Ridley Scott retconning the Blade Runner universe into the Alien universe is especially galling considering he didn't even write the original Alien movie. He also didn't write Blade Runner. Don't get me wrong, Scott is a phenomenal director. But he should leave the writing aspect of filmmaking to people who are better at it.
they both have synthetics/androids. but where ripley 8 set foot on earth, the setting and timeline was off. in blade runner, they wouldn't have known about engineers before prometheus. and noone could have reported back what happened there. especially if you put into consideration what happened in "fire and stone" arc in comics. that would be a nice movie to make going forward. nobody will have any data about xenomorphs and engineers/jockey until the very first alien movie
Most big horror movie franchises are confusing because they’ve always been stupid and not bound to in-universe rules. Alien and Aliens were smart and thoughtfully written. They deserve better sequels. This isn’t Friday the 13th.
@ Prometheus and covenant are okay but they don’t make any sense. The offspring in my opinion is probably the most disturbing thing in the movie but it was unnecessary.
@@Xenomorph.fan24 It's a direct confirmation that the lore introduced in the prequels is still very much canon, it was unnecessary for the stand alone story of Romulus but it wasn't added for no reason, it's the biggest connection the film has to the rest of the franchise.
The worst line can only be "what the fans wanted" - if you had asked any fan afer Alien what they wanted...do you think they would have come up with the story of Aliens? - Fans know shit...until they get a new film and then they can say "meh". If Fans knew what they wanted, studios give it to them, because it would be a win / win for both
Ridley's ego, that is why it is so confusing. Xenomorphs were a lot better as giant space bugs, an invasive species that no one can deal with. A complete force of nature that humans can not control. Then Mr. Scott turned them into some kind of experiment for an android who has daddy issues. 🙄 They should have just followed the books and comics.
Originaly the Xenomorph was not just a space bug. It was a biomechanical creature. A fusion of tech and biology. But It was Cameron who first visualized them as mere mindless insects ala starship troopers (and tried to add sexy blue humanoid aliens that you can (censored) to the lore too). Although, I do agree that scott basically retconned them into mere experiments gone wrong... killing the "alien" factor to the aliens. Basically just replacing one cliche with another. Ignoring the timeless concept of the original. Either way, Most Sci-fi stories are stuck at visualizing extraterestial monsters as exaggerated variant of earth's local fauna anyway. Which made me appreciate the originality of the xenomorph concept even more.
While Ridley Scott is free to do whatever he wants, not everything needs to be one big interconnected universe. Just let Blade Runner and Alien be their own things. There's enough room in our imaginations for multiple cinematic universes. Yes. Even DC's.
Yes, three thematically linked decent movies (sorry Newt and Hicks fans) and a very decent game that fits between the first two and even filling in the radio signal plothole. The rest is just extremely varied quality fanfiction.
Glad you mentioned Isolation.... Good gods is that an amazing survival horror game. ... Probably one of the best. There's an amazing playthrough with no commentary I watched recently... I'll share it if you're interested and respond
Thematically, there's confusion. The first two movies were gender-neutral impreg body horror films with female heroes about brutal, stupid, capitalist dystopias. But 2 also introduced motherhood. And 3 abandoned the anti-capitalism. And 4 onward became obsessed with evil mixed race alien babies over and over as the biggest threat. And they kept killing off or writing out their final female survivors between films for the last three. The franchise learned to love capitalism and hate women. So they got weird.
This is also why the by-far best-reviewed Terminator movies among audiences and fans (1, 2, and... yes... Dark Fate...hate the messenger if you want) have Sarah Connor in them. The Terminator movies are about mothers learning to start revolutions against cruel systems created by capitalists and warmongers while trying to maintain their humanity. And Terminator Zero is aboooooout... mothers and fathers trying to fight revolutions against mechanized systems of war while protecting children. And Sarah Connor Chronicles is abooooout... you get the idea. The movies aren't about John Connor or Kyle Reese. But every hack keeps trying to make a Kyle Reese movie or kill off John Connor or both.
i honestly dont find the franchise super confusing personally. Space is a huge place, and honestly all of these isolated stories could come to pass in the endless darkness out there.
What screwed the Alien series up is the prequels, because prequels almost always screw up a franchise. We never needed to know the xenomorphs origins, part of what makes them scary is that aspect of the unknown, they are cosmic horror. Now though all the movies are tainted by the knowledge that the xenomorphs are not some unknowable threat which might lurk on any planet humans settle on, but instead they were created by a robot with daddy issues, and for reasons never well explained created the xenomorphs. This creates an issue for the future of the franchise because unless they can come up with a way that David seeded more planets with the xenomorphs, we're stuck with LV-426 being the sole source of them, and the ship was destroyed when the station blew during Aliens. Look at how Romulus had to bring them back with a sudden ability to cocoon themselves in space. We can expect the Alien franchise to become more convoluted as they try and work the terrible ideas of the prequel trilogy into any future installments. That's why for my head cannon it's just Alien. Aliens, Alien 3, and Alien: Isolation. As a fun bit of head cannon I've always like to view the Blade Runner and the Alien movies as timelines where Skynet was never able to take over so we get these universes where the the tech that would have created Skynet and the terminators being following a different path.
you'll potentially need to add another game to your head cannon if you're willing to include Isolation, because it's developer Creative Assembly announced on the 10th anneversary of it's release that they're working on a sequal and it's in early development.
Agreed. The series did not need backstory. Also, I *HATE* the black goo, especially now that it seems like it'll be a recurring element. Like these movies weren't random enough already, now we have an all-purpose plot device able to do create any type of body horror without any actual explanation. Sigh.
@ yep. I mostly liked Romulus, but it didn't need the black goo as a plot device, or the Engineer mutant baby at the end. It was too much of a ripoff of Resurrection. There was a number of different ways they could have taken that story, but because they had to connect it to Prometheus they made it less interesting.
This video highlights the biggest problem all the subsequent films have had: they've all floundered in their attempt to bring something fresh to the table, because none of them has succeeded in making their own statement. New creature concepts should be a central conceit of the franchise, and it's one of the few strengths of any of the weaker follow ups, because these monsters iterate and adapt to their situation each time they're spawned. If the franchise really wanted to be interesting, these creatures would never really be the quite the same from one film to the next. There should always be some degree of not just variability in appearance, but unpredictability in their mutation, to the extent that there should always be a surprise the audience hasn't seen before. We get that to an extent with the dog alien, and the hybrid newborn, and the squidhugger, and the deacon. But they're all from flawed films that got on people's nerves for one reason or another. Romulus seemed to hit the right aesthetic notes and had a nice look and feel, but just like any cover band, it's not performing its own songs, it's just playing someone else's hits. Combine that with how it veered into cringe territory in ways that fans were justifiably critical of, and many were left rolling their eyes at a film that didn't have the balls to do its own thing. It had to go the modern route of (repeatedly) breaking the fourth wall in a shallow attempt to appeal to a different audience. Scott and Cameron never broke the fourth wall, they just did their best to make great films. These films fail to click because they usually only succeed at doing one thing at a time, while failing at several others. They're either too novel for their own sake (without giving the audience something to sink their teeth into) or too pandering with shallow fan service to feel grounded enough to be taken seriously. They can't juggle several elements at a time, and it's not interesting to watch someone juggle one thing at a time, because anyone can do it. Scott knew how to set the stage with an atmosphere nobody had seen before, and Cameron knew how to juggle multiple elements of technical production, sensible worldbuilding, and grounded character arcs. And everyone else has just been copying him (poorly) for nearly forty years. If a filmmaker could actually make their own entry with their own unique statement (rather than lazily regurgitating everything we've already seen) and keep people thinking long after the credits have rolled, audiences would respond in a universally positive fashion just like they did with the first two films. But such an effort still remains to be seen all these years later...
Another option would be fleshing out the universe more. Aliens implied there are more sentient species out there, or at least one more. (The Arcturans.) If there are numerous sentient species in the films' universe, then that opens up so many opportunities for new locations, victims, xeno-hybrids, etc. Basically, I think the franchise could go a bit more 'space opera' without alienating audiences.
Recently I read an article that puts scott as not caring at all the movie Gladiator 2, from the perspective of the photography director, but, is relatable, every time he wants to do something cool with his movies, big companies just shut down the ideas. Prometheus is pretty cool, but covenant was made to make disney people happy.
Creative differences and apparently their lackluster attempt at making sci-fi movies. The creatures are pretty great, but the other sci-fi details are thrown out of the window
@Erichpoethke I know, I was just playing with you. Subjectively, you're entitled to your opinion, but, objectively you're in such a minority with this view, that statistically you don't really count haha Again, I'm just playing. I applaud your stance and love of the new film. Personally, I enjoyed Romulus a lot, but more as a movie, whereas I consider Alien and Aliens to be films. It's about weight for me. Those first two are heavy duty. Romulus felt lightweight in comparison. More like a snack than a meal...
@@KaufmansCurse ok cool, I’m a bit of an autist. To be fair I wasn’t the biggest fan of a lot of the cast (luckily they all died 😁), and you’re right it did feel a bit popcorn-flicky or “lightweight” at times (thought the ending was amazing though). I love Aliens, but I blame it for the direction the following films took, and I really hate 80’s cornball and over-the-top action movies. I feel the same way about T2. It’s a great movie, just too much 80’s cheese.
I wouldn’t call the alien franchise confusing, people just need to care enough to look into it because they aren’t going to outright tell you everything in one movie like a compendium
Fine, I'll say it: I _liked_ Prometheus, I think its an actually _good movie_ brought down by its connection to the Alien universe. I also don't hate Covenant as much as most, I had fun in the theaters
If you thought the movie universe was a hot mess ... don't even TRY exploring the Comics Rabbithole of WTF ... This franchise needs some SERIOUS housekeeping.
Let's make things messier :) In the first episode of Firefly TV series, we can see a Weyland-Yutani logo from an anti-aircraft weapon's monitor. Which means the manufacturer is indeed Weyland-Yutani Corporation. So we can add Firefly continuity too. One of the screenwriters of Blade Runner, David Webb Peoples, wrote the script for Soldier film, starring Kurt Russell and directed by Paul W.S. Anderson. Peoples confirmed that Soldier set in the same universe with Blade Runner films. In that film we can hear that Tannhauser Gate and the Shoulder of Orion battles took place in this universe too and that's just one of the many references to Blade Runner. Some people even consider the Man in the High Castle novel (and TV series) is connected to Blade Runner films, because of the similar narrative themes of the two books and both written by Philip K. Dick. Because of the AVP films, we can say the Predator franchise is connected to the Alien franchise too, but, when we add comic series into the formula we end up with DC Universe characters, Terminator, Ash from Evil Dead and so on xD It's a complicated canon and there's not a single definitive version I believe.
The events and added lore that happened in Prometheus are directly referenced in Romulus so I don't know why this video is claiming the prequels are going to be ignored now. The only movies that are ignored are 4 and the Alien vs Predator films.
Personally, I kind of LIKE the shared-universe-idea, (which, rumor has it, should also include 'Avatar' and 'A. I.') but only if it's done well and done subtly. And too be fair, we don't really know for sure if they meant Vickers was a 'Bladerunner'-style "replicant" or a run-of-the-mill "Ash" or "Bishop"-style robot. At least that's what I assumed. =)
There is a fan theory that FireFly takes place in the same universe, but it's only potential crossover would be with Alien 4. I forget the timeline of both, but I did see that one recently. Honestly, Alien, Alien Isolation, Alien Romulus, and Aliens, are best kept as a quadrility. I know Romulus repeats a lot of alien, but it did it really well. The rest of the movies are terrible and it shows that Scott cares more about AI than he does about Alien.
Yeah with different directors they’re all going to want to bring something new to the table. But they all make sense for the most part, and have their own logic. Although it does make for a slightly messy franchise.
Like with certain other franchises, big part of the problem is ah... pliable, malleable canon, no proper rule book for how things work and this compulsion to escalate with each new story.
Because after they killed off Ripley in the third movie a bunch of different writers made up their own idiotic backstories to suck money out of the people that liked the first two movies.
The answer ... People want to capitalise or "riff on" the popularity of a great idea, but they also want to make it their idea, therefore changing it. It's parasitic film making. And it sucks. They can either write their own story with it's own unique world building, or they can stay in their lane and make a faithful sequel/prequel.... Not both.
You are wrong about the prequels. They are acknowledged in Romulus. Therefore, it’s still likely the events will still be addressed in the next movie or two. Ridley Scott is not going to erase what transpired in those movies. I especially want to see what happened to the Deacon and I want to see David come back. As far as I’m concerned, the AvPs are the only movie that are completely discarded from the Alien cinematic canon. Whatever happens after Romulus will have to wait and see what happens. Would be cool for the next movie to bridge the prequels and the post-Aliens sequels. I know 3 & 4 were bad (I don’t like them either), but it wouldn’t be a bad idea to address the discoveries that were made from those movies and how that tied into the freaky hybrid shown in Romulus, which did it WAY better than Resurrection imo.
Resurrection and Prometheus are not reboots. They are still connected to the original continuity. And Ridley Scott said he doesn't feel the AVP films canon. So you can take or leave them. Problem solved.
Easy to reconcile: Prometheus and Covenant are bad fan-fiction, and the only reason the weird hybrid at the end of Romulus looks like those ill-conceived, not really canon "architects" is as fan-service to those with no taste. Hold that in your head and everything makes sense together again. Even the AVP movies didn't screw up the lore like the prequels did, we all just need to forget all about them
It's not confusing, fans just don't want the franchise to expand, let's be honest only so much you can do with xenomorphs, ridley try to expand the lore fans got mad
Blade Runner IS NOT in the Alien universe. You’re literally doing a video about the expanded universe of Alien yet clearly completely ignore the expanded universe of Blade Runner. They CANNOT coexist in the same timeline. They simply do not fit
I still dislike Ridley Scott from blocking Neil Bloomkamp to do his Alien version. Aliens is NOT better than Alien. Too many inconsistencies. The acidic blood doesn't is inconsistent, Alien kidnaps the little girl instead of just killing her.
… new movies keep rehashing the same stuff to the point they literally made a Frankenstein monster. It’s not that hard to make a proper sequel. James Cameron did it = A vision, Marines in space and then shove in the Aliens franchise. Ridley Scott managed to make ONE sequel / prequel. Prometheus is a masterpiece compared to the new crap… made a movie without a xenomorph instead focused on Gods.
Since Ridley and all the drooling fanboys don’t care about continuity with respect to the alien’s lifecycle, I don’t either. There are only two Alien films.
Because Ridley Scott didn't want to do any more Alien movies so the 2 prequels are just philosophical bs centered around androids and the meaning of life.
Alien, Aliens, Alien3 The original trilogy the 2 AVP movies fun popcorn trash ridley scotts ego movies srsly, just watch prometheus Romulus interferes with the Aliens continuity heavily but most people just ignore that Resurrection Drinking movie
I got into ALIEN a year ago and if you watch the movies in order and have an ounce of knowledge of franchise lore, it all goes together great. I think people just dont pay attention or bother with the short films.
Ridley Scott retconning the Blade Runner universe into the Alien universe is especially galling considering he didn't even write the original Alien movie. He also didn't write Blade Runner. Don't get me wrong, Scott is a phenomenal director. But he should leave the writing aspect of filmmaking to people who are better at it.
The two franchises go together perfectly tho. I’ve always pictured Earth like Blade Runner in the Alien universe
Maximus from Gladiator is also in this timeline, but in the past, he fought a Predator at some stage as well.
@@glennross85Napoleon was from the engineer race. They also made Guccis to help fund Weyland Yutani and made the ship that sent Matt Damon to mars!
they both have synthetics/androids. but where ripley 8 set foot on earth, the setting and timeline was off. in blade runner, they wouldn't have known about engineers before prometheus. and noone could have reported back what happened there. especially if you put into consideration what happened in "fire and stone" arc in comics. that would be a nice movie to make going forward. nobody will have any data about xenomorphs and engineers/jockey until the very first alien movie
To be fair, I think most big horror movie franchises have confusing lore at this point.
Most big horror movie franchises are confusing because they’ve always been stupid and not bound to in-universe rules. Alien and Aliens were smart and thoughtfully written. They deserve better sequels. This isn’t Friday the 13th.
Terrifier 1: Weird killer clown. T2: Clown... but also maybe a little supernatural. T3: Batshit silly Demonic involvement.
No confusion.
There are 3 films,
Alien, Alien Romulos, Aliens. The only 3 movies that make sense together.
Agree the only films that are good
I think Prometheus and Alien Covenant have their place here too though, especially considering the engineer xenomorph hybrid in Romulus
@ Prometheus and covenant are okay but they don’t make any sense. The offspring in my opinion is probably the most disturbing thing in the movie but it was unnecessary.
@@Xenomorph.fan24 It's a direct confirmation that the lore introduced in the prequels is still very much canon, it was unnecessary for the stand alone story of Romulus but it wasn't added for no reason, it's the biggest connection the film has to the rest of the franchise.
Except Romulus is terrible…
i see the first two as connecting and everything else stand alone personally. Romulus was a ton of fun
The worst line can only be "what the fans wanted" - if you had asked any fan afer Alien what they wanted...do you think they would have come up with the story of Aliens? - Fans know shit...until they get a new film and then they can say "meh". If Fans knew what they wanted, studios give it to them, because it would be a win / win for both
Ridley's ego, that is why it is so confusing.
Xenomorphs were a lot better as giant space bugs, an invasive species that no one can deal with. A complete force of nature that humans can not control. Then Mr. Scott turned them into some kind of experiment for an android who has daddy issues. 🙄
They should have just followed the books and comics.
Originaly the Xenomorph was not just a space bug. It was a biomechanical creature. A fusion of tech and biology. But It was Cameron who first visualized them as mere mindless insects ala starship troopers (and tried to add sexy blue humanoid aliens that you can (censored) to the lore too). Although, I do agree that scott basically retconned them into mere experiments gone wrong... killing the "alien" factor to the aliens. Basically just replacing one cliche with another. Ignoring the timeless concept of the original. Either way, Most Sci-fi stories are stuck at visualizing extraterestial monsters as exaggerated variant of earth's local fauna anyway. Which made me appreciate the originality of the xenomorph concept even more.
AVP films are in continuity with the Predator mainline movies, but not the Alien series. That is how I see it.
Romulus was surprisingly good
It was very good with problems
We needed not the finals scenes with the basketball player and it would have been better
@@JwadeProductions7 I can understand that. I personally liked it and it disturbed me.
The first half yes. The second half was rubbish.
@@dipperdandy the second act wasn’t that bad.
No confusion
Alien
Romulus
Aliens
While Ridley Scott is free to do whatever he wants, not everything needs to be one big interconnected universe. Just let Blade Runner and Alien be their own things. There's enough room in our imaginations for multiple cinematic universes. Yes. Even DC's.
For me Alien is just a trilogy: Alien, Aliens and Alien³ and my expanded universe is just Isolation, no comic or novel BS
This is the Way
Yes, three thematically linked decent movies (sorry Newt and Hicks fans) and a very decent game that fits between the first two and even filling in the radio signal plothole.
The rest is just extremely varied quality fanfiction.
Glad you mentioned Isolation.... Good gods is that an amazing survival horror game.
... Probably one of the best. There's an amazing playthrough with no commentary I watched recently... I'll share it if you're interested and respond
“Best looking bad movie” that’s quite an often description of movies these days
No confusion.
There are 2 films,
Alien, Aliens.
Thematically, there's confusion.
The first two movies were gender-neutral impreg body horror films with female heroes about brutal, stupid, capitalist dystopias.
But 2 also introduced motherhood. And 3 abandoned the anti-capitalism. And 4 onward became obsessed with evil mixed race alien babies over and over as the biggest threat. And they kept killing off or writing out their final female survivors between films for the last three.
The franchise learned to love capitalism and hate women. So they got weird.
Youre forgetting a few of the movies if you think there's only 2
This is also why the by-far best-reviewed Terminator movies among audiences and fans (1, 2, and... yes... Dark Fate...hate the messenger if you want) have Sarah Connor in them. The Terminator movies are about mothers learning to start revolutions against cruel systems created by capitalists and warmongers while trying to maintain their humanity.
And Terminator Zero is aboooooout... mothers and fathers trying to fight revolutions against mechanized systems of war while protecting children.
And Sarah Connor Chronicles is abooooout... you get the idea.
The movies aren't about John Connor or Kyle Reese. But every hack keeps trying to make a Kyle Reese movie or kill off John Connor or both.
Nah. Alien 3 is underrated.
I'm with you on the 2.
Spaceballs is in the Alien Universe.
i honestly dont find the franchise super confusing personally. Space is a huge place, and honestly all of these isolated stories could come to pass in the endless darkness out there.
What screwed the Alien series up is the prequels, because prequels almost always screw up a franchise. We never needed to know the xenomorphs origins, part of what makes them scary is that aspect of the unknown, they are cosmic horror. Now though all the movies are tainted by the knowledge that the xenomorphs are not some unknowable threat which might lurk on any planet humans settle on, but instead they were created by a robot with daddy issues, and for reasons never well explained created the xenomorphs. This creates an issue for the future of the franchise because unless they can come up with a way that David seeded more planets with the xenomorphs, we're stuck with LV-426 being the sole source of them, and the ship was destroyed when the station blew during Aliens. Look at how Romulus had to bring them back with a sudden ability to cocoon themselves in space. We can expect the Alien franchise to become more convoluted as they try and work the terrible ideas of the prequel trilogy into any future installments. That's why for my head cannon it's just Alien. Aliens, Alien 3, and Alien: Isolation.
As a fun bit of head cannon I've always like to view the Blade Runner and the Alien movies as timelines where Skynet was never able to take over so we get these universes where the the tech that would have created Skynet and the terminators being following a different path.
you'll potentially need to add another game to your head cannon if you're willing to include Isolation, because it's developer Creative Assembly announced on the 10th anneversary of it's release that they're working on a sequal and it's in early development.
Agreed. The series did not need backstory. Also, I *HATE* the black goo, especially now that it seems like it'll be a recurring element. Like these movies weren't random enough already, now we have an all-purpose plot device able to do create any type of body horror without any actual explanation. Sigh.
@ yep. I mostly liked Romulus, but it didn't need the black goo as a plot device, or the Engineer mutant baby at the end. It was too much of a ripoff of Resurrection. There was a number of different ways they could have taken that story, but because they had to connect it to Prometheus they made it less interesting.
This video highlights the biggest problem all the subsequent films have had: they've all floundered in their attempt to bring something fresh to the table, because none of them has succeeded in making their own statement. New creature concepts should be a central conceit of the franchise, and it's one of the few strengths of any of the weaker follow ups, because these monsters iterate and adapt to their situation each time they're spawned.
If the franchise really wanted to be interesting, these creatures would never really be the quite the same from one film to the next. There should always be some degree of not just variability in appearance, but unpredictability in their mutation, to the extent that there should always be a surprise the audience hasn't seen before.
We get that to an extent with the dog alien, and the hybrid newborn, and the squidhugger, and the deacon. But they're all from flawed films that got on people's nerves for one reason or another. Romulus seemed to hit the right aesthetic notes and had a nice look and feel, but just like any cover band, it's not performing its own songs, it's just playing someone else's hits.
Combine that with how it veered into cringe territory in ways that fans were justifiably critical of, and many were left rolling their eyes at a film that didn't have the balls to do its own thing. It had to go the modern route of (repeatedly) breaking the fourth wall in a shallow attempt to appeal to a different audience. Scott and Cameron never broke the fourth wall, they just did their best to make great films.
These films fail to click because they usually only succeed at doing one thing at a time, while failing at several others. They're either too novel for their own sake (without giving the audience something to sink their teeth into) or too pandering with shallow fan service to feel grounded enough to be taken seriously. They can't juggle several elements at a time, and it's not interesting to watch someone juggle one thing at a time, because anyone can do it.
Scott knew how to set the stage with an atmosphere nobody had seen before, and Cameron knew how to juggle multiple elements of technical production, sensible worldbuilding, and grounded character arcs. And everyone else has just been copying him (poorly) for nearly forty years.
If a filmmaker could actually make their own entry with their own unique statement (rather than lazily regurgitating everything we've already seen) and keep people thinking long after the credits have rolled, audiences would respond in a universally positive fashion just like they did with the first two films. But such an effort still remains to be seen all these years later...
Another option would be fleshing out the universe more. Aliens implied there are more sentient species out there, or at least one more. (The Arcturans.) If there are numerous sentient species in the films' universe, then that opens up so many opportunities for new locations, victims, xeno-hybrids, etc.
Basically, I think the franchise could go a bit more 'space opera' without alienating audiences.
Recently I read an article that puts scott as not caring at all the movie Gladiator 2, from the perspective of the photography director, but, is relatable, every time he wants to do something cool with his movies, big companies just shut down the ideas. Prometheus is pretty cool, but covenant was made to make disney people happy.
Creative differences and apparently their lackluster attempt at making sci-fi movies. The creatures are pretty great, but the other sci-fi details are thrown out of the window
I just view the franchise as a perfect trilogy now.
Alien, Romulus, and Aliens.
Requiem tend to be pretty dark brightness wise but I love it. It's just so mean and to me how shit would actually go down.
Romulus is my second favorite in the franchise, it was so good
Hmm, well, that would mean it was better than either Alien or Aliens, and that's an impossibility on an objective level, never mind a subjective one 😁
@ taste in inherently subjective (have it above aliens)
@Erichpoethke I know, I was just playing with you. Subjectively, you're entitled to your opinion, but, objectively you're in such a minority with this view, that statistically you don't really count haha Again, I'm just playing. I applaud your stance and love of the new film. Personally, I enjoyed Romulus a lot, but more as a movie, whereas I consider Alien and Aliens to be films. It's about weight for me. Those first two are heavy duty. Romulus felt lightweight in comparison. More like a snack than a meal...
@@KaufmansCurse ok cool, I’m a bit of an autist. To be fair I wasn’t the biggest fan of a lot of the cast (luckily they all died 😁), and you’re right it did feel a bit popcorn-flicky or “lightweight” at times (thought the ending was amazing though). I love Aliens, but I blame it for the direction the following films took, and I really hate 80’s cornball and over-the-top action movies. I feel the same way about T2. It’s a great movie, just too much 80’s cheese.
It's not confusing only three movies alien aliens and alien 3 the assembly cut....job done 😀
It's not confusing, it's just been ruined.
I wouldn’t call the alien franchise confusing, people just need to care enough to look into it because they aren’t going to outright tell you everything in one movie like a compendium
Fine, I'll say it: I _liked_ Prometheus, I think its an actually _good movie_ brought down by its connection to the Alien universe. I also don't hate Covenant as much as most, I had fun in the theaters
If you thought the movie universe was a hot mess ... don't even TRY exploring the Comics Rabbithole of WTF ... This franchise needs some SERIOUS housekeeping.
Let's make things messier :)
In the first episode of Firefly TV series, we can see a Weyland-Yutani logo from an anti-aircraft weapon's monitor. Which means the manufacturer is indeed Weyland-Yutani Corporation. So we can add Firefly continuity too.
One of the screenwriters of Blade Runner, David Webb Peoples, wrote the script for Soldier film, starring Kurt Russell and directed by Paul W.S. Anderson. Peoples confirmed that Soldier set in the same universe with Blade Runner films. In that film we can hear that Tannhauser Gate and the Shoulder of Orion battles took place in this universe too and that's just one of the many references to Blade Runner.
Some people even consider the Man in the High Castle novel (and TV series) is connected to Blade Runner films, because of the similar narrative themes of the two books and both written by Philip K. Dick.
Because of the AVP films, we can say the Predator franchise is connected to the Alien franchise too, but, when we add comic series into the formula we end up with DC Universe characters, Terminator, Ash from Evil Dead and so on xD
It's a complicated canon and there's not a single definitive version I believe.
The Alien vs Predator arcade game from Capcom is the pinnacle of both franchises.
In short, there are 2 movies.
It’s not confusing as frustrating there’s a difference 😂
The events and added lore that happened in Prometheus are directly referenced in Romulus so I don't know why this video is claiming the prequels are going to be ignored now. The only movies that are ignored are 4 and the Alien vs Predator films.
I was really hoping the prequels would get ignored. That black goo is nonsense.
@@jneilson7568Black goo made the franchise interesting again and not just about Ripley surviving xenomorph's over and over.
Personally, I kind of LIKE the shared-universe-idea, (which, rumor has it, should also include 'Avatar' and 'A. I.') but only if it's done well and done subtly. And too be fair, we don't really know for sure if they meant Vickers was a 'Bladerunner'-style "replicant" or a run-of-the-mill "Ash" or "Bishop"-style robot. At least that's what I assumed. =)
Many consider isolation to be canon, even disney/fox did when they were celebrating one of the anniversaries
The confusing part is more Aliens movies keep happening.
Because it was supposed to end after part 2.
Alien versus Predator is non-canon to either franchises
There is a fan theory that FireFly takes place in the same universe, but it's only potential crossover would be with Alien 4. I forget the timeline of both, but I did see that one recently.
Honestly, Alien, Alien Isolation, Alien Romulus, and Aliens, are best kept as a quadrility. I know Romulus repeats a lot of alien, but it did it really well. The rest of the movies are terrible and it shows that Scott cares more about AI than he does about Alien.
It’s not really that confusing tbh
Yeah with different directors they’re all going to want to bring something new to the table. But they all make sense for the most part, and have their own logic. Although it does make for a slightly messy franchise.
I really hate the contemporary use of bait tittles and RUclips thumbnail surprise dumb face
Exactly
Seriously lol, explain it then lol
@@Thatonegirl989This is the same reason everyone hates the Star Wars sequels
Like with certain other franchises, big part of the problem is ah... pliable, malleable canon, no proper rule book for how things work and this compulsion to escalate with each new story.
The Alien "Franchise" is basically 2 excellent films followed by a load of substandard, by comparison with the first 2, prequels & sequels.
Because after they killed off Ripley in the third movie a bunch of different writers made up their own idiotic backstories to suck money out of the people that liked the first two movies.
cuz beating a series to death to milk it for as much money as possible is never a good idea but Hollywood has never been stopped by this notion
Everyone rating Romulus above alien 3
Y all have rocks in your head
The SF movie, "Outland" would fit nicely in the Alien universe.
Vickers isn’t a robot, she wouldn’t have run for a space suit at the end.
This franchise is an example of why I have a headache cannon.
audio spike @1:46
It keeps changing genre, right? Horror to Action to Sci-fi to Mystery to Space Opera
The answer ...
People want to capitalise or "riff on" the popularity of a great idea, but they also want to make it their idea, therefore changing it.
It's parasitic film making. And it sucks.
They can either write their own story with it's own unique world building, or they can stay in their lane and make a faithful sequel/prequel.... Not both.
Alien franchise isn’t confusing!
I never felt it confusing, probably for those who always wanna keep digging in and wanting to look like an expert
The Alien is more like an Insect than a Reptilian, also AVP is a seperate thing altogether tbh.
Romulus was one of the best latecomers of the alien franchise
Still a big fan of the franchise!
Same Romulus was a good return to form.
You are wrong about the prequels. They are acknowledged in Romulus. Therefore, it’s still likely the events will still be addressed in the next movie or two. Ridley Scott is not going to erase what transpired in those movies. I especially want to see what happened to the Deacon and I want to see David come back. As far as I’m concerned, the AvPs are the only movie that are completely discarded from the Alien cinematic canon. Whatever happens after Romulus will have to wait and see what happens. Would be cool for the next movie to bridge the prequels and the post-Aliens sequels. I know 3 & 4 were bad (I don’t like them either), but it wouldn’t be a bad idea to address the discoveries that were made from those movies and how that tied into the freaky hybrid shown in Romulus, which did it WAY better than Resurrection imo.
Alien is one of those weird Franchises that wants to be anything but itself
It’s not confusing
1 ,2 and 3 and your done.
I really loved the last one ❤
obviously because the of the different writers and wide time span of the series.
Resurrection and Prometheus are not reboots. They are still connected to the original continuity.
And Ridley Scott said he doesn't feel the AVP films canon. So you can take or leave them.
Problem solved.
Easy to reconcile: Prometheus and Covenant are bad fan-fiction, and the only reason the weird hybrid at the end of Romulus looks like those ill-conceived, not really canon "architects" is as fan-service to those with no taste. Hold that in your head and everything makes sense together again. Even the AVP movies didn't screw up the lore like the prequels did, we all just need to forget all about them
Men rarely share the same ideas about the unknown, so everyone has to make up their own rules.
If you are confused, thats on you. Its pretty straight forward.
Multiverse
It's not confusing, fans just don't want the franchise to expand, let's be honest only so much you can do with xenomorphs, ridley try to expand the lore fans got mad
i liked the main girl in Romulus , the only thing i didnt like was the android
Great video.
The show Firefly is also in the Alien universe
If you’re confused, stick to postman pat
Blade Runner IS NOT in the Alien universe. You’re literally doing a video about the expanded universe of Alien yet clearly completely ignore the expanded universe of Blade Runner.
They CANNOT coexist in the same timeline. They simply do not fit
There are only 2 Alien movies, the first and the second, the rest are all just shitty fanfic.
AVP is only canon in the predator universe not Aliens. But if you want to know more about aliens watch the movies with commentary
I still dislike Ridley Scott from blocking Neil Bloomkamp to do his Alien version.
Aliens is NOT better than Alien. Too many inconsistencies. The acidic blood doesn't is inconsistent, Alien kidnaps the little girl instead of just killing her.
Newt was going to be used as a host, Ripley saved her from a face hugger when she found her. Did you not watch the movie?
A day in the core is like a day on the farm.
@aaronwimmers8904 Nah, that's not how it works. It never takes you, then makes you a host. It lays its eggs
You didn't watch the film I guess.
@@MarkLaw13 Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were an idiot.
Blomkampff is 0.5 for 4 when it comes to Hollywood projects, so that's a lot to gamble on the Chappie and Elysium guy.
Because Ridley has dementia.
It's not confusing. It's just dumb.
I liked alien 3. A lot.
I’m so upset I listened for 6 minutes
… new movies keep rehashing the same stuff to the point they literally made a Frankenstein monster.
It’s not that hard to make a proper sequel. James Cameron did it = A vision, Marines in space and then shove in the Aliens franchise.
Ridley Scott managed to make ONE sequel / prequel. Prometheus is a masterpiece compared to the new crap… made a movie without a xenomorph instead focused on Gods.
or why did the franchise suck so much when they made the 5th movie in the series ?...
Since Ridley and all the drooling fanboys don’t care about continuity with respect to the alien’s lifecycle, I don’t either. There are only two Alien films.
It's not confusing to anyone who actually pays attention.
Just bring back sigourney weaver. Problem solved 😅
Lol it's really not
This was great
Because Ridley Scott didn't want to do any more Alien movies so the 2 prequels are just philosophical bs centered around androids and the meaning of life.
Because they should've stopped at 2, but didn't, and so, every film since has just been a "made by committee" greed inspired garbage dump.
Alien, Aliens, Alien3
The original trilogy
the 2 AVP movies
fun popcorn trash
ridley scotts ego movies
srsly, just watch prometheus
Romulus
interferes with the Aliens continuity heavily but most people just ignore that
Resurrection
Drinking movie
Is alien three a bad film
But it depends on what version you watch
I can easily see Bladerunner, Alien, and Avatar sharing a universe
It's confusing?
Avp is not Canon in any way.
I really hate it when they always try to reinvent the wheel instead of just giving it to us.
The avp movies aren't canon lmao
What a insanely lazy video script
Because Ridley Scott is trying to userp the Alien legacy for himself, amd he's not that good of a filmmaker.
I got into ALIEN a year ago and if you watch the movies in order and have an ounce of knowledge of franchise lore, it all goes together great. I think people just dont pay attention or bother with the short films.
Prometheus and Covenant ruined the franchise.
Ridley doing his retirement destruction tour.
100%, none of that lore added to the series in anyway.
True and the problems with Romulus are because of the black goo. I still liked Romulus.
@Xenomorph.fan24
Wasn't a fan.
I loved them, finally more than just monster horror...
tea
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