At 105k miles, my 1979 Subaru GL wagon’s water pump failed. That required lifting the engine as the cross member of the frame prevented removing the pump’s bolts. While the engine was lifted, I decided to disassemble to replace worn components. I was unable to split the case. So I took the block to a shop. A little backstory is useful before I go on: I regularly changed the oil and filter at or before 3000 miles. So the engine had 35 oil changes and filters (105/3 plus the first change at 1000 miles). The next day the shop owner called me up and asked how many miles the car had. I told him 105,000. He said “that can’t be.” I asked him “why?” He replied “because there is not enough wear on this engine!” I try to change my cars oil regularly.
@@stewiegriffin6503 ... not necessarily OCD. an extra oil change per year isn't huge. and the relatively cheap cost of the oil change is pennies compared to major engine parts failures. Going early on a oci isn't terrible as you keep newer/fresher oil in the engine. Going too early is wasting time and money. OCI in the owners manual are only recommendations and cannot account for every situation/environment. I change my oil at/close to 5k miles despite Subaru saying 6k miles. I still average an oil change every 5 months vs 6. Plus, going every 5k gives me some fudge room to account for time available.
BRZ and FRS are suffering from this not because they are poorly maintained, but because they are often tracked, and sideways loads in corners usually send all of the oil to one half of the engine, which can lead to pick up tube being exposed to air. Mostly in long right handers or heavy braking. People solve this issue with baffles in oil pan and oil accumulators.
@@Mattalaska their engines have advantages. Short crankshaft, good balance. Maintenance is actually quite easy, if you know what you are doing. They have their weak spots, but they don't manifest, if you are maintaining them. The horror stories come from people who bought an abused car, or who abused the car themselves. These don't tolerate abuse as well as Honda or Toyota engines.
That's not even engine specific I don't think, I'm pretty sure it's a problem for Subaru in general. I saw a guy on RUclips doing donuts in a WRX and the engine blew due to oil starvation just like these new rear powered sports cars they came out with recently. Sounds to me like the need to rethink their oil systems and pan designs at least on the sports models
Gosh, looks like the owner followed the dealer recommended 7,000 + miles interval between oil changes. Possible thought they could go that long before checking oil level too. As others have said, great channel Bro. We appreciate the work it takes for our education and entertainment.
@@AlternateRye So I just looked it up and 7500 miles is 12,000 kilometres. What's insane about that? Every car I know has an interval of 15,000km if you're looking after the car because some manufacturers prescribe longlife oil every 30,000km. How often would you change the oil in this if 7500 miles is insane for you? Every other Tuesday?
Amazing work. Great detail without the bull. As an FA20 owner I understand more how the oil moves around this new boxer engine. Thank you for your hard work.
Great vid, despite the lack of laundry! The oil return on the pan looked interesting, and I could see that motor starving the pickup under load pretty easily especially with no baffling. Do that for a few laps and boom.
Yeah, it's both. All Subaru boxers are sensitive to low oil levels, but many BRZ/FRS get used for track days, or just hooning around. Unless you replace the oil pan with a baffled design, trouble will find you!
Another great engine teardown. This will sound weird but I find these videos to be pretty relaxing and calming to watch - as well as interesting and educational. Hope you get to tear down a 5.7 or 6.4 hemi engine at some point!
Loved this - great to see someone so knowledgeable at work. Awesome to see the inside of 'my' engine. (I'll keep checking and changing its oil!) Great work - thanks for creating, bro!
Always an enjoyable watch! It's hard to believe how many people spend tens of thousands on a car and not maintain it. Just drive it til the engine stops.
You 100% ABSOLUTELY SHOULD make a coffee-table out of a Subaru Engine-block and POST a pic of it as I'd LOVE to see that!!! Am awaiting WINTER WEATHER so we can all SEE YOU FREEZE to death,taking these things apart!!! Lol. As Always,AWESOME Video Man!!! : >)
Thanks. And thanks for the encouragement. It's already freezing outside and I've got the next engine waiting out there for me to teardown. Waiting for those "warm" days when it's a few degrees above 0 and no wind to film teardowns.
From the racing guys, that bent oil pickup tube creates cavitation at high rpm and will fail even a properly oil filled engine. Aftermarket makes a straight tube pickup
As much as the FA20 gets shit on especially for being "torqueless", still love the motor. I had 2 FRS from new for over 10 years, still possibly my favorite car.
Did the fa20 get upgraded over the years for the brz/frs? Like minor model year changes. Slight improvements but not documented by Toyota or Subaru officially?
@@Unknownmanufacturer definitely, there were minor updates from launch MY 2013 to 2016 and then new ecu + engine updates for 2017+ when the twins got a facelift. I don't think there were many changes, if any, made after that until engine changed to fa24 for 2nd gen. Ft86club forums have documented everything if you want to learn more ^^
@@Unknownmanufacturervery minor changes. Wiring harness, ignition coils, sensors, slightly different part configurations between the Kouki and Zenki especially but nothing extremely significant.
I've had the turbo variant of this engine for 5 years, 60k miles with no problems. OEM Oil/filter change 3--5k, spark plug changed recently, no tunes/tracking throughout the whole time. However, I did get one check engine light. Code P1449, due to Japanese spider webs in the EVAP system.
2:59 Rod knock at 114'000klm !? 😮 How to prevent this ? What oil will you choose for the FA20 ? I have fear now that I know it's happening at sunch low KLM... Is it really low on oil and with hard cornering/High revving the engine starve oil or something like that ?
thanks for the super informative and concise video! bought a '14 brz with 22,000 miles on it back in february, definitely will be referring to this down the road!
I see no screen on the oil pickup in the oil pan. I have one of these in a 2015 car with 71,000 miles. No oil useage other than 8 oz. or so, in 7500 mile oil changes. It does seem to eat coolant and no one in forums seems to have an answer.
I LOVED this video! I have a '24 OB Wilderness which has the FA24DIT. If/when you ever get one of those engines to tear into, I would love to see it. Maybe even be on site with you (on- or off- camera, your choice) to see the internals. Thanks for making this.
I did my first set of spark plugs and my first valve cover gasket on a 2004 wrx. Honestly, it wasn't that bad the only issue was I couldn't get a torque wrench in there so I had to do it by feel. After you do it one time you basically know what to expect with every subaru motor ever.
Is this one of those Subaru engine where they loose oil pressure going around corners. Maybe someone had too much fun around the track? The oil pan seem pretty bang up. Nice breakdown!
That would be the new FA24 non-turbo in the new BRZ, that was only pushing the engine hard on the track, daily driving should not have that problem. Running a heavier oil for the track is ideal to prevent that too.
The thing I notice about rubber sealed surfaces is they deform over time and create micro gaps for whatever reason. Buy any old el cheapo valve cover gasket but apply rtv to both mating surfaces and use the gasket as a mold. RTV seams to conform to these imperfections.
That’s what I always do on any of my cars. The added RTV sealant costs SFA and might save you from having to pull it all apart again in a few years time when the rubber gasket lets go.
@@speedkar99 the shop I worked on and off always put a thin film of rtv on the valve cover gasket housing areas and put the gasket in-between and never had a problem. A mared or compromised surface can't be helped by a premium expensive gasket as the micro gaps would leak way sooner but with the help of rtv those cracks/gaps get filled. Another thing it was the 24 hr cure cheaper RTV but the customer was able to drive away within an hour with no issues with the help of a gasket core + RTV.
If you can find one, please compare the old boxer engines from the likes of Alfa Romeo (Sud, Sprint) with the more modern (Subaru) boxers. I used to own an old Alfasud and those engines were amazing (the sound in particular). I'd like to get a technical breakdown of those engines to see how design has improved (or otherwise) since the 80s.
this should've been made super clear, it wasn't Subaru... it was the operator that failed. standard though and then they put the blame on Subaru and make them look bad. All good for the ones with knowledge, makes the cars cheaper for us lol.
@@speedkar99 you have any videos breaking down skyactiv tech? ive heard that its basically an ICE with incredibly high compression to burn everything in that chamber - sounds cool
Thank you so much for this video. If you can turn one of those into a coffee table, please do! I'm about to take out my FA20 engine and I think it would be pretty awesome to keep some place other than the garage.
I had this engine in my 2013 Impreza Sport. That thing used more than a quart every 1,000 miles. Dealer refused to warranty it and said that was an acceptable level of consumption. Normal modern cars don’t consume oil like that when they’re young. I don’t blame the owner for running this thing low.
Oil consumption is getting ridiculous, like fuck even toyotas have ring problems now. I don't get it. Why squeeze 1 extra mpg out of it just to compromise engine health before it even reaches 200k?! 400k mile chevies burning a quart every 4000 miles but we have new 4 cyl cars of all makes and models burning double that from the factory
@@tacomas9602 I agree. The extra gas mileage is vastly overridden by the price of the oil consumed. And they have the gall to put “partial zero emission vehicle” on a car that’s not a hybrid and consumes a quart of oil out the tailpipe every 800 miles. Like, did you check the emissions while it was burning that oil?
I have the FB20D in my Crosstrek, the only time it ate oil was when I was doing long stretches (2+ hours) on the highway in freezing temps with 0-20. I'm running 5-30 now in the desert and don't lose a measurable (by the eye) amount between 5000 mile services. I've heard early FB20s had issues with oil consumption, a heavier weight might save you some trouble, otherwise you could have oil blasting through your pcv valve.
Okay…. So…. If you look at the oil feed ports in the front of the block and timing cover……. The one under the oil filter goes to the driver side head, the one in the lower center goes from the pump to the filter, the upper center to the mains, and the passenger side to the passenger head. The junctions between the timing cover and those ports are sealed with o rings. What do you see hanging off of the sides of the ports and tc? Sealant…… it breaks off into the passages and clogs the OIL GALLERIES…… not the pickup tube. (Separate issue) Thats what causes the majority of J02 failures. Any decent mechanic knows you don’t use sealant and o rings unless it’s explicitly stated in bold, red, and all caps.
Actually after watching again, quick question: the oil temps in these cars tend to run pretty high stock and when just cruising around, how can you rule out that it was a lack oil and not just overheating the oil and causing the oil pressure to drop? Or would they technically be the same thing in this case?
@@CTR_Dananyone who follows the 0w20 recommendation is stupid. 0w30 in winter and 5w30 in summer is the way to go. Maybe 10w30 if you are in extreme heat.
Always love the grammer Nazi's entering the chat.... www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=oil+galley#ip=1 Mechanics and home gamers have been using galley for decades and decades, deal with it.
I love your style i like watching engine teardowns but i dont like slow unedited long form video types. The way you edit is perfect for my overactive brain lol.
Speedkar99, did you record this video a while back? it's been COLD the past 3 days in the GTA! LOL Love the content as always. This subaru engine deserves a new life as a coffee table for sure
Interesting that they did port and direct injection on the boxer, when Subaru only does direct. Haven't had issues with mine yet, but then ai have been using the aerosol Sea Foam treatment to keep things under control.
@@Ukrainian_Matchstick Right, I know, but it's odd that Subaru didn't make THEIR own engine better as well. It's not like port injection is new technology or science. Seems like a simple enough add. Meh.
Honest question for the community. My GT86 broke down last week, most likely because the camshaft hat a defect. Im not a mechanic but I always tell me that I have good technical understanding. Because the motor is already fucked and I dont have the money to pay a mechanic to repair it, I thought about try to do it my self. Firstly, what do you think about this Idea. Secondly, is there anything like a blueprint or something like that where I can see how the motor is built? Thanks alot :D
@@speedkar99I don't think it's a fair assumption that the oil was run low here. These engines are notorious for starving the pickup under certain conditions, and pooling oil in the heads. You yourself pointed out that there wasn't any evidence of oil consumption, and remarked how clean the heads looked.
What happens if you overfill engine oil by a quart? Where does it go? If you don't start the car for too long, do the parts get too "dry" or damaged in first few seconds of starting before oils gets there? Thanks again, highly informative videos, love them.
If you overfill an engine itll go into the pan like normal, sometimes it isnt a big deal but of the oil gets to close to the crankshaft it can cause windage or frothing. If a car has sat for a while parts will generally still have a thin layer of oil on them that will provide enough protection for the couple seconds before oil pressure is reached
Don't overfill! The crank will dip into the oil with each revolution, causing frothing that will reduce the oil's ability to protect the engine from wear.
Do you live around Castle more Rd in Brampton? Judging from the plane noise characteristics they are on their downwind approach path approximately 5000ft in height and according to Pearson arrival flight path, your home should be at that area 😂
My 2015 WRX recently had a visit from Uncle Rodney.. It's in the shop currently getting a replacement long block installed. Sucks man. This is the first issue I've ever had with the VA WRX since owning it, outside of regular maintenance. I was that guy saying, "Rod knock won't happen to me. I take care of my shit and maintenance is on point, sucka!" Well, yeah.. it happened. To add to that, extended warranty expired.. so, repairs are out of pocket. ☠☠ Good times!! Anywho, just lookin forward to getting her back on the road again! Already miss driving it..
They don't _seem_ to blow headgaskets as quickly as the EJ, but the 0W-20 spec engines have oil consumption issues, they STILL eat catalytic converters, and most are yoked to a crappy CVT......
@@speedkar99 Ur boss for always replying to comments your used car inspection video I used to buy my first car and you basically gave me 2,000 dollars because of it. Ur sick happy holidays man
thanks. Just here to see how oil flows in the FA20s. do we know what oil was used in the engine (0w-20, 5w-20, 0w-30, 5w-30)? do we know if this car saw track/auto-x time? wear on the cam caps/cam bearing has me skeptical on the longevity of my FA20DIT in my WRX. My engine sees 5k mi oci and 5w-30 (usually non-resource conserving)...I don't track. I try to keep boost low until warm which is harder during OH winter.
Rather that a slightly bigger engine I believe it's pretty much the same except for the fact that the literally put way to much rtv on the oil pan which some of the rtv is breaking off and going into the oil pick up tube and starving the engine of oil.... so anyone buy the new 86/brz/frs make sure you check that oil pan
All the research I’ve looked at shows the RTV hasn’t caused any oil starvation. It does, however, get low oil pressure on high G right hand turns when on track.
@@Skillzpatchi RTV in the pickup mainly comes from the timing cover, not the oil pan. As long as excess rtv is not causing issues, which it really hasn't, no dealer or even Subaru/Toyota will clean the pickup for free. Its messy and even I don't like the excess rtv but that's how it is. Oil starvation on track causing engine failures on the other hand is a separate issue that has been mistakenly linked to excess rtv.
@@saad8029 well I seen couple video talking about the Excessive rtv use on the oil pan from factory which the main reason why the boxer engine like to die, I believe speed academy and I forget the other was talking about it
great info. Such a low mileage Subaru engine that died because of lack of oil. I'll stay with my 2012 Sonata with 212,000+ kms on the clock and keep using 5w20 full synthetic oil and a weekly check of oil level just by pulling the engine oil dip stick. It doesn't hurt me at all to spend less than 5 minutes of my time every Sunday morning just by doing the weekly fluid checks up.....
@@speedkar99 oh yeah, absolutely, I make sure to top-up the oil level to the max whenever I do all the fluid level check every week. Oil is cheaper compared to am engine repair/replacement.
These engine tear downs are the ultimate ASMR videos for gear heads.
Thanks, I enjoy them too
At 105k miles, my 1979 Subaru GL wagon’s water pump failed. That required lifting the engine as the cross member of the frame prevented removing the pump’s bolts. While the engine was lifted, I decided to disassemble to replace worn components. I was unable to split the case. So I took the block to a shop.
A little backstory is useful before I go on: I regularly changed the oil and filter at or before 3000 miles. So the engine had 35 oil changes and filters (105/3 plus the first change at 1000 miles).
The next day the shop owner called me up and asked how many miles the car had. I told him 105,000. He said “that can’t be.” I asked him “why?” He replied “because there is not enough wear on this engine!”
I try to change my cars oil regularly.
Good call
Oil is so important...my Tundra is nearly at 50 000 kms. I am on my 5th oil.change. I do one every 10 000 kms even tho 16 000 kms is recommended
OCD
I too regularly take my perfectly functioning engine out to be rebuilt, only to be told it doesn't need rebuilt!
@@stewiegriffin6503 ... not necessarily OCD. an extra oil change per year isn't huge. and the relatively cheap cost of the oil change is pennies compared to major engine parts failures. Going early on a oci isn't terrible as you keep newer/fresher oil in the engine. Going too early is wasting time and money. OCI in the owners manual are only recommendations and cannot account for every situation/environment. I change my oil at/close to 5k miles despite Subaru saying 6k miles. I still average an oil change every 5 months vs 6. Plus, going every 5k gives me some fudge room to account for time available.
This channel has taught me so much about automotive engineering. Big thank you for all the hard work you put in!
You are welcome. Winter is here and I will try to push through to get some more teardowns done.
BRZ and FRS are suffering from this not because they are poorly maintained, but because they are often tracked, and sideways loads in corners usually send all of the oil to one half of the engine, which can lead to pick up tube being exposed to air. Mostly in long right handers or heavy braking.
People solve this issue with baffles in oil pan and oil accumulators.
Yep. That was a thing even with the older EJ motors.
I love my subarus, but boy their engines are not performance worthy
@@Mattalaska their engines have advantages. Short crankshaft, good balance. Maintenance is actually quite easy, if you know what you are doing. They have their weak spots, but they don't manifest, if you are maintaining them. The horror stories come from people who bought an abused car, or who abused the car themselves. These don't tolerate abuse as well as Honda or Toyota engines.
Ok new failure due to excessive silicone sealant blocking pick up lol
That's not even engine specific I don't think, I'm pretty sure it's a problem for Subaru in general. I saw a guy on RUclips doing donuts in a WRX and the engine blew due to oil starvation just like these new rear powered sports cars they came out with recently. Sounds to me like the need to rethink their oil systems and pan designs at least on the sports models
Gosh, looks like the owner followed the dealer recommended 7,000 + miles interval between oil changes. Possible thought they could go that long before checking oil level too. As others have said, great channel Bro. We appreciate the work it takes for our education and entertainment.
Yeah always thought the 7500 oil change interval was insane, can't believe anyone actually follows that.
@@AlternateRye So I just looked it up and 7500 miles is 12,000 kilometres. What's insane about that? Every car I know has an interval of 15,000km if you're looking after the car because some manufacturers prescribe longlife oil every 30,000km. How often would you change the oil in this if 7500 miles is insane for you? Every other Tuesday?
@@michalsvihla1403because the additives in the oil dont last that long, and especially if your a little heavy footed.
TBH I don’t nearly drive enough in a year to get to those intervals, still an annual oil change is a must…
Love this channel. Always lovely to see what different engine's downfalls are. Thanks so much.
You are welcome
Your videos are a joy to watch! No time wasted. Lots of jokes.
Thanks!!
Amazing work. Great detail without the bull. As an FA20 owner I understand more how the oil moves around this new boxer engine. Thank you for your hard work.
FB25 teardown coming soon!
This guy has to be a engineer that has the previous job experience to back his quick whit.
Great video as always
Great vid, despite the lack of laundry!
The oil return on the pan looked interesting, and I could see that motor starving the pickup under load pretty easily especially with no baffling. Do that for a few laps and boom.
Not checking your oil levels is more likely the issue.
Spot on, probably track day or canyon racing
Yes! Combine with a lower oil level and this is what caused alot of earlier EJ motors to blow.
@@speedkar99true low oil and no baffling makes this engine capable of starving on oil in turns. I would maintain it full full
Yeah, it's both. All Subaru boxers are sensitive to low oil levels, but many BRZ/FRS get used for track days, or just hooning around. Unless you replace the oil pan with a baffled design, trouble will find you!
2:52 "someone's resealed this at some point, there's way too much RTV on here". Guys, nobody tell him.
Can you tell me? 👀
Google "brz rtv pick up" and you'll have enough reading material for the next year.
@@crybaby1363 It's from the factory. They are that bad. The RTV is so bad on the FA24 that it frequently clogs the oil pickup.
Ouch!
Very sad they did that from the factory.
I love the way you describe things in so much detail and are very knowledgeable about all the engines..
Thanks
Another great engine teardown. This will sound weird but I find these videos to be pretty relaxing and calming to watch - as well as interesting and educational. Hope you get to tear down a 5.7 or 6.4 hemi engine at some point!
Thanks - yes I wish I can get my hands on a Hemi but they want like $1500 for a blown one!
Loved this - great to see someone so knowledgeable at work. Awesome to see the inside of 'my' engine. (I'll keep checking and changing its oil!) Great work - thanks for creating, bro!
Always an enjoyable watch! It's hard to believe how many people spend tens of thousands on a car
and not maintain it. Just drive it til the engine stops.
You 100% ABSOLUTELY SHOULD make a coffee-table out of a Subaru Engine-block and POST a pic of it as I'd LOVE to see that!!! Am awaiting WINTER WEATHER so we can all SEE YOU FREEZE to death,taking these things apart!!! Lol. As Always,AWESOME Video Man!!! : >)
Thanks. And thanks for the encouragement. It's already freezing outside and I've got the next engine waiting out there for me to teardown.
Waiting for those "warm" days when it's a few degrees above 0 and no wind to film teardowns.
Haha,I hear ya My Friend!!! Stay Warm!!! : >)@@speedkar99
Fascinating. I have a GT86 and want it to last. Oil, you say. Understood. Love the snappy editing 👏🏼
Glad you like my video style
From the racing guys, that bent oil pickup tube creates cavitation at high rpm and will fail even a properly oil filled engine. Aftermarket makes a straight tube pickup
I wanted to learn about the FA 20, and we learned a lot. I'll prob watch this video 1000 times, thanks man.
As much as the FA20 gets shit on especially for being "torqueless", still love the motor. I had 2 FRS from new for over 10 years, still possibly my favorite car.
A car isn't just it's engine. It's about the entire conjunction of parts that work to create the experience.
@@speedkar99 of course, but the engine is akin to the heart so it contributes to much of the car's personality.
Did the fa20 get upgraded over the years for the brz/frs? Like minor model year changes. Slight improvements but not documented by Toyota or Subaru officially?
@@Unknownmanufacturer definitely, there were minor updates from launch MY 2013 to 2016 and then new ecu + engine updates for 2017+ when the twins got a facelift. I don't think there were many changes, if any, made after that until engine changed to fa24 for 2nd gen. Ft86club forums have documented everything if you want to learn more ^^
@@Unknownmanufacturervery minor changes. Wiring harness, ignition coils, sensors, slightly different part configurations between the Kouki and Zenki especially but nothing extremely significant.
Brilliant video and commentary. Great production. Thank You
Glad you enjoyed it!
I've had the turbo variant of this engine for 5 years, 60k miles with no problems. OEM Oil/filter change 3--5k, spark plug changed recently, no tunes/tracking throughout the whole time. However, I did get one check engine light. Code P1449, due to Japanese spider webs in the EVAP system.
Nice. 60K miles is t much though.
Not much at all. Btw I watched your EVAP video from 4 years ago and it helped me understand more. Thank you
Please find a FA24D next :). Really enjoyed your videos
Sure
Man, listening to you always cracks me up.
What about me? Lol
@@speedkar99 Lost count of how many times I've heard the toothbrush and cloth jokes and maybe it's just me but they still provoke a chuckle.
You are amazing, I enjoy your expertise and humor!
Glad you like it
You are some type of mechanical professor.
Love this channel
2:59 Rod knock at 114'000klm !? 😮 How to prevent this ? What oil will you choose for the FA20 ? I have fear now that I know it's happening at sunch low KLM... Is it really low on oil and with hard cornering/High revving the engine starve oil or something like that ?
Yes. Alot of 2012/3 models suffered from these failures.
Oil gallery, not galley. I only learned last week. Great video!
Cool, thanks!
thanks for the super informative and concise video! bought a '14 brz with 22,000 miles on it back in february, definitely will be referring to this down the road!
Yep, keep it well oiled and watch out when you take it to the track.
I see no screen on the oil pickup in the oil pan.
I have one of these in a 2015 car with 71,000 miles. No oil useage other than 8 oz. or so, in 7500 mile oil changes.
It does seem to eat coolant and no one in forums seems to have an answer.
Cracked block or head gasket leak. Or leaking coolant hose somewhere.
I LOVED this video! I have a '24 OB Wilderness which has the FA24DIT. If/when you ever get one of those engines to tear into, I would love to see it. Maybe even be on site with you (on- or off- camera, your choice) to see the internals. Thanks for making this.
I have a Forester FB engine waiting here to be torn down
Great video! I have very little knowledge of boxer engines, and I just bought a 2016 BRZ, so this was a great learning experience!
This video was awesome, thank you for sharing it! So interesting to see how this stuff is put together.
I did my first set of spark plugs and my first valve cover gasket on a 2004 wrx. Honestly, it wasn't that bad the only issue was I couldn't get a torque wrench in there so I had to do it by feel. After you do it one time you basically know what to expect with every subaru motor ever.
Been waiting for this! Thank you!
You are welcome
Woo hoo another teardown video. Its like finding an original columbo episode you've never seen before...
Thanks. I have a few more to come!!
Is this one of those Subaru engine where they loose oil pressure going around corners. Maybe someone had too much fun around the track? The oil pan seem pretty bang up. Nice breakdown!
That would be the new FA24 non-turbo in the new BRZ, that was only pushing the engine hard on the track, daily driving should not have that problem. Running a heavier oil for the track is ideal to prevent that too.
@@amdstrollo3074 , thanks. Not a worry if you only go straight. :-)
To clarify these fa20s also lose oil pressure around cornering but not as much, see below:
ruclips.net/video/4Jk5WTWoqt4/видео.htmlsi=3a7NtZ7wyeogveL8
Yes, they do. Not as bad as the new 2.4L ones, but they don't have an adequate oiling system for hard track use.
@@amdstrollo3074 The heavier oil does nothing. It's been tested. Accusump is the only thing that helped so far.
The thing I notice about rubber sealed surfaces is they deform over time and create micro gaps for whatever reason. Buy any old el cheapo valve cover gasket but apply rtv to both mating surfaces and use the gasket as a mold. RTV seams to conform to these imperfections.
That’s what I always do on any of my cars. The added RTV sealant costs SFA and might save you from having to pull it all apart again in a few years time when the rubber gasket lets go.
So you put rtv on top of the gasketed areas?
@@speedkar99 the shop I worked on and off always put a thin film of rtv on the valve cover gasket housing areas and put the gasket in-between and never had a problem. A mared or compromised surface can't be helped by a premium expensive gasket as the micro gaps would leak way sooner but with the help of rtv those cracks/gaps get filled. Another thing it was the 24 hr cure cheaper RTV but the customer was able to drive away within an hour with no issues with the help of a gasket core + RTV.
I enjoyed the subtle pull out joke. Thank you for detailed video as well.
🤣🤣 you caught that
If you can find one, please compare the old boxer engines from the likes of Alfa Romeo (Sud, Sprint) with the more modern (Subaru) boxers. I used to own an old Alfasud and those engines were amazing (the sound in particular). I'd like to get a technical breakdown of those engines to see how design has improved (or otherwise) since the 80s.
Very interesting engineering. Uncompromised symmetric drive with endless challenges to keep up the essentials. Brave move from the 2 makers.
The engine has uncompromised symetric all wheel drive?
They should just do an inline motor and lay it over - IMO!
The packaging would be detrimental to the layout.
@@yo_marc That's called a slant style. Commonly slant 4 or slant 6.
Great vid - I can already tell Subaru puts plenty of efforts designing their engine unlike the Detroit 3s
this should've been made super clear, it wasn't Subaru... it was the operator that failed. standard though and then they put the blame on Subaru and make them look bad. All good for the ones with knowledge, makes the cars cheaper for us lol.
Effort maybe… but the outcome is still questionable. Seen as number of FA/FBs blown up. Not Kia bad but not great.
It's a flawed design. Your wallet will not be happy when it's time for repairs.
Yep. They sure are unique. Mazda is also a bit different with the whole skyactiv setup too
@@speedkar99 you have any videos breaking down skyactiv tech? ive heard that its basically an ICE with incredibly high compression to burn everything in that chamber - sounds cool
Thank you so much for this video. If you can turn one of those into a coffee table, please do! I'm about to take out my FA20 engine and I think it would be pretty awesome to keep some place other than the garage.
It would be great but my baby daughter is gonna be all over it. Had to sell my EJ25 engine table because she started climbing it.
@@speedkar99 😟😮💨 Kids are the worst. 🤣
Just jokin'. I can imagine all those metal edges wouldn't be the best for the little one.
Good shit son. Proud of you.
Loving the Subaru content!!
Thanks. More to come, including symmetrical AWDband H6 engine
I had this engine in my 2013 Impreza Sport. That thing used more than a quart every 1,000 miles. Dealer refused to warranty it and said that was an acceptable level of consumption. Normal modern cars don’t consume oil like that when they’re young. I don’t blame the owner for running this thing low.
Oil consumption is getting ridiculous, like fuck even toyotas have ring problems now. I don't get it. Why squeeze 1 extra mpg out of it just to compromise engine health before it even reaches 200k?! 400k mile chevies burning a quart every 4000 miles but we have new 4 cyl cars of all makes and models burning double that from the factory
@@tacomas9602 I agree. The extra gas mileage is vastly overridden by the price of the oil consumed. And they have the gall to put “partial zero emission vehicle” on a car that’s not a hybrid and consumes a quart of oil out the tailpipe every 800 miles. Like, did you check the emissions while it was burning that oil?
Agreed, it's all in the name of emissions.
Nitpicking, but the engine in your 2013 Impreza isn't a FA20, it's an FB20 :)
I have the FB20D in my Crosstrek, the only time it ate oil was when I was doing long stretches (2+ hours) on the highway in freezing temps with 0-20. I'm running 5-30 now in the desert and don't lose a measurable (by the eye) amount between 5000 mile services.
I've heard early FB20s had issues with oil consumption, a heavier weight might save you some trouble, otherwise you could have oil blasting through your pcv valve.
love your show as always!
Okay…. So…. If you look at the oil feed ports in the front of the block and timing cover……. The one under the oil filter goes to the driver side head, the one in the lower center goes from the pump to the filter, the upper center to the mains, and the passenger side to the passenger head. The junctions between the timing cover and those ports are sealed with o rings. What do you see hanging off of the sides of the ports and tc? Sealant…… it breaks off into the passages and clogs the OIL GALLERIES…… not the pickup tube. (Separate issue) Thats what causes the majority of J02 failures. Any decent mechanic knows you don’t use sealant and o rings unless it’s explicitly stated in bold, red, and all caps.
Yes
Always enjoy your channel thanks.
Me too. Thanks
“ take a look at all the connecting rod bearing material inside of there “ 9:03 at me laughing
😂
never pulled out
Nope. Seems like Alot of people have that problem.
You guys are going to hell. 😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅
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Behave
Actually after watching again, quick question: the oil temps in these cars tend to run pretty high stock and when just cruising around, how can you rule out that it was a lack oil and not just overheating the oil and causing the oil pressure to drop? Or would they technically be the same thing in this case?
Add in the fact they recommend 0w-20....
That can be an issue yes. Oil doesn't boil off like coolant would though
@@CTR_Dan yea I been sticking with 0w-20 on mine
@@CTR_Dananyone who follows the 0w20 recommendation is stupid.
0w30 in winter and 5w30 in summer is the way to go. Maybe 10w30 if you are in extreme heat.
@@whiteunclerukususe 5w30
I really like these videos very informative
You are welcome
Great disassembly as usual. BTW it's "oil gallery" not "oil galley" galley is part of a ship.
That's where they fry the fish & chips, not the rod bearings
I keep making that mistake.
Always love the grammer Nazi's entering the chat....
www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=oil+galley#ip=1
Mechanics and home gamers have been using galley for decades and decades, deal with it.
@@speedkar99Nobody is perfect, brother.
You are very good on what you doing congratulations is a pleasure to watch and listen your explanation.
Love your vids man. Also love that you always use your brother's toothbrush!
Haha
Thanks
I love your style i like watching engine teardowns but i dont like slow unedited long form video types. The way you edit is perfect for my overactive brain lol.
awesome vid all around!! keep it up
Speedkar99, did you record this video a while back? it's been COLD the past 3 days in the GTA! LOL
Love the content as always. This subaru engine deserves a new life as a coffee table for sure
"Couldn't pull out a dipstick". Gotta check the oil often, especially on Subie boxer engines.
Interesting that they did port and direct injection on the boxer, when Subaru only does direct. Haven't had issues with mine yet, but then ai have been using the aerosol Sea Foam treatment to keep things under control.
It's cooperation with Toyota
@@Ukrainian_Matchstick Right, I know, but it's odd that Subaru didn't make THEIR own engine better as well. It's not like port injection is new technology or science. Seems like a simple enough add. Meh.
I agree....they should have licensed d4s for use on it's other cars
Whoah……did I see a shiny NON impact socket on that impact wrench?!?!
That's an impact driver. Weak sauce.
The dip stick joke was great!!!
Can you do a Subaru TR580 CVT teardown and see the failure points. Thanks!
great informative video. love ur humor too
Thanks
Thank you for sharing, always wondered how Subaru are really good or not. Thanks, lots of infos here to earn.
You are welcome.
They're good cars but the maintenance isn't as resilient as a typical Honda K-series
Unfortunately the DIT does not get both injection methods
Thank you for sharing, appreciate it.
not only is that my engine , that's my toothbrush
Hi!
I felt that crank shaft dropping on your leg
Loved this video
Can the D4S be retrofitted to other FA motors?
Honest question for the community. My GT86 broke down last week, most likely because the camshaft hat a defect. Im not a mechanic but I always tell me that I have good technical understanding. Because the motor is already fucked and I dont have the money to pay a mechanic to repair it, I thought about try to do it my self.
Firstly, what do you think about this Idea. Secondly, is there anything like a blueprint or something like that where I can see how the motor is built?
Thanks alot :D
Post the pic of the table. I want to get one from scrapyard and do it myself. Just need to talk by better 3/4 into this
Sure. If I get the chance. It's now winter here
I am driving a boosted FA24 engine. It has really good acceleration and is very smooth.
Really clean. So the oil was changed frequently enough and still failed. Bummer.
Yes...too bad it wasn't checked
@@speedkar99I don't think it's a fair assumption that the oil was run low here. These engines are notorious for starving the pickup under certain conditions, and pooling oil in the heads. You yourself pointed out that there wasn't any evidence of oil consumption, and remarked how clean the heads looked.
Nice work about dissembling Engine
Thanks
What happens if you overfill engine oil by a quart? Where does it go?
If you don't start the car for too long, do the parts get too "dry" or damaged in first few seconds of starting before oils gets there?
Thanks again, highly informative videos, love them.
If you overfill an engine itll go into the pan like normal, sometimes it isnt a big deal but of the oil gets to close to the crankshaft it can cause windage or frothing. If a car has sat for a while parts will generally still have a thin layer of oil on them that will provide enough protection for the couple seconds before oil pressure is reached
Don't overfill! The crank will dip into the oil with each revolution, causing frothing that will reduce the oil's ability to protect the engine from wear.
Love hearing the cicadas!
Ive been trying to buy the toothbrush for a while now but none of the auto parts store i visited sells it.
Didn't they have oil use issues in this period due to low tension rings ? Early FA 20's
2:59 114,000 kms on the engine and it failed??
Do you live around Castle more Rd in Brampton? Judging from the plane noise characteristics they are on their downwind approach path approximately 5000ft in height and according to Pearson arrival flight path, your home should be at that area 😂
I live much closer than that! About 2km from the nearest runway.
Love your vids! I am confused though, why do I hear cicadas in November?
This wasn't filmed in November. Probably back in summer.
@speedkar99 oh that makes sense, somehow didnt connect the dots there 😅
My 2015 WRX recently had a visit from Uncle Rodney.. It's in the shop currently getting a replacement long block installed. Sucks man. This is the first issue I've ever had with the VA WRX since owning it, outside of regular maintenance. I was that guy saying, "Rod knock won't happen to me. I take care of my shit and maintenance is on point, sucka!" Well, yeah.. it happened.
To add to that, extended warranty expired.. so, repairs are out of pocket. ☠☠ Good times!! Anywho, just lookin forward to getting her back on the road again! Already miss driving it..
The leaves on the engine are getting me Scotty vibes 😂😂
It's better than being in the V-bank of a V6/V8
Please make a coffee table like that!
Sure. If I get the chance!
It's not baby proof though and I have a little one
Number 1, Thank you friend
You are welcome friend.
They don't _seem_ to blow headgaskets as quickly as the EJ, but the 0W-20 spec engines have oil consumption issues, they STILL eat catalytic converters, and most are yoked to a crappy CVT......
Is it the oil making the crankshaft look a bit blue or was that due to it oxidizing due to heat
Hello, can you tell me where the VVT
filter is installed on 2013 2.0?
Just surprised that, The FA20 doesn't have as much complicated design crap..
Just a simple v4 engine . Quiet interesting to know-*
This isn't a "v4" This is a boxer engine. It's a flat four engine.
@@PhyuckYew oh thanks man
Honestly it's not that complex.
Notification Squad!🔥🔥🔥
Awesome thanks
Great video
Thanks
I wonder why the port injection was removed for the FA20 DIT? 🤨
Wasn’t Toyota share
D4S was a Toyota thing
@@speedkar99 Ur boss for always replying to comments your used car inspection video I used to buy my first car and you basically gave me 2,000 dollars because of it. Ur sick happy holidays man
thanks. Just here to see how oil flows in the FA20s. do we know what oil was used in the engine (0w-20, 5w-20, 0w-30, 5w-30)? do we know if this car saw track/auto-x time? wear on the cam caps/cam bearing has me skeptical on the longevity of my FA20DIT in my WRX. My engine sees 5k mi oci and 5w-30 (usually non-resource conserving)...I don't track. I try to keep boost low until warm which is harder during OH winter.
TURBO CHARGERS! I bought a 2012 impreza 2.0sport naturally aspirated. These engines ain't biult like my 92 cummins.
Curious what changes they made for the FA24?
Me too. I'm sure they've bored out the block
Rather that a slightly bigger engine I believe it's pretty much the same except for the fact that the literally put way to much rtv on the oil pan which some of the rtv is breaking off and going into the oil pick up tube and starving the engine of oil.... so anyone buy the new 86/brz/frs make sure you check that oil pan
All the research I’ve looked at shows the RTV hasn’t caused any oil starvation. It does, however, get low oil pressure on high G right hand turns when on track.
@@Skillzpatchi RTV in the pickup mainly comes from the timing cover, not the oil pan. As long as excess rtv is not causing issues, which it really hasn't, no dealer or even Subaru/Toyota will clean the pickup for free. Its messy and even I don't like the excess rtv but that's how it is. Oil starvation on track causing engine failures on the other hand is a separate issue that has been mistakenly linked to excess rtv.
@@saad8029 well I seen couple video talking about the Excessive rtv use on the oil pan from factory which the main reason why the boxer engine like to die, I believe speed academy and I forget the other was talking about it
Love thev6 cylinder.
Who thought 9 feet of timing chain was a good idea?
The chain making company
great info. Such a low mileage Subaru engine that died because of lack of oil. I'll stay with my 2012 Sonata with 212,000+ kms on the clock and keep using 5w20 full synthetic oil and a weekly check of oil level just by pulling the engine oil dip stick. It doesn't hurt me at all to spend less than 5 minutes of my time every Sunday morning just by doing the weekly fluid checks up.....
Unfortunately 2012 Sonata is also a ticking time bomb...please keep on checking that oil at every fuel fill-up
@@speedkar99 oh yeah, absolutely, I make sure to top-up the oil level to the max whenever I do all the fluid level check every week. Oil is cheaper compared to am engine repair/replacement.