released in that period. Nas second album wasn't that good.
This stuff is basiclly the same thing that poison was for the 80s metal scene, fight me and cry about it
Love rap. Can't stand this stuff for the most part. Can't separate the art from the artist with a lot of them (XXXtentacion specifically), music is very mediocre to me a lot of times, and I think it's largely the IPA of rap. Just because someone tells someone it is good and then he tells someone it's good and they told you it's good, doesn't mean it is.
I appreciate and respect the DIY aspect of this and the punk rock of it all. But I genuinely do not think this music is good. The lyrics are sad and dangerous and I don't really get how people can like it to be honest.
I'd rather listen to Rancid, Bad Religion, or H20 over bands like The Exploited that "can't play". That's never my jam.
But. As always, thanks for the video Finn.
How can u love pump when he gets on a track and says absolutely nothing 💀
Keep it dynamic like this, my dude. I always look forward to the videos where you cover different genres. Love it!
Beautiful video, thank you!
I’ll strongly disagree on the Lil Pump take but everything else is spot on 👌🏼
Shout out to the real originators of rap and rock fusion--fat boys & chubby checker
Don’t forget how important and integral Yung Lean from the earlier soundcloud error influencing the sound and fashion of todays era.
He seems he always get left out due to him being all the way from Sweden. Yet everything he was doing in 2013-2014 was all copied much later.
SHOUTOUT LEANDOER!!! SADBOYS!!
Also this reminds me that you should do a Video on the bay area hyphy movement! That was a pretty big era in rap!!
It’s ridiculous to say they all brought something unique. Unique? They all sound the same.
I live in Florida and i remember when peep started getting a little in the conversation but wasnt big yet. I saw he was on tour and had a west Florida date. I thought about it briefly and was like dam i know two maybe 3 songs idk if the drive is worth it. And he died like 2 months after that show date i was like fuck.... i shouldve seen him
I like Lil Pump too. I can really feel the anti-establishment (punk) & rebellious spirit in his 2017 music.
I suggest to watch a video from Chef03 (The Return of Lil Pump and Smokepurpp). I think Pump will make it as he's been trying really hard (eventhough it won't be like his 2017 peak but he can gain a lot more fanbase & more causal listeners).
You changed the sponsor plug, well done mate. Keep it fresh
I miss them years I’m 34 but I was listening to xxx juice all them kids before they blew up I watched it it was like the emo bands seeing them gradually blow up
"Pump having a delivery comparable to Chief Kief" intriguing! I always thought of his flow as somewhere between a xan overdose and furiously eating a cup of noodle soup 🤷♂️
Sarcasm dial turned way down. Nice.
It’s easier to be sincere when I’m not talking about boomer music!
Mumble rap, soundcloud rap, and trap exist in a parallel with all the other subgenres of rap. Dare I say, it didn't ruin it, it added to it. I'm not a fan at all but I understand its place. The existence of these subgenres have no bearing on the Kendricks, Black Thoughts, and Conways of the genre. It just provides even more options for people to listen to, and can often act like a gateway into more traditional rap, much like core does in the realm of heavier guitar music.
Yes
Daily reminder that XXXTentacion was a complete and total piece of shit for all of his teenage and adult life. I'm not saying he deserved to die, but he certainly doesn't deserve to be revered and loved the way most people on the internet talk about him. Thank you for talking about these other rappers who I mostly did not really know too much about, they seem to be more deserving of the love and exposure than X has or will ever deserve.
I was more into rich homie, wiz and the Migos at the time so I missed out
Haha! Man, I'm not sure what videos you made that made me subscribe but i think im going to step out. (Might've been a Faith No More or Tool video.) The last couple of vids I've checked out, you were talking about how good hair bands were and now skittles rap was top notch. Those kids are absolute morons with nothing to say. Enjoy yourself 👍🏼
I can see where you're coming from regarding the whole punk attitude thing. With that said, I can't stand this type of rap, so for me personally it did kinda ruin rap.
Ohhh I’m excited to go look for some more xxtentacion songs now. I always forget to dive further into his work. If you haven’t checked out much lil peep please do so people. He was so good even if you don’t like rap just approach it with an open mind!
Check out his revenge EP. Easily his best work.
The ? album is his magnum opus imo. Just such a cool blend of hip hop and alt rock
People forget that John Mayer helped put spotlight on Lil Pump by shouting him out on live stream
peep past away age of 21, every video he's shot, holding a bourbon bottle..whats the age of alcohol consumption 21, so can we call for peep, been neglected by parents
Is the pump rock actually real?
Yes and its amazing lol
Finn will you please finally cover Freddie Dredd? Please?
Rap was ruined long before any mumble rapper. Once it started glorifying shooting people and dealing drugs, thats when it went to shit. People started to make money off of trap rap and shit like crunk rap and now rap is only about cars, drugs, guns, money and women, and i dare anyone to tell me different. Now a days, its a rare find to actually hear real rap talent that isnt talking about one of the things i listed. Also to add, what the video is claming is mumble rap, actually isnt mumble rap. Go back and listen to lil yacthy and the such. You can hear what theyre saying. Id put artists like migos and shit under mumble rap. Either way, the mainstream rap scene is trash and almost devolging itself instead of evolving and growing. I know you dont like the heavy rhyming rap, but atleast it takes more skill and thought to put together than any typical trap beat with the same 808 and high hats
Yeah I think that's why rap hasn't died, but it's in a coma. Concious rappers have kept the genre breathing, but 99% of the mainstream stuff is either glorifying violence, sex and promiscuity, drugs, and partying. Chuck D probably gets upset just looking at the billboard these days. I guess it's similar to punk rock, where there's always going to be smaller artists that keep it alive, but the more commercially successful bands in the genre aren't going to be true to what it originally was. Blink 182 is not Jello Biafra or Johnny Rotten, and Cardi B is not Dr. Dre or Ice Cube.
@@SconnerStudios i honestly, and truely meant this, but i cant remember the last artist i heard on the radio and actually enjoyed it. Theres a LOT of rappers out there that are a lot more than just the typical stuff. Ive brought them up before on one of finns videos, but the Palmer Squares are a newer generation of rap, and theyre amazing at it just an example. And yeah, youre right. The biggest example would be country music. A LOT of country artists only make the music because its what sells, then you have artists like chris stapleton who are genuine (only country singer i could think of right off the top of my head)