Zwei wunderschöne Flugzeuge, die, die Weltgeschichte beeinflusst haben, herrlich sie zusammen fliegen zu Sehen, und nicht gegeneinander. Schade das es vor 80 Jahren nicht so war.
I have a hard time believing the p-51 looked all nice and shiny like that in 1944. I’ve seen ww2 pics of the he mustang. Most of them didn’t look all shiny with a flawless teardrop canopy.
It's amazing that these 80 year old planes look and run so well. In their design processes, I'm sure that no thought was put into "looking good", they were designed for pure functionality. Funny how something honed to ultimate performance inevitably can look beautiful.
" When i saw your bombers protected by your long range fighters, i knew then that the Luftwaffe would be unable to stop your bombers. Our weapons plants would be destroyed, our defeat was inevitable." Herman Goring to U.S.Gen. Carl " Tooey " Spatz, during interrogation.
@@maxsuarezmuller7186 Except the US was 40 miles from Berlin at the same time the Russians were 30-35 miles from Berlin! General Eisenhower being sentimental, decide to forgo the attack of Berlin! Initially General Eisenhower was going start with an Airborne Assault before the Armor and infantry initiated their attack! He decided to leave Berlin to the Russian because of 2 reasons. 1st Reason: General Eisenhower sympathized with Russian soldiers and civilians suffering when Leningrad, Stalingrad and Moscow was under siege and surrounded by the German (payback). He emphasized with the many Russian sacrifices and death in their defense! He also felt that the Russians should be the first ones to capture the city of Berlin! 2nd Reason: General Eisenhower understood the calculation and the possibility of many Allie forces casualties especially the surmountable death on Military both side and countless Civilian death! He also needed the soldiers fresh and ready for possible invasion of Japan! US and UK did bomb Berlin!!!
Spicy Booger he isn’t. German conscripts or pilots were never nazi. Neither the builders, only the SS. Whatever you say, the 109 is one of the best planes.
The 109 looks like shark ....deadly ....fast...powerful. The P-51 looks fast just tilting there ....sleek ... ...beautiful. I’ve been to many air shows but never any German WW2 fighters up close. Both planes look brand new I hope I look half as good 70+ years old!
I saw a ME262 in a barn about 40 years ago in Greencastle, Indiana. They also still have a V1 buzz bomb in their town square. I never did find out how they got there but I'm guessing some bigwig officer made it happen
It’s great to see these warbirds, once hostile enemies fighting against each other, now flying alongside together in the friendly skies to the delight of aircraft and aviation history enthusiasts. Salute to all those dedicated people who restored, flew and maintained these historic treasures for us to enjoy today. 👍
Gave me new appreciation of the 109's. Knew they were awesome. Embrace them. But it is the P-51 "D" that still holds my fascination. For several decades a veteran pilot, living a couple miles south of me, owned one and flew it from a private airfield to our north. He'd fly the Invasion Day bar marked shiny Mustang south to go over his own neighborhood. Meant I could hear him coming and stop everything I was doing. Hear the Doppler tone rise as he neared, see him, watch him bank over his neighborhood, sometimes exiting directly over me, sunlight glistening off the skin, the Doppler effect now receding, the love of that P-51 D reinforced once again. P.S. My fraternal uncle spent the war in Texas. At age 13, well before WWII, had gotten his private pilot's license. With his headstart, he spent the war teaching pilots, the last years teaching combat pilots to fly P-51's! My legacy. My favorite aircraft ever.
Call me crazy, but my favs are P-51B's in olive drab, Bf-109G5's in a sort of purple camo, and any FW-190 flying with JG54, especially in the spring. Nowatney! 8-)
@@ghostarashide227 Bf109 did NOT have a turbocharger. they are exhaust driven, it had a mechanical super charger. the only 2 fighters of WW II that had TURBOchargers feeding the supercharger, a 2 stage unit were the American P38 and the P47...B17 and B24 bombers had a similar system.......get your terminology straight !!!!
@@jaylicious260 The only survivor pilot of WW2 who flyght Bf-109 G ,and shoot down soviet,USSAF and Luftwaffe fighter planes,is a romanian one,G-ral (retired ) Ioan Dobran,102 years ! Still lives !
Both are beautiful birds, but I have to say I am impartial to the BF-109. There's just something about the way it sounds and looks. What I would give to be up in one of those beauts.
Are those authentic 109s? Just curious as the countries that lose wars tend to have most of their inventory destroyed. Here in the states, I've only seen a real Heinkel bomber (don't remember which variant) and a 2/3 scale replica Stuka. This year at WWII Weekend in Reading, Pennsylvania, I saw my first real Japanese Zero. Well, real body, but newer engine. Still pretty close.
The wide undercarriage of the P51 made it more suitable for use in just about any kind of terrain. It could literally land in a farmers field, be resupplied and take off again to continue the fight. An impressive display of a fighter design that proved itself many many times over. Not to mention how good looking it is too of course.
P-51 looks like a pregnant seal with wings from many angles, but still beautiful. Bf 109 looks like it had to fight in a long war and score thousands of kills till the bitter end.
Its incredible that there was over 30,000 109's built yet there are so few left. You'd think there should be 500 left flying around. Of course there was that whole war thing...........
@Солнцевская Братва True, that could be the case if it was a low altitude 1 v 1 fight. But remember, the P-51 mainly escorted bombers during the war and its engine provided the needed altitude performance and manifold pressure to keep that going, as well its high octane fuel; something the Bf 109 lacked.
There was one glaring difference between the P51 Mustang and the Bf 109. It was this. By the time the yanks, with the benefit of years of training and unlimited resources, showed up (1944) in the P51, the Creme de la Creme of the Luftwaffe were gone, either killed by the RAF or the RED ARMY. The yanks went up against young men who were undertrained due to lack of fuel etc. The two aircraft were roughly equal, the aircrew were not.
Stewart Nicol There were "Yanks" slugging it out with the "Creme de la Creme" Luftwaffe pilots and were a part of eliminating them before the P51 and it's pilots showed up, the 56th fighter group with their P47's shure as hell shot their share of hot shot Luftwaffe aces out of the sky, it wasn't just the RAF and the RED ARMY that did it alone, maybe you should go to the graveyard at Cambridge and read some of the tombstones, look at the fighter groups and dates carved in them for the proof. With the exception of a few rarely fielded versions of the BF109 it was no match for the P51, the P51 could out climb the BF109 all week long and twice on Sunday, if you have equal amounts of fuel in each plane the P51 easily out climbs the BF109, the only reason that the BF109 has the climbing rate it does is for the same reason that the Spitfire does, the designers sacrificed fuel capacity and range for rate of climb, the P51 had an aft fuel tank that the BF109 and the Spit didn't, the engine of the P51 drew it's fuel from this tank for take off and climbing to altitude, after draining it they switched to their external stores and drew fuel from them for the long flight to where the Luftwaffe would come up to engage the bombers, then they'd jettison their drop tanks and in this configuration, which is the one they'd be in when they typically engaged the BF109's and they were at the altitudes that the engagements typically happened at, they could out perform them in every way. Everyone thinks the BF109 could out climb the P51 but that's because everyone always looks at their rate of climb from sea level with the P51's aft tank filled, the NACA reports show that when they're in the configurations that they typically met each other in combat the P51 out performs it all around. As far as exotic late war BF109's they weren't anything the P47's and the later upgraded Spits running the American 150 octane fuel couldn't take of. P47M's could close the gap on and destroy ME262's that were at full throttle and running away in level flight, there's several documented accounts of that happening. It wasn't green Luftwaffe pilots that were flying most of the jets and upgraded BF109's at the end of the war, it was mostly the last of their experienced pilots.
@@dukecraig2402 Small detail: Literally thousands of well rested US-Pilots in well maintained high performance planes against a handful of exhausted german pilots in planes made with very limited resources and sub-par fuel. It is good that the americans rarely ever had to face equal opponents in terms of equipment or numbers. Or it would be many more Kasserine Pass battles or Schweinfurt raids. The US were best at logistics due to their untouched production sites, unlimited raw material and manpower in their industry. They were a crucial supplier but you got to hand it to the british that really fought with their backs against the wall facing a fully functional and well prepared Luftwaffe. Politically the US always made the right choices, joining in when everybody else was totally exhausted and then claiming the win with minimal losses relatively speaking.
Exactly, pilot quality was not there for Germany when the primadonna 51 came along.Frightened kids with no combat training against seasoned allied pilots made the last year and a half a slaughter Galland tried in vain to stop.
Erich Hartmann( 352 shoots), even though on the eastern front, shot down 7 Mustangs. But unlikely not ever Luftwaffe Pilot was a Erich Hartmann..Most of them was at the end neebies and had not really a chance. Also the numbers were 1:15..
Don't know for sure,but some sources claiming,that many of those "kills" come from aicrafts destroyed on the ground-mainly on eastern front...On the the other way it would be interesting to see,how many "kills" would get ie. Francis Gabreski,if he was in same use like Luftwaffe aces...in terms of number of flights per day and constant service.
@@gnomechild3248 yes ethnicity matters, it's because an American couldn't come with a better design idea, that's what is burning you. And who said anything about engine design? Even the engine was borrowed from Britain, later was under licensed products . But the Germans did all by their own. With methanol water injection, the dB 605 reached at 711kmph, nearly cathched the mustang. And everyone knows about these two planes performance comparison. Mustangs had laminar wings and sleek design, therefore more maneuverable and faster for being more aerodynamic.
@@anindanath2420 "yes ethnicity matters, it's because an American couldn't come with a better design idea" What?? American isn't an ethnicity lmao. P-51 is not more maneuverable then the BF-109. Who cares about BF-109K when America had developed the P-51h which used the same water-methanol injection, need i tell you water-methanol injection is a British invention, so I've no idea why you'd use it in this argument.
Hoa Tattis g-10 and g-14 were also good contenders, but they usually using gunpods to hunt bombers, but that increased a lot the weight and reduced the plane’s performance. The K version was probably even better than the mustang
The 51 looks like a racing plane ie to win races. The 109 looks like a war machine. A plane designed to kill other planes. Hard to believe it was kicking ass in Spain, well before the BOB/WW2.
That's exactly what I thought, though not necessarily a sports plane. The P-51 looks more elegant and clean, while the 109 looks mean and ready for war. If I saw both planes coming at me while on the ground, I'd be more scared of the 109.
We must remember that both aircraft were created at different times during the conflict of WWII, and pre war conflicts. That being said, the pilot has much to do with hunter vs the hunted. Both aircraft are flying artworks, but my heart will always favor the Bf-109 family. This is just my preference! Danke!
@@emersoncaicedo3146 the level of training varied greatly between the two countries, one was on the decline the other on the rise. The Experten continually grew their "kills", while the "green horns were lucky to survive the first encounters with the P-51. In the hands of such pilots as Hartmann, Bakhorn, and others, the Bf-109 was still considered a deadly foe, hence the comparison of hunter vs hunted. Salutations.
@@bluefox9436 I never said it wasn't. The k4 was too late in the war to make a difference. That being said, the k4 did fight against the p51d and it was superior to the p51d. The bf 109 in this video is a g series, and generally speaking the p51d is superior than the bf 109g6, which is the one in the video think.
Of course the P51 with the Rolls Royce Marlin engine was a better fighter, mainly that it didn't come into production thill later in the war, whereas the 109 was mid 30's design. It certainly was a great fighter
eap3174WRONG !!!! The Mustang first flew in 1940 and they NEVER used a RR built engine !!! ALL Merlin engines used in Merlin Mustangs were Made and MODIFIED In America by PACKARD Motors !!!!! Packard made 55,525 merlins with 37,137 for the Brits 18,000 for the USAAF 15,000 for the Mustangs the V1650/3 & 7 & 9 were not used in any other plane !!! Facts of history....if you do the research !!!
The first Mustangs had an Allison engine, then they switched to Merlin engine which was designed and built by Rolls Royce, but the Merlin engines were built under license by Packard, now you also got to remember that the war started in September 1939 but America didn't start till December 8 1941. @@wilburfinnigan2142
Both beautiful, but the P-51D was just too pretty. I get the appeal. It was sleek and modern and those RR Merlin engines sounded so smooth. But I have always loved the rugged good looks of a 109 above all other fighters. Those DB 605 sounded great as well. I have give a nod to the 190A-8 with the BMW 801 radials. Those engines sound downright terrifying! That deep radical dragster popping. *shudder*
Packard motor. Not a single Rolls motor seen combat in a Mustang. It was an American improved and licensed built Rolls. Ford had to teach Rolls how to make the motor much earlier too in England and even set up a factory to show Rolls.
benjaminrapp Sorry old bean but NOT one RR Built merlin was used in a production P51 Merlin Mustang, ALL were made in and modified in AMERICA by PACKARD. and RR signed off on the changes for mass production. The V1650-3 & 7 & 9 &11 were very different from the RR versions and ONLY used in the Merlin Mustangs !!! Do the research and find out what was done !!!
These 2 warbirds were hot in their day. Due to constant training and technology in the U.S., the USAAF had a better advantage over the well used and well worn German pilots who flew every mission unti lthey were either killed or taken prisoner. These 2 great planes were the pride of the their nations and in the hands of a seasoned pilot, both were quite formidable. These airshow videos surely bring back the sights, sounds and surrealness of their day. Back then a man had to fly his airplane, navigate, fight, conduct self defense maneuvering , then fly home. There was no woke agenda back then. A man knew he was a man and what was between his legs. And that was usually a high performance fighter plane used to fight his enemy. There was no gender confusion therapy back then. When one hears the growl of a V-12, it surely does something to the soul and reminds us of a time when men flew with a mission sense to defend their countries and to be courageous. You all havea blest day and remember who paid the price for your freedoms, liberties and national sovereignty. God bless all you aviation history lovers. Keep 'em flyin'!
Both are great aircraft in their own right. However, I must say this.My dad being German, and me being American, I appreciate German technology. That being said, the Messerschmitt came first, It's easy to make a better whatever it is you're making when you know what you have to beat!
There's no match. P 51D with Rolls Royce engine is the best pistons airplane of WW2. Bf 109 was the best at high altitude, Spitfire was the best at low altitude, P 51D was the best everywere.
Tolles video!!! Both amazing planes and inventions at their time, 109 one the first to rule the sky, and the p-51, being a newly designed plane, also had its glory days in the war.
@@jamesbottger5894 in the air it looks fantastic there is a low fly by vid which is worth a look of this Aircraft the sound of the engine alone is a stand out
@@jamesbottger5894 ps , it is always a matter of taste , but for me personally the 109 wins on looks as i stated at the top on a war footing no hesitation at all i'd pick the p51 over everything else from that era with the exception of the FW 190
I don’t know about you, but I find it freaking cool that two planes from the same war, different countries, both enemies to each other are now flying together (again) 70+ years later! Hard to believe these planes are almost 100 and the P-51’s style will never die
People seem to forget that USAAAF did not want the p51D. It really was designed to meet RAF requirements and was purchased in such large numbers that the USAAAF could not get them, making do with spitfires for some time. So while it was American designed, the engine and specifications were British. Compared to the Spitfire (1st generation monoplane fighter) it was at least a 2nd generation design (possible 3rd).
I am in love with the P-51d....it's my favorite airplane of all time...the stylized lines...the sound of the Merlin engine...the murderyness of it 6 guns....oh sure some would say Hellcats and Corsairs are better...but I'm not one of them *EDIT* Thanks for not ruining the moment with some awful music...the sound of those planes was music enough
One advantage the ME 109 had was that the MG could shoot through the propeller. The Mustang outside from the wing, but both war machines that were once designed for combat. There I am rather with a Pilatus PC-21 Greetings from Germany.
I never thought either compared to the Spitfire but simply between the two: 109 is more manuverable, has better armament, can claim that it saw service through the entire war and still managed to be somewhat competitive P51 has the range, is easier on the pilot (wider landing gear, better canopy, etc), better looking, and more iconic to non-airplane enthusiasts
Depends where you are. The design of the 109 was over 7 years old when the mustang came to the troops. It was a time where the optimal solution wasn't so apparent. So, the 109 and british types were pioneering in this field. The mustang had the advantage that lots of experience from actual modern aerial combat went into its design. To me it is always a miracle how the the engineers at messerschmitt and FW could build competitive machines with so many limitations in available materials, relying on way lower octane fuels, weaker logistics to support all the operations.
FYI, The 109 all the way up to the K4 was a horse apiece with the spitfire. The K4 was faster and had a higher ceiling than any allied aircraft in WW2.
ich hab keine ahnung was die leute an der mustang schön finden.... es ist ein gutes flugzeug (außer frage) aber es sieht aus wie ein aufgeblasener gubby ....
@Roy Lewis Hamilton could race you on the track with a 100 HP delivery van while you sit in a 500hp sports car and still get better times than you. Funny how a delivery van can beat a sports car.
@Roy yes, and I am happy that the US rarely had to face any enemy at his best. Its a good policy to join the fight after others almost finished the adversary. Best allied Air force goes to Britain, best allied ground forces good to the soviets, best special forces Britain again. Best truck drivers : USA, the best in logistics, that's for sure.
The BF109 looks like a cigar that someone took and stuck wings, canopy, and a tail on and said it will fly. The P51 looks like engineers with artistic backgrounds spent years figuring out the design, angles and shapes!
Thank you for not talking or putting music over the beautiful sounds of the V12's. All the music I need.
Thanks watching and your comment
Yes, thank you, sincerely, for letting us here those amazing motors.. . .
music!
I knew a guy who owned a P-51, he was a surgeon, and before he would land he would always do a low pass. The sound of that engine gives me goosebumps.
Here! Here!!!!
My sentiments exactly.
Zwei wunderschöne Flugzeuge, die, die Weltgeschichte beeinflusst haben, herrlich sie zusammen fliegen zu Sehen, und nicht gegeneinander. Schade das es vor 80 Jahren nicht so war.
What beautiful aircraft both of these are! I appreciate each one and we all should value this bit of history.
P-51s first saw service in Tunisia and Sicily in April and July of 1943. It didn't see combat in Pacific until 1944 in China and Iwo Jima.
I have a hard time believing the p-51 looked all nice and shiny like that in 1944. I’ve seen ww2 pics of the he mustang. Most of them didn’t look all shiny with a flawless teardrop canopy.
That Mustang sounds smooth.
Both the Bf-109 and P-51 were flying works of art.
Thx
@@Warbirds no problem anytime
...YES THEY WERE BRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jack Tangles no the spitfire was worse, it’s not better just because it’s made by England
@Jack Tangles In terms of characteristics?
Both are beautiful birds! The Mustang is sporty, the BF 109 looks more dangerous. Both sound awesome!!!
Thx for watching
Classic America back then, no?
The mustang have better visibility in the cockpit which is excellent in dogfighting.
Steve Martin I think up to the G model, but the K definitely kicked ass!
Well said. The camo paint scheme says I’m here on deadly business. While the flashy paint scheme on the 51 says I’m here to race.
The sound of the Bf 109’s DB605 never gets old!
Yes. That sound have conquered all Europe, bombed England and half of Russia... Unforgettable sound!!!
i guess I am kind of off topic but does anyone know a good website to watch new movies online ?
@Koa Bryson thank you, I signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :D I really appreciate it !!
@Jose Elisha glad I could help :)
@@joseelisha7753 RUclips bots here? Really?
It's amazing that these 80 year old planes look and run so well.
In their design processes, I'm sure that no thought was put into "looking good", they were designed for pure functionality. Funny how something honed to ultimate performance inevitably can look beautiful.
True !
Form follows function. An ultimate principle of beauty.
They have become art in their own way
@@drMuggo Ever seen a Breguet?
@@MyFabian94 this name is not strange for me. I will take a look at this.
"When I saw those P-51's over Berlin I knew the jig was up''.- Hermann Goering to his Allied interrogators.
except that the sovjet union took over berlin...
" When i saw your bombers protected by your long range fighters, i knew then that the Luftwaffe would be unable to stop your bombers. Our weapons plants would be destroyed, our defeat was inevitable." Herman Goring to U.S.Gen. Carl " Tooey " Spatz, during interrogation.
The Allies deceived this saying because me262 was being manufactured.
Goering should have been shot by hitler to squander the Luftwaffe
@@maxsuarezmuller7186 Except the US was 40 miles from Berlin at the same time the Russians were 30-35 miles from Berlin! General Eisenhower being sentimental, decide to forgo the attack of Berlin! Initially General Eisenhower was going start with an Airborne Assault before the Armor and infantry initiated their attack! He decided to leave Berlin to the Russian because of 2 reasons. 1st Reason: General Eisenhower sympathized with Russian soldiers and civilians suffering when Leningrad, Stalingrad and Moscow was under siege and surrounded by the German (payback). He emphasized with the many Russian sacrifices and death in their defense! He also felt that the Russians should be the first ones to capture the city of Berlin! 2nd Reason: General Eisenhower understood the calculation and the possibility of many Allie forces casualties especially the surmountable death on Military both side and countless Civilian death! He also needed the soldiers fresh and ready for possible invasion of Japan! US and UK did bomb Berlin!!!
Congratulations to the great mechanics who put these beauties to fly after 80 years !, especially the Bf109 …… !!!
Bf 109 k4 the best looking flying machine ever made and the best sounding one to with that daimler engine
Both beautiful ...... BUT i am in love with the 109 and that's what counts (for me) !
The sound of the 109... One of the most amazing sounds I ever heard.
Daimler-Benz 605 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Spicy Booger he isn’t. German conscripts or pilots were never nazi. Neither the builders, only the SS. Whatever you say, the 109 is one of the best planes.
@@coolfungame8467 omgosh chill tf put snowflake like your the stupidest sounding person after say that
@@coolfungame8467 fu loving the sound of an engine doesnt make someone support nazism...
The 109 looks like shark ....deadly ....fast...powerful. The P-51 looks fast just tilting there ....sleek ... ...beautiful. I’ve been to many air shows but never any German WW2 fighters up close. Both planes look brand new I hope I look half as good 70+ years old!
I saw a ME262 in a barn about 40 years ago in Greencastle, Indiana. They also still have a V1 buzz bomb in their town square. I never did find out how they got there but I'm guessing some bigwig officer made it happen
It’s great to see these warbirds, once hostile enemies fighting against each other, now flying alongside together in the friendly skies to the delight of aircraft and aviation history enthusiasts. Salute to all those dedicated people who restored, flew and maintained these historic treasures for us to enjoy today. 👍
The BF-109 my favorite plane .
Bf 109 is better
not true
BF109 turbo sound.... omg I'm in love
The Mustang is more sporty but sound of the Bf109 is unbeatable.
Thanks to our English cousins for the Merlin engine, which made the Mustang a proper fighter. Still love the 109, though!
Thanks watching
Yep, before the Merlin, the P-51 was a pretty P-40 performance wise.
@@therobert9521 Oooh, don't tell Wilbur.
American made Merlin that engine is a beast
David Sparling yeah American engines sound soooo good and preform soo good
Big thanks. Beauty roaring sound. No any music tracks
Thanks watching
ohh yeaaah
TPAKTOPEHKO they look Brand new .,awesome
That Bf-109 rocks.
Yes 👍
Sounds like the p-51 is a little more smooth than the bf-109
Gave me new appreciation of the 109's. Knew they were awesome. Embrace them.
But it is the P-51 "D" that still holds my fascination.
For several decades a veteran pilot, living a couple miles south of me, owned one and flew it from a private airfield to our north.
He'd fly the Invasion Day bar marked shiny Mustang south to go over his own neighborhood.
Meant I could hear him coming and stop everything I was doing.
Hear the Doppler tone rise as he neared, see him, watch him bank over his neighborhood, sometimes exiting directly over me, sunlight glistening off the skin, the Doppler effect now receding, the love of that P-51 D reinforced once again.
P.S. My fraternal uncle spent the war in Texas. At age 13, well before WWII, had gotten his private pilot's license. With his headstart, he spent the war teaching pilots, the last years teaching combat pilots to fly P-51's!
My legacy. My favorite aircraft ever.
Call me crazy, but my favs are P-51B's in olive drab, Bf-109G5's in a sort of purple camo, and any FW-190 flying with JG54, especially in the spring. Nowatney! 8-)
the bf 109 is the most successful fighter in history followed by the FW190 second and the p-51 third place 💪
That Daimler-Benz engine is too amazing, the shrill spool up gives me goosebumps.
Thats the turbo-charger kicking in :>
@@ghostarashide227 Bf109 did NOT have a turbocharger. they are exhaust driven, it had a mechanical super charger. the only 2 fighters of WW II that had TURBOchargers feeding the supercharger, a 2 stage unit were the American P38 and the P47...B17 and B24 bombers had a similar system.......get your terminology straight !!!!
I like the canopy on the P 51.Modern for its time and the plane has nice lines,but that BF 109's sound.Oh man!
Imagine a ww2 veteran watching this in the sky
"confused screaming"
@@jaylicious260 The only survivor pilot of WW2 who flyght Bf-109 G ,and shoot down soviet,USSAF and Luftwaffe fighter planes,is a romanian one,G-ral (retired ) Ioan Dobran,102 years ! Still lives !
@@cristinitescu1 who? Would you please to make a video about him?
@@temaramsenja ,in the last video,you have subtitle in english.
Allied or Axis... one can well imagine there would be many emotions.
Both are beautiful birds, but I have to say I am impartial to the BF-109. There's just something about the way it sounds and looks. What I would give to be up in one of those beauts.
just me laura BUT the Germans lost the war with them !!!!!
I love the 109. And the Focke-Wulf 190D, and the Do-335. The Germans made the coolest and fastest planes of the war, without doubt.
The P-51D was faster, I believe. And had a vastly longer range.
@@sirrathersplendid4825 Not faster than a Do-335.
KnifeSmith wasn't a bad name for something that cut through the air..lol (messer=knife schmitt=smith)
5:58 you can hear the turbo-compressor!
Its such a beast !!
In uranus.
Are those authentic 109s? Just curious as the countries that lose wars tend to have most of their inventory destroyed. Here in the states, I've only seen a real Heinkel bomber (don't remember which variant) and a 2/3 scale replica Stuka. This year at WWII Weekend in Reading, Pennsylvania, I saw my first real Japanese Zero. Well, real body, but newer engine. Still pretty close.
These are the real Planes
The 109 looks like junk, and the 51 looks like a thing of beauty.. 51 all the way!!!
A hunk of junk. I do prefer the round smooth design of the p51, but I still think the 109 is sexy.
The wide undercarriage of the P51 made it more suitable for use in just about any kind of terrain. It could literally land in a farmers field, be resupplied and take off again to continue the fight. An impressive display of a fighter design that proved itself many many times over. Not to mention how good looking it is too of course.
Along with the spitfire and Zero , these planes were beautiful works of engineering .
I hope they all keep flying to show the world what once was.
P 51 looks powerful and elegant but the Bf 109 looks more menacing
Right 🙃
Absolutely agree
P-51 looks like a pregnant seal with wings from many angles, but still beautiful. Bf 109 looks like it had to fight in a long war and score thousands of kills till the bitter end.
Its incredible that there was over 30,000 109's built yet there are so few left.
You'd think there should be 500 left flying around. Of course there was that whole war thing...........
All shot out of the sky...
@Солнцевская Братва True, that could be the case if it was a low altitude 1 v 1 fight. But remember, the P-51 mainly escorted bombers during the war and its engine provided the needed altitude performance and manifold pressure to keep that going, as well its high octane fuel; something the Bf 109 lacked.
There was one glaring difference between the P51 Mustang and the Bf 109. It was this. By the time the yanks, with the benefit of years of training and unlimited resources, showed up (1944) in the P51, the Creme de la Creme of the Luftwaffe were gone, either killed by the RAF or the RED ARMY. The yanks went up against young men who were undertrained due to lack of fuel etc. The two aircraft were roughly equal, the aircrew were not.
Yes and German fuel was not as good
@@Warbirds the C3 fuel was - but it was very limited since even average fuel was a pretty big problem for the Luftwaffe at this time
Stewart Nicol
There were "Yanks" slugging it out with the "Creme de la Creme" Luftwaffe pilots and were a part of eliminating them before the P51 and it's pilots showed up, the 56th fighter group with their P47's shure as hell shot their share of hot shot Luftwaffe aces out of the sky, it wasn't just the RAF and the RED ARMY that did it alone, maybe you should go to the graveyard at Cambridge and read some of the tombstones, look at the fighter groups and dates carved in them for the proof.
With the exception of a few rarely fielded versions of the BF109 it was no match for the P51, the P51 could out climb the BF109 all week long and twice on Sunday, if you have equal amounts of fuel in each plane the P51 easily out climbs the BF109, the only reason that the BF109 has the climbing rate it does is for the same reason that the Spitfire does, the designers sacrificed fuel capacity and range for rate of climb, the P51 had an aft fuel tank that the BF109 and the Spit didn't, the engine of the P51 drew it's fuel from this tank for take off and climbing to altitude, after draining it they switched to their external stores and drew fuel from them for the long flight to where the Luftwaffe would come up to engage the bombers, then they'd jettison their drop tanks and in this configuration, which is the one they'd be in when they typically engaged the BF109's and they were at the altitudes that the engagements typically happened at, they could out perform them in every way.
Everyone thinks the BF109 could out climb the P51 but that's because everyone always looks at their rate of climb from sea level with the P51's aft tank filled, the NACA reports show that when they're in the configurations that they typically met each other in combat the P51 out performs it all around.
As far as exotic late war BF109's they weren't anything the P47's and the later upgraded Spits running the American 150 octane fuel couldn't take of.
P47M's could close the gap on and destroy ME262's that were at full throttle and running away in level flight, there's several documented accounts of that happening.
It wasn't green Luftwaffe pilots that were flying most of the jets and upgraded BF109's at the end of the war, it was mostly the last of their experienced pilots.
@@dukecraig2402 Small detail: Literally thousands of well rested US-Pilots in well maintained high performance planes against a handful of exhausted german pilots in planes made with very limited resources and sub-par fuel. It is good that the americans rarely ever had to face equal opponents in terms of equipment or numbers. Or it would be many more Kasserine Pass battles or Schweinfurt raids. The US were best at logistics due to their untouched production sites, unlimited raw material and manpower in their industry. They were a crucial supplier but you got to hand it to the british that really fought with their backs against the wall facing a fully functional and well prepared Luftwaffe. Politically the US always made the right choices, joining in when everybody else was totally exhausted and then claiming the win with minimal losses relatively speaking.
Exactly, pilot quality was not there for Germany when the primadonna 51 came along.Frightened kids with no combat training against seasoned allied pilots made the last year and a half a slaughter Galland tried in vain to stop.
Erich Hartmann( 352 shoots), even though on the eastern front, shot down 7 Mustangs. But unlikely not ever Luftwaffe Pilot was a Erich Hartmann..Most of them was at the end neebies and had not really a chance. Also the numbers were 1:15..
Don't know for sure,but some sources claiming,that many of those "kills" come from aicrafts destroyed on the ground-mainly on eastern front...On the the other way it would be interesting to see,how many "kills" would get ie. Francis Gabreski,if he was in same use like Luftwaffe aces...in terms of number of flights per day and constant service.
BF 109 , its powerful sounds engine 👍
109 just looks so menacing. Imagine if you were of the ww2 generation and saw this bird flying low over your house. "They're back!"
p51 is the slickest looking piston fighter ever imo. All wwii warbirds truly are art.
Always been impressed with German engineering but the p- 51 is just too badass!!
P51 styling almost looks like a toy plane obviously for aerodynamics versus the older more square rugged hunter look of the BF109.
The bf109 Looks more menacing
Alleswasspassmacht agreed. Iv’e always thought the bf109 has a wolf like appearance. Lol
The p-51 performed well against th bf-109, but it doesn't have that intimidating "black knight" look
I think that P51D looks too nice as for warplane.
Bf109 looks like machine made for war
@@corvus8752 I agree, and the 109 is more nightmare-inducing in a dogfight
109 the best😁😁🛩🛩🛩
The 109 is not the best people have their own opinion
For example me I love the P-51 mustang ABC and d
@@terrynightingale9783 According experts like Skip Holm so bf109 is much better warbird for dogfighting than p-51.😊
Beautiful. Love the quality too.
Thx
Say what you like but the Germans knew how to make an engine.
Not really, The Germans had a bigger engine then the p-51, but the p-51 outran the 109 at any altitude, and it weighted more then the 109.
@@gnomechild3248 and who designed the p51 anyway? A German. Edger schmued
@@anindanath2420 America's a country of immigrants so your point doesn't really matter. Plus, he didn't design the engine lmao, he designed the plane.
@@gnomechild3248 yes ethnicity matters, it's because an American couldn't come with a better design idea, that's what is burning you. And who said anything about engine design? Even the engine was borrowed from Britain, later was under licensed products . But the Germans did all by their own. With methanol water injection, the dB 605 reached at 711kmph, nearly cathched the mustang. And everyone knows about these two planes performance comparison. Mustangs had laminar wings and sleek design, therefore more maneuverable and faster for being more aerodynamic.
@@anindanath2420 "yes ethnicity matters, it's because an American couldn't come with a better design idea" What?? American isn't an ethnicity lmao. P-51 is not more maneuverable then the BF-109. Who cares about BF-109K when America had developed the P-51h which used the same water-methanol injection, need i tell you water-methanol injection is a British invention, so I've no idea why you'd use it in this argument.
this is how i test my audio devices. if this sounds bad on one of them, then nothing else will sound any better.
Only the K series could match and beat the P51 but there were not many of them
Yes Ressources were Short These days
Hoa Tattis g-10 and g-14 were also good contenders, but they usually using gunpods to hunt bombers, but that increased a lot the weight and reduced the plane’s performance. The K version was probably even better than the mustang
@@ferrarisuper Not enough and too late
in dogfights the Gustav 109 was better than a p-51 when lower than about 4000m/14000 feet
@@lunics9808 No Read Eric Brown Wings of the Luftwaffe where it was tested at all altitudes and it was beaten
The 51 looks like a racing plane ie to win races. The 109 looks like a war machine. A plane designed to kill other planes. Hard to believe it was kicking ass in Spain, well before the BOB/WW2.
That's exactly what I thought, though not necessarily a sports plane. The P-51 looks more elegant and clean, while the 109 looks mean and ready for war. If I saw both planes coming at me while on the ground, I'd be more scared of the 109.
We must remember that both aircraft were created at different times during the conflict of WWII, and pre war conflicts. That being said, the pilot has much to do with hunter vs the hunted. Both aircraft are flying artworks, but my heart will always favor the Bf-109 family. This is just my preference! Danke!
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These 2 birds frequently fought against each other during the war so the comparison is valid.
@@emersoncaicedo3146 the level of training varied greatly between the two countries, one was on the decline the other on the rise. The Experten continually grew their "kills", while the "green horns were lucky to survive the first encounters with the P-51. In the hands of such pilots as Hartmann, Bakhorn, and others, the Bf-109 was still considered a deadly foe, hence the comparison of hunter vs hunted. Salutations.
@@emersoncaicedo3146 K4 is also a valid comparison...
@@bluefox9436 I never said it wasn't. The k4 was too late in the war to make a difference. That being said, the k4 did fight against the p51d and it was superior to the p51d. The bf 109 in this video is a g series, and generally speaking the p51d is superior than the bf 109g6, which is the one in the video think.
The P51 looks like muscle. The 109 is just a slab fuselage with wings.
The Germans sure pumped out some of the best looking weapons, from the bf109, me262, ju 87 to the tiger tank, mg 42, the Bismarck and Scharnhorst.
Of course the P51 with the Rolls Royce Marlin engine was a better fighter, mainly that it didn't come into production thill later in the war, whereas the 109 was mid 30's design. It certainly was a great fighter
eap3174WRONG !!!! The Mustang first flew in 1940 and they NEVER used a RR built engine !!! ALL Merlin engines used in Merlin Mustangs were Made and MODIFIED In America by PACKARD Motors !!!!! Packard made 55,525 merlins with 37,137 for the Brits 18,000 for the USAAF 15,000 for the Mustangs the V1650/3 & 7 & 9 were not used in any other plane !!! Facts of history....if you do the research !!!
The first Mustangs had an Allison engine, then they switched to Merlin engine which was designed and built by Rolls Royce, but the Merlin engines were built under license by Packard, now you also got to remember that the war started in September 1939 but America didn't start till December 8 1941. @@wilburfinnigan2142
Günther Rall told me a lot about the Bf-109 during the war! They were great pilots!
P51 is sick looking, but the 109 is intimidating
I just love bf 109...
Fierce BF109. All time favourite
i just love the howl of the 109.
And I love the howl of the p51...
@@Exestential40 there is no howl xD
The p51 howl in general. Not the actual video 😑
@@Exestential40 oh ok sorry
Grounded cheespuffs 1 okay dude you dont need to say that you love the P-51s howl. People have they’re own opinion.
Awesome planes. I like the sound of the BF-109 engine. It sounds mean. 👍
Both beautiful, but the P-51D was just too pretty. I get the appeal. It was sleek and modern and those RR Merlin engines sounded so smooth. But I have always loved the rugged good looks of a 109 above all other fighters. Those DB 605 sounded great as well. I have give a nod to the 190A-8 with the BMW 801 radials. Those engines sound downright terrifying! That deep radical dragster popping. *shudder*
Packard motor. Not a single Rolls motor seen combat in a Mustang. It was an American improved and licensed built Rolls. Ford had to teach Rolls how to make the motor much earlier too in England and even set up a factory to show Rolls.
benjaminrapp Sorry old bean but NOT one RR Built merlin was used in a production P51 Merlin Mustang, ALL were made in and modified in AMERICA by PACKARD. and RR signed off on the changes for mass production. The V1650-3 & 7 & 9 &11 were very different from the RR versions and ONLY used in the Merlin Mustangs !!! Do the research and find out what was done !!!
Beautifully done vid. I’m a Pony driver in DCS and IL-2...love the Mustang!
Thanks watching mate
Bf 109 a maravilhosa engenharia alemã amo 😍o/
These 2 warbirds were hot in their day. Due to constant training and technology in the U.S., the USAAF had a better advantage over the well used and well worn German pilots who flew every mission unti lthey were either killed or taken prisoner. These 2 great planes were the pride of the their nations and in the hands of a seasoned pilot, both were quite formidable. These airshow videos surely bring back the sights, sounds and surrealness of their day. Back then a man had to fly his airplane, navigate, fight, conduct self defense maneuvering , then fly home. There was no woke agenda back then. A man knew he was a man and what was between his legs. And that was usually a high performance fighter plane used to fight his enemy. There was no gender confusion therapy back then. When one hears the growl of a V-12, it surely does something to the soul and reminds us of a time when men flew with a mission sense to defend their countries and to be courageous. You all havea blest day and remember who paid the price for your freedoms, liberties and national sovereignty. God bless all you aviation history lovers. Keep 'em flyin'!
P-51D 100%. I appreciate the Bf-109 as well. Thank you for the video!
Thx watching
I think the opposite way :D
Both are great aircraft in their own right. However, I must say this.My dad being German, and me being American, I appreciate German technology. That being said, the Messerschmitt came first, It's easy to make a better whatever it is you're making when you know what you have to beat!
I’ve came for the sweet engine sounds of both planes
Thank you for not trying to passively support Nazism
Spicy Booger ???
@First name Last name lmao
There's no match. P 51D with Rolls Royce engine is the best pistons airplane of WW2. Bf 109 was the best at high altitude, Spitfire was the best at low altitude, P 51D was the best everywere.
Both are really beautiful airplanes. I wish I could fly one of those. Its a dream :)
A better match for the P51 would be the Dornier Pfeil DO335 or the more modern Fiat G56 Centauro with DB603 engine and dont forget the FW109 Dora :-)
MUHHstang FTW! ;)
Thx watching
By comparison the P-51D weighs double the Bf109. 6,000 lbs versus 12,000 lbs
Happy Easter Alles... get yourself some chocolate and hunker down mate.
The 109 looks dated compared to a P 51..if i was in a 109 and saw a P51 coming...
would not be happy..
However 109 sounds cool
Both are awesome! What sounds. P-51 has the advantage of later technical knowledge from companies that were not being bombed every day.
Cause the Luftwaffe didn’t have a four-engined heavy bomber comparable to B-17.
@@samanli-tw3id me 264 was in development but only 2 were built
@@Ori--pw5vw Plus, the Luftwaffe focused on tactical bombing rather than strategic bombing which the B-17 was suited for.
P-51 🔥
It dominated the airs after it took the skys FACTS
True
Tolles video!!! Both amazing planes and inventions at their time, 109 one the first to rule the sky, and the p-51, being a newly designed plane, also had its glory days in the war.
No comparison!.... The P51 is the the Winner !!! 🇺🇸🇬🇧 👍🏻
The p51 looks more tight . as the bf 109 looks like its way looser. Meaning. It looks more twitchy lol
for looks I'd pick the 109 , if my life depended on it? the P51 no question
The 109 was funny looking, especially when sitting on the ground with that spindly looking landing gear...
@@jamesbottger5894 in the air it looks fantastic there is a low fly by vid which is worth a look of this Aircraft the sound of the engine alone is a stand out
@@WESSERPARAQUAT The Mustang is beautiful in the air or on the ground...it may just be the most beautiful looking plane ever built!
@@jamesbottger5894 P51 is at the top of the list of course with the rest , superb aircraft American design and build and of course absolutely lethal!
@@jamesbottger5894 ps , it is always a matter of taste , but for me personally the 109 wins on looks as i stated at the top on a war footing no hesitation at all i'd pick the p51 over everything else from that era with the exception of the FW 190
P-51 Mustang = 710 km/h , Bf-109 = 640 km/h. Any questions ?
I don’t know about you, but I find it freaking cool that two planes from the same war, different countries, both enemies to each other are now flying together (again) 70+ years later! Hard to believe these planes are almost 100 and the P-51’s style will never die
People seem to forget that USAAAF did not want the p51D. It really was designed to meet RAF requirements and was purchased in such large numbers that the USAAAF could not get them, making do with spitfires for some time. So while it was American designed, the engine and specifications were British.
Compared to the Spitfire (1st generation monoplane fighter) it was at least a 2nd generation design (possible 3rd).
I am in love with the P-51d....it's my favorite airplane of all time...the stylized lines...the sound of the Merlin engine...the murderyness of it 6 guns....oh sure some would say Hellcats and Corsairs are better...but I'm not one of them
*EDIT* Thanks for not ruining the moment with some awful music...the sound of those planes was music enough
Hard to just pick one. I want to see a kill ratio and choose from that.
Who the hell would say a hellcat is better? Lol
One advantage the ME 109 had was that the MG could shoot through the propeller. The Mustang outside from the wing, but both war machines that were once designed for combat.
There I am rather with a Pilatus PC-21
Greetings from Germany.
What an incredible sound.
Bf-109 has a beautiful sound and a very powerfull view.
I never thought either compared to the Spitfire but simply between the two:
109 is more manuverable, has better armament, can claim that it saw service through the entire war and still managed to be somewhat competitive
P51 has the range, is easier on the pilot (wider landing gear, better canopy, etc), better looking, and more iconic to non-airplane enthusiasts
Thanks mate for watching
Depends where you are. The design of the 109 was over 7 years old when the mustang came to the troops. It was a time where the optimal solution wasn't so apparent. So, the 109 and british types were pioneering in this field. The mustang had the advantage that lots of experience from actual modern aerial combat went into its design. To me it is always a miracle how the the engineers at messerschmitt and FW could build competitive machines with so many limitations in available materials, relying on way lower octane fuels, weaker logistics to support all the operations.
FYI, The 109 all the way up to the K4 was a horse apiece with the spitfire. The K4 was faster and had a higher ceiling than any allied aircraft in WW2.
Both were good fighters, but because of their shapes, I like the Mustang better.
I love the looks of the 109 and the engine of the 51
The Mustang was at least 10 years more advanced than the BF-109.
Anyones anxiety jump whenever the bf 109 would fly over 😂
ich hab keine ahnung was die leute an der mustang schön finden.... es ist ein gutes flugzeug (außer frage) aber es sieht aus wie ein aufgeblasener gubby ....
you can just tell from the sound of the engine just how smoother the Mustang was
But Messerschmitt is already direct injected
@Yee Memes of course it can hahaha shut up
@Roy Lewis Hamilton could race you on the track with a 100 HP delivery van while you sit in a 500hp sports car and still get better times than you. Funny how a delivery van can beat a sports car.
@Roy yes, and I am happy that the US rarely had to face any enemy at his best. Its a good policy to join the fight after others almost finished the adversary. Best allied Air force goes to Britain, best allied ground forces good to the soviets, best special forces Britain again. Best truck drivers : USA, the best in logistics, that's for sure.
109’s engine has a hotrod sound compared to the Merlin. Both are awesome.
I dont know how they designed such majestic piece of art
But i know they loved and enjoyed their job
The BF109 looks like a cigar that someone took and stuck wings, canopy, and a tail on and said it will fly. The P51 looks like engineers with artistic backgrounds spent years figuring out the design, angles and shapes!
i prefer the Messerschmitt due to rareness nowadays
Sweet sound to that P-51 Mustang engine!
Annoyingly the swastika motif is incomplete on the tail. You really shouldn't censor history like that!
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