In all honesty modern metal has turned more into an unhealthy obsession with getting everything mapped to a grid, heavily down tuned, and as generic/formulaic as possible.
true. Also, everyone uses the same amp modellers. No one has to work out how to get a tone or steal a lick as its all there for you on the internet. Int he 70s and 80s guitarists had to figure it all out from the album and try to do it themselves. In doing that they came up with things of their own. And yes, I'm a grumpy old man.
Metal has become cookie cutter there are no New Bands that dont sound like they are remaking songs from the 70's , 80's & 90's . The EVH , DeMartini , Lynch , Rhoades , Vai , Satch kinda Guitarist are all to old . I am almost 60 now to old to make Music and Tour so where are the next Gen of Showoff Electric shredding Guitarist coming from ? They aren't IMHO .
Except heavily down tuned, еverything else seems to be the same for pop, disco, etc. (everything mapped to a grid, as generic/formulaic as possible) nowadays. I would add autotuned and edited aswell.
@@DeadShred9 I dunno you heard the strange Afro Cuban style metal coming out of Miami, freaking nuts! ruclips.net/video/H-ojmOh12eQ/видео.htmlsi=HIvJurUTfDwJJZJa CC is in English
Also, guitarists have access to an endless variety of guitars, amps, pedals, and modellers, yet they all sound the same. Back in the day, all there were Strats, Gibsons, and Marshalls, and everybody sounded different. Figure that one out!
@dogdays7120 Things evolve and grow but even back then, some of the subgenres we see today were getting started. Hell, 75% of the metal subgenres that exist can be attributed to different sections of Black Sabbath's career during the 70s.
I agree fully that modern metal is not memorable. In 20 years nobody will be talking about the djenty chug chug bands we have today, BUT they will still be talking about Sabbath, Priest, Metallica, and even Van Halen.
@@dbo0729 Jinjer. They are fantastic musicians, writers and composers doing some very creative, unique shit that draws from many sources. Yeah, there are exceptions.
I can agree with you, I grew up listening to stuff from AC/DC to Marduk and Morbid Angel. Personally I think now days bands do not write memorable stuff, they only focus on heavy detuned parts but the state is pretty stale. Old extreme metal bands yes they had growls /screams and detuned instruments but they had melody and song structure to them, this is why they are still going today. And btw I am not that old, class of 93.
I agree, most innovative music I've heard recently is out of Miami from a Cuban guy adopting Afro Cuban percussion instead of blues ruclips.net/video/H-ojmOh12eQ/видео.htmlsi=HIvJurUTfDwJJZJa CC is in English if you're curious
Metal thrives on contrast and dynamics. Metal with space, dynamics and melodies feels so much heavier to me than stuff trying to be absolutely brutal for the whole song. When folks turn any genre into a contest of how many notes per second people can play, something is lost. We don't need contests, gatekeeping or obsession with subgenres.
"Metal" for me is a community. We have a "metal" community here in western Sydney, Australia where everyone accepts all vaguely heavy rock/metal genres. Everything from psych rock / thrash / doom / metalcore / grindcore, you name it. We all love it out here!
Supporting other fans of metal has always been foundational to the metal scene, even when you’re not necessarily a fan of the same bands. The metal community has always strived to be inclusive, not exclusive. If this is being lost in the lyrics, message, and vibe of new metal fans that will is disheartening to hear. Hopefully that’s not the true trend. 🤘🤘
Like the other commenter said, this isn't new. Neo Classical shred was about being as technical as possible, thrash metal was about pushing the boundaries of speed adding punk elements to it, death metal came from people being bored with Thrash and wanting something more extreme, black metal, goregrind, and brutal death metal all came about from bands thinking the mainstream death metal bands had "sold out" and weren't pushing boundaries anymore. Metal after the 70's has always been a dick measuring contest.
I don't like Tech Death at all. Very impressive but boring as hell. I like a good hook I can head bang too! Bands like Killswitch Engage and Trivium do it well! IMO 🤘🤘
It’s funny because the other genre that I can think of that part is it does the same thing is jazz. They want to play all the notes all the time and then they discount anything different, get over yourselves
I think you are right! I'm a 90s Kid and listened to Bands like System of a down, Pantera, Metallica, Sepultura, Korn, Rage against the machine, Faith no more,...I miss the grove, the Innovation, the creativity and all the emotions that where in the sound, not just Aggression!
Groove is starting to come back slowly, but it's still mixed with blast beats and more modern feel. My favorite right now is slaughter to prevail. These guys are constantly growing soundwise. Check out Behelit and kod, their most recent songs
Completely agreed dude, I just went to a gig where the first 2 bands sounded like they played the same song for 40 minutes each. I have no idea what any of the songs were called, or what the lyrics were, or remember even a single riff. Because they had zero riffs. I was bored out of my mind.
Agree wholeheartedly! Blistering guitar without melody and dynamics is just blistering guitar. What we remember years later are the melodies and the groove. No recognizable melody or groove, no memory.
Great point really. Not just metal, but rock in general has this problem. The lack of groove makes the rock genre inferior in comparison to music before year 2000 in any genre. It's the main reason rnb and hip hop hits hard and thriving because it's groovy and you can remember the tunes.
If I hear someone scream and/or growl for an entire song, I don't even perceive it as heavy. My hearing channel for vocals just adapts to the growl and it starts to sounds normal. And since the growl is the same throughout the song, the entire song sounds the same and has absolutely no dynamic. It starts to sound as if someone is chatting about yesterday's Tupperware party in a very deep voice.
Haha, that's kind of what I thought when first listening to Meshuggah in the early 90s after reading about this very heavy exciting new band ...that turned out to be somewhat hypnotic but overall just insanely boring.
That comment is a bit ignorant and uninformed. There are several different ways to project screaming vocals. Sure there are does who just grunt the same way through a song but I would say a screaming vocalists today can be just as diverse as a clean singer.
@@rickardmoller7824 But what does it help if I hate all of it?! Seriously, the more technically refined harsh singing got the more boring I found it. And the really extreme vocalists are maybe good for a quick laugh but it's always nothing but a novelty to me.
@@TMJ-YT I can't comment on Shoegaze since I don't know enough about it, but people are already nostalgic for Dubstep (not "brostep" like Skrillex, but more so stuff like Benga, Skream, Digital Myztikz, etc. My guess is you'll just have to give it a few more years and people will be nostalgic for Skrillex type stuff as well) and it's also become widely acceptable to openly praise Limp Bizkit whereas 10 years ago everyone would rather be caught dead than admit they ever owned a single one of their albums or even had one of their songs on their mp3 player back in the day.
I was born in 1996, when I was 12 (in 2008) I started playing guitar. When I was 14 (in 2010) I asked my guitar teacher for more of a challenge, and he introduced me to Metallica, Guns n Roses, and AC/DC. So I grew up in my teens with that, and was (and still am) fascinated by Metallica. Which led me to discover Megadeth, Slayer, Exodus, Testament, Motorhead, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Dio, Pantera, and to me, THAT is metal. In recent years, I also started to love Gojira and Jinjer. That's also metal. But my problem with moder metal is this: WHERE IS THE GUITAR SOLO?
To me it seems like "metal" became more about the sound than composition. I feel like you could take an 80s pop song, give it the modern metal sounds (drop tuned guitars, clinical drums, djindjindjin bass, and too many vocal layers) and everyone would be creaming their pants how metal or heavy it is. I often hear some new metal band and often think "its just radio rock in a metal costume".
I constantly joke that I’m working on an album that’s tuned so low only whales can hear it😂 I’m closer to 60 than 50 now, I’ve been playing for 46 years, most of it has been playing metal, which is always my music of choice. I’m currently recording an album with a guitarist that I last played with in 1992 (and he’s edging closer to 70 than 60) and it’s a METAL album. Melodic, riffy, time changes, dramatic, sweeping majestic soundscapes, dynamics, harmonies, and absolutely NOT snapped to a grid, no sample replacements, no Sturgis sound packs. Real drums, real guitars tuned down 1/2 step through real amps. No auto tune. Metal is classical music on the wrong instruments. It invokes many tones, textures, & timing and sometimes the most brutal crushing thing is a well placed clean part or silence. I’m documenting the process and the first installments will be up on my RUclips in December.
I am 53, been a metalhead since my early teens. Yes, I am an old fart. I love the sound of modern dropped/low tuned guitars. But I really can't get on with modern vocalists, at least the men for the most part. The women vocalists are killing it!
I have to agree with Henning. Most modern metal is quantized to death, triggered drum samples with all nuance sacrificed for speed for the sake of speed.
Totally agree with you Henning. I had a symphonic/folk metal band with a female singer and a female keyboardist wich sang also backing vocals. No Screaming, just singing. Also we used standard six sting guitars with standard tuning, sometimes Drop D. We had pretty difficult times to get Gigs at the beginning because all the Promoter guys said we were too soft, we are not metal enough etc. When we were playing, everyone was positively shocked that melodic stuff can be heavy.
We're all old men now, Henning. I am pushing 50. I try to unite metal, to me metal is metal. I had a guy recently troll me trying to shame me for not being able to gravity blast at 210 bpm, whether I can or not, he didn't think I can. As if I even care what he thinks, I stopped trying to prove myself 25 years ago. More to the point, I am not the one uploading supposed live drum audition videos to join a band.
I had the honour of watching Periphery, Coheed and Cambria, Leprous and Intervals recently in Brisbane Australia. I have to say that the most memorable band for me that night was Leprous, which strangely enough, is the band I had heard the least prior to the concert. I guess they were the most memorable for me because they were the most dynamic. I agree with Henning that today's metal is way too compressed, and the fact that everybody uses the same presets in QC or Fractal also contributes to removing personality to each guitarist.
Yeah, you actually put my feelings in proper words. I actually quite enjoy listening to these kinds of new "low and broooodal" kinds of metal from time to time... but then afterwards I feel just like after scrolling through random instagram reels - I remember almost nothing.
When I was growing up in the 90’s I’d say I was into Metal. Not today. Metal to me was ‘Megadeth, Metallica, Pantera, Priest, Sabbath, Anthrax, Slayer and Maiden’ etc etc. Compared with today’s Metal bands those bands are almost Rock/Hard Rock. You can’t knock new bands just because they are not to our liking (most of them are not unfortunately) as music needs to evolve. And each generation needs to have their thing. We were very lucky in the amazing quality of new shit we grew up with. The modern stuff is just not for me and I agree with Henning (imagine that 😮) there’s no melody. And the vocals? 🤦♂️.
I'm 51 and have been into metal since I was around 15. I probably listen to more new metal now than I ever have, when I was young I was listening to more 70s rock too. These days I listen to lots of European melodeth and progressive metal. My ratio is definitely more new to old. Yet I still love Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Maiden. I do think that too many modern bands over rely on downtuning and extended range guitars to provide the heavy - rather than writing good heavy riffs. But that's not to mean those guitars aren't valid - just that many guitarists aren't making the best use of them. A heavy riff in E-standard is still heavy, but it takes skill to compose something like that, compared to just bashing away on an eight-string. On a separate subject I see plenty of metal "fans" claiming Maiden or Sabbath aren't metal. As though harsh vocals and extended range guitars are the only thing that are metal. If you claim the work of Tony Iommi isn't metal then I've no time for you. Metal is a broad family, a welcoming family, and there's no place for ignorance and gate keeping.
@@ericv7720 I think it’s goofy for grown-ass adults to identify as “metalheads” and fuss over what is and isn’t metal. 😄 Just enjoy the music you enjoy without all the juvenile nonsense.
Clearly old man yelling at cloud. And I 100% agree. Let us yell together: Let your damn Metal groove. Let it bloom. Give it space. Best Metal band therefore: Pantera. Groovy AF.
In your compilation I did recognize the In Flames song immediately.....but you have a point. The only argument I can make, is these were just small snippets of the songs. Some....not many....like 2 will leave that breathing space for dynamics
I'm with you 100% on this.. Astute observations .. I would say the "soul" has been lost ... Most of what comes out today, won't be remembered 20, 30 even 40 years from now.. Let alone next year..
Very valid observations close to my own. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that the so to say music (and not only music) consumtion habits of people have changed in a way that memorability is not important any longer. You just put on your wireless headphones in the morning and let spotify to fill in every moment of your day with preferably neutral white noise-like stuff which keeps you comfortably numb till the day is done. Just like in their lives people don't want these "in between notes" moments anymore and music just follows - fill the "empty" space, compress, forget about dynamics, don't let them breath or they may come off the hook...
Well said! I find most of modern metal stuff boring as hell. Yes, the guitarists are shred gods. The drummer insanely fast. But they all sound pretty generic and seem the have the cookie monster in their line up. Not every piece of music need lyrics, but if it has those, I want to have a chance to understand them.
When I grew up(in Sweden)we called it hardrock.Judas priest,iron maiden,black sabbath,rainbow,dokken,accept,scorpions,europe,van halen or metallica,it was all hardrock.
After you demo’d/reviewed the ESP LTD M-1007B ET guitar, I ordered one and followed as people received theirs and did videos. I came across Guitar Hoarder. He has a really unique style of chugging. Myself I am old and influenced from a different era, but appreciated his approach.
I think this is part of why the whole "Argent Metal" (Doom 2016/Mick Gordon stuff) subgenre is so well-loved: it's Groove metal. low tunings, heavy as hell, most of the melodies are industrial distorted synth lines - but it's super dynamic. It's CATCHY.
I kinda had the same conversation with my bass player. He asked why I dont like the all scream/growling metal. But I love the Deftones. Its because they sing and have dynamic vocals as well as screaming.
I remember having a conversation with a friend back in the 80's, probably 1987 or so, and my friend was saying that Dio was "true" metal, and I can remember thinking that he was right about that, heh.
My response to young people blindly typing "old man shouts at clouds" is always "young person yells at phone". Young people are probably WORSE for the whole "HOW DARE YOU NOT SHARE MY WORLD VIEW, I WILL NOW SHOUT ABOUT THIS TO ANYONE WHO WILL LISTEN ON TIKTOK AND INSTA!!" jfc the lack of self-awareness of irony levels of the youth is insane.
Bin von H auf C, dann Cis nu auf Drop-D, is mir f@#& heavy genug ! Hatte mal eine Jackson Kelly, mit einem 09.5-er-Satz auf Fis gestimmt. Mit der richtigen Nachbearbeitung klang sie oft wie eine Bariton/Bass. Less is sometimes more, you know, Yngve ?!
Hi HP, for technically reasons I totally love modern stuff as a guitar player, but my love is the late 70s to late 90s Metal (SKID ROW is Metal, too) of all genres. But I'm an old fart, too.🤘
We live in an ocean of bands, styles, riffs, instruments, genres, subgenres, techniques, images, screens, platforms, new albums, new gear.... Here's the main difference for me (if you were born after 2000, there's hardly any chance for you to understand what I'm about to say): In the 90's and 80's, you had to BUY PHYSICAL ALBUMS... Cassette tapes, vinyls, then CDs... It COSTED money... In fact, EVERY ALBUM was more expensive than your monthly Spotify subscription... Therefore, an album had to have VALUE!... You would sit down and LISTEN TO THE ENTIRETY OF IT... Nowadays, young people pay $15 a month, listen to 1/5 of an opener, then go to the next album, and the next, and the next... In this fractal structure of ever evolving constant novelties on all levels... No albums are having real impact. They're not even getting 5 minutes of attention... The time of GREAT bands is gone. The time of the sea of shit has arrived. And yes, the groove is GONE. Mostly.
Really good points and you're correct. Nowadays the bands - guitarists don't even have their personal - unique tone . There's so much processing in the studio, that most of the new bands sounding the same. I would listen the old stuff any day, but most of the new bands aren't my cup of tea and im not saying it to downgrade them. They just aren't my thing.
Honestly since like 2007 I've been into the heaviest genres it's some of my favorite music BUT the only guitarist I pay for on patreon is actually out of your era. He approaches things in ways im not used to and shows me what metal used to be and can still be. Great music is timeless and it's very possible these new bands are dime a dozen and forgotten while the classics live on. Give the scene 10 years and it will do a full 180 back to hair metal solos. Black dahlia murder is actually gravitating in that direction in some of their new material.
Scrolling through 236 tracks of New Releases in the Metal category on Spotify; of those with sticky riffs and whistlleable themes there was Deep Purple, Orange Goblin, Greenleaf, The Black Dahlia Murder, Darkthrone, The Morrison Project, Five Finger Death Punch, Judas Priest, and Bruce Dickinson, and a couple rhytm-riffers like Anvil, Accept, and Suicidal Angles. So if you leave out the old farts, there's by percentage not much melodic metal left. Anyhow - a shout-out to two of the orchestras whom brings joy to my ears and keeps the shoe-leather soft in these peculiar times; @Bokassa and @Bombus.
So many songs that are made today will have like 7 different hooks and riffs crammed within a minute and have 2 breakdowns and it's so frustrating because there ARE genuinely good ideas in a lot of songs but so many musicians are afraid of actually picking and choosing and committing to something so they just cram it all in one song and don't allow it to breathe
I agree whole heartedly. It's not that today's music is not good.... but is it memorable. Hard rock and metal from the 70s and 80s is so intertwined that that even people back then could not discern the major differences. As a teen, I called Ozzy, Maiden and Preist -metal, but I called Metallica, Testament, Megadeth -thrash. Somewhere down the line it all became -metal.
You have every right to "yell at the clouds" Henning! I have always been a Hard rock and Metal guitar player, and I grew up on that music and have been a listener for 40 years. Bark at the moon was the first "Metal" album that changed my life in 1983. As a guitar player, when I tell people I play metal, I have to explain to them that I play "Classic" heavy metal. Maiden, Priest, Saxon, Def Leppard, Ozzy/Sabbath,Dio, as well as a ton of 80's bands have always been where it's at for me. NWOBHM and "Classic" Metal are the roots, and are still metal, whether the new generation says it is or not.
I couldn’t help but hear the bands that originated those kinds of sounds when you played the examples . As in oh they’ve clearly listened to Morbid Angel , At the Gates . I was gonna say and cannibal corpse but I’m pretty certain that was actually a cannibal corpse track 😂
Hey Henning 👋 I am 63 growing up Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Kiss ,was Metal my mom said Kiss was devil music 😂 these days honestly I still listen and play 70's 80's 90's some new stuff but not much some new metal is really good and put together really well some is crap as a kid of the 60's i had a wide spectrum of music around me rock,country, spainish ,blues,pop, the 70's music exploded it was amazing time bro i could keep on blabbing but i wont,excellent topic Henning appreciate u man..👋💪🍺
You are spot on! It's becoming so polished, and stereo typed that it's all sounding the same. That's me! I prefer groove metal. Without the werewolf growling.
Damn right you can be brutal without subterranean low tunings. Opeth is a fantastic example that brutality is an arrangement and an attitude in the composition, not just down tuning and growling.
There is such a thing as the bass guitar which holds down the low end, and younger players forget that. The guitarist should just focus on good tone and jammin' riffs.
Finally someone gets the points ;) Thanks Henning, you basicly summed up the issues I have. No geat hooks and everything is overloaded with stuff. Sometimes less is more. I always prefered a aaccentuated double base insteed of having a double base running the whole song.
G4M ! Ich hab ne 529 FR Glacier Burst für 326€, und bin völlig begeistert. Bleibt gestimmt für Wochen, Edelstahl - Bünde, gute Pickups, Hals nicht zu dünn, Satin-Finish...die vielleicht beste Budget-Gitarre, die ich mir überhaupt denken kann ! Und ja, mit 59 sag ich schon lange: die heutigen Metaller haben diesen Groove nicht mehr, den es früher gab beim schnell-spielen, z. B Slayer, Dark Angel, etc. Es geht viel zu oft um schneller/härter/noch härtere Vocals. Rühmliche Ausnahmen: Riot City Electric Elite Lost Horizon ( erst vor ein paar Wochen entdeckt, gibt's auch schon nit mehr...). Und viele andere. Ooold days...😪
Todays metal is aesthetic commercialising. I totally feel what you're saying. I want to remind everyone that CHON was considered djent before their first album blew up the charts.
Brutal really can be memorable and classic. I love the modern growly and djenty metal (besides classic metal), but the most brutal album I am always coming back to is: Pantera - far beyond driven! Riffs for ages! In general, it is the variety in metal I love.
I basically agree with everything you’re saying. I’m 52, I listen to everything from 80s thrash to modern black metal. It’s the really low tuned riffs that lose tone and character, as you mentioned, which is the main problem. Doom metal, like Conan tune low but they use fuzz and play slow the riffs can breathe
I think the best thing today is that you can find what you like easily through streaming platforms so that you don't have to listen to whatever's popular if you don't want to.
I recall walking in a parking lot hearing some dreadful noise coming from a minivan. I thought that it had some severe mechanical problems. A little bit later I realized the occupants were listening to metal. At that moment I felt old. I do listen to some metal myself power metal and older classic metal.
It is funny. When you buy your first album in 1979 (Live Killer) and then are part of the whole hard rock / metal scene through the 80s. 1984, Freewheel Burning - gee, that was brutal. Back then, ha ha. And besides Thrash metal in all its variations, when 1990 Painkiller comes out and we all thought again - THAT is brutal. AND a great song (kind of the point the old man tries to make). Sure, not comparable to what happened in the decades to follow, but... you know what - I am so glad I had the joy and wonder following the development of metal through the decades. Cheers!
I do remeber this, very small but very vocal, crowd since I started listening to metal somewhere in the early nineties. They don't seem to have aged a day, just their faces and the music they bore me with. :-D
When literally everyone can publish whatever they want on digital platforms, don't be surprised the first million things the algorithm serves you are garbage (the trash refuse, not the 90s chillout band). It takes so much longer to find the gems these days, but when you do it's so rewarding.
The band I play bass for is really rooted in the 80s style of heavy metal. Hell, we're tuned to E Standard and play mostly on the A string. Will let you know when we have music up. Taking a minute because we have a new vocalist
I want metal to go back to James Dio style of singing and also early Ozzy metal. I want melodic and singing about dragons, and witches! Yess something with a groove.
What I've always liked about metal is that the genre is so versatile. From the softer, melodic part to the brutal stuff you mentioned. Like everything else, the subgenres in metal are also subject to change; in the past, black metal might have been “hard”, today it might be grindcore. Or technical death. Or, or... Everyone can choose what they like. For me, making derogatory comments about everything else doesn't correspond to what metal is for me. \m/
I agree . Also older and an Iron Maiden fan from the 80s. But also, Napalm Death and Carcass were doing the growling and fast thrashy and rolling drums back in the 80s, so it’s not even new.
Henning I’m gonna help you understand why people love and listen to Modren Metal. It’s not for the same reason you and i listen to music. People listen to the bands you mention not for the melodies or the grooves. They listen for how the song makes them feel. It’s a much more cathartic feeling than a typical song that you or I would listen to. It’s not about how catchy or memorable the song is for them.
110% AGREE!!!!!!!!! There is a newer band called Flat Black ( new band with Jason Hook former guitarist of Five Finger Death Punch) is a good example of some great heavy riffing with groove AND the singer can sing!! I think Henning would approve of them!
Totally agree with you, Slayer are a good example of memorable. Metal as it gets and didn't massively drop tune till later. Very little memorable music in any genre now
Modern metal is often so heavy that it's actually not heavy anymore. Your heaviest riff in a history of mankind is only really heavy if it has some not so heavy stuff around it (or inside of it). It's really strange that there was a space for melodies in Cannibal Corpse, Cryptopsy, Suffocation and lots of other older brutal as f**k death metal bands music, but modern metal thinks it's better then that.
Being at Minute 1:48 now and not knowing what you’ll say for the rest of the video: I don’t understand why there is such a weird “my music is better than yours”-Attitude. I don’t care if it’s deathmetal, Heavymetal, NuMetal, HardRock - it’s simply Music! Black Sabbath, Sabbaton, ABBA, The Beatles, Taylor Swift, Adele, Dua Lipa - they all have a reason to exist. I love good handmade music. I don’t listen to Taylor Swift, I don’t listen to Death Metal. But who cares! As long as they make the people happy that are listening to them, I cannot care less about the genre!
There’s only 2 genres in my book, music I like and music I don’t! Once you fall down the rabbit hole that is sub-genres of metal then you shut yourself off from a lot of great music that’s going on elsewhere
I understand the points you make on the riff part. I think the main difference today is that the whole song should be equal between the instuments/vocalist. While in the past, the riff was very important, today the guitar exists in the song. I prefer that, but I am not a guitarist and I know this channel is based a lot on guitars. For me, the drums and vocals make a song, the guitar/bass fills the space up together with synths or whatever sound might be used. The dynamic than happens because of various versions of break downs. So basically a drum line as a multi instrumental band. So no, I would probably not recognize riffs of most bands/songs I listen to. But I would recognize the vocals and even drum parts very often. At least I want to think so. Haven´t tried that yet.
That's why i listen to J.S.Bach It's like Metal without all the bad Stuff and with even multiple Melodies at the same time. 😊 Want an insane Solo? Listen to Brandenburg Concerto No.5 played by Karl Richter! He used a weird Harpsichord that had a 16 foot Register, sounding an Octave lower then a normal Harpsichord. 🤘
Good call. What used to be called heavy metal has now lost its most important adjective, but heavy can be found in any genre, abundantly so in classical music.
In all honesty modern metal has turned more into an unhealthy obsession with getting everything mapped to a grid, heavily down tuned, and as generic/formulaic as possible.
true. Also, everyone uses the same amp modellers. No one has to work out how to get a tone or steal a lick as its all there for you on the internet. Int he 70s and 80s guitarists had to figure it all out from the album and try to do it themselves. In doing that they came up with things of their own. And yes, I'm a grumpy old man.
Metal has become cookie cutter there are no New Bands that dont sound like they are remaking songs from the 70's , 80's & 90's . The EVH , DeMartini , Lynch , Rhoades , Vai , Satch kinda Guitarist are all to old . I am almost 60 now to old to make Music and Tour so where are the next Gen of Showoff Electric shredding Guitarist coming from ? They aren't IMHO .
Except heavily down tuned, еverything else seems to be the same for pop, disco, etc. (everything mapped to a grid, as generic/formulaic as possible) nowadays. I would add autotuned and edited aswell.
@@DeadShred9 I dunno you heard the strange Afro Cuban style metal coming out of Miami, freaking nuts! ruclips.net/video/H-ojmOh12eQ/видео.htmlsi=HIvJurUTfDwJJZJa CC is in English
Also, guitarists have access to an endless variety of guitars, amps, pedals, and modellers, yet they all sound the same. Back in the day, all there were Strats, Gibsons, and Marshalls, and everybody sounded different. Figure that one out!
People seem to be mistaking sub genres of metal for all of metal
EXACTLY
Amen 💯
... here you go: "sub genres of metal" ... hey ist music ... not science
Back in the 70's and early 80's it was just metal. Every metal band was under the genre of metal.
@dogdays7120 Things evolve and grow but even back then, some of the subgenres we see today were getting started. Hell, 75% of the metal subgenres that exist can be attributed to different sections of Black Sabbath's career during the 70s.
I agree fully that modern metal is not memorable. In 20 years nobody will be talking about the djenty chug chug bands we have today, BUT they will still be talking about Sabbath, Priest, Metallica, and even Van Halen.
Sabbath, Priest, Metallica, and Van Halen are still influencing musicians to this day.
I agree but Meshuggah is the exception.
@@dbo0729 Jinjer. They are fantastic musicians, writers and composers doing some very creative, unique shit that draws from many sources.
Yeah, there are exceptions.
"Your musicians were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should."
I have no idea anymore. I just listen to the shit I grew up with now. The new shit mostly sucks
There are plenty of new bands with that old school sound kicking ass. NWOTHM BABY!
Sometimes, the clouds need yelling at.
I can agree with you, I grew up listening to stuff from AC/DC to Marduk and Morbid Angel. Personally I think now days bands do not write memorable stuff, they only focus on heavy detuned parts but the state is pretty stale. Old extreme metal bands yes they had growls /screams and detuned instruments but they had melody and song structure to them, this is why they are still going today. And btw I am not that old, class of 93.
I agree, most innovative music I've heard recently is out of Miami from a Cuban guy adopting Afro Cuban percussion instead of blues ruclips.net/video/H-ojmOh12eQ/видео.htmlsi=HIvJurUTfDwJJZJa CC is in English if you're curious
Metal thrives on contrast and dynamics.
Metal with space, dynamics and melodies feels so much heavier to me than stuff trying to be absolutely brutal for the whole song. When folks turn any genre into a contest of how many notes per second people can play, something is lost. We don't need contests, gatekeeping or obsession with subgenres.
"Metal" for me is a community.
We have a "metal" community here in western Sydney, Australia where everyone accepts all vaguely heavy rock/metal genres.
Everything from psych rock / thrash / doom / metalcore / grindcore, you name it. We all love it out here!
Supporting other fans of metal has always been foundational to the metal scene, even when you’re not necessarily a fan of the same bands. The metal community has always strived to be inclusive, not exclusive. If this is being lost in the lyrics, message, and vibe of new metal fans that will is disheartening to hear. Hopefully that’s not the true trend. 🤘🤘
Excellent and how it should be Mate ! Well done !!
modern metal has turned into olympics rather than music.
This isn't new - It's been that way since the 1980's - when neo-classical shred became a thing.
Like the other commenter said, this isn't new. Neo Classical shred was about being as technical as possible, thrash metal was about pushing the boundaries of speed adding punk elements to it, death metal came from people being bored with Thrash and wanting something more extreme, black metal, goregrind, and brutal death metal all came about from bands thinking the mainstream death metal bands had "sold out" and weren't pushing boundaries anymore. Metal after the 70's has always been a dick measuring contest.
I don't like Tech Death at all. Very impressive but boring as hell. I like a good hook I can head bang too! Bands like Killswitch Engage and Trivium do it well! IMO 🤘🤘
It’s funny because the other genre that I can think of that part is it does the same thing is jazz. They want to play all the notes all the time and then they discount anything different, get over yourselves
Good quote, from Alexi Laiho I believe.
I think you are right! I'm a 90s Kid and listened to Bands like System of a down, Pantera, Metallica, Sepultura, Korn, Rage against the machine, Faith no more,...I miss the grove, the Innovation, the creativity and all the emotions that where in the sound, not just Aggression!
Groove is starting to come back slowly, but it's still mixed with blast beats and more modern feel. My favorite right now is slaughter to prevail. These guys are constantly growing soundwise. Check out Behelit and kod, their most recent songs
Completely agreed dude, I just went to a gig where the first 2 bands sounded like they played the same song for 40 minutes each. I have no idea what any of the songs were called, or what the lyrics were, or remember even a single riff. Because they had zero riffs. I was bored out of my mind.
Well said Henney. I'm a huge Iron Maiden fan-classic metal band. Keep up the great work mate!
Agree wholeheartedly! Blistering guitar without melody and dynamics is just blistering guitar. What we remember years later are the melodies and the groove. No recognizable melody or groove, no memory.
Great point really. Not just metal, but rock in general has this problem. The lack of groove makes the rock genre inferior in comparison to music before year 2000 in any genre. It's the main reason rnb and hip hop hits hard and thriving because it's groovy and you can remember the tunes.
If I hear someone scream and/or growl for an entire song, I don't even perceive it as heavy. My hearing channel for vocals just adapts to the growl and it starts to sounds normal. And since the growl is the same throughout the song, the entire song sounds the same and has absolutely no dynamic. It starts to sound as if someone is chatting about yesterday's Tupperware party in a very deep voice.
Haha, that's kind of what I thought when first listening to Meshuggah in the early 90s after reading about this very heavy exciting new band ...that turned out to be somewhat hypnotic but overall just insanely boring.
Except Lorna Shore. Only if orcs have Tupperware parties.
A lot of really "heavy" music sounds a lot like ambient music because of this. And I don't mind that! 😄
That comment is a bit ignorant and uninformed. There are several different ways to project screaming vocals. Sure there are does who just grunt the same way through a song but I would say a screaming vocalists today can be just as diverse as a clean singer.
@@rickardmoller7824
But what does it help if I hate all of it?!
Seriously, the more technically refined harsh singing got the more boring I found it.
And the really extreme vocalists are maybe good for a quick laugh but it's always nothing but a novelty to me.
Just imagine the classic rock stream in 30 years with all the djent material and people going “ahh, those were the days.”
Some eras are deleted from memory. E.g. Fred Durst. Dubstep. Shoegaze.
@@TMJ-YT I can't comment on Shoegaze since I don't know enough about it, but people are already nostalgic for Dubstep (not "brostep" like Skrillex, but more so stuff like Benga, Skream, Digital Myztikz, etc. My guess is you'll just have to give it a few more years and people will be nostalgic for Skrillex type stuff as well) and it's also become widely acceptable to openly praise Limp Bizkit whereas 10 years ago everyone would rather be caught dead than admit they ever owned a single one of their albums or even had one of their songs on their mp3 player back in the day.
I was born in 1996, when I was 12 (in 2008) I started playing guitar. When I was 14 (in 2010) I asked my guitar teacher for more of a challenge, and he introduced me to Metallica, Guns n Roses, and AC/DC. So I grew up in my teens with that, and was (and still am) fascinated by Metallica. Which led me to discover Megadeth, Slayer, Exodus, Testament, Motorhead, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Dio, Pantera, and to me, THAT is metal. In recent years, I also started to love Gojira and Jinjer. That's also metal. But my problem with moder metal is this: WHERE IS THE GUITAR SOLO?
To me it seems like "metal" became more about the sound than composition. I feel like you could take an 80s pop song, give it the modern metal sounds (drop tuned guitars, clinical drums, djindjindjin bass, and too many vocal layers) and everyone would be creaming their pants how metal or heavy it is.
I often hear some new metal band and often think "its just radio rock in a metal costume".
As just another old guy I have one question for the new generation of metalheads , how many decades will your songs be iconic? Time will tell.
As an old 70s-2000s blues,metal,hair,grunge,punk. Player, I'm happy living in the past with the music I love! Thanks 🤘
I don't care what kind of metal is "in" - I listen only to metal I like! And I like a lot ...
I listen to metal. It just so happens that I don't listen to any of it post 2006 (or thereabouts), other than legacy artists who are still active.
I constantly joke that I’m working on an album that’s tuned so low only whales can hear it😂
I’m closer to 60 than 50 now, I’ve been playing for 46 years, most of it has been playing metal, which is always my music of choice. I’m currently recording an album with a guitarist that I last played with in 1992 (and he’s edging closer to 70 than 60) and it’s a METAL album. Melodic, riffy, time changes, dramatic, sweeping majestic soundscapes, dynamics, harmonies, and absolutely NOT snapped to a grid, no sample replacements, no Sturgis sound packs. Real drums, real guitars tuned down 1/2 step through real amps. No auto tune. Metal is classical music on the wrong instruments. It invokes many tones, textures, & timing and sometimes the most brutal crushing thing is a well placed clean part or silence. I’m documenting the process and the first installments will be up on my RUclips in December.
I am 53, been a metalhead since my early teens. Yes, I am an old fart. I love the sound of modern dropped/low tuned guitars. But I really can't get on with modern vocalists, at least the men for the most part. The women vocalists are killing it!
I am 33 and can never agreed more!
Almost all the new metal I listen to these days is women vocalists.
i mostly listen to symphonic metal nowadays, mostly female singers. they have catchy riffs, good melodies and are still pretty heavy.
I have to agree with Henning. Most modern metal is quantized to death, triggered drum samples with all nuance sacrificed for speed for the sake of speed.
Totally agree with you Henning. I had a symphonic/folk metal band with a female singer and a female keyboardist wich sang also backing vocals. No Screaming, just singing. Also we used standard six sting guitars with standard tuning, sometimes Drop D.
We had pretty difficult times to get Gigs at the beginning because all the Promoter guys said we were too soft, we are not metal enough etc. When we were playing, everyone was positively shocked that melodic stuff can be heavy.
We're all old men now, Henning. I am pushing 50. I try to unite metal, to me metal is metal. I had a guy recently troll me trying to shame me for not being able to gravity blast at 210 bpm, whether I can or not, he didn't think I can. As if I even care what he thinks, I stopped trying to prove myself 25 years ago. More to the point, I am not the one uploading supposed live drum audition videos to join a band.
One thing I love about Exhumed, a death metal band who makes it a point to not use double bass drumming or hyperblasts!
Old as it is, Black Sabbath still rules. It's still beautiful. That's what lacking nowadays, beauty.
Another engaging video! Thanks
I was expecting one of your dogs to come running in when you did your "Arf, arf, arf, arf" low riff demonstration. 🤣
I had the honour of watching Periphery, Coheed and Cambria, Leprous and Intervals recently in Brisbane Australia. I have to say that the most memorable band for me that night was Leprous, which strangely enough, is the band I had heard the least prior to the concert. I guess they were the most memorable for me because they were the most dynamic.
I agree with Henning that today's metal is way too compressed, and the fact that everybody uses the same presets in QC or Fractal also contributes to removing personality to each guitarist.
Yeah, you actually put my feelings in proper words. I actually quite enjoy listening to these kinds of new "low and broooodal" kinds of metal from time to time... but then afterwards I feel just like after scrolling through random instagram reels - I remember almost nothing.
I went back to punk rock and have had nothing but fun since
When I was growing up in the 90’s I’d say I was into Metal. Not today. Metal to me was ‘Megadeth, Metallica, Pantera, Priest, Sabbath, Anthrax, Slayer and Maiden’ etc etc. Compared with today’s Metal bands those bands are almost Rock/Hard Rock. You can’t knock new bands just because they are not to our liking (most of them are not unfortunately) as music needs to evolve. And each generation needs to have their thing. We were very lucky in the amazing quality of new shit we grew up with. The modern stuff is just not for me and I agree with Henning (imagine that 😮) there’s no melody. And the vocals? 🤦♂️.
i mostly agree and the bands you mentioned are the ones id mention too.
try these bands…trivium architects and arch enemy. youre welcome \M/
@ I like Trivium 🤘
theyre a cut above for sure
I'm 51 and have been into metal since I was around 15. I probably listen to more new metal now than I ever have, when I was young I was listening to more 70s rock too. These days I listen to lots of European melodeth and progressive metal. My ratio is definitely more new to old. Yet I still love Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Maiden. I do think that too many modern bands over rely on downtuning and extended range guitars to provide the heavy - rather than writing good heavy riffs. But that's not to mean those guitars aren't valid - just that many guitarists aren't making the best use of them. A heavy riff in E-standard is still heavy, but it takes skill to compose something like that, compared to just bashing away on an eight-string.
On a separate subject I see plenty of metal "fans" claiming Maiden or Sabbath aren't metal. As though harsh vocals and extended range guitars are the only thing that are metal. If you claim the work of Tony Iommi isn't metal then I've no time for you. Metal is a broad family, a welcoming family, and there's no place for ignorance and gate keeping.
I’m not sure the point of a comments section is to repeat exactly what was said in the video
Fans saying "X isn't metal" is just metalhead virtue signalling. If you have to argue over whether any band is metal, then they are, in fact, metal.
@@ericv7720 I think it’s goofy for grown-ass adults to identify as “metalheads” and fuss over what is and isn’t metal. 😄 Just enjoy the music you enjoy without all the juvenile nonsense.
Those aren't gatekeepers those are Posers.
@@fclefjefff4041 Right?
Clearly old man yelling at cloud. And I 100% agree. Let us yell together: Let your damn Metal groove. Let it bloom. Give it space. Best Metal band therefore: Pantera. Groovy AF.
Metal is a very wide spectrum, love it all. I have found G4M very good, I used them for quite a few orders.
In your compilation I did recognize the In Flames song immediately.....but you have a point. The only argument I can make, is these were just small snippets of the songs. Some....not many....like 2 will leave that breathing space for dynamics
I'm with you 100% on this..
Astute observations ..
I would say the "soul" has been lost ... Most of what comes out today, won't be remembered 20, 30 even 40 years from now.. Let alone next year..
Very valid observations close to my own. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that the so to say music (and not only music) consumtion habits of people have changed in a way that memorability is not important any longer. You just put on your wireless headphones in the morning and let spotify to fill in every moment of your day with preferably neutral white noise-like stuff which keeps you comfortably numb till the day is done. Just like in their lives people don't want these "in between notes" moments anymore and music just follows - fill the "empty" space, compress, forget about dynamics, don't let them breath or they may come off the hook...
I agree totally. I've been thinking the same for years, so it's refreshing to hear it from someone like you! 🤘
Well said! I find most of modern metal stuff boring as hell. Yes, the guitarists are shred gods. The drummer insanely fast. But they all sound pretty generic and seem the have the cookie monster in their line up. Not every piece of music need lyrics, but if it has those, I want to have a chance to understand them.
Drone and dissonant is what the 5 string banjo is all about, too, btw. Not to mention the speed and discipline. And brutal.
When I grew up(in Sweden)we called it hardrock.Judas priest,iron maiden,black sabbath,rainbow,dokken,accept,scorpions,europe,van halen or metallica,it was all hardrock.
"Heavy Trip" - finish comedy film about a Metalband in a small town - I personally don't like Metal, but this movie is marvellous : )
There's a sequel that is going to be released soon; "heavier trip".
After you demo’d/reviewed the ESP LTD M-1007B ET guitar, I ordered one and followed as people received theirs and did videos. I came across Guitar Hoarder. He has a really unique style of chugging. Myself I am old and influenced from a different era, but appreciated his approach.
This might be the best sundy`s rant so far! Thx for this topic!
Definitely agree. Check out Dirty Mosfet, I like to think groove and melody are important in all genres.
I think this is part of why the whole "Argent Metal" (Doom 2016/Mick Gordon stuff) subgenre is so well-loved: it's Groove metal. low tunings, heavy as hell, most of the melodies are industrial distorted synth lines - but it's super dynamic. It's CATCHY.
you explain what MANY actually think and feel
I couldn't agree more Henning.
I love your rant videos so much.
I kinda had the same conversation with my bass player. He asked why I dont like the all scream/growling metal. But I love the Deftones. Its because they sing and have dynamic vocals as well as screaming.
I remember having a conversation with a friend back in the 80's, probably 1987 or so, and my friend was saying that Dio was "true" metal, and I can remember thinking that he was right about that, heh.
Summary: Henning prefers Schlagermetal over Athletic Metal. Cue Cindy & Bert, "Der Hund von Baskerville".
komm DU mir mal hier her....
Cindy & Bert hat ja wohl mal gebatscht. Heavier geht's nicht.
Henning weiß aber, wie man Gitarren stimmt, und wird daher dieses Lied gewiss nicht als Ohrenschmaus betiteln wollen 😂
Its funny when other Metalheads talk like people who know nothing about Metal. Where do they think the stereotypes come from. Love the video
Actually some of your examples were really fun to listen :D
I agree with what you're saying...but that stuff you played ALL sounds pretty fucking awesome! 😄🤘
Haha!
My observation between old metal and modern metal is that it's changed from a melody focus to a rhythm focus.
My response to young people blindly typing "old man shouts at clouds" is always "young person yells at phone".
Young people are probably WORSE for the whole "HOW DARE YOU NOT SHARE MY WORLD VIEW, I WILL NOW SHOUT ABOUT THIS TO ANYONE WHO WILL LISTEN ON TIKTOK AND INSTA!!"
jfc the lack of self-awareness of irony levels of the youth is insane.
Almost every song on Mastodon's Leviathan is in D Standard tuning... and is one of the heaviest Metal albums ever
Bin von H auf C, dann Cis nu auf Drop-D, is mir f@#& heavy genug !
Hatte mal eine Jackson Kelly, mit einem 09.5-er-Satz auf Fis gestimmt. Mit der richtigen Nachbearbeitung klang sie oft wie eine Bariton/Bass.
Less is sometimes more, you know, Yngve ?!
Hi HP, for technically reasons I totally love modern stuff as a guitar player, but my love is the late 70s to late 90s Metal (SKID ROW is Metal, too) of all genres. But I'm an old fart, too.🤘
Winger - Junkyard Dog (Tears on Stone)
I defy anyone to not call that heavy (and its f**king Winger!!!)
amazing bloody song!
Pull was a masterpiece, and I'm not afraid to say it either.
@jjcollins YES!! ❤️
Winger is Glam Metal with a nice touch of Prog and they rule. Glam Metal, is still Metal.
We live in an ocean of bands, styles, riffs, instruments, genres, subgenres, techniques, images, screens, platforms, new albums, new gear....
Here's the main difference for me (if you were born after 2000, there's hardly any chance for you to understand what I'm about to say):
In the 90's and 80's, you had to BUY PHYSICAL ALBUMS... Cassette tapes, vinyls, then CDs... It COSTED money... In fact, EVERY ALBUM was more expensive than your monthly Spotify subscription...
Therefore, an album had to have VALUE!... You would sit down and LISTEN TO THE ENTIRETY OF IT...
Nowadays, young people pay $15 a month, listen to 1/5 of an opener, then go to the next album, and the next, and the next...
In this fractal structure of ever evolving constant novelties on all levels... No albums are having real impact. They're not even getting 5 minutes of attention...
The time of GREAT bands is gone.
The time of the sea of shit has arrived.
And yes, the groove is GONE. Mostly.
Really good points and you're correct. Nowadays the bands - guitarists don't even have their personal - unique tone . There's so much processing in the studio, that most of the new bands sounding the same.
I would listen the old stuff any day, but most of the new bands aren't my cup of tea and im not saying it to downgrade them. They just aren't my thing.
Honestly since like 2007 I've been into the heaviest genres it's some of my favorite music BUT the only guitarist I pay for on patreon is actually out of your era. He approaches things in ways im not used to and shows me what metal used to be and can still be. Great music is timeless and it's very possible these new bands are dime a dozen and forgotten while the classics live on. Give the scene 10 years and it will do a full 180 back to hair metal solos. Black dahlia murder is actually gravitating in that direction in some of their new material.
Scrolling through 236 tracks of New Releases in the Metal category on Spotify; of those with sticky riffs and whistlleable themes there was Deep Purple, Orange Goblin, Greenleaf, The Black Dahlia Murder, Darkthrone, The Morrison Project, Five Finger Death Punch, Judas Priest, and Bruce Dickinson, and a couple rhytm-riffers like Anvil, Accept, and Suicidal Angles. So if you leave out the old farts, there's by percentage not much melodic metal left. Anyhow - a shout-out to two of the orchestras whom brings joy to my ears and keeps the shoe-leather soft in these peculiar times; @Bokassa and @Bombus.
So many songs that are made today will have like 7 different hooks and riffs crammed within a minute and have 2 breakdowns and it's so frustrating because there ARE genuinely good ideas in a lot of songs but so many musicians are afraid of actually picking and choosing and committing to something so they just cram it all in one song and don't allow it to breathe
I agree whole heartedly. It's not that today's music is not good.... but is it memorable. Hard rock and metal from the 70s and 80s is so intertwined that that even people back then could not discern the major differences. As a teen, I called Ozzy, Maiden and Preist -metal, but I called Metallica, Testament, Megadeth -thrash. Somewhere down the line it all became -metal.
My favourite video of the week: Henning’s Rant. 👍🤘. Once again I find myself in complete agreement. Cheers mate!🤘🤘🤘
You have every right to "yell at the clouds" Henning! I have always been a Hard rock and Metal guitar player, and I grew up on that music and have been a listener for 40 years. Bark at the moon was the first "Metal" album that changed my life in 1983. As a guitar player, when I tell people I play metal, I have to explain to them that I play "Classic" heavy metal. Maiden, Priest, Saxon, Def Leppard, Ozzy/Sabbath,Dio, as well as a ton of 80's bands have always been where it's at for me. NWOBHM and "Classic" Metal are the roots, and are still metal, whether the new generation says it is or not.
I couldn’t help but hear the bands that originated those kinds of sounds when you played the examples . As in oh they’ve clearly listened to Morbid Angel , At the Gates . I was gonna say and cannibal corpse but I’m pretty certain that was actually a cannibal corpse track 😂
Hey Henning 👋 I am 63 growing up Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Kiss ,was Metal my mom said Kiss was devil music 😂 these days honestly I still listen and play 70's 80's 90's some new stuff but not much some new metal is really good and put together really well some is crap as a kid of the 60's i had a wide spectrum of music around me rock,country, spainish ,blues,pop, the 70's music exploded it was amazing time bro i could keep on blabbing but i wont,excellent topic Henning appreciate u man..👋💪🍺
You are spot on! It's becoming so polished, and stereo typed that it's all sounding the same. That's me! I prefer groove metal. Without the werewolf growling.
Damn right you can be brutal without subterranean low tunings. Opeth is a fantastic example that brutality is an arrangement and an attitude in the composition, not just down tuning and growling.
There is such a thing as the bass guitar which holds down the low end, and younger players forget that. The guitarist should just focus on good tone and jammin' riffs.
Finally someone gets the points ;) Thanks Henning, you basicly summed up the issues I have. No geat hooks and everything is overloaded with stuff. Sometimes less is more. I always prefered a aaccentuated double base insteed of having a double base running the whole song.
G4M !
Ich hab ne 529 FR Glacier Burst für 326€, und bin völlig begeistert. Bleibt gestimmt für Wochen, Edelstahl - Bünde, gute Pickups, Hals nicht zu dünn, Satin-Finish...die vielleicht beste Budget-Gitarre, die ich mir überhaupt denken kann !
Und ja, mit 59 sag ich schon lange: die heutigen Metaller haben diesen Groove nicht mehr, den es früher gab beim schnell-spielen, z. B Slayer, Dark Angel, etc. Es geht viel zu oft um schneller/härter/noch härtere Vocals.
Rühmliche Ausnahmen:
Riot City Electric Elite
Lost Horizon ( erst vor ein paar Wochen entdeckt, gibt's auch schon nit mehr...).
Und viele andere.
Ooold days...😪
It's COMPRESSION on all levels. Not just in respect to loudness mastering, but also with the playing itself.
Result: ear fatigue, also on all levels.
Todays metal is aesthetic commercialising. I totally feel what you're saying. I want to remind everyone that CHON was considered djent before their first album blew up the charts.
Brutal really can be memorable and classic. I love the modern growly and djenty metal (besides classic metal), but the most brutal album I am always coming back to is: Pantera - far beyond driven! Riffs for ages!
In general, it is the variety in metal I love.
I basically agree with everything you’re saying. I’m 52, I listen to everything from 80s thrash to modern black metal. It’s the really low tuned riffs that lose tone and character, as you mentioned, which is the main problem. Doom metal, like Conan tune low but they use fuzz and play slow the riffs can breathe
I'd consider Smoke On The Water to be one of the earliest examples of metal without a doubt.
I think the best thing today is that you can find what you like easily through streaming platforms so that you don't have to listen to whatever's popular if you don't want to.
I recall walking in a parking lot hearing some dreadful noise coming from a minivan. I thought that it had some severe mechanical problems. A little bit later I realized the occupants were listening to metal. At that moment I felt old. I do listen to some metal myself power metal and older classic metal.
Rick Beato: That commenter just said "get off my lawn" ?!??! BAN!!!
Henning: Tee Hee, I'm a boomer!
😂
It is funny. When you buy your first album in 1979 (Live Killer) and then are part of the whole hard rock / metal scene through the 80s. 1984, Freewheel Burning - gee, that was brutal. Back then, ha ha. And besides Thrash metal in all its variations, when 1990 Painkiller comes out and we all thought again - THAT is brutal. AND a great song (kind of the point the old man tries to make). Sure, not comparable to what happened in the decades to follow, but... you know what - I am so glad I had the joy and wonder following the development of metal through the decades. Cheers!
I do remeber this, very small but very vocal, crowd since I started listening to metal somewhere in the early nineties. They don't seem to have aged a day, just their faces and the music they bore me with. :-D
Hi, I though the old man was going to do his metal scream that started this whole channel out from the beginning! :) Hi Henning!
When literally everyone can publish whatever they want on digital platforms, don't be surprised the first million things the algorithm serves you are garbage (the trash refuse, not the 90s chillout band). It takes so much longer to find the gems these days, but when you do it's so rewarding.
The band I play bass for is really rooted in the 80s style of heavy metal. Hell, we're tuned to E Standard and play mostly on the A string. Will let you know when we have music up. Taking a minute because we have a new vocalist
I want metal to go back to James Dio style of singing and also early Ozzy metal. I want melodic and singing about dragons, and witches! Yess something with a groove.
Ich wünschte, ich könnt' zaubern und das alles verändern ! Die epische Sagenwelt wiederbeleben.
Ich arbeite dran !
@@ManfredFechter-kc7iy each one of us is trying to do our part! Thank you for your efforts!
What I've always liked about metal is that the genre is so versatile. From the softer, melodic part to the brutal stuff you mentioned. Like everything else, the subgenres in metal are also subject to change; in the past, black metal might have been “hard”, today it might be grindcore. Or technical death. Or, or... Everyone can choose what they like. For me, making derogatory comments about everything else doesn't correspond to what metal is for me. \m/
Music is a matter of personal aesthetic. That being said, I agree with you 100% 😊
I agree . Also older and an Iron Maiden fan from the 80s. But also, Napalm Death and Carcass were doing the growling and fast thrashy and rolling drums back in the 80s, so it’s not even new.
Henning I’m gonna help you understand why people love and listen to Modren Metal. It’s not for the same reason you and i listen to music. People listen to the bands you mention not for the melodies or the grooves. They listen for how the song makes them feel. It’s a much more cathartic feeling than a typical song that you or I would listen to. It’s not about how catchy or memorable the song is for them.
110% AGREE!!!!!!!!! There is a newer band called Flat Black ( new band with Jason Hook former guitarist of Five Finger Death Punch) is a good example of some great heavy riffing with groove AND the singer can sing!! I think Henning would approve of them!
Totally agree with you, Slayer are a good example of memorable. Metal as it gets and didn't massively drop tune till later. Very little memorable music in any genre now
Modern metal is often so heavy that it's actually not heavy anymore. Your heaviest riff in a history of mankind is only really heavy if it has some not so heavy stuff around it (or inside of it). It's really strange that there was a space for melodies in Cannibal Corpse, Cryptopsy, Suffocation and lots of other older brutal as f**k death metal bands music, but modern metal thinks it's better then that.
Being at Minute 1:48 now and not knowing what you’ll say for the rest of the video:
I don’t understand why there is such a weird “my music is better than yours”-Attitude. I don’t care if it’s deathmetal, Heavymetal, NuMetal, HardRock - it’s simply Music! Black Sabbath, Sabbaton, ABBA, The Beatles, Taylor Swift, Adele, Dua Lipa - they all have a reason to exist.
I love good handmade music. I don’t listen to Taylor Swift, I don’t listen to Death Metal. But who cares! As long as they make the people happy that are listening to them, I cannot care less about the genre!
YES !!!!
There’s only 2 genres in my book, music I like and music I don’t! Once you fall down the rabbit hole that is sub-genres of metal then you shut yourself off from a lot of great music that’s going on elsewhere
@@MattSwain1 We have both kinds of music: country and western. 😀 SCNR.
I understand the points you make on the riff part. I think the main difference today is that the whole song should be equal between the instuments/vocalist. While in the past, the riff was very important, today the guitar exists in the song. I prefer that, but I am not a guitarist and I know this channel is based a lot on guitars. For me, the drums and vocals make a song, the guitar/bass fills the space up together with synths or whatever sound might be used. The dynamic than happens because of various versions of break downs. So basically a drum line as a multi instrumental band.
So no, I would probably not recognize riffs of most bands/songs I listen to. But I would recognize the vocals and even drum parts very often. At least I want to think so. Haven´t tried that yet.
That's why i listen to J.S.Bach
It's like Metal without all the bad Stuff and with even multiple Melodies at the same time. 😊
Want an insane Solo? Listen to Brandenburg Concerto No.5 played by Karl Richter! He used a weird Harpsichord that had a 16 foot Register, sounding an Octave lower then a normal Harpsichord. 🤘
J.S Bach is the best of the best.
Good call. What used to be called heavy metal has now lost its most important adjective, but heavy can be found in any genre, abundantly so in classical music.