Why This Feminist Became Anti-Progressive | The Lila Rose Podcast E112

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  • @starstoryteller
    @starstoryteller 3 месяца назад +45

    Her correlation of the pill being the start of transhumanism is really fascinating and changing the medicine at large.
    It is also part of the current medical model of treating fertility as disease.

    • @toddness305
      @toddness305 3 месяца назад +1

      Brilliant revelation.

    • @chivalryisdead6440
      @chivalryisdead6440 3 месяца назад

      I strongly agree. Very clever way of looking at things that happened.

  • @blondetapperware8289
    @blondetapperware8289 3 месяца назад +31

    THANK YOU for having Ms. Harrington on! I love her work!!

  • @murphymomof9
    @murphymomof9 3 месяца назад +15

    This was so unbelievably good. Posting about this when I have a chance on X. Thanks to both of you.

  • @ianwynne764
    @ianwynne764 3 месяца назад +11

    Hello Lila and Mary: Regarding what men talk about when we together, much of it is understated and ironic little jokes. To many women looking on, it would probably appear that nothing is happening. However, when you are part of it, a huge amount of warmth and affection is being expressed. I hope that helps.

    • @cgpcgp3239
      @cgpcgp3239 15 дней назад

      I over heard a conversation of 3 men who didn’t know I was there. It was about sex. Maybe it was them. I guy once told that men tell each other lies. They all know each other is lying. Maybe the stories the men I over heard were lies.

    • @cgpcgp3239
      @cgpcgp3239 15 дней назад

      I over heard a conversation of 3 men who didn’t know I was there. It was about s-. Maybe it was them. I guy once told that men tell each other lies. They all know each other is lying. Maybe the stories the men I over heard were lies.

  • @megalopolis2015
    @megalopolis2015 3 месяца назад +18

    Mary speaks like a writer, with all of these amazing, innovative ideas coming into her head at 120 MPH and no place to put them but on paper. :0) I really will be looking for her work to get to read more often. As an aside, her skin is amazing, especially for her approximate age. You are absolutely gorgeous, as well. I also wanted to mention your stunning backdrop. I want to find it and hang it somewhere in my home just to look at it and be happier. :0) Happy new baby.

    • @lancewalker2595
      @lancewalker2595 3 месяца назад +2

      You should check out Camille Paglia.

  • @drxljrcc
    @drxljrcc 3 месяца назад +23

    I am enthralled by this. It is enlightening.

  • @mariahrossi3072
    @mariahrossi3072 3 месяца назад +11

    In an agrian society children are also part of the household economy. Thus moving the focus of work out of the home also devalued children.

    • @skylinefever
      @skylinefever 2 месяца назад +1

      This is something people don't like to face. When kids don't have an ROI, why have any?

  • @JohnHenrysaysHi
    @JohnHenrysaysHi 3 месяца назад +11

    Welcome back, Lila! Was happy to see a new episode in my podcast feed on my phone this morning! Hope you and your family are well. Really enjoyed your previous episodes on femininity and masculinity, so thank you for covering this related topic further. Also, yesterday's Live Action video S*xual Ethics: Rome to Christianity was great imo! The visual quality was stunning. Thank you for being so loving for the dignity of life! Hope you and your family have a light-filled peaceful joyful week!

  • @halevirginia9523
    @halevirginia9523 3 месяца назад +3

    Mary is such an incredible thinker, I'm so grateful for her work. Her book was one of the best I ready last year. Thank you so much for this interview!

  • @juliagriffiths3291
    @juliagriffiths3291 3 месяца назад +10

    Brilliant Mary ❤ her book. I am with her. Lies we have been fed.

  • @arthurw8054
    @arthurw8054 3 месяца назад +3

    I have read and most highly recommend Mary's book, Feminism Against Progress. She's one of a very, very few contemporary thinkers who actually sparked a paradigm shift in my thinking. Great interview, thanks.

  • @jennylynn215
    @jennylynn215 3 месяца назад +28

    Im deconstructing my own liberalism. Thank you for this.

    • @desireegreen653
      @desireegreen653 3 месяца назад

      I love both of these women, so happy for their conversation...can I ask what lead to you deconstructing liberalism?

    • @Nylon_riot
      @Nylon_riot 3 месяца назад +1

      As a classic lib which is a reduced calorie libertarian, I was an ally over workers rights issues and protecting fa. I bolted when the promotion of maps started attacks on men and free speech. Best of luck on your journey, like so many others, I think you will find you are so much happier not stuck on the doom and gloom cycle. Many even stopped needing antidepressants. It is a sick system. I am so tired of them preying on us.

    • @skylinefever
      @skylinefever 2 месяца назад

      @@Nylon_riot I could not go full libertarian because I saw free trade as a way of megacorps to ignore environmental safety and labor safety laws. They'll just make more shit in Chyyyna

  • @vitspenatek455
    @vitspenatek455 3 месяца назад +4

    The worst lie we tell girls is that they can do everything men can. But the competition is solely defined by terms of men's success. When they keep losing, then, they feel inferior, powerless, inadequate. All the while the society keeps hammering them with every successful woman who got a great job, founded a business or won a race. I saw what that thinking does to a woman and it was just miserable. I can barely distinguish basic colours, I could live in a cave and I wouldn't be bothered and first and for all, I'm horrible at having babies. Yet nobody aims to diminish my value because of that. Why do we do that only to women? ... Love Mary, love her book and how she giggles. Thanks for bringing her on.

  • @Joshua-eo5hr
    @Joshua-eo5hr 3 месяца назад +29

    Feminism was never about equality

    • @Weavileiscool
      @Weavileiscool 3 месяца назад

      Wollstonecraft mostly was but ever since then it hasn’t been

    • @DennisNeijmeijer
      @DennisNeijmeijer 3 месяца назад +1

      It has always been about advocacy for women. Can be interpreted as striving for equality where women are behind. But the disinterest in taking a step back when women are ahead shows the intention was always Forward fpr women, no matter the position of men.
      So it's a supremacy movement now women have caught up but are not slowing down.

    • @asparagus5428
      @asparagus5428 3 месяца назад

      Lol.

    • @Nylon_riot
      @Nylon_riot 3 месяца назад

      Womens lib was funded by Rockefeller and Carnegie because they needed more factory workers and the government wanted a new tax base. As well as kids now having to be put into schools for indoctrination, also started by Rockefeller and Carnegie to make more factory workers.

    • @chivalryisdead6440
      @chivalryisdead6440 3 месяца назад

      Nope.
      At first it was about redefining the position of women under the influence of early industrialism.
      After that it was solely about (hedonistic) freedoms that hardly improve quality of life (or undermine it).

  • @aenigmatica8
    @aenigmatica8 3 месяца назад +5

    Such a great conversation. Let’s take back the feminism label!

  • @chrismassie3493
    @chrismassie3493 3 месяца назад +8

    Also not that the Industrial Revolution replaced all the important jobs that women found honor in with machine. Clothes being made at a factory instead of a wife sitting at a fabric loom for 100s of hours to clothe the family. Is a big change in what a women did. Men made machines to make there women’s lives easier but removed the tasks that gave them purpose besides just having children

    • @chivalryisdead6440
      @chivalryisdead6440 3 месяца назад +1

      Goes to show you that automation or industrialisation is only useful given the precondition that it improves quality of life.
      ... chances are that if events of the past 200 years would have taken place of the course of 2000 years it may well have been better for humanity because it would have given people more time to adapt their cultures more appropriately.

  • @cm2019
    @cm2019 3 месяца назад +6

    Thank you for this interview!

  • @estellepurcell3755
    @estellepurcell3755 13 дней назад

    Thank you so much for having this interview. I love seeing this combination of someone of GREAT intellect with someone of faith. ❤

  • @christinelynch1111
    @christinelynch1111 3 месяца назад +2

    I did a lot of head nodding during this interview. Mary speaks a lot of truth regarding the history of the nuclear family in an agrarian to industrial society. I would add that my childhood in the 70s and 80s included neighbors that were home in an overall Judeo Christian society. In several neighborhoods we've lived, neighbors aren't available, no one is home or want to visit like I grew up with. Not many women stay home these days. It's a totally different world!

    • @chivalryisdead6440
      @chivalryisdead6440 3 месяца назад +1

      Agreed.
      I wonder what her thoughts are on the development of the role of grandparents. Particularly because we have lost the cultural focus on stable families where there would have been an ideal 'vacancy' for grandparents to look after grandchildren while parents were working. It may well have been a perfect 'stabilizing influence' in households. But instead for some reason we've put grandparents in independant households where they can contribute much less.

    • @katiestevenson8920
      @katiestevenson8920 3 месяца назад +2

      As globalization has increased more people have had to continually relocate to advance their career. People no longer live close to extended family. Plus people love their privacy and independence which is less when living in close proximity to family.

  • @fortunefair
    @fortunefair 3 месяца назад +6

    53:41 "signal scrambler" excellent term

  • @aquious953
    @aquious953 3 месяца назад +2

    If women believed replacing water with gasoline on firetrucks would be better for firefighting, they would spend eternity lobbying to continue the process, regardless.

    • @skylinefever
      @skylinefever 2 месяца назад +1

      Perhaps the greatest movement won't be using facts and logic, it will be better programming code for the NPCs.

  • @grannyannie2948
    @grannyannie2948 3 месяца назад +7

    First time listener, it was recommended by Mary being your guest. I am not American and I was interested by your prolife stance which I share. My country has socialised health care and scans are performed at six weeks as part of the confirmation of pregnancy. They are obviously tiny babies. I don't know why it is such a charged topic in the US. My state doesn't have abortion, not because its ilegal but because not a single doctor is prepared to perform one. I've never heard a woman complain.

    • @truthnotlies
      @truthnotlies 3 месяца назад

      What country is this??

    • @grannyannie2948
      @grannyannie2948 3 месяца назад

      @@truthnotlies Australia

    • @desireegreen653
      @desireegreen653 3 месяца назад

      Really? Australia doesn't have abortion? I didn't know that!

    • @desireegreen653
      @desireegreen653 3 месяца назад

      Wikipedia says it's legal there...

    • @grannyannie2948
      @grannyannie2948 3 месяца назад +2

      @@desireegreen653 If you read my comment, I say it is not available in my state. My state is not the entire country.

  • @shaulkramer7425
    @shaulkramer7425 3 месяца назад +10

    Mary Harrington is one of the most important voices for women to listen to...

    • @racheljames7
      @racheljames7 3 месяца назад +1

      Not even close. Harrison Butker spoke more truth in 20 minutes.

    • @Weavileiscool
      @Weavileiscool 3 месяца назад

      ⁠@@racheljames7he’s not the best speaker unlike her

  • @bumpercoach
    @bumpercoach 3 месяца назад +3

    Imagine
    if there was a pill
    which would allow
    a HORSE to now TALK
    at the cost of NOT
    RUNNING or carrying
    a rider... would you
    do that?

    • @ianmiles2505
      @ianmiles2505 3 месяца назад +1

      I am not a horse.

    • @bumpercoach
      @bumpercoach 3 месяца назад

      @@ianmiles2505
      and yet there's
      something magnificent
      you're uniquely for
      ... the reason we all
      "that's ok you have
      other talents" when
      a woman can't have
      her own children is
      because its such
      a profound
      tragedy

  • @GairikGhosh-bx8ks
    @GairikGhosh-bx8ks 3 месяца назад +8

    Bottom line. Her husband is the reason she managed this far. Pretty based.

    • @DennisNeijmeijer
      @DennisNeijmeijer 3 месяца назад +3

      She definitely got bailed out. At least she doesn't claim to have done it on her own steam.

    • @chivalryisdead6440
      @chivalryisdead6440 3 месяца назад

      It seems so yes. This woman is very very clever for sure.
      ... but it may well be that the real genius is her husband.
      Hard to say.

  • @hengineer
    @hengineer 3 месяца назад +5

    I think its not that you arent against progress, i think its a question of what exactly IS progress. How does that manifest to you?

  • @desireegreen653
    @desireegreen653 3 месяца назад +2

    Ring by Spring 💍 My daughter went to a Christian college and that's a saying there. Meaning aim to be engaged to a good man by Spring of senior year. She is applying for medical school, and she was very focused that she preferred to begin building her family during her undergrad. She hopes to have a baby during her residency. She has wonderful women 15-50 years older than her encouraging her, mentoring her spiritually, professionally, and in marraige and family. That's what is working for her.

  • @AnastasiaR
    @AnastasiaR 3 месяца назад +12

    Love this!! Mary is so wise

  • @b.melakail
    @b.melakail 3 месяца назад +6

    Mary is great

  • @zusterMalikaLithgow
    @zusterMalikaLithgow 3 месяца назад +35

    What I miss in this interview is the importance of clothing and the rise of the mini skirt at the same time "the pil" came on the market. The pressure that was put on women to dress themselves in a sexy and provocative way. And that fashion and make up became very important. Women became pleasers who need to look young and willing. And so they became competitors for each other with revenge and jealousy in their hearts. And men laughed at it and made jokes about it.

    • @MrMark595
      @MrMark595 3 месяца назад +10

      Well, there is sweeping generalisation collapsjng all complexity if ever I saw it.

    • @MB-yl9hm
      @MB-yl9hm 3 месяца назад +5

      You have a 5 year olds understanding of history

    • @samgraham8430
      @samgraham8430 3 месяца назад

      @@MB-yl9hm Sophomoric at best

    • @sarahsanford3682
      @sarahsanford3682 3 месяца назад +9

      As if women never competed with each other in looks before in history before the mini skirt. 😂

    • @elizabeth.601
      @elizabeth.601 3 месяца назад +6

      I think you are correct. The pill enabled sex to be given and taken on demand "consequence free" (all though it can never really be consequence free the pill just makes it appear that way) and with that came a focus on sex purely for arousal and pleasure. And therefore there was a focus on women to start marketing themselves for free sex to men. Women in hollywood etc... fully leaned into that and it influenced younger generations

  • @mikem.s.1183
    @mikem.s.1183 3 месяца назад +3

    Knowing the roots of feminism (ie, 1st Wave Feminism) lie in neomarxism, occultism, free love and dislike for family values, I wonder:
    - WHY Harrington still considers herself a feminist
    - WHY Ms. Rose said that technology has had a much deeper impact on women (something Jordan Peterson erroneously considers), especially considering how almost 300 years ago the industrial revolution DID NOT have the impact current tech is having on relationships
    This is exactly why we must regard anyone who considers herself a feminist with a ton of caution.

    • @RainbowDevourer
      @RainbowDevourer 3 месяца назад

      I agree that she only focuses on the materialist aspect of the feminist movement. I think she should read Occult Feminism, if she has not already.
      But why do you assert that it is an error to overestimate the impact technology had to the spread of feminism. As far as I can tell, feminism is only able to spread once a certain level of production is reached and tech makes work less dependent on physical strength.
      - From what I understand, the impulse behind feminism was always lurking in the background, but could only spread to the extent it has done today once a certain tech level was reached. If the tech disappears, the necessity of survival will abolish feminism quickly, or so I would think.
      But I would love to hear your argument on it.

    • @chivalryisdead6440
      @chivalryisdead6440 3 месяца назад

      ​@@RainbowDevourerAgreed.
      I could not have asked the same question in a better way.
      It seems that the developments of the past 200 years impacted the lives of women more deeply than men making it more difficult for women to redefine culture along with men.

  • @jonahtwhale1779
    @jonahtwhale1779 3 месяца назад +13

    She has nit changed!
    Her views are still driven by what she wants.
    When young she wanted the freedom to live life consequence free. With no bad outcomes f o r her.
    Now her wants have changed.
    Now she wants life to be stable and consequence free, at others expense! With no bad outcomes for her.

    • @samgraham8430
      @samgraham8430 3 месяца назад +8

      Who wants bad outcomes? She sounds like someone who's lived a life full of consequences and growth as a result of it.

    • @daltonbrasier5491
      @daltonbrasier5491 3 месяца назад +3

      ​@samgraham8430 what consequences?

    • @racheljames7
      @racheljames7 3 месяца назад +3

      ​@samgraham8430 But she hasn't had any consequences. She's been extremely lucky and shouldn't be held up as an example because the likelihood is if you live that kind of life, you will get STDs, will be rendered infertile and will end up alone.

    • @racheljames7
      @racheljames7 3 месяца назад

      I agree. She's still a feminist. If we're going to listen to any women, they should be authentic Catholics like Mother Angelica.

    • @vklnew9824
      @vklnew9824 3 месяца назад

      ​@@samgraham8430 defense-bot

  • @LillyAlbright
    @LillyAlbright 3 месяца назад +3

    Even though I don't have a baby I think I will buy a case of Pampers!!!

  • @joekeegan937
    @joekeegan937 3 месяца назад +1

    Thank you for a very interesting interview.

  • @simshengvue5799
    @simshengvue5799 3 месяца назад +3

    Who were the feminists going against the maternalists. I would like to know who they were and what their objectives are

    • @ianmiles2505
      @ianmiles2505 3 месяца назад +2

      Me too. But one thing is certain they hate us.

  • @Laurefin
    @Laurefin 3 месяца назад +3

    Yes! Lila and Mary! What a treat ❤

  • @jvrza373
    @jvrza373 3 месяца назад

    Excellent conversation.

  • @cgpcgp3239
    @cgpcgp3239 15 дней назад

    Guest and host ignore that feminist argued that the monetary value unpaid work like caregiving for children, parents, housework should be taken in consideration in social and economic policies. I like hearing diverse views. But I’m suspicious when someone straw man’s opponents arguments. I’m not a feminist bc I’m not an ideologue. I’m heterodox. But there are some feminists do seriously represent opponents views and dismantle them rationally. That did not happen in this interview.

  • @Vickzq
    @Vickzq 3 месяца назад +2

    It's just feminism, not fake feminism. Declaring men, family and religion as enemies since day #1.

  • @zgobermn6895
    @zgobermn6895 3 месяца назад

    Mary is always interesting!

  • @asparagus5428
    @asparagus5428 3 месяца назад +4

    No. Women didn't have personage, legal and financial independence in pre+industrial times. That's quite the rewriting of history. Women were treated as livestock until they had en early d from childbirth number 10/15. There is a lot to agree with in what Mary says, but without financial independence and the human right of bodily autonomy women are, and will remain, men's property.

    • @inquisitor4635
      @inquisitor4635 3 месяца назад

      Livestock?
      I currently have 150 dairy cows fenced in on my pasture. Back in the day those would have been women contained en masse?
      Or would a man traditionally have just one wife, unless a Mormon?
      Coverture certainly legally regarded a man's one wife as his property, but with that he subsumed all liabilities for her as his own liabilities. That was actually a benefit for her with that particular status in muchbm harder times when survival was more paramount than in the current post-modern western society.

    • @michaelholycross2633
      @michaelholycross2633 3 месяца назад

      You're delusional. Women could, in fact, own businesses, albeit limited in scope, as far back as the Middle Ages. You may also want to investigate Eleanor of Aquitaine and the concept of courtly love.

    • @chivalryisdead6440
      @chivalryisdead6440 3 месяца назад

      It pleases me that this is the only bitter feminist comment that turned up in the comment section.
      Either be honest about history or sink deeper into the bitterness of modern feminism.
      Your choice... you are strong and independant right? Good luck. Hahaha!

  • @Pinkui
    @Pinkui 3 месяца назад

    Very nice and educational interview. She was able to explain a lot of open points in my discussion with my daughter over feminism, the role of women in society together with the rampant misogyny that we see these days. As usual Lila, very good content

    • @ianmiles2505
      @ianmiles2505 3 месяца назад +3

      Rampant myisiogeny? Carry on.....

    • @chivalryisdead6440
      @chivalryisdead6440 3 месяца назад +1

      ... rampant misoginy? If there's any rampant sexism nowadays it would by misandry. As a response there may be some actual misoginy here and there... but the root cause is misandry.
      Did you listen to the interview?

  • @DebraCozad
    @DebraCozad 2 месяца назад

    Ezer = rescuers and strength is proper translation not helper
    used to cringe whenever I heard this Bible verse, I went straight into defensive mode. I don’t want to be a “helper” or “help meet”, that sounds so lame. Like I was made to be an assistent or servant to a man. This my dear sisters is a lie, you are made for so much more. In Hebrew the word used is Ezer Kenegdo and this is a difficult word to translate into English or any other language.
    The meaning of Ezer Kenegdo
    Ezer has originally two meanings in Hebrew, depending on the pronunciation: to rescue/to save and to be strong. In the Old Testament the word Ezer is used 21 times. We can roughly divide the different Scriptures in three ways the word “Ezer” is used:
    1. Ezer used for the woman.
    Show list of Scriptures
    2. Ezer used for nations to whom Israel appealed for military aid.
    Show list of Scriptures
    3. Ezer used for God as Israel’s helper.
    Show list of Scriptures
    What these Bible verses have in common is that Ezer is used consistently in military context. The Ezer is a warrior. You are a warrior.
    The Hebrew word Kenegdo means opposite as to him or corresponding as to him. A woman is no better or less than the man. Man and woman are equally and uniquely created, a perfect fit.

  • @womenagainstfeminismreturns
    @womenagainstfeminismreturns 3 месяца назад +3

    I would so love to interview you and other non feminist women.

    • @dubbomarcus
      @dubbomarcus 3 месяца назад

      Feminism has ruined modern western society. I’m a dedicated Batchelor because what feminism has done to women and society.

  • @DebraCozad
    @DebraCozad 2 месяца назад

    I don't agree with the " word feminist " as same as men ...to me is our differences recognized but honored...equality doesn' t mean the same...equality means there must be a difference to create this issue...we are not in competition with men...we are not the same....so competition is moot

  • @yvesgysel9834
    @yvesgysel9834 3 месяца назад +3

    You guys have your equality now. Enjoy it. You can defend yourself and work for yourself... You can live your dream's. Join the military. Having your fun...

    • @ianmiles2505
      @ianmiles2505 3 месяца назад

      They have opened the doors of Europe to those than would overrun us.
      They eliminated millions of potential humans. Think about this in terms of numbers and pure potential.

    • @skylinefever
      @skylinefever 2 месяца назад

      And if you think if mandating quotas, make sure women pump 50% of septic tanks.

  • @chivalryisdead6440
    @chivalryisdead6440 3 месяца назад +2

    This woman is not a feminist. I don't understand why she calls herself a feminist. I am positive it undermines the goal of reaching the people she needs to be reaching. I would go as far as saying that if this woman calls herself a feminist it is a bit emberassing.
    Very very good content. Underrated (for now).

  • @malhenning1608
    @malhenning1608 3 месяца назад +1

    So the question is "which women as a man do you actually listen to?" I listen to Mary the reactionary feminist.

    • @racheljames7
      @racheljames7 3 месяца назад

      As a man, dont listen to women at all. You're supposed to be leaders, now start acting like one.

    • @ianmiles2505
      @ianmiles2505 3 месяца назад

      Of course you do.

  • @jonahtwhale1779
    @jonahtwhale1779 3 месяца назад

    Just gynocentrism!
    She wants one set of advantages when she was younger but a different set when her wants change as she ages!
    It is only and always - society has to be forced to provide what is good for me!

  • @unkownnameless2699
    @unkownnameless2699 3 месяца назад

    So she preached feminism to other women and then put herself under male gaurdianship..... and still calls herself a feminist