@@SuperLegendOf364 Many horror movies don't make much sense and don't explain the background. Even when Ridley Scott did the first alien nobody knew what the mysterious space jockey was sitting in the pilot chair. Ridley Scott took 40 years before giving us answers. So yeah the lore is confusing because there isn't enough time in a movie to explain everything. I think the new TV show will help explain all the lore as there's so much more to aliens like the black goo and the engineers and even David the AI and how predator fits into the alien universe.
Maybe horror shouldn't have more 2 sequel. The whole point and most of them is to figure out the mystery just enough of the creature. If people know everything about the aliens or the unstoppable zombie monster. Everybody know how to stop them making them less horror. Only way for sequel is to level up the threat or change the group who facing the unknown threat.
Ridley Scott retconning the Blade Runner universe into the Alien universe is especially galling considering he didn't even write the original Alien movie. He also didn't write Blade Runner. Don't get me wrong, Scott is a phenomenal director. But he should leave the writing aspect of filmmaking to people who are better at it.
they both have synthetics/androids. but where ripley 8 set foot on earth, the setting and timeline was off. in blade runner, they wouldn't have known about engineers before prometheus. and noone could have reported back what happened there. especially if you put into consideration what happened in "fire and stone" arc in comics. that would be a nice movie to make going forward. nobody will have any data about xenomorphs and engineers/jockey until the very first alien movie
@@user-jt1js5mr3f It started good but then made the same turn that Covenant did: the characters started being dumb. the references, including discount Ash, to the original movies were contrived. The environments were phenomenal. The story, not so much. I still don’t understand why they made the life cycle of the xeno as accelerated as they did. Makes no sense why something that was just birthed instantly grows into a 10ft creature and actively continues growing.
Nothing of value was lost, Blomkamp is a pretty mediocre director with only one good movie that someone else made for him. Idk why people still hypes the guy as he didn't make flop after flop the last decade.
@jonfreeman9682 Well in, "The Predator," the movie makes visual reference to the events of AVP by showing Xenomoprh/ Predator spear in a government lab.
I mean from a timeline perspective,Predator movies mainly take place in the modern time and are much more of a standalone affair with a sole yautja wrecking havoc while Alien films exclusively take place in a far futuristic setting on different planets/spaceships.Alien lore/universe is much broader in scope and scale than Predator one. That being said,AvP movies are more in line with the Predator universe,if they are to be considered "canon" in any way.
While Ridley Scott is free to do whatever he wants, not everything needs to be one big interconnected universe. Just let Blade Runner and Alien be their own things. There's enough room in our imaginations for multiple cinematic universes. Yes. Even DC's.
Thematically, there's confusion. The first two movies were gender-neutral impreg body horror films with female heroes about brutal, stupid, capitalist dystopias. But 2 also introduced motherhood. And 3 abandoned the anti-capitalism. And 4 onward became obsessed with evil mixed race alien babies over and over as the biggest threat. And they kept killing off or writing out their final female survivors between films for the last three. The franchise learned to love capitalism and hate women. So they got weird.
This is also why the by-far best-reviewed Terminator movies among audiences and fans (1, 2, and... yes... Dark Fate...hate the messenger if you want) have Sarah Connor in them. The Terminator movies are about mothers learning to start revolutions against cruel systems created by capitalists and warmongers while trying to maintain their humanity. And Terminator Zero is aboooooout... mothers and fathers trying to fight revolutions against mechanized systems of war while protecting children. And Sarah Connor Chronicles is abooooout... you get the idea. The movies aren't about John Connor or Kyle Reese. But every hack keeps trying to make a Kyle Reese movie or kill off John Connor or both.
The worst line can only be "what the fans wanted" - if you had asked any fan afer Alien what they wanted...do you think they would have come up with the story of Aliens? - Fans know shit...until they get a new film and then they can say "meh". If Fans knew what they wanted, studios give it to them, because it would be a win / win for both
Yeah with different directors they’re all going to want to bring something new to the table. But they all make sense for the most part, and have their own logic. Although it does make for a slightly messy franchise.
The AvP game from 2009 hinted at a war between the Colonial Marines and Weyland-Yutani in a race to the Xenomorph homeworld. I woulda liked a AvP movie starring Ripley, Hicks, android Bishop, grown up Newt and android Dutch from Predator racing Wey-Yu and the Predators to the Xenomorph homeworld and upon arriving, Ripley dies by chestburster but the xenomorph spawned from her hesitates to attack Newt due to having developed traits from Ripley, something hinted at in Aliens when the Xenomorph cut the power as it implies they inherit not just physical but mental traits from from their hosts and thus making them dark embodiments of our worst traits.
Ridley's ego, that is why it is so confusing. Xenomorphs were a lot better as giant space bugs, an invasive species that no one can deal with. A complete force of nature that humans can not control. Then Mr. Scott turned them into some kind of experiment for an android who has daddy issues. 🙄 They should have just followed the books and comics.
Originaly the Xenomorph was not just a space bug. It was a biomechanical creature. A fusion of tech and biology. But It was Cameron who first visualized them as mere mindless insects ala starship troopers (and tried to add sexy blue humanoid aliens that you can (censored) to the lore too). Although, I do agree that scott basically retconned them into mere experiments gone wrong... killing the "alien" factor to the aliens. Basically just replacing one cliche with another. Ignoring the timeless concept of the original. Either way, Most Sci-fi stories are stuck at visualizing extraterestial monsters as exaggerated variant of earth's local fauna anyway. Which made me appreciate the originality of the xenomorph concept even more.
@@tampakmurni I never fully embraced the "biomechanical" aspect of the creature, despite the original design hinting at it. Perhaps I interpreted the eggs too literally, or maybe the infamous human transformation scene should have been left intact to reinforce that theme. Regardless of Ridley Scott's intentions, Alien offered no definitive explanation for the xenomorphs, leaving the door open for James Cameron to craft a logical and compelling backstory in Aliens. The comics and novels later expanded on this lore, often with far better storytelling than what the subsequent films delivered. For instance, Earth Hive would have made for an epic cinematic adaptation. Interestingly, I don’t dislike Prometheus or Covenant-or even the concept of the black goo. These narratives could have worked as standalone tales within the Alien universe. However, Scott's insistence on tying everything back to the xenomorphs ended up diminishing the mystery and grandeur of the original creature, which ultimately undermined the series.
I think the concept of Xenomorphs being a truly Lovecraftian kind of Cosmic Horror emerging from a robot trying to create it's own ideal of life out of spite towards his creators, Humanity, only to end up with the god-like being worshipped by the Engineers, creators of Humanity, was a pretty rad idea... But going from interviews, articles and early drafts to the scripts of both Prometheus & Covenant, Ridley seemed to be split on whether to apply this concept directly to the Alien Mythos or craft a more separate niche within the overarching saga. As seen in aspects such as the scene where Fifield mutates in Prometheus, there is a nearly finished version where he more closely ressembles a Xenomorph, but it was edited so he doesn't, or the mural depicting the creature within the compund that is never alluded to...
Yes, three thematically linked decent movies (sorry Newt and Hicks fans) and a very decent game that fits between the first two and even filling in the radio signal plothole. The rest is just extremely varied quality fanfiction.
Glad you mentioned Isolation.... Good gods is that an amazing survival horror game. ... Probably one of the best. There's an amazing playthrough with no commentary I watched recently... I'll share it if you're interested and respond
This video highlights the biggest problem all the subsequent films have had: they've all floundered in their attempt to bring something fresh to the table, because none of them has succeeded in making their own statement. New creature concepts should be a central conceit of the franchise, and it's one of the few strengths of any of the weaker follow ups, because these monsters iterate and adapt to their situation each time they're spawned. If the franchise really wanted to be interesting, these creatures would never really be quite the same from one film to the next. There should always be some degree of unpredictability and novelty in their mutation, to the extent they can surprise and scare the audience every time. We get that to an extent with the dog alien, and the hybrid newborn, and the squidhugger trilobyte, and the deacon. But they're all from flawed films that got on people's nerves for one reason or another. Romulus hit the right aesthetic notes with its look and feel, but like any cover band, it's not performing its own songs, it's just playing someone else's hits. Combine that with how it veered into cringe territory in ways that fans were justifiably critical of, and many were left rolling their eyes at a film that didn't have the balls to do its own thing. It had to go the modern route of (repeatedly) breaking the fourth wall in a shallow attempt to appeal to a different audience. Scott and Cameron never broke the fourth wall, they just did their best to make great films. These films fail to click because they usually only succeed at doing one thing at a time, while failing at several others. They're either too novel for their own sake (without giving the audience something to sink their teeth into) or too pandering with shallow fan service to feel grounded enough to be taken seriously. They can't juggle several elements at a time, and it's not interesting to watch someone juggle one thing at a time, because anyone can do it. Scott knew how to set the stage with an atmosphere nobody had seen before, and Cameron knew how to juggle multiple elements of technical production, sensible worldbuilding, and grounded character arcs. And everyone else has just been copying him (poorly) for nearly forty years. If a filmmaker could actually make their own entry with their own unique statement (rather than lazily regurgitating everything we've already seen) and keep people thinking long after the credits have rolled, audiences would respond in a universally positive fashion just like they did with the first two films. But such an effort still remains to be seen all these years later...
Another option would be fleshing out the universe more. Aliens implied there are more sentient species out there, or at least one more. (The Arcturans.) If there are numerous sentient species in the films' universe, then that opens up so many opportunities for new locations, victims, xeno-hybrids, etc. Basically, I think the franchise could go a bit more 'space opera' without alienating audiences.
@ Prometheus and covenant are okay but they don’t make any sense. The offspring in my opinion is probably the most disturbing thing in the movie but it was unnecessary.
@@Shadow.24-c8h It's a direct confirmation that the lore introduced in the prequels is still very much canon, it was unnecessary for the stand alone story of Romulus but it wasn't added for no reason, it's the biggest connection the film has to the rest of the franchise.
Recently I read an article that puts scott as not caring at all the movie Gladiator 2, from the perspective of the photography director, but, is relatable, every time he wants to do something cool with his movies, big companies just shut down the ideas. Prometheus is pretty cool, but covenant was made to make disney people happy.
The Alien franchise, for me, spans two distinct narrative paths: one beginning with Alien and continuing through Prometheus, Covenant, and Romulus, and another following the original timeline of Alien, Romulus, Alien 2, Alien 3, and Alien: Resurrection. My love for the franchise took root with Prometheus, a film that introduced a fascinating philosophical premise rarely seen in horror movies. What captivated me was the film's profound exploration of humanity's origins-the idea that we were created by an ancient alien race, and that the mysterious black goo is a substance capable of both generating and destroying life. Unlike typical horror movies that rely solely on blood and gore, Prometheus offered a deeper, more existential narrative. The film's brilliant stroke was leaving the Engineers shrouded in mystery. Their culture, motivations, and way of life were tantalizingly incomplete, inviting viewers to imagine and interpret. When the film concluded with Shaw and David heading to the Engineers' home planet, I immediately sensed the potential pitfalls of a direct continuation. It would effectively demystified the enigmatic race, stripping away the intrigue that made Prometheus so compelling. My reservations proved justified with Covenant. The film's decision to have David commit genocide against the Engineers rather than disclosing more information about the engineer. Romulus, however, took an intriguing approach. The film subtly bridged the two franchise narratives by presenting the alien in an Engineer-like form, almost as if reverting to its primordial state. This design choice cleverly alluded to the black goo's origins with the Engineers, creating a fascinating link between the different storylines.
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After Aliens, how far this sci-fi horror franchise could successfully go has certainly been a most major challenge. Prometheus was interesting in its own right. But I’ve settled with occasionally revisiting the first two Alien films ever since. Even though I still like Winona’s contribution to Alien Resurrection.
i honestly dont find the franchise super confusing personally. Space is a huge place, and honestly all of these isolated stories could come to pass in the endless darkness out there.
David “creating” the Xenomorph in Covenant is an easy fix imo. When they arrive in the planet where David had been staying, they find wheat. (Been a while since I’ve seen the movie so I’m paraphrasing) one scientist points out how strange that is, the other goes “it’s not that strange. We have a similar atmosphere on earth, so it makes sense.” The other scientist says “wheat can only be grown through cross pollination and it usually takes generations.” Essentially, the xenomorphs already exist in the universe somewhere, or became extinct, but Weyland-Yutani knows of them and they’re in David’s data banks. Yeah it’s convoluted, but fuck dude I grew up with this franchise and Covenant wasn’t the worst one.
The events and added lore that happened in Prometheus are directly referenced in Romulus so I don't know why this video is claiming the prequels are going to be ignored now. The only movies that are ignored are 4 and the Alien vs Predator films.
@@jneilson7568 The black goo is thematically consistent with what's introduced in the very first movie. The pursuit of the perfect living organism in the first movie is consistent with Weyland's pursuit of immortality in Prometheus and how that leads David to discover the black goo. This is why the film is called Prometheus in the first place, it's humanity's discovery of the path towards the perfect organism (the black goo) by using the ship Prometheus, much like how Prometheus in Greek mythology introduced humanity to fire. It's been a part of the franchise from the very beginning, so it's far from nonsense.
The number of callbacks in Romulus really put me off what would've been a great, fun standalone addition. But it should've been set just AFTER Aliens- Rook explains that there was a "sole survivor" of the Nostromo and knows everything that happened, but in Aliens it's clear no one knew that until Ripley is discovered and has to convince the execs at WY. Also, the Pulse rifles in Romulus seems like an upgrade of the ones in Aliens.
'Prometheus' & 'Alien: Covenant' do not contradict the 'AVP' movies. Peter Weyland can easily be the son of Charles Bishop Weyland and David 8 did not create the facehuggers & Xenomorphs. All that David 8 did was create the Praetomorphs.
You forgot the alien isolation game. It had all of the original movies tension and action and fit into the universe better than any of the subsequent movies. The audio book out of the shadows also does a great job of shoe horning a new story into the existing timeline
You should not to be afraid of killing characters in your history, but neither should fear to keep them alive if they earned it, or the history has no where to go. RIP Bishop, Newt, Hicks and Dr. Shaw.
What screwed the Alien series up is the prequels, because prequels almost always screw up a franchise. We never needed to know the xenomorphs origins, part of what makes them scary is that aspect of the unknown, they are cosmic horror. Now though all the movies are tainted by the knowledge that the xenomorphs are not some unknowable threat which might lurk on any planet humans settle on, but instead they were created by a robot with daddy issues, and for reasons never well explained created the xenomorphs. This creates an issue for the future of the franchise because unless they can come up with a way that David seeded more planets with the xenomorphs, we're stuck with LV-426 being the sole source of them, and the ship was destroyed when the station blew during Aliens. Look at how Romulus had to bring them back with a sudden ability to cocoon themselves in space. We can expect the Alien franchise to become more convoluted as they try and work the terrible ideas of the prequel trilogy into any future installments. That's why for my head cannon it's just Alien. Aliens, Alien 3, and Alien: Isolation. As a fun bit of head cannon I've always like to view the Blade Runner and the Alien movies as timelines where Skynet was never able to take over so we get these universes where the the tech that would have created Skynet and the terminators being following a different path.
you'll potentially need to add another game to your head cannon if you're willing to include Isolation, because it's developer Creative Assembly announced on the 10th anneversary of it's release that they're working on a sequal and it's in early development.
Agreed. The series did not need backstory. Also, I *HATE* the black goo, especially now that it seems like it'll be a recurring element. Like these movies weren't random enough already, now we have an all-purpose plot device able to do create any type of body horror without any actual explanation. Sigh.
@ yep. I mostly liked Romulus, but it didn't need the black goo as a plot device, or the Engineer mutant baby at the end. It was too much of a ripoff of Resurrection. There was a number of different ways they could have taken that story, but because they had to connect it to Prometheus they made it less interesting.
Yes to this. Prequels cannot equal our imagination. The universe was far larger and terrifying without knowing where the alien came from. Jaws didn’t need a backstory.
Fine, I'll say it: I _liked_ Prometheus, I think its an actually _good movie_ brought down by its connection to the Alien universe. I also don't hate Covenant as much as most, I had fun in the theaters
I thought covenant got better with rewatches. Lots of good parts to the movie. except for how the Walter-David switch at the end was done. That got more frustrating each watch. And yeah, some pretty dumb characters.
Prometheus would have been better and more understood had they left the original script and deleted scenes in that explain basically the entire movie and motive behind the Engineers. I would be way more interested if they made more movies going deeper into that story than another Alien movie that is the same as the rest.
@Erichpoethke I know, I was just playing with you. Subjectively, you're entitled to your opinion, but, objectively you're in such a minority with this view, that statistically you don't really count haha Again, I'm just playing. I applaud your stance and love of the new film. Personally, I enjoyed Romulus a lot, but more as a movie, whereas I consider Alien and Aliens to be films. It's about weight for me. Those first two are heavy duty. Romulus felt lightweight in comparison. More like a snack than a meal...
@@KaufmansCurse ok cool, I’m a bit of an autist. To be fair I wasn’t the biggest fan of a lot of the cast (luckily they all died 😁), and you’re right it did feel a bit popcorn-flicky or “lightweight” at times (thought the ending was amazing though). I love Aliens, but I blame it for the direction the following films took, and I really hate 80’s cornball and over-the-top action movies. I feel the same way about T2. It’s a great movie, just too much 80’s cheese.
Yes, it does . Director Peter Hyams loved Alien and even though it's High Noon in space ...The whole film has a Alien feel to it. Hyams use a lot of the production team from Alien and Jerry Goldsmith who scored Alien . Is why it feels like it's in the same universe
Because after they killed off Ripley in the third movie a bunch of different writers made up their own idiotic backstories to suck money out of the people that liked the first two movies.
Creative differences and apparently their lackluster attempt at making sci-fi movies. The creatures are pretty great, but the other sci-fi details are thrown out of the window
I wouldn’t call the alien franchise confusing, people just need to care enough to look into it because they aren’t going to outright tell you everything in one movie like a compendium
Like with certain other franchises, big part of the problem is ah... pliable, malleable canon, no proper rule book for how things work and this compulsion to escalate with each new story.
The original "Alien" is a riff on "At The Mountains of Madness". That's why it worked. The more you stray from that original story/concept, the more the overall story/universe seems to suffer. Just my opinion.
Personally, I kind of LIKE the shared-universe-idea, (which, rumor has it, should also include 'Avatar' and 'A. I.') but only if it's done well and done subtly. And too be fair, we don't really know for sure if they meant Vickers was a 'Bladerunner'-style "replicant" or a run-of-the-mill "Ash" or "Bishop"-style robot. At least that's what I assumed. =)
It’s confusing…. Because you have movie companies with IPs that want to make money so they try to make sequels , remakes , reboots , prequels , and retcons but the issue is that every director and writer want to be different but the core fan base just want a good following story…. You can make one good origin story but every movie is a new origin story.
prometheus was a great movie, but they completely dropped the ball after that. imagine a movie when they went to visit the engineers homeland how sick would that have been no idea how they dropped the ball so badly when they set it up so perfectly
There is a fan theory that FireFly takes place in the same universe, but it's only potential crossover would be with Alien 4. I forget the timeline of both, but I did see that one recently. Honestly, Alien, Alien Isolation, Alien Romulus, and Aliens, are best kept as a quadrility. I know Romulus repeats a lot of alien, but it did it really well. The rest of the movies are terrible and it shows that Scott cares more about AI than he does about Alien.
If you thought the movie universe was a hot mess ... don't even TRY exploring the Comics Rabbithole of WTF ... This franchise needs some SERIOUS housekeeping.
Because the director can't let something that became bigger than his original vision, simply go. He had his chance when he denied a sequel, Cameron took it into a direction that made it action instead of horror, and that's all she wrote. There's only two films in this series if you're really a fan
I personally think Ridley Scott lost his marbles a long time ago, and refuses to let go of a franchise that never really was his to begin with (he only directed the first Alien, he didn't write it) due to a massive ego. I'll admit Prometheus and Covenant have some interesting ideas, but they really don't make sense in context, and completely take away the mystery and horror of the Xenomorph. People say the mystery was gone the moment they introduced the Queen? Not necessarily, I think, cause where did the Queen come from? I'm hoping against hope they never answer that question. It's why I'm so unsure what to think of Romulus. In many ways, it is the best Alien movie we've gotten in decades (no offense to the Alien 3 fans), but the fan service got Disney Star Wars levels of distracting, and the moment it re-introduced the Prometheus black goo, part of me got turned off. Sure, it gave us one of the most horrifying climaxes in the franchise (the Offspring was pure, uncanny nightmare fuel, the Newborn has nothing on it), but the fact this meant the Prometheus films are still canon is depressing to think about. Personally, the timeline only has 3 main entries (Alien, Isolation, and Aliens), with some good stand-alone stories on the side.
Well, alien isolation, alien colonial marines, alien romulus, and alien blackout take place in between alien 1979 and aliens 1986, considering those 2 movies were better than the sequels. While prometheus, alien covenant, and alien earth are more prequels.
Because they want it to mean more than it does. They keep trying to build a universe around what is essentially a wild animal that is just trying to survive in an environment it is not meant to be in.
Alien 1-4 sequential order. Prometheus and Covenant take place before 1 to explain the alien’s origins. Romulus bridges the gap between Alien 1-2. There you go.
I never considered the AvsP as canon to the main storyline to the aliens world. They just fun spin off. Prometheus was good entry and wanted to know so much more from the engineers (it has its issues and dumb decision making that made me rolled my eyes but it was good) Convenient was horrible and they just throw away the story that they was going to continue
You are wrong about the prequels. They are acknowledged in Romulus. Therefore, it’s still likely the events will still be addressed in the next movie or two. Ridley Scott is not going to erase what transpired in those movies. I especially want to see what happened to the Deacon and I want to see David come back. As far as I’m concerned, the AvPs are the only movie that are completely discarded from the Alien cinematic canon. Whatever happens after Romulus will have to wait and see what happens. Would be cool for the next movie to bridge the prequels and the post-Aliens sequels. I know 3 & 4 were bad (I don’t like them either), but it wouldn’t be a bad idea to address the discoveries that were made from those movies and how that tied into the freaky hybrid shown in Romulus, which did it WAY better than Resurrection imo.
This video is trying to make things more confusing. Three reboots? How about none? Four main films, two crossovers that aren't in canon, and three prequels.
The answer ... People want to capitalise or "riff on" the popularity of a great idea, but they also want to make it their idea, therefore changing it. It's parasitic film making. And it sucks. They can either write their own story with it's own unique world building, or they can stay in their lane and make a faithful sequel/prequel.... Not both.
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To be fair, I think most big horror movie franchises have confusing lore at this point.
Terrifier 1: Weird killer clown. T2: Clown... but also maybe a little supernatural. T3: Batshit silly Demonic involvement.
Only Scott has directed Alien movies that were horror genre. The rest were...whatever they tried to be I guess.
@@SuperLegendOf364 Many horror movies don't make much sense and don't explain the background. Even when Ridley Scott did the first alien nobody knew what the mysterious space jockey was sitting in the pilot chair. Ridley Scott took 40 years before giving us answers. So yeah the lore is confusing because there isn't enough time in a movie to explain everything. I think the new TV show will help explain all the lore as there's so much more to aliens like the black goo and the engineers and even David the AI and how predator fits into the alien universe.
Maybe horror shouldn't have more 2 sequel. The whole point and most of them is to figure out the mystery just enough of the creature.
If people know everything about the aliens or the unstoppable zombie monster. Everybody know how to stop them making them less horror.
Only way for sequel is to level up the threat or change the group who facing the unknown threat.
@Watch-0w1 Prometheus and Covenant were about exploring the Space Jockey, not the alien . It was ALIEN adjacent.
Ridley Scott retconning the Blade Runner universe into the Alien universe is especially galling considering he didn't even write the original Alien movie. He also didn't write Blade Runner. Don't get me wrong, Scott is a phenomenal director. But he should leave the writing aspect of filmmaking to people who are better at it.
The two franchises go together perfectly tho. I’ve always pictured Earth like Blade Runner in the Alien universe
Maximus from Gladiator is also in this timeline, but in the past, he fought a Predator at some stage as well.
@@glennross85Napoleon was from the engineer race. They also made Guccis to help fund Weyland Yutani and made the ship that sent Matt Damon to mars!
they both have synthetics/androids. but where ripley 8 set foot on earth, the setting and timeline was off. in blade runner, they wouldn't have known about engineers before prometheus. and noone could have reported back what happened there. especially if you put into consideration what happened in "fire and stone" arc in comics. that would be a nice movie to make going forward. nobody will have any data about xenomorphs and engineers/jockey until the very first alien movie
If it wasn't for Alien & Blade Runner, Scott would be regarded as a hack. He has made a lot of garbage.
i see the first two as connecting and everything else stand alone personally. Romulus was a ton of fun
Totally agree. Romulus is definitely a homage of greatest hits and pure fan service. That being said I did enjoy Prometheus and Covenant as well.
Prometheus was fine but covenant and Romulus both sucked let’s be real
@@pascal590being real, no, Romulus did not suck.
I really enjoyed Romulus
@@user-jt1js5mr3f It started good but then made the same turn that Covenant did: the characters started being dumb. the references, including discount Ash, to the original movies were contrived. The environments were phenomenal. The story, not so much. I still don’t understand why they made the life cycle of the xeno as accelerated as they did. Makes no sense why something that was just birthed instantly grows into a 10ft creature and actively continues growing.
We almost had a Neil Blomkamp sequel to Aliens staring Weaver, but instead, we got Prometheus...
Nothing of value was lost, Blomkamp is a pretty mediocre director with only one good movie that someone else made for him.
Idk why people still hypes the guy as he didn't make flop after flop the last decade.
AVP films are in continuity with the Predator mainline movies, but not the Alien series. That is how I see it.
I've always seen AVP as standalone. But they could tie the next one into the mainline. Crossovers are alot of fun.
@jonfreeman9682 Well in, "The Predator," the movie makes visual reference to the events of AVP by showing Xenomoprh/ Predator spear in a government lab.
I mean from a timeline perspective,Predator movies mainly take place in the modern time and are much more of a standalone affair with a sole yautja wrecking havoc while Alien films exclusively take place in a far futuristic setting on different planets/spaceships.Alien lore/universe is much broader in scope and scale than Predator one.
That being said,AvP movies are more in line with the Predator universe,if they are to be considered "canon" in any way.
While Ridley Scott is free to do whatever he wants, not everything needs to be one big interconnected universe. Just let Blade Runner and Alien be their own things. There's enough room in our imaginations for multiple cinematic universes. Yes. Even DC's.
“Best looking bad movie” that’s quite an often description of movies these days
No confusion.
There are 2 films,
Alien, Aliens.
Thematically, there's confusion.
The first two movies were gender-neutral impreg body horror films with female heroes about brutal, stupid, capitalist dystopias.
But 2 also introduced motherhood. And 3 abandoned the anti-capitalism. And 4 onward became obsessed with evil mixed race alien babies over and over as the biggest threat. And they kept killing off or writing out their final female survivors between films for the last three.
The franchise learned to love capitalism and hate women. So they got weird.
Youre forgetting a few of the movies if you think there's only 2
This is also why the by-far best-reviewed Terminator movies among audiences and fans (1, 2, and... yes... Dark Fate...hate the messenger if you want) have Sarah Connor in them. The Terminator movies are about mothers learning to start revolutions against cruel systems created by capitalists and warmongers while trying to maintain their humanity.
And Terminator Zero is aboooooout... mothers and fathers trying to fight revolutions against mechanized systems of war while protecting children.
And Sarah Connor Chronicles is abooooout... you get the idea.
The movies aren't about John Connor or Kyle Reese. But every hack keeps trying to make a Kyle Reese movie or kill off John Connor or both.
Nah. Alien 3 is underrated.
I'm with you on the 2.
The worst line can only be "what the fans wanted" - if you had asked any fan afer Alien what they wanted...do you think they would have come up with the story of Aliens? - Fans know shit...until they get a new film and then they can say "meh". If Fans knew what they wanted, studios give it to them, because it would be a win / win for both
Well it happens.
We wanted infinity war, got it, everyone won.
Listen to the fans, don't make them your writers
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Romulus was surprisingly good
It was very good with problems
We needed not the finals scenes with the basketball player and it would have been better
@@JwadeProductions7 I can understand that. I personally liked it and it disturbed me.
The first half yes. The second half was rubbish.
@@dipperdandy the second act wasn’t that bad.
It’s not really that confusing tbh
Yeah with different directors they’re all going to want to bring something new to the table. But they all make sense for the most part, and have their own logic. Although it does make for a slightly messy franchise.
I really hate the contemporary use of bait tittles and RUclips thumbnail surprise dumb face
Exactly
Seriously lol, explain it then lol
@@Thatonegirl989This is the same reason everyone hates the Star Wars sequels
The AvP game from 2009 hinted at a war between the Colonial Marines and Weyland-Yutani in a race to the Xenomorph homeworld. I woulda liked a AvP movie starring Ripley, Hicks, android Bishop, grown up Newt and android Dutch from Predator racing Wey-Yu and the Predators to the Xenomorph homeworld and upon arriving, Ripley dies by chestburster but the xenomorph spawned from her hesitates to attack Newt due to having developed traits from Ripley, something hinted at in Aliens when the Xenomorph cut the power as it implies they inherit not just physical but mental traits from from their hosts and thus making them dark embodiments of our worst traits.
Ridley's ego, that is why it is so confusing.
Xenomorphs were a lot better as giant space bugs, an invasive species that no one can deal with. A complete force of nature that humans can not control. Then Mr. Scott turned them into some kind of experiment for an android who has daddy issues. 🙄
They should have just followed the books and comics.
Originaly the Xenomorph was not just a space bug. It was a biomechanical creature. A fusion of tech and biology. But It was Cameron who first visualized them as mere mindless insects ala starship troopers (and tried to add sexy blue humanoid aliens that you can (censored) to the lore too). Although, I do agree that scott basically retconned them into mere experiments gone wrong... killing the "alien" factor to the aliens. Basically just replacing one cliche with another. Ignoring the timeless concept of the original. Either way, Most Sci-fi stories are stuck at visualizing extraterestial monsters as exaggerated variant of earth's local fauna anyway. Which made me appreciate the originality of the xenomorph concept even more.
@@tampakmurni I never fully embraced the "biomechanical" aspect of the creature, despite the original design hinting at it. Perhaps I interpreted the eggs too literally, or maybe the infamous human transformation scene should have been left intact to reinforce that theme.
Regardless of Ridley Scott's intentions, Alien offered no definitive explanation for the xenomorphs, leaving the door open for James Cameron to craft a logical and compelling backstory in Aliens. The comics and novels later expanded on this lore, often with far better storytelling than what the subsequent films delivered. For instance, Earth Hive would have made for an epic cinematic adaptation.
Interestingly, I don’t dislike Prometheus or Covenant-or even the concept of the black goo. These narratives could have worked as standalone tales within the Alien universe. However, Scott's insistence on tying everything back to the xenomorphs ended up diminishing the mystery and grandeur of the original creature, which ultimately undermined the series.
I think the concept of Xenomorphs being a truly Lovecraftian kind of Cosmic Horror emerging from a robot trying to create it's own ideal of life out of spite towards his creators, Humanity, only to end up with the god-like being worshipped by the Engineers, creators of Humanity, was a pretty rad idea...
But going from interviews, articles and early drafts to the scripts of both Prometheus & Covenant, Ridley seemed to be split on whether to apply this concept directly to the Alien Mythos or craft a more separate niche within the overarching saga.
As seen in aspects such as the scene where Fifield mutates in Prometheus, there is a nearly finished version where he more closely ressembles a Xenomorph, but it was edited so he doesn't, or the mural depicting the creature within the compund that is never alluded to...
@@michaelriverside1139 Yeah, it could have been interesting...if it didn't tie back to the xenomorphs.
The Alien franchise is using black goo the same way Marvel is using the multiverse and alternate timelines.
Well the black goo doesn't retcon anything but it makes the story more interesting.
You know what else had black goo of extraterrestrial origin? The X-Files! 🤯
For me Alien is just a trilogy: Alien, Aliens and Alien³ and my expanded universe is just Isolation, no comic or novel BS
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Yes, three thematically linked decent movies (sorry Newt and Hicks fans) and a very decent game that fits between the first two and even filling in the radio signal plothole.
The rest is just extremely varied quality fanfiction.
Glad you mentioned Isolation.... Good gods is that an amazing survival horror game.
... Probably one of the best. There's an amazing playthrough with no commentary I watched recently... I'll share it if you're interested and respond
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They took bits of isolation and added it to Romulus. I think they're planning a sequel with more isolation elements.
This video highlights the biggest problem all the subsequent films have had: they've all floundered in their attempt to bring something fresh to the table, because none of them has succeeded in making their own statement. New creature concepts should be a central conceit of the franchise, and it's one of the few strengths of any of the weaker follow ups, because these monsters iterate and adapt to their situation each time they're spawned.
If the franchise really wanted to be interesting, these creatures would never really be quite the same from one film to the next. There should always be some degree of unpredictability and novelty in their mutation, to the extent they can surprise and scare the audience every time.
We get that to an extent with the dog alien, and the hybrid newborn, and the squidhugger trilobyte, and the deacon. But they're all from flawed films that got on people's nerves for one reason or another. Romulus hit the right aesthetic notes with its look and feel, but like any cover band, it's not performing its own songs, it's just playing someone else's hits.
Combine that with how it veered into cringe territory in ways that fans were justifiably critical of, and many were left rolling their eyes at a film that didn't have the balls to do its own thing. It had to go the modern route of (repeatedly) breaking the fourth wall in a shallow attempt to appeal to a different audience. Scott and Cameron never broke the fourth wall, they just did their best to make great films.
These films fail to click because they usually only succeed at doing one thing at a time, while failing at several others. They're either too novel for their own sake (without giving the audience something to sink their teeth into) or too pandering with shallow fan service to feel grounded enough to be taken seriously. They can't juggle several elements at a time, and it's not interesting to watch someone juggle one thing at a time, because anyone can do it.
Scott knew how to set the stage with an atmosphere nobody had seen before, and Cameron knew how to juggle multiple elements of technical production, sensible worldbuilding, and grounded character arcs. And everyone else has just been copying him (poorly) for nearly forty years.
If a filmmaker could actually make their own entry with their own unique statement (rather than lazily regurgitating everything we've already seen) and keep people thinking long after the credits have rolled, audiences would respond in a universally positive fashion just like they did with the first two films. But such an effort still remains to be seen all these years later...
Another option would be fleshing out the universe more. Aliens implied there are more sentient species out there, or at least one more. (The Arcturans.) If there are numerous sentient species in the films' universe, then that opens up so many opportunities for new locations, victims, xeno-hybrids, etc.
Basically, I think the franchise could go a bit more 'space opera' without alienating audiences.
No confusion.
There are 3 films,
Alien, Alien Romulos, Aliens. The only 3 movies that make sense together.
Agree the only films that are good
I think Prometheus and Alien Covenant have their place here too though, especially considering the engineer xenomorph hybrid in Romulus
@ Prometheus and covenant are okay but they don’t make any sense. The offspring in my opinion is probably the most disturbing thing in the movie but it was unnecessary.
@@Shadow.24-c8h It's a direct confirmation that the lore introduced in the prequels is still very much canon, it was unnecessary for the stand alone story of Romulus but it wasn't added for no reason, it's the biggest connection the film has to the rest of the franchise.
Except Romulus is terrible…
Recently I read an article that puts scott as not caring at all the movie Gladiator 2, from the perspective of the photography director, but, is relatable, every time he wants to do something cool with his movies, big companies just shut down the ideas. Prometheus is pretty cool, but covenant was made to make disney people happy.
The Alien franchise, for me, spans two distinct narrative paths: one beginning with Alien and continuing through Prometheus, Covenant, and Romulus, and another following the original timeline of Alien, Romulus, Alien 2, Alien 3, and Alien: Resurrection. My love for the franchise took root with Prometheus, a film that introduced a fascinating philosophical premise rarely seen in horror movies.
What captivated me was the film's profound exploration of humanity's origins-the idea that we were created by an ancient alien race, and that the mysterious black goo is a substance capable of both generating and destroying life. Unlike typical horror movies that rely solely on blood and gore, Prometheus offered a deeper, more existential narrative.
The film's brilliant stroke was leaving the Engineers shrouded in mystery. Their culture, motivations, and way of life were tantalizingly incomplete, inviting viewers to imagine and interpret. When the film concluded with Shaw and David heading to the Engineers' home planet, I immediately sensed the potential pitfalls of a direct continuation. It would effectively demystified the enigmatic race, stripping away the intrigue that made Prometheus so compelling.
My reservations proved justified with Covenant. The film's decision to have David commit genocide against the Engineers rather than disclosing more information about the engineer.
Romulus, however, took an intriguing approach. The film subtly bridged the two franchise narratives by presenting the alien in an Engineer-like form, almost as if reverting to its primordial state. This design choice cleverly alluded to the black goo's origins with the Engineers, creating a fascinating link between the different storylines.
It's not confusing. It's just dumb.
Spaceballs is in the Alien Universe.
Explain yourself....
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@@OofHearted Oh yes, the end scene reference. I follow
After Aliens, how far this sci-fi horror franchise could successfully go has certainly been a most major challenge. Prometheus was interesting in its own right. But I’ve settled with occasionally revisiting the first two Alien films ever since. Even though I still like Winona’s contribution to Alien Resurrection.
i honestly dont find the franchise super confusing personally. Space is a huge place, and honestly all of these isolated stories could come to pass in the endless darkness out there.
David “creating” the Xenomorph in Covenant is an easy fix imo. When they arrive in the planet where David had been staying, they find wheat. (Been a while since I’ve seen the movie so I’m paraphrasing) one scientist points out how strange that is, the other goes “it’s not that strange. We have a similar atmosphere on earth, so it makes sense.” The other scientist says “wheat can only be grown through cross pollination and it usually takes generations.” Essentially, the xenomorphs already exist in the universe somewhere, or became extinct, but Weyland-Yutani knows of them and they’re in David’s data banks. Yeah it’s convoluted, but fuck dude I grew up with this franchise and Covenant wasn’t the worst one.
The events and added lore that happened in Prometheus are directly referenced in Romulus so I don't know why this video is claiming the prequels are going to be ignored now. The only movies that are ignored are 4 and the Alien vs Predator films.
I was really hoping the prequels would get ignored. That black goo is nonsense.
@@jneilson7568Black goo made the franchise interesting again and not just about Ripley surviving xenomorph's over and over.
@@jneilson7568 The black goo is thematically consistent with what's introduced in the very first movie.
The pursuit of the perfect living organism in the first movie is consistent with Weyland's pursuit of immortality in Prometheus and how that leads David to discover the black goo.
This is why the film is called Prometheus in the first place, it's humanity's discovery of the path towards the perfect organism (the black goo) by using the ship Prometheus, much like how Prometheus in Greek mythology introduced humanity to fire.
It's been a part of the franchise from the very beginning, so it's far from nonsense.
Ridley is 86 years old he need to give it to Fede Alvarez let him handle this franchise.....Romulus was so good it brought me back in
The number of callbacks in Romulus really put me off what would've been a great, fun standalone addition. But it should've been set just AFTER Aliens- Rook explains that there was a "sole survivor" of the Nostromo and knows everything that happened, but in Aliens it's clear no one knew that until Ripley is discovered and has to convince the execs at WY. Also, the Pulse rifles in Romulus seems like an upgrade of the ones in Aliens.
'Prometheus' & 'Alien: Covenant' do not contradict the 'AVP' movies. Peter Weyland can easily be the son of Charles Bishop Weyland and David 8 did not create the facehuggers & Xenomorphs. All that David 8 did was create the Praetomorphs.
No confusion
Alien
Romulus
Aliens
You forgot the alien isolation game. It had all of the original movies tension and action and fit into the universe better than any of the subsequent movies. The audio book out of the shadows also does a great job of shoe horning a new story into the existing timeline
Requiem tend to be pretty dark brightness wise but I love it. It's just so mean and to me how shit would actually go down.
It's not confusing, it's just been ruined.
You should not to be afraid of killing characters in your history, but neither should fear to keep them alive if they earned it, or the history has no where to go.
RIP Bishop, Newt, Hicks and Dr. Shaw.
What screwed the Alien series up is the prequels, because prequels almost always screw up a franchise. We never needed to know the xenomorphs origins, part of what makes them scary is that aspect of the unknown, they are cosmic horror. Now though all the movies are tainted by the knowledge that the xenomorphs are not some unknowable threat which might lurk on any planet humans settle on, but instead they were created by a robot with daddy issues, and for reasons never well explained created the xenomorphs. This creates an issue for the future of the franchise because unless they can come up with a way that David seeded more planets with the xenomorphs, we're stuck with LV-426 being the sole source of them, and the ship was destroyed when the station blew during Aliens. Look at how Romulus had to bring them back with a sudden ability to cocoon themselves in space. We can expect the Alien franchise to become more convoluted as they try and work the terrible ideas of the prequel trilogy into any future installments. That's why for my head cannon it's just Alien. Aliens, Alien 3, and Alien: Isolation.
As a fun bit of head cannon I've always like to view the Blade Runner and the Alien movies as timelines where Skynet was never able to take over so we get these universes where the the tech that would have created Skynet and the terminators being following a different path.
you'll potentially need to add another game to your head cannon if you're willing to include Isolation, because it's developer Creative Assembly announced on the 10th anneversary of it's release that they're working on a sequal and it's in early development.
Agreed. The series did not need backstory. Also, I *HATE* the black goo, especially now that it seems like it'll be a recurring element. Like these movies weren't random enough already, now we have an all-purpose plot device able to do create any type of body horror without any actual explanation. Sigh.
@ yep. I mostly liked Romulus, but it didn't need the black goo as a plot device, or the Engineer mutant baby at the end. It was too much of a ripoff of Resurrection. There was a number of different ways they could have taken that story, but because they had to connect it to Prometheus they made it less interesting.
Yes to this. Prequels cannot equal our imagination. The universe was far larger and terrifying without knowing where the alien came from. Jaws didn’t need a backstory.
2:56 one of the greatest movie lines ever lmao
Face huggers/Aliens/pew pew, what confusing
Fine, I'll say it: I _liked_ Prometheus, I think its an actually _good movie_ brought down by its connection to the Alien universe. I also don't hate Covenant as much as most, I had fun in the theaters
I thought covenant got better with rewatches. Lots of good parts to the movie.
except for how the Walter-David switch at the end was done. That got more frustrating each watch.
And yeah, some pretty dumb characters.
Prometheus would have been better and more understood had they left the original script and deleted scenes in that explain basically the entire movie and motive behind the Engineers. I would be way more interested if they made more movies going deeper into that story than another Alien movie that is the same as the rest.
Romulus is my second favorite in the franchise, it was so good
Hmm, well, that would mean it was better than either Alien or Aliens, and that's an impossibility on an objective level, never mind a subjective one 😁
@ taste in inherently subjective (have it above aliens)
@Erichpoethke I know, I was just playing with you. Subjectively, you're entitled to your opinion, but, objectively you're in such a minority with this view, that statistically you don't really count haha Again, I'm just playing. I applaud your stance and love of the new film. Personally, I enjoyed Romulus a lot, but more as a movie, whereas I consider Alien and Aliens to be films. It's about weight for me. Those first two are heavy duty. Romulus felt lightweight in comparison. More like a snack than a meal...
@@KaufmansCurse ok cool, I’m a bit of an autist. To be fair I wasn’t the biggest fan of a lot of the cast (luckily they all died 😁), and you’re right it did feel a bit popcorn-flicky or “lightweight” at times (thought the ending was amazing though). I love Aliens, but I blame it for the direction the following films took, and I really hate 80’s cornball and over-the-top action movies. I feel the same way about T2. It’s a great movie, just too much 80’s cheese.
"But here's the Thing." Show a Xenomorph.
I just view the franchise as a perfect trilogy now.
Alien, Romulus, and Aliens.
The SF movie, "Outland" would fit nicely in the Alien universe.
Yes, it does . Director Peter Hyams loved Alien and even though it's High Noon in space ...The whole film has a Alien feel to it. Hyams use a lot of the production team from Alien and Jerry Goldsmith who scored Alien . Is why it feels like it's in the same universe
Kurt Russell's "Soldier" ties in if you take the opening references to Blade Runner seriously.
Because after they killed off Ripley in the third movie a bunch of different writers made up their own idiotic backstories to suck money out of the people that liked the first two movies.
The Alien vs Predator arcade game from Capcom is the pinnacle of both franchises.
Creative differences and apparently their lackluster attempt at making sci-fi movies. The creatures are pretty great, but the other sci-fi details are thrown out of the window
Alien is one of those weird Franchises that wants to be anything but itself
I’d have thought that too, until having watched Alien: Romulus.
It’s not confusing as frustrating there’s a difference 😂
I wouldn’t call the alien franchise confusing, people just need to care enough to look into it because they aren’t going to outright tell you everything in one movie like a compendium
Another critic said the newer films make the Alien universe very small. Mainly due to the Ancient Aliens inspired Prometheus and its' sequels.
It's not confusing only three movies alien aliens and alien 3 the assembly cut....job done 😀
Like with certain other franchises, big part of the problem is ah... pliable, malleable canon, no proper rule book for how things work and this compulsion to escalate with each new story.
The original "Alien" is a riff on "At The Mountains of Madness". That's why it worked. The more you stray from that original story/concept, the more the overall story/universe seems to suffer. Just my opinion.
Many consider isolation to be canon, even disney/fox did when they were celebrating one of the anniversaries
We need one more film to bridge the gap between Covenant and Alien.
Personally, I kind of LIKE the shared-universe-idea, (which, rumor has it, should also include 'Avatar' and 'A. I.') but only if it's done well and done subtly. And too be fair, we don't really know for sure if they meant Vickers was a 'Bladerunner'-style "replicant" or a run-of-the-mill "Ash" or "Bishop"-style robot. At least that's what I assumed. =)
Because it was supposed to end after part 2.
I was thinking the same after Romulus - there are so many half breeds and xenomorph betas now
The confusing part is more Aliens movies keep happening.
It’s confusing…. Because you have movie companies with IPs that want to make money so they try to make sequels , remakes , reboots , prequels , and retcons but the issue is that every director and writer want to be different but the core fan base just want a good following story…. You can make one good origin story but every movie is a new origin story.
It keeps changing genre, right? Horror to Action to Sci-fi to Mystery to Space Opera
prometheus was a great movie, but they completely dropped the ball after that.
imagine a movie when they went to visit the engineers homeland how sick would that have been
no idea how they dropped the ball so badly when they set it up so perfectly
There is a fan theory that FireFly takes place in the same universe, but it's only potential crossover would be with Alien 4. I forget the timeline of both, but I did see that one recently.
Honestly, Alien, Alien Isolation, Alien Romulus, and Aliens, are best kept as a quadrility. I know Romulus repeats a lot of alien, but it did it really well. The rest of the movies are terrible and it shows that Scott cares more about AI than he does about Alien.
If you thought the movie universe was a hot mess ... don't even TRY exploring the Comics Rabbithole of WTF ... This franchise needs some SERIOUS housekeeping.
@Nerdstalgic but have you read the comics??
2:01 *Five years later. It came out in 1997 and “Alien 3” came out in 1992.
This franchise is an example of why I have a headache cannon.
I really loved the last one ❤
Because the director can't let something that became bigger than his original vision, simply go. He had his chance when he denied a sequel, Cameron took it into a direction that made it action instead of horror, and that's all she wrote. There's only two films in this series if you're really a fan
Vickers isn’t a robot, she wouldn’t have run for a space suit at the end.
I just realized: the Synthetic from "Romulus" was Literally 'Twitchy' 😂
I personally think Ridley Scott lost his marbles a long time ago, and refuses to let go of a franchise that never really was his to begin with (he only directed the first Alien, he didn't write it) due to a massive ego.
I'll admit Prometheus and Covenant have some interesting ideas, but they really don't make sense in context, and completely take away the mystery and horror of the Xenomorph. People say the mystery was gone the moment they introduced the Queen? Not necessarily, I think, cause where did the Queen come from? I'm hoping against hope they never answer that question.
It's why I'm so unsure what to think of Romulus. In many ways, it is the best Alien movie we've gotten in decades (no offense to the Alien 3 fans), but the fan service got Disney Star Wars levels of distracting, and the moment it re-introduced the Prometheus black goo, part of me got turned off. Sure, it gave us one of the most horrifying climaxes in the franchise (the Offspring was pure, uncanny nightmare fuel, the Newborn has nothing on it), but the fact this meant the Prometheus films are still canon is depressing to think about.
Personally, the timeline only has 3 main entries (Alien, Isolation, and Aliens), with some good stand-alone stories on the side.
The Alien "Franchise" is basically 2 excellent films followed by a load of substandard, by comparison with the first 2, prequels & sequels.
Well, alien isolation, alien colonial marines, alien romulus, and alien blackout take place in between alien 1979 and aliens 1986, considering those 2 movies were better than the sequels. While prometheus, alien covenant, and alien earth are more prequels.
Because they want it to mean more than it does. They keep trying to build a universe around what is essentially a wild animal that is just trying to survive in an environment it is not meant to be in.
the facehuggers were the best part, the engineers were the worst part, the alien homeworld, would have been a terrifying place,
Alien 1-4 sequential order. Prometheus and Covenant take place before 1 to explain the alien’s origins. Romulus bridges the gap between Alien 1-2. There you go.
Still a big fan of the franchise!
Same Romulus was a good return to form.
It’s not confusing
1 ,2 and 3 and your done.
They really should've allowed Neill Blomkamp, to direct his movie
Not really, Blomkamp is a very mediocre director and he had no right to attempt retcon Alien 3 and 4.
In short, there are 2 movies.
I think it's "canon" that Alien vs Predator are outside of the Alien timeline/universe. Of course, they can do whatever they want.
Can anyone tell me what show this is from? 1:02-1:11
Alien versus Predator is non-canon to either franchises
Firefly, foundation, I, Robot, and Forever Young are all in the same timeline.
how can you say that the prequels are going to be ignored when the black goo is used in romulus? and the timeline adds up.
I never considered the AvsP as canon to the main storyline to the aliens world.
They just fun spin off.
Prometheus was good entry and wanted to know so much more from the engineers (it has its issues and dumb decision making that made me rolled my eyes but it was good)
Convenient was horrible and they just throw away the story that they was going to continue
The Alien is more like an Insect than a Reptilian, also AVP is a seperate thing altogether tbh.
Isn't it implied that Ripley 8 had a descendant that the Aliens wanted??
You are wrong about the prequels. They are acknowledged in Romulus. Therefore, it’s still likely the events will still be addressed in the next movie or two. Ridley Scott is not going to erase what transpired in those movies. I especially want to see what happened to the Deacon and I want to see David come back. As far as I’m concerned, the AvPs are the only movie that are completely discarded from the Alien cinematic canon. Whatever happens after Romulus will have to wait and see what happens. Would be cool for the next movie to bridge the prequels and the post-Aliens sequels. I know 3 & 4 were bad (I don’t like them either), but it wouldn’t be a bad idea to address the discoveries that were made from those movies and how that tied into the freaky hybrid shown in Romulus, which did it WAY better than Resurrection imo.
I cannot wait for 'Aliens vs Predator vs Terminator vs Superman - no way home infinity war' starring Rachel Zegler and Anthony Mackie and Ben Shapiro.
I really hate that he didn’t connect it to the avp movies
cuz beating a series to death to milk it for as much money as possible is never a good idea but Hollywood has never been stopped by this notion
audio spike @1:46
When you don't know to do anything than sequels and spinoffs then thing will be confusing very quickly.
I prefer to keep Alien and Blade Runner separate. Ridley just loves making stuff up on the fly because no one has the balls to tell him no.
0:47 ✅ "Nothing other than a..."
Because people want to weave too many big ideas into a simple slash movie universe. Many things should have been remained unanswered.
This video is trying to make things more confusing. Three reboots? How about none? Four main films, two crossovers that aren't in canon, and three prequels.
The answer ...
People want to capitalise or "riff on" the popularity of a great idea, but they also want to make it their idea, therefore changing it.
It's parasitic film making. And it sucks.
They can either write their own story with it's own unique world building, or they can stay in their lane and make a faithful sequel/prequel.... Not both.
Basically, the franchise should have been left alone after Aliens