It was never the heart of the AG to tear this place down, like you said so well. I have to say that those of us who have been watching that when Tammy's story came out I said in my heart this is enough, there is too much wickedness and it should be closed. The ELT sowing doubt about these woman and their stories has been crushing and can only imagine how JD1 has suffered again. Thank you Dwayne for doing what was right.
The prayer movement does not need IHOP. I think that is the first truth IHOP should swallow. That belief is egotistical. The prayer movement belongs to God and exists in the heart of the believer. Thanks Dwayne for your bravery. I'm so proud of Jane Doe, so proud you have stood up on her behalf.
Right so how many churches do you know of that even have a prayer meeting where ppl pray? I'm talking about an actual prayer service where the service is just devoted to prayer? How about absolutely none. You cant name one. I no of one at a calvary chapel & it's weak. There is no prayer movement at any of these other churches-your dreaming
@@justinchamberlain3443 you are absolutely wrong. I have been a part of a church where we had weekly prayer meetings and moved in the gifts of the spirit as a church very regularly. Every single service had prophetic worship, and allowed people to come share on the mic with their were believing God was speaking to the church. It is possible and it does happen, and just because you don’t know of these smaller congregations doesn’t mean it’s not true.
Dwayne, I can only imagine the pain you and the rest of the advocate group (families included) have experienced through this time. And the price you have paid to stand with the Jane Does. Prayers for all.
Dwayne, if ihopkc is eventually brought down it will in NO WAY be your fault. If ihopkc is shut down it will be solely because of the wickedness and evil that Bickle & the ELT have perpetrated, and then covered up. Make no mistake, this exposure is ultimately coming from God. He simply will not allow wickedness to be done in Jesus' name without consequences. His name is too precious to Him.
And everyone who spoke from The same podium for 20 years Preaching and Agreeing about The same prophets who Hind Sight is now 20/20 All Must Repent They all came out of IHOP and Unlike God you do not decide who gets a Pass ? There is not a Church on earth that does not need To repent for Deviding The Body of Christ into Thousands of Denomations ,We all Need To Repent The last Thing Jesus Prayed For His BODY to Become one .not Thousands, Most people can't even see The curse God has them under.Illusion's mean you are not aware Thausands of Demonations are Sure They have The Real Truth .
Sorry all former ELT are responsible. These are lessons on how not to handle alleged sexual abuse. Follow the Word! All ELT former and present are equally responsible. No repentance for false victims! You hurt these women! Stop blaming everyone else
Most of us who were not even in KC, we were heavily influenced by what was happening in KC with Bickle, Cain, and Jones. I was in the Vineyard movement starting in the late 80's and all through the time that the prophets were brought in, and for many years afterwards. We were exposed to some very bad doctrine and prophetic misuse. I had utmost respect for Bickle. Now so many people are having to re-evaluate our beliefs and examine how we allowed ourselves to be so misled. Much work to do before the Lord and in the Word. Thankfully I moved on to a much less charismatic church a few years ago, and have gotten back into the Word and have already questioned some things. But not everyone has yet had a chance to do so, and they need support as they begin to sort out what is and isn't real. My heart goes out to the interns who are still at IHOPKC, especially the international students who have few options to leave. Everyone needs prayers now. And even Mike and those who covered for him need to be restored to Jesus, even though they have disqualified themselves from ministry.
Thanks for saying this. I just came to that realization myself recently. I'm from the West Coast and was exposed to a lot of it because of ministries I frequented besides my home church at the time. It's a lot to examine and unravel from my own history.
Our family has received profound and accurate prophecies in the US and abroad. The gifts are real. Keep doing hard thinking... it's easy to just shut down.
We have similar Vineyatd backgrounds. The prophetic movement within spurred me on to stir up spiritual gifts. Our words were weighed, we were continually encouraged and rarely put to shame. So thankful I was discipled in spiritual gifts in a safe, responsible, disciplined way.
THANK YOU to you and all the other leaders in the advocate group who have taken a principled but courageous stand for truth and with the victims. Especially after watching the ELT’s slow and tepid response over the past four months, we are SO APPRECIATIVE that all of you stood so solidly and advocated for the victims. From the videos you put out it seemed like it took most of you a few months to really be able to fully grasp and be fully convinced of what MB had done. It seems like the ELT is finally beginning to understand what happened, my guess is that it has also taken them a few months to be able to come to grasp with the truth - am praying that their actions will prove this true. I do believe that we are in the end of the end times, and we have been warned as a body of Christ that we are going to be facing increasing deception and false prophets the closer to the end we get, and that many will fall away. I think that something redemptive that may come out of this is that some of you will be able to look back and analyze what happened and how so many of you were deceived in MB - that what you learn will be able to strengthen and enlighten the body of Christ in how to recognize and not fall prey to the deceivers that are coming. I have heard several testimonies from IHOPers and from the women who shared from the advocate group that Bickle was the LAST person they would have suspected, some even said it was NOT POSSIBLE, and I am wondering how it was that he had so many thoroughly convinced of his innocence/godliness - what he did or said that created that facade.
Mike Bickle was the last person I would have thought capable of any of this.....but he must have believed some of his own lies . I have known some pretty good liars, but Mike is the greatest one I have ever known....preaching such real insights to the Lord, and His heart and word....and lying through his teeth at the same time. Truly heartbreaking when you trust and love who you believe is your brother in Christ.
@@diane8907 Deceiving and being deceived, as Paul said. Can I ask what made you realize you had been lied to? In some of the testimonies and even defenses I have read or listened too, I was struck by the number of times his behavior was described as “quirky” or odd, and some people dismissed it then saying “that’s just Mike…” - like playing footsie under the table, or tousling people’s hair - there seemed to be a bit of playful, “innocent”, childlike physical overfamiliarity, and doing it all out in the open so everyone would assume it WAS innocent and childlike - just wondering if you noticed this too? Do you think retrospectively he was trying to push people’s physical boundaries? For me, reading the email that he sent to Jane Doe’s husband removed any doubt that I had - it felt strange to read someone else’s correspondence, but I felt it was necessary to determine the truth of the accusations so I was glad it was released - did you ever see that side of Mike, or was that Mike totally hidden from you?
I think he was such a master at painting emotional and engaging pictures with words when he talked about certain subjects. It was mesmerizing and enchanting. I think people thought no one with love for Jesus to those depths would be capable of doing things like he's done. I remember my former Pastor would do abusive, odd or innapropriate things and we would just excuse it. Saying things just like people at IHOP, "Oh that's just PG." Later, after I left there and had some healing under my belt I realized how crazy that was! That church was cult-like much like IHOP. Very authoritarian and don't question leadership or what they're doing. To address the innappropriate physical stuff he did: Perpetrators commonly do that, pushing the physical boundries to desensitize the targets so when they really do assault you you don't realize how wrong it is. I hope I'm wording that in an understandable way. I was groomed and assaulted that way. The last thing he did was strangle me... It really upset and angered me when I saw the pictures of MB grabbing young women by the neck. I know in my case, I was not the only one.
@@myramoir4056 You brought out another commonality I noticed, that people often said “He really loves Jesus”. I think Francis Chan used those words too. Do you know why people said that of Mike, how he convinced people of it? Was it something he often said of himself? It just struck me how many people said that specific phrase about him, (as opposed to other things they could have said like “he really knows God.”)
Thank you all you have risked and thank you for this video. I am looking forward to all that you hope happens and all of us unpacking and untangling what Mike has sown in all of our lives.
We are all with you and your wife Dwayne. You did the right thing. I attended IHOPKC for 20 years and saw nefarious things about MB that corroborated with the story. We will be blameless in front of the great judgement seat because we didn't engage in cover up of sins.
@@tonyd6925 you're a joke without knowing how to spell "joke". Lots of people don't engage in exposure until years later. Hack, there are husbands don't have a clue about their wives' past. How old are you?
Dwayne Roberts I appreciate your sincerity but what you propose is practically impossible. What is the name on every deed of property? Who is the name at the bottom of the record company, the publishing house, the gas and oil exploration company that nobody knew about? Who is the name on the title deed of the building of the prayer room? Even if he pretends that you get him out of office, have you defeated him economically?As long as he wins economically, he has won.The prayer room never was yours until you get all of that property stocks, money out of his narcissistic, hellish control. There are many bodies on the floor. There will be more. Follow the money. We are not dealing with Christians. We are dealing with wolves. They don’t play nice. A forensic accountant is called for. Stop calling for a third-party investigation and turn this matter over to professional investigators who will be able to sue him in court and challenge him for fraud, massive fraud. He belongs in prison. You may not like that, but it is the truth . I challenge your view of the situation. It is a not a shame if international House of prayer closes down. The Lord God Almighty, is not in need of rapists, pedophiles and their enablers in order to get the fallen tabernacle of David rebuilt on the Earth. I personally believe he would scorn to use an organization that dealt in such satanic evil, and with the congregation, that deliberately and consistently turned its face away from the victims in favor of the perpetrator. This is an outrageous crime, and we are paying for it. I personally hope that it all comes down. But if the Lord decides that it go down to a holy lump, and that every perpetrator be booted out, and that in the humble beginnings it start again that’s up to him. Meanwhile, the movement of prayer goes forward across the Earth. Sin is not necessary to the plan of the Lord. There’s been too much pride on this point. God does not need international house of prayer. Open every drawer. From the labyrinthine triple locked office of horrors that was Mike pickles to every financial investment that allowed him to buy private homes and apartments for his concubines. Open every account expose it all to the light. And then let the Lord have his way. Anything else is a cover-up. No more.
Winning? This isn't a money competition, or is it? In all likelihood the wonen are set to sue, that's why they've retained a lawyer. If Mike personally has deep pockets, they'll clean him out, if not, they'll come for ihopkc assets. The ones who have personal knowledge of these assets are the AG.
If a serious all encompassing investigation would discover what you think it would discover, for sure the Body of Christ would be a lot wiser when it comes to recognizing deceivers and false prophets. Such wisdom and discernment is surely what we need more of in these days.
When you run IHOP as a business;these are the results. There is no discernment because you use God as a foible and man is in control. Having false Prophets lay the prophetic foundation for this work brings it to a work of man and not of God. That doesn't mean there wasn't some good things happening;for even in Joel Osteen"s group good things have happened. That doesn't equate to an established Church. If an individual attending IHOP had done what Mike Bickle has done he or she would be immediately dismissed or perhaps criminal charges would of been brought forth. Anyway what you're looking at in IHOP is a functioning business taking advantage of tax laws available to CHURCHES.
They can’t defeat him, economically. No one can. Thats not “victory”. Many who follow the world or Satan, openly, are the wealthiest people in society. It’s not about the wealth. It’s about the world knowing he’s a wolf. Vindicating the victims.
It must be so sad for so many people who sacrificed their youth and health to build the vision of one man, and so many of them got divorces, children backslided and wanting nothing to do with Jesus. Many of the staff that go through the house of prayer get backslided, and many of the students don’t want to attend church anymore after going through the house of prayer, many of them because they don’t know how to have a prayer life and how to relate to the Bible outside of the prayer room. How many got depression? How many sacrificed their future. So many are grieving and in denial, because they truly sacrificed their lives and families because the ministry American Dream, and all of that because Mike Bickle was godliest man we thought we knew. It’s just heart breaking.
Wow, Mike was set down from access to IHOP back in October. He confessed, he did it. He is out of ministry. His reputation is forever ruined.He will be sued, maybe sentenced to a prison term. It now looks like the AG is looking for a public scourging and hanging. The guy sinned, eventually got caught and likely does not have a friend left in the world. What are you all looking to squeeze out of this pitiful brother? Is the AG group going to drag him out of his house put him on the rack and torture a full and complete confession, one that they are satisfied with? Dwayne, I love you, but how do your recent actions help the church?
They've passed beyond righteousness into stirring a lynch mob and have caused thousands who were never even in an Ihop prayer meeting to murder a man in public. This is no way for the church to treat one another. The AC group proved their point when Dwayne released his accusation publicly the day after IHOP announced this devastating news to their staff. He could not wait to take his claims to the world. Why? Everyone says that their 'heart is pure', but the heart is deceitfully wicked and who can know it? No-one knew who Dwayne was outside of IHOP, he's burned that bridge now and has made a name for himself among those who have waited for decades to burn IHOP to the ground. Lord have mercy. @@kimmymcbride4722
Dwayne, we are awake. We see through MB at this point. He is accusing others of exactly what he has done. We've seen this tactic play out on the national stage in the political realm. Now we're seeing the same tactics (probably the same spirits) in the charismatic realm. Thank you for speaking out. Thank you for your pastoral concern.
😊 Praying for you and your family. I always wondered if you have ever seen any of my videos? Allen and Rachel said they have seen many of them. I will continue to do updates until the full exposure of the reprehensible actions of IHOPKC ELT and Mike Bickle. OK I haven’t watched this video yet but I’m going to right now. I’m on my street outreach right now here in Canada. Wanted to Send you a quick comment. 🇨🇦🙏 Our hope is in the Lord blessings
I am in the UK. I've been watching Mike Bickle for years and was fully invested in his "ministry"😔 When everything began to come out I, initially, didn't believe it and even commented on Steve Strang's YT vid (that he put out in defense of MB) that I believed Jane Doe 1 was lying. I subsequently removed my comment as I was reminded that women very, very, very rarely report abuse and, when they do so, it must be investigated. Upon this, I gave her the benefit of doubt. I was devastated to find out that JD1 (and, later, the other JDs) was telling the truth😥 It is so hard to wrap my head around. I told my husband that I feel like a victim of spiritual abuse. My hubby doesn't understand as he never watched MB. I suppose this is how the supporters of Ravi Zacharias must feel? I am gutted to know how easily deceived, gullible and undiscerning I am. Me who has been in Jesus nearly 40 years. What the Lord has pointed out to me is how little I actually read my Bible, and I haven't really studied it for years, because I've been depending on MB and other Ministries to feed me. I printed out a couple of MB's handouts but I never once looked up the Scripture refs and examined them to see if they aligned with what was being taught. Not once. Just lazy🙁 There's a video of John Mulinde giving his testimony on YT. It has more than 1 million views. It's - A Pastor Has A Chilling Encounter With Jesus Himself, Who Delivers An Urgent Message! - When I watched it last year June, I noticed that he was at IHOPKC! I wonder if John knew what was going on at IHOPKC when he was giving his testimony💁🏾♀️ It's strange how relevant his testimony was to MB and nobody knew it💯 Thank you for standing up for JD1 and her (ex?)husband. You are also standing up for many nameless and faceless people (like me) that you will never meet💥🔥🇬🇧
Men and their kingdoms... SO much more damage has been done through social media outlets like this....Just live a quiet life and mind your own business. I believe that's the Bible.
that has been The problem, nobody tests. one side of the denominational divide has accepted everything without question, the other outright rejecting everything, Both disobeying the command to test ......
Thank you Dwayne. You are standing up for truth and righteousness. The controversy around Mike is shocking in and of itself, but what is even more is how many choose to stand with darkness and deception. Let it all come to light!
IHOP will eventually close. Simple question: If you have a daughter who loves the Lord, would you confidently send her there? That's why. God's people praying has always been many hundred times bigger than IHOP. Full stop.
I have been studying the Old Testament, so I can't help but wonder what the God of the Old Testament would have done with a place that was said to be honoring Him, yet there were all manner of idol worship (Bickle and others), lies, sexual fornication, false prophecies, false signs and wonders, false worship, secret sins, and appararently more. What would the old TRUE prophets have said? What would the God of the Old Testament have done? I'm afraid He would have brought out a remnant of true believers and completely destroyed everything else. Let's face it. The Holy God of heaven wasn't there. How could He be? Scary thought.
God is never changing. I’ve been with IHOP for the past year and I can assure you that the severity of the situation is well understood by a sweeping majority of folks. If you ever spoke to anybody here, especially those on night watch, you would be encountered with a precious body of believers who adore, proclaim the beauty of, and worship king Jesus. The hope for everyone here is for repentance, the reverence, awe, and wonder of God to be multiplied and the glory of the ALMIGHTY to fill the room like it never has before. Isn’t that what it’s all about? Experiential understanding of the presence of the one true living God? Shalom peace
Advocate Group - 'All IHOP leaders are bad people because they wanna talk to attorneys'...meanwhile, behind closed doors, the advocate group has been talking to... you guessed it, an attorney. Now, this attorney (Boz) wants to destroy IHOPKC and shake IHOPKC down for cash. Agree, Mike is guilty and this needs to be accounted for. But Boz has lost all my trust. Agree w Dwayne that confession, repentance and healing should be the goal.
Brother come on... There's plenty of men that also need to confront and expose their sin of admiration and idolatry of men that call themselves prophets, and they were/are not. It seems Bickle is truly guilty of these things, but there are men that sat under such warped and manipulative teaching for years and never stepped or spoke up...and even now aren't. Yes, for the women, but not for using the word of God deceitfully. IHOP was built off of some perverse decievers. Paul cain, Bob Jones,..Mike all had a history that anyone could have investigated but the seduction of the supernatural overode the need to protect others from wolves. And yes they were and are wolves.
@hutchhutchinson3133 Totally agree. And to be honest, the list will go on from there... These filthy dreamers are a massive problem. I hope that folks will examine why and how they got duped and begin to discern these false shepherds. I believe God is using this to wake His people up.
Bickle was the most respectable out of that whole group. And that's what's sad and I guess it's just the power of 2cor11:13-15 satans servants can be "false apostles of Christ" and "ministers of righteousness". Bill Johnson needs to be thrown into the trash can along w/ the whole Toronto blessing group which includes Copeland. Not to say macarthur or that crowd is much better. Everybody is greedy for gain. But for the model charismatic movement Bickle was the gold standard, which is sad. He taught jn13-17 better than anyone else I've heard. He was 1000x more biblically solid than Joyner or Johnson or baker. This is a major crossroads
@@diane8907 I am not sure your comment answers my question above but in regards to who is teaching lies etc etc each person would have to seek The Lord on that.
Dwayne , thank you for yours and Jennifer’s work in supporting your friend (Jane Doe) and the others who have been victims from the IHOPKC ministry, and taking a stand for integrity and truth for the sake of Healing thru repentance and desiring reconciliation as much as is possible. I worked at Higher Grounds for a couple years and remember the fruit of the Spirit’s work in your life during the awakening and being convicted of loving the other image bearers in front of you. I felt that and wanted to let you know that it has impacted me as a sign of true repentance and growth. Grace & Peace brother.
Thank you brother. From the very beginning, we saw your intentions that were upright. We truly understand your upright intentions. I see no need to try to explain it. As one man said, "Your friends don't need an explanation and your enemies won't believe you no matter what."
Here's the goal line: "It’s time to take whatever monies are left & put them into a fund for those whose lives have been wrecked by a place that claims to love Jesus so much it prays to him 24/7. The praying hasn’t worked. It’s just made IHOPKC more pious in defending the indefensible. It’s time.” QUOTE*** Boz Tchividjian*** attorney (Let the shakedown begin. ETA: IM NOT A FAN OF LITIGIOUS PEOPLE.)
Dwayne…. you are a good man and God loves you. Thank you for your honesty and the truth, you have shown. Just continue to do what God tells you to do then you’ll be OK. Thank you for your boldness. No one else wanted to do it Kim Bickle, Pat Bickle’s wife.
Do not let the tactics of the enemy stop Int'l House of Prayer from continuing Praying, fasting, repenting, praise and worship to the King of Kings who deserve all the honor and glory! Why should all those young men and women who has a HEART TO PRAY be punished because of one Man's sin--M.B.! Praying M.B will publically repent of his immorality!!
@@denalowry8710 "Did you see the last sentence that I mentioned that M.B. would repent of immorality? He has hurt so many innocent individuals by his manipulation, lies, etc. I'm not sure what specific toxic situation that happened at IHOP but that also should be exposed and confronted for sure! I pray for healing, forgiveness, restoration for all the individual victims who were emotionally and physically harmed by M.B. I believe in the POWER OF PRAYER according to Philippians 4:6, Ephesians 6:18, Matthew 6:9-13, and many more scriptures! May our hearts be transformed by Love, Mercy & Grace of God through his son Jesus Christ!
someone wants to Take it Over. Jealousy envy ,Anger resentments .One Angel Killed25,000 People But all , As usual we cannot agree. Every Christian should Repent for Dividing Christ Body into over 30,000 Demonations when His Last Prayers were For His People to Be One I have repented,for Not trying to Stop this earlier . EveryTime we Devide His Body again we are stretching His Joints Bones They beat Christ until you could see inside His Back and We continue to Keep those open by Dividing .
Dwayne, you seem like a sincere man, and, I too, hurt for you guys in KC. You said, "You had no idea what you were getting into." Is it possible that the reason is that clear Biblical guidelines, safeguards, and plain old wisdom are consistently ignored for the sake of what boils down to emotional experiences?
James 4:10 “Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.” Being humble means acknowledging that we are not perfect and that we need God's guidance. It’s recognizing that everything we have is a gift from God. Our accomplishments, talents, and possessions are not solely our own, but rather blessings from above. By acknowledging this, we begin to align our will with God's and rely on his strength rather than our own. Humility doesn’t mean thinking less of yourself, it means thinking of yourself less. Be aware of others around you. Think about their needs over your own. Holy Spirit, make me conscious of people around me. Help me to position my heart and walk humbly. I choose to live without pride and follow your lead. In Jesus’ name, Amen.
I stand with and the advocate group. You are bravely continuing to stand in the midst of this whirlwind of necessary exposure of abuse on so many levels.
Here is what is supposed to happen next….”Do not listen to an accusation against an elder unless it is confirmed by two or three witnesses. But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism.” (1 Tim 5:19-21) No favoritism, just the Word of God telling us what to do next
Bro thank you for this video. It’s hard to tell what the AG intentions are with-all the rhetoric going on over this. The storm of vengeance that has captured so many it seems to appear. This video helps. Maybe the AG can speak to what they deem as healthy and what is not healthy in the dialogue taking place. So many are caught in this web and we need clear leadership from you guys spearheading this. I do believe you all have pure intentions but I also think many have latched onto this and are not handling this with a Christ centric posture. In short, more videos are needed bc this really helps hear your hearts and stance. Thanks again for this.
I think you should be examining whether or not God really wants the prayer room. It's become an idol and no one is asking what God wants, just positioning themselves on one side or another, for or against. Can anyone discern God's heart? Maybe they can't.
This man is being overly apologetic in this video and needs to call things as they are. They need to put MB out of the Church, as the scriptures teach, and move on. It’s apparently gone on long enough.
BobJones’ first meeting MikeBickle on 3.07.1983 shared FourThings God told him to tell Mike. The final Forth accurately describes what IHOP KC has recently been experiencing. “ 4. Oh man, There is going to be TROUBLE when thing gets off the ground. TROUBLE! TROUBLE! TROUBLE! But the Lord says He will see you (IHOP-KC) through it.”
Y’all are very intolerant of the wickedness of others, or rather your perceived wickedness of others…but are you this intolerant to your own wickedness? It doesn’t appear so because I have never seen 99% of people who do these videos about another minister do a video about themsevles and the skeletons in their closets with the same scrutinity. I won't watch any video unless these guys scrutinize themselves with the same measure and do as many videos about themselves as they do about another brother in Christ and ministry. And Yes Mike is our brother in Christ despite the reflection of many of the church abandoning him. Jesus doesn't abandon like they are abandoning Mike. Has He ever done you that way? No...so why are we doing this to others on both ends of the situation. Anyhow, Everyone needs faithful love at this time that reflects Jesus heart. You can never change these words from Jesus “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly.” Matthew 7:1-5
The teachings that people are praying from, that have initiated and designed IHOP prayer need to be reevaluated. If a man will use God’s name (falsely) for personal gain all his teaching is questionable in my mind. We want to pray from truth to the God of Truth. Not pray from false to the God of Truth.
9 times out of 10, when I visited ihopkc, MB preached 1 of 3 messages: the history of ihopkc, prayer, or end times/return of Christ. He was so redundant, I tended to tune a lot of it out. There was nothing that seemed in error unless you don't believe the narrative and prophesies of the history of ihopkc.
@@RCGWho First I want to say to you I am so sorry for these things sincere believers are facing now (because of choices others made). I am deeply saddened by what has happened. I am very skeptical of the prophetic history. One of the things that bothers me is all of the claims that cannot be vetted. If someone teaches from the Bible I have a Bible I can study (Berean), but when someone claims supernatural experiences that only he/she had I have no way to confirm or deny. I wasn’t there and there is no higher authority for accountability (unless God intervenes). This makes it easy to deceive people. To make up things to say. There are other factors also. There are vain imaginations, delusions and familiar spirits that can masquerade as supernatural experiences. If MB gave his intended targets false prophecies I cannot be sure that any of his prophecies are true. If he used prophecies for manipulation, then at least in my mind all his prophecies are questionable. I would encourage people to do a personal, topical Bible study on false prophets. To pray and study and begin to get familiar with false prophets, motivations, character.
Omygosh - if anyone knows you just the tiniest bit they know your heart was not to tear down the house of prayer! I hate that circumstances are such you feel you need to clarify that point.
It’s been very disappointing to see the lack of grace demonstrated how both side handle the situation. Take your pain, anger and disappointment to God, don’t take it to the public plateform seeking validation and stir up more hatred. It sounds like you’ve been fighting the battle your way and not from a place where you’ve sought after God’s heart. It’s not your job to expose and convict sin, to make someone confess and/or repent. Nor can you bring healing and restoration by pointing fingers. The God I know don’t speak the way you have been communicating to the public - lacking love and filled with negative emotion and disappointment. The God I know has met me with kindness and grace in my darkest time and the most shameful moment. He reminds me of my identity and how He made me despite of my failure. He corrects out of love, not disappointment. What Mike did was inexcusable, but forgivable. I don’t know what you want to see from him, a public/personal apology? A confession of everything he’s ever done? A greater public humiliation as if he hasn’t been through enough? His reputation is ruined. God will bring justice and judgement to everyone in the end. Your video only brought more pain to the situation, not the other way around.
I tottally forgot I put this out 3 years ago concering what is happening right now in the Church - ruclips.net/video/NVsydrEOo3s/видео.htmlsi=J1DHFtagc8z9xX5H
I have to stop and thank you for lighting the match that caused the arrogant leadership to fear God. If anything that you know about does not get revealed, I hope that you reveal it. And I don’t want to see this man run away with a financial empire, built on seduction, lies and betrayal. everyone’s screaming about a third-party investigation, but it had better include wresting control of property and money from Mike Bickle. Until that money is dealt with, he still has power. But Jesus is Lord and God is not mocked. I trust in him. He is able to humble the pride of men.
How could all you guys be there 20 years andPreach from the same podium and Talk about the same Prophrts as real and Hindsight everyone sees 20/20 Allen Brian , wes ,Sorry no one had 0 Discernment ?Now eems everyone there now saw something ? I would Have to take some responsibility ?I heard you all Preach from that Potium .When i ask about The Prophetic Stories i was Told It was all Documented ? Thank For Being Honest Many people should Repent .
Seems a bit parodoxical here... Dwayne and other leaders have been there from the beginning. With Mike all the way then-suddenly they know/saw the Jane Does? ?
@@laurie9993Jane Does just came forward late last year and others recently. This can happen from trauma from abuse. First Jane Doe realized after watching documentary regarding B. Cosby victims what had happened to her years ago. People who are Trauma care experts will tell you this can happen
We believe you, Dwayne. Personally, I believe the unexpected, prophesied meteor appearing at the beginning was a real sign from God and a major confirmation that 24/7 prayer was a call from God. However, God gave a lot of space for MB to repent and he did not for many years. The mantle for the IHOP vision for KC and the world has already been passed to others, so 24/7 prayer will continue. The roots at IHOP have become so evil and must be uprooted entirely. There is no other way. God's redemptive purpose for the demise of IHOP-KC will be that the FEAR OF THE LORD will fall on many in the church like never before. Many will DEPART from evil. Hallelujah! This is God's true love ❤️ Until this happens, let us learn to love each other more in His pure love. Amen 🙏
Follow the MONEY of all the leaders of IHOP especially Mick Bickle. Where has all the money been used??? Timothy 6:10 to be: For the love of money is the root of all of evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
EXCLUSIVE: Candid Conversation with Eric Volz about IHOPKC: ruclips.net/video/ZYJ87K3nk1M/видео.html As far as I'm concerned there have been far too much online gossip and slander by many people. I believe you have sinned and are guilty of spreading gossip.
Listen, you have been obedient to stand shoulder to shoulder with our Lord as He has exposed this travesty. He is the one that is overturning the money changers and the tables…….. NOT YOU. Thank you for all you have done . Thank you.
Most of you people with the comments are such hypocrites. List all your sins here. I dare you! We are all sinners. None of you are better than anyone else.
I’m tired of Christian lingo, I’m not tired of the word of God. It’s just over and over the same thing again and again lots of words that sound good but have no substance.
And since when Christians engage secular lawyers to settle dispute (I guess) with other 'Christians'? Hallelujah! BTW, that prayer of 5M people back in last spring didn't help much Israel. What an irony!
Your heart is beautiful as are the hearts of the other former leaders. Too much going on under one label, the AG. 1). Concern that Mike comes clean and gets his heart right 2) Concern for the state of IHOPKC and it's future 3) Indeed, lawyers get paid by winning lawsuits. 30-40%, I believe. Concern for the JDs in terms of guilt, victimization, and the balancing of forgiveness and restitution. I know people would like to pretend the holy Spirit wouldn't say, 'no, don't do that, no, no, bad idea...'. Doesn't lessen the offense against them. Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? 1 Cor 6:1 So OK, the lawyer is in the business of restitution.
So why don't you do a video about your errors and mistakes throughout the years of your ministry going all the way back 20 years ago? This is ridiculous. Ya'll all on this bandwagon against Mike and alot of you have unforgiveness in your heart towards him and offense. And here is what is sad...Jesus will restore and forgive Mike for any wrong he did or whatever when he repents to God just like we all need to and get forgiveness from God when we repent! REMEMBER THIS - The Blood of Jesus is for Pastors and leaders too!!! Hello????? Its crazy because ya'll full of biterrness and unforgiveness against Mike and if you don't get that out of your heart you will go to Hell for it and all the while Jesus forgives when there was confession. Ya'll are on dangerous grounds.
It was never the heart of the AG to tear this place down, like you said so well. I have to say that those of us who have been watching that when Tammy's story came out I said in my heart this is enough, there is too much wickedness and it should be closed. The ELT sowing doubt about these woman and their stories has been crushing and can only imagine how JD1 has suffered again. Thank you Dwayne for doing what was right.
Thank you Dwayne for showing us how you thirst for attention!
The prayer movement does not need IHOP. I think that is the first truth IHOP should swallow. That belief is egotistical. The prayer movement belongs to God and exists in the heart of the believer. Thanks Dwayne for your bravery. I'm so proud of Jane Doe, so proud you have stood up on her behalf.
Your Openion God Dosent any of Us ? so spekking For God is Risky .
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Right so how many churches do you know of that even have a prayer meeting where ppl pray? I'm talking about an actual prayer service where the service is just devoted to prayer? How about absolutely none. You cant name one. I no of one at a calvary chapel & it's weak. There is no prayer movement at any of these other churches-your dreaming
@@justinchamberlain3443 you are absolutely wrong. I have been a part of a church where we had weekly prayer meetings and moved in the gifts of the spirit as a church very regularly. Every single service had prophetic worship, and allowed people to come share on the mic with their were believing God was speaking to the church. It is possible and it does happen, and just because you don’t know of these smaller congregations doesn’t mean it’s not true.
Dwayne, I can only imagine the pain you and the rest of the advocate group (families included) have experienced through this time. And the price you have paid to stand with the Jane Does. Prayers for all.
So I said Dwayne and AG have done a good job, they destroy IHOP and MB and end-time prayer movement. are you happy now?@@kimmymcbride4722
So I said Dwayne and AG have done a good job, they destroy IHOP and MB and end-time prayer movement. are you happy now?@@kimmymcbride4722
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His pain comes from a boil that is overgrown from his huge ego.
Dwayne, if ihopkc is eventually brought down it will in NO WAY be your fault. If ihopkc is shut down it will be solely because of the wickedness and evil that Bickle & the ELT have perpetrated, and then covered up.
Make no mistake, this exposure is ultimately coming from God. He simply will not allow wickedness to be done in Jesus' name without consequences. His name is too precious to Him.
And everyone who spoke from The same podium for 20 years Preaching and Agreeing about The same prophets who Hind Sight is now 20/20 All Must Repent They all came out of IHOP and Unlike God you do not decide who gets a Pass ? There is not a Church on earth that does not need To repent for Deviding The Body of Christ into Thousands of Denomations ,We all Need To Repent The last Thing Jesus Prayed For His BODY to Become one .not Thousands, Most people can't even see The curse God has them under.Illusion's mean you are not aware Thausands of Demonations are Sure They have The Real Truth .
Sorry all former ELT are responsible. These are lessons on how not to handle alleged sexual abuse. Follow the Word! All ELT former and present are equally responsible. No repentance for false victims! You hurt these women! Stop blaming everyone else
Satan is working through Dwayne! I hope God brings his ego down!
Most of us who were not even in KC, we were heavily influenced by what was happening in KC with Bickle, Cain, and Jones.
I was in the Vineyard movement starting in the late 80's and all through the time that the prophets were brought in, and for many years afterwards. We were exposed to some very bad doctrine and prophetic misuse. I had utmost respect for Bickle.
Now so many people are having to re-evaluate our beliefs and examine how we allowed ourselves to be so misled. Much work to do before the Lord and in the Word.
Thankfully I moved on to a much less charismatic church a few years ago, and have gotten back into the Word and have already questioned some things. But not everyone has yet had a chance to do so, and they need support as they begin to sort out what is and isn't real. My heart goes out to the interns who are still at IHOPKC, especially the international students who have few options to leave.
Everyone needs prayers now. And even Mike and those who covered for him need to be restored to Jesus, even though they have disqualified themselves from ministry.
This right here! This is exactly where many of us are at. May He finish what He started in us.
Thanks for saying this. I just came to that realization myself recently. I'm from the West Coast and was exposed to a lot of it because of ministries I frequented besides my home church at the time. It's a lot to examine and unravel from my own history.
Our family has received profound and accurate prophecies in the US and abroad. The gifts are real. Keep doing hard thinking... it's easy to just shut down.
We have similar Vineyatd backgrounds. The prophetic movement within spurred me on to stir up spiritual gifts. Our words were weighed, we were continually encouraged and rarely put to shame. So thankful I was discipled in spiritual gifts in a safe, responsible, disciplined way.
THANK YOU to you and all the other leaders in the advocate group who have taken a principled but courageous stand for truth and with the victims. Especially after watching the ELT’s slow and tepid response over the past four months, we are SO APPRECIATIVE that all of you stood so solidly and advocated for the victims. From the videos you put out it seemed like it took most of you a few months to really be able to fully grasp and be fully convinced of what MB had done. It seems like the ELT is finally beginning to understand what happened, my guess is that it has also taken them a few months to be able to come to grasp with the truth - am praying that their actions will prove this true.
I do believe that we are in the end of the end times, and we have been warned as a body of Christ that we are going to be facing increasing deception and false prophets the closer to the end we get, and that many will fall away. I think that something redemptive that may come out of this is that some of you will be able to look back and analyze what happened and how so many of you were deceived in MB - that what you learn will be able to strengthen and enlighten the body of Christ in how to recognize and not fall prey to the deceivers that are coming.
I have heard several testimonies from IHOPers and from the women who shared from the advocate group that Bickle was the LAST person they would have suspected, some even said it was NOT POSSIBLE, and I am wondering how it was that he had so many thoroughly convinced of his innocence/godliness - what he did or said that created that facade.
Dr. Jeckle /Mr. Hyde.....two people !!!!!
Mike Bickle was the last person I would have thought capable of any of this.....but he must have believed some of his own lies . I have known some pretty good liars, but Mike is the greatest one I have ever known....preaching such real insights to the Lord, and His heart and word....and lying through his teeth at the same time. Truly heartbreaking when you trust and love who you believe is your brother in Christ.
@@diane8907 Deceiving and being deceived, as Paul said. Can I ask what made you realize you had been lied to?
In some of the testimonies and even defenses I have read or listened too, I was struck by the number of times his behavior was described as “quirky” or odd, and some people dismissed it then saying “that’s just Mike…” - like playing footsie under the table, or tousling people’s hair - there seemed to be a bit of playful, “innocent”, childlike physical overfamiliarity, and doing it all out in the open so everyone would assume it WAS innocent and childlike - just wondering if you noticed this too? Do you think retrospectively he was trying to push people’s physical boundaries?
For me, reading the email that he sent to Jane Doe’s husband removed any doubt that I had - it felt strange to read someone else’s correspondence, but I felt it was necessary to determine the truth of the accusations so I was glad it was released - did you ever see that side of Mike, or was that Mike totally hidden from you?
I think he was such a master at painting emotional and engaging pictures with words when he talked about certain subjects. It was mesmerizing and enchanting.
I think people thought no one with love for Jesus to those depths would be capable of doing things like he's done.
I remember my former Pastor would do abusive, odd or innapropriate things and we would just excuse it. Saying things just like people at IHOP, "Oh that's just PG." Later, after I left there and had some healing under my belt I realized how crazy that was! That church was cult-like much like IHOP. Very authoritarian and don't question leadership or what they're doing.
To address the innappropriate physical stuff he did: Perpetrators commonly do that, pushing the physical boundries to desensitize the targets so when they really do assault you you don't realize how wrong it is. I hope I'm wording that in an understandable way.
I was groomed and assaulted that way. The last thing he did was strangle me...
It really upset and angered me when I saw the pictures of MB grabbing young women by the neck.
I know in my case, I was not the only one.
@@myramoir4056 You brought out another commonality I noticed, that people often said “He really loves Jesus”. I think Francis Chan used those words too. Do you know why people said that of Mike, how he convinced people of it? Was it something he often said of himself? It just struck me how many people said that specific phrase about him, (as opposed to other things they could have said like “he really knows God.”)
Thank you all you have risked and thank you for this video. I am looking forward to all that you hope happens and all of us unpacking and untangling what Mike has sown in all of our lives.
We are all with you and your wife Dwayne. You did the right thing. I attended IHOPKC for 20 years and saw nefarious things about MB that corroborated with the story. We will be blameless in front of the great judgement seat because we didn't engage in cover up of sins.
You saw nefarious "things", but didn't speak up and continued to attend??!!!
@@bowzerthedog1130 says who I currently go to IHOPKC?
20 years and stayed silent until now? Just jump on the bandwagon huh? What a jok!
@@tonyd6925 you're a joke without knowing how to spell "joke".
Lots of people don't engage in exposure until years later. Hack, there are husbands don't have a clue about their wives' past. How old are you?
I'm grateful you've shared this brother 🙏
Bless you, Dwayne. Thank you for staying the course and standing for justice and righteousness and truth
Love rejoices in truth. You are an honourable & noble brother. Blessings to you & your family & fellow brothers / sisters.
Dwayne Roberts I appreciate your sincerity but what you propose is practically impossible. What is the name on every deed of property? Who is the name at the bottom of the record company, the publishing house, the gas and oil exploration company that nobody knew about? Who is the name on the title deed of the building of the prayer room? Even if he pretends that you get him out of office, have you defeated him economically?As long as he wins economically, he has won.The prayer room never was yours until you get all of that property stocks, money out of his narcissistic, hellish control. There are many bodies on the floor. There will be more. Follow the money. We are not dealing with Christians. We are dealing with wolves. They don’t play nice. A forensic accountant is called for. Stop calling for a third-party investigation and turn this matter over to professional investigators who will be able to sue him in court and challenge him for fraud, massive fraud. He belongs in prison. You may not like that, but it is the truth .
I challenge your view of the situation. It is a not a shame if international House of prayer closes down. The Lord God Almighty, is not in need of rapists, pedophiles and their enablers in order to get the fallen tabernacle of David rebuilt on the Earth. I personally believe he would scorn to use an organization that dealt in such satanic evil, and with the congregation, that deliberately and consistently turned its face away from the victims in favor of the perpetrator. This is an outrageous crime, and we are paying for it. I personally hope that it all comes down. But if the Lord decides that it go down to a holy lump, and that every perpetrator be booted out, and that in the humble beginnings it start again that’s up to him. Meanwhile, the movement of prayer goes forward across the Earth. Sin is not necessary to the plan of the Lord. There’s been too much pride on this point. God does not need international house of prayer. Open every drawer. From the labyrinthine triple locked office of horrors that was Mike pickles to every financial investment that allowed him to buy private homes and apartments for his concubines. Open every account expose it all to the light. And then let the Lord have his way. Anything else is a cover-up. No more.
Winning? This isn't a money competition, or is it? In all likelihood the wonen are set to sue, that's why they've retained a lawyer. If Mike personally has deep pockets, they'll clean him out, if not, they'll come for ihopkc assets. The ones who have personal knowledge of these assets are the AG.
If a serious all encompassing investigation would discover what you think it would discover, for sure the Body of Christ would be a lot wiser when it comes to recognizing deceivers and false prophets. Such wisdom and discernment is surely what we need more of in these days.
When you run IHOP as a business;these are the results. There is no discernment because you use God as a foible and man is in control. Having false Prophets lay the prophetic foundation for this work brings it to a work of man and not of God. That doesn't mean there wasn't some good things happening;for even in Joel Osteen"s group good things have happened. That doesn't equate to an established Church. If an individual attending IHOP had done what Mike Bickle has done he or she would be immediately dismissed or perhaps criminal charges would of been brought forth. Anyway what you're looking at in IHOP is a functioning business taking advantage of tax laws available to CHURCHES.
They can’t defeat him, economically. No one can. Thats not “victory”. Many who follow the world or Satan, openly, are the wealthiest people in society. It’s not about the wealth. It’s about the world knowing he’s a wolf. Vindicating the victims.
It must be so sad for so many people who sacrificed their youth and health to build the vision of one man, and so many of them got divorces, children backslided and wanting nothing to do with Jesus. Many of the staff that go through the house of prayer get backslided, and many of the students don’t want to attend church anymore after going through the house of prayer, many of them because they don’t know how to have a prayer life and how to relate to the Bible outside of the prayer room. How many got depression? How many sacrificed their future. So many are grieving and in denial, because they truly sacrificed their lives and families because the ministry American Dream, and all of that because Mike Bickle was godliest man we thought we knew. It’s just heart breaking.
Build the vision of a man!! You've said it!
Years ago, that came to me that people were sowing their lives into Mike's vision.
Wow, Mike was set down from access to IHOP back in October. He confessed, he did it. He is out of ministry. His reputation is forever ruined.He will be sued, maybe sentenced to a prison term. It now looks like the AG is looking for a public scourging and hanging. The guy sinned, eventually got caught and likely does not have a friend left in the world. What are you all looking to squeeze out of this pitiful brother? Is the AG group going to drag him out of his house put him on the rack and torture a full and complete confession, one that they are satisfied with? Dwayne, I love you, but how do your recent actions help the church?
They've passed beyond righteousness into stirring a lynch mob and have caused thousands who were never even in an Ihop prayer meeting to murder a man in public. This is no way for the church to treat one another. The AC group proved their point when Dwayne released his accusation publicly the day after IHOP announced this devastating news to their staff. He could not wait to take his claims to the world. Why? Everyone says that their 'heart is pure', but the heart is deceitfully wicked and who can know it? No-one knew who Dwayne was outside of IHOP, he's burned that bridge now
and has made a name for himself among those who have waited for decades to burn IHOP to the ground. Lord have mercy.
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Dwayne, we are awake. We see through MB at this point. He is accusing others of exactly what he has done. We've seen this tactic play out on the national stage in the political realm. Now we're seeing the same tactics (probably the same spirits) in the charismatic realm. Thank you for speaking out. Thank you for your pastoral concern.
I am so extremely grateful for what you and Jennifer have done for the sake of the many victims in Mike Bickle's wake.
😊 Praying for you and your family. I always wondered if you have ever seen any of my videos? Allen and Rachel said they have seen many of them. I will continue to do updates until the full exposure of the reprehensible actions of IHOPKC ELT and Mike Bickle.
OK I haven’t watched this video yet but I’m going to right now. I’m on my street outreach right now here in Canada. Wanted to Send you a quick comment. 🇨🇦🙏
Our hope is in the Lord blessings
I am in the UK. I've been watching Mike Bickle for years and was fully invested in his "ministry"😔
When everything began to come out I, initially, didn't believe it and even commented on Steve Strang's YT vid (that he put out in defense of MB) that I believed Jane Doe 1 was lying. I subsequently removed my comment as I was reminded that women very, very, very rarely report abuse and, when they do so, it must be investigated. Upon this, I gave her the benefit of doubt.
I was devastated to find out that JD1 (and, later, the other JDs) was telling the truth😥 It is so hard to wrap my head around. I told my husband that I feel like a victim of spiritual abuse. My hubby doesn't understand as he never watched MB. I suppose this is how the supporters of Ravi Zacharias must feel?
I am gutted to know how easily deceived, gullible and undiscerning I am. Me who has been in Jesus nearly 40 years.
What the Lord has pointed out to me is how little I actually read my Bible, and I haven't really studied it for years, because I've been depending on MB and other Ministries to feed me. I printed out a couple of MB's handouts but I never once looked up the Scripture refs and examined them to see if they aligned with what was being taught. Not once. Just lazy🙁
There's a video of John Mulinde giving his testimony on YT. It has more than 1 million views. It's - A Pastor Has A Chilling Encounter With Jesus Himself, Who Delivers An Urgent Message! - When I watched it last year June, I noticed that he was at IHOPKC! I wonder if John knew what was going on at IHOPKC when he was giving his testimony💁🏾♀️ It's strange how relevant his testimony was to MB and nobody knew it💯
Thank you for standing up for JD1 and her (ex?)husband. You are also standing up for many nameless and faceless people (like me) that you will never meet💥🔥🇬🇧
Men and their kingdoms... SO much more damage has been done through social media outlets like this....Just live a quiet life and mind your own business. I believe that's the Bible.
Dwyane.....the answer is MB has been since the 80's......a very good....Dr. Heckle / Mr. Hyde in the church. We must TEST EVERYTHING..
that has been The problem, nobody tests. one side of the denominational divide has accepted everything without question, the other outright rejecting everything, Both disobeying the command to test ......
Thank you for your bravery and noble actions ! Men are to protect women and children!
Thank you Dwayne. You are standing up for truth and righteousness. The controversy around Mike is shocking in and of itself, but what is even more is how many choose to stand with darkness and deception. Let it all come to light!
IHOP will eventually close. Simple question: If you have a daughter who loves the Lord, would you confidently send her there? That's why. God's people praying has always been many hundred times bigger than IHOP. Full stop.
I have been studying the Old Testament, so I can't help but wonder what the God of the Old Testament would have done with a place that was said to be honoring Him, yet there were all manner of idol worship (Bickle and others), lies, sexual fornication, false prophecies, false signs and wonders, false worship, secret sins, and appararently more.
What would the old TRUE prophets have said? What would the God of the Old Testament have done?
I'm afraid He would have brought out a remnant of true believers and completely destroyed everything else. Let's face it. The Holy God of heaven wasn't there. How could He be?
Scary thought.
God is never changing. I’ve been with IHOP for the past year and I can assure you that the severity of the situation is well understood by a sweeping majority of folks. If you ever spoke to anybody here, especially those on night watch, you would be encountered with a precious body of believers who adore, proclaim the beauty of, and worship king Jesus. The hope for everyone here is for repentance, the reverence, awe, and wonder of God to be multiplied and the glory of the ALMIGHTY to fill the room like it never has before. Isn’t that what it’s all about? Experiential understanding of the presence of the one true living God? Shalom peace
MB is sick. I hope he gets the help he needs.
You absolutely did the right thing!!!!!
Our prayer is that all the false minister be exposed ...
We are praying for all you ♥
Advocate Group - 'All IHOP leaders are bad people because they wanna talk to attorneys'...meanwhile, behind closed doors, the advocate group has been talking to... you guessed it, an attorney. Now, this attorney (Boz) wants to destroy IHOPKC and shake IHOPKC down for cash. Agree, Mike is guilty and this needs to be accounted for. But Boz has lost all my trust. Agree w Dwayne that confession, repentance and healing should be the goal.
Brother come on...
There's plenty of men that also need to confront and expose their sin of admiration and idolatry of men that call themselves prophets, and they were/are not.
It seems Bickle is truly guilty of these things, but there are men that sat under such warped and manipulative teaching for years and never stepped or spoke up...and even now aren't. Yes, for the women, but not for using the word of God deceitfully.
IHOP was built off of some perverse decievers. Paul cain, Bob Jones,..Mike all had a history that anyone could have investigated but the seduction of the supernatural overode the need to protect others from wolves.
And yes they were and are wolves.
what about Rick Joyner and James Goll? Shouldn't they be included in the list of perverse deceivers? Is anyone investigating them?
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Totally agree.
And to be honest, the list will go on from there...
These filthy dreamers are a massive problem. I hope that folks will examine why and how they got duped and begin to discern these false shepherds. I believe God is using this to wake His people up.
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Totally agree.
And the list could go on from there...
Bickle was the most respectable out of that whole group. And that's what's sad and I guess it's just the power of 2cor11:13-15 satans servants can be "false apostles of Christ" and "ministers of righteousness". Bill Johnson needs to be thrown into the trash can along w/ the whole Toronto blessing group which includes Copeland. Not to say macarthur or that crowd is much better. Everybody is greedy for gain. But for the model charismatic movement Bickle was the gold standard, which is sad. He taught jn13-17 better than anyone else I've heard. He was 1000x more biblically solid than Joyner or Johnson or baker. This is a major crossroads
Thanks for standing for the truth!
How has Mike Bickle sown confusion? I think he posted like one statement but the AG has been very visible and very vocal.
By the lies from the many messages he has preached. I have caught him in many, and having known MB years ago, ....he has sown GREAT confusion
@@diane8907 I am not sure your comment answers my question above but in regards to who is teaching lies etc etc each person would have to seek The Lord on that.
By manipulating from the pulpit. His last 2 sermons are obvious confusion sowing tactics
Praying for all the Victims. All the Jane Does. The Victims must be front and centre. Praying for all the Victims.
Thank you for taking the stand.
His threats tells me he has a weak case.
Dwayne , thank you for yours and Jennifer’s work in supporting your friend (Jane Doe) and the others who have been victims from the IHOPKC ministry, and taking a stand for integrity and truth for the sake of Healing thru repentance and desiring reconciliation as much as is possible. I worked at Higher Grounds for a couple years and remember the fruit of the Spirit’s work in your life during the awakening and being convicted of loving the other image bearers in front of you. I felt that and wanted to let you know that it has impacted me as a sign of true repentance and growth. Grace & Peace brother.
Thank you brother. From the very beginning, we saw your intentions that were upright. We truly understand your upright intentions. I see no need to try to explain it. As one man said, "Your friends don't need an explanation and your enemies won't believe you no matter what."
Just forgive Mike !
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Here's the goal line: "It’s time to take whatever monies are left & put them into a fund for those whose lives have been wrecked by a place that claims to love Jesus so much it prays to him 24/7. The praying hasn’t worked. It’s just made IHOPKC more pious in defending the indefensible. It’s time.” QUOTE*** Boz Tchividjian*** attorney (Let the shakedown begin. ETA: IM NOT A FAN OF LITIGIOUS PEOPLE.)
Dwayne…. you are a good man and God loves you. Thank you for your honesty and the truth, you have shown. Just continue to do what God tells you to do then you’ll be OK. Thank you for your boldness. No one else wanted to do it Kim Bickle, Pat Bickle’s wife.
Do not let the tactics of the enemy stop Int'l House of Prayer from continuing Praying, fasting, repenting, praise and worship to the King of Kings who deserve all the honor and glory! Why should all those young men and women who has a HEART TO PRAY be punished because of one Man's sin--M.B.! Praying M.B will publically repent of his immorality!!
joyintheholyspirit your comments are good but too late. What about the many victims of not only MB but the toxic culture at IHOp???
@@denalowry8710 "Did you see the last sentence that I mentioned that M.B. would repent of immorality? He has hurt so many innocent individuals by his manipulation, lies, etc. I'm not sure what specific toxic situation that happened at IHOP but that also should be exposed and confronted for sure! I pray for healing, forgiveness, restoration for all the individual victims who were emotionally and physically harmed by M.B. I believe in the POWER OF PRAYER according to Philippians 4:6, Ephesians 6:18, Matthew 6:9-13, and many more scriptures! May our hearts be transformed by Love, Mercy & Grace of God through his son Jesus Christ!
someone wants to Take it Over. Jealousy envy ,Anger resentments .One Angel Killed25,000 People But all , As usual we cannot agree. Every Christian should Repent for Dividing Christ Body into over 30,000 Demonations when His Last Prayers were For His People to Be One I have repented,for Not trying to Stop this earlier . EveryTime we Devide His Body again we are stretching His Joints Bones They beat Christ until you could see inside His Back and We continue to Keep those open by Dividing .
Dwayne, you seem like a sincere man, and, I too, hurt for you guys in KC. You said, "You had no idea what you were getting into." Is it possible that the reason is that clear Biblical guidelines, safeguards, and plain old wisdom are consistently ignored for the sake of what boils down to emotional experiences?
James 4:10 “Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.”
Being humble means acknowledging that we are not perfect and that we need God's guidance. It’s recognizing that everything we have is a gift from God. Our accomplishments, talents, and possessions are not solely our own, but rather blessings from above. By acknowledging this, we begin to align our will with God's and rely on his strength rather than our own.
Humility doesn’t mean thinking less of yourself, it means thinking of yourself less. Be aware of others around you. Think about their needs over your own.
Holy Spirit, make me conscious of people around me. Help me to position my heart and walk humbly. I choose to live without pride and follow your lead. In Jesus’ name, Amen.
If IHOP is truly from God, no man can tear it down.
I stand with and the advocate group. You are bravely continuing to stand in the midst of this whirlwind of necessary exposure of abuse on so many levels.
How no one in IHOP knew about this is beyond me. IM BEYOND DONE WITH IHOP AND ANYTHING THAT IS CONNECTED TO IT.
The problem is the NAR teaching! Stop teaching nonsense and see what God will do!!!!
Here is what is supposed to happen next….”Do not listen to an accusation against an elder unless it is confirmed by two or three witnesses. But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism.” (1 Tim 5:19-21)
No favoritism, just the Word of God telling us what to do next
Bro thank you for this video. It’s hard to tell what the AG intentions are with-all the rhetoric going on over this. The storm of vengeance that has captured so many it seems to appear. This video helps. Maybe the AG can speak to what they deem as healthy and what is not healthy in the dialogue taking place. So many are caught in this web and we need clear leadership from you guys spearheading this. I do believe you all have pure intentions but I also think many have latched onto this and are not handling this with a Christ centric posture. In short, more videos are needed bc this really helps hear your hearts and stance. Thanks again for this.
I have a question? Is it possible for someone to be a Man of God/be used by God and still on occasion be overcome with gross besetting sins?
Good question because a high percentage are addicted to porn. Visual for men and written word porn (erotic adult fiction) for women.
Dwayne, you and Jenn continue to be in my prayers. I am with you both.
Thank you, Dwayne.
I think you should be examining whether or not God really wants the prayer room. It's become an idol and no one is asking what God wants, just positioning themselves on one side or another, for or against. Can anyone discern God's heart? Maybe they can't.
This man is being overly apologetic in this video and needs to call things as they are. They need to put MB out of the Church, as the scriptures teach, and move on. It’s apparently gone on long enough.
Thank you for the work you have done! ❤❤❤
BobJones’ first meeting MikeBickle on 3.07.1983 shared FourThings God told him to tell Mike.
The final Forth accurately describes what IHOP KC has recently been experiencing.
“ 4. Oh man, There is going to be TROUBLE when thing gets off the ground.
TROUBLE! TROUBLE! TROUBLE! But the Lord says He will see you (IHOP-KC) through it.”
The wrestling is happening. Wait on the Lord. It must be done by the power of God and not man.
God bless you brother🙏🏽
Thank you for speaking truth
Bickle is gone..sliker is gone..stuart is gone
I'm praying for you all. 🙏
Y’all are very intolerant of the wickedness of others, or rather your perceived wickedness of others…but are you this intolerant to your own wickedness? It doesn’t appear so because I have never seen 99% of people who do these videos about another minister do a video about themsevles and the skeletons in their closets with the same scrutinity. I won't watch any video unless these guys scrutinize themselves with the same measure and do as many videos about themselves as they do about another brother in Christ and ministry. And Yes Mike is our brother in Christ despite the reflection of many of the church abandoning him. Jesus doesn't abandon like they are abandoning Mike. Has He ever done you that way? No...so why are we doing this to others on both ends of the situation. Anyhow, Everyone needs faithful love at this time that reflects Jesus heart.
You can never change these words from Jesus
“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly.” Matthew 7:1-5
The teachings that people are praying from, that have initiated and designed IHOP prayer need to be reevaluated.
If a man will use God’s name (falsely) for personal gain all his teaching is questionable in my mind.
We want to pray from truth to the God of Truth. Not pray from false to the God of Truth.
9 times out of 10, when I visited ihopkc, MB preached 1 of 3 messages: the history of ihopkc, prayer, or end times/return of Christ. He was so redundant, I tended to tune a lot of it out. There was nothing that seemed in error unless you don't believe the narrative and prophesies of the history of ihopkc.
@@RCGWho First I want to say to you I am so sorry for these things sincere believers are facing now (because of choices others made). I am deeply saddened by what has happened.
I am very skeptical of the prophetic history. One of the things that bothers me is all of the claims that cannot be vetted. If someone teaches from the Bible I have a Bible I can study (Berean), but when someone claims supernatural experiences that only he/she had I have no way to confirm or deny. I wasn’t there and there is no higher authority for accountability (unless God intervenes). This makes it easy to deceive people. To make up things to say. There are other factors also. There are vain imaginations, delusions and familiar spirits that can masquerade as supernatural experiences.
If MB gave his intended targets false prophecies I cannot be sure that any of his prophecies are true. If he used prophecies for manipulation, then at least in my mind all his prophecies are questionable.
I would encourage people to do a personal, topical Bible study on false prophets. To pray and study and begin to get familiar with false prophets, motivations, character.
A definitive statement would be that the Word of God is sufficient and there is no extra Biblical revelation needed.
Thanks for your courage
I want to honor you and your wife, sir. You all lost SO MUCH. May God bless you richly for walking with Him in righteousness.
I think it’s time you all stop expressing your opinions… we’re tired of it all and honestly… no one’s listening or even cares
Thank you thank you!!!
Omygosh - if anyone knows you just the tiniest bit they know your heart was not to tear down the house of prayer! I hate that circumstances are such you feel you need to clarify that point.
You're not tearing down but building a pure foundation
It’s been very disappointing to see the lack of grace demonstrated how both side handle the situation. Take your pain, anger and disappointment to God, don’t take it to the public plateform seeking validation and stir up more hatred. It sounds like you’ve been fighting the battle your way and not from a place where you’ve sought after God’s heart. It’s not your job to expose and convict sin, to make someone confess and/or repent. Nor can you bring healing and restoration by pointing fingers. The God I know don’t speak the way you have been communicating to the public - lacking love and filled with negative emotion and disappointment. The God I know has met me with kindness and grace in my darkest time and the most shameful moment. He reminds me of my identity and how He made me despite of my failure. He corrects out of love, not disappointment. What Mike did was inexcusable, but forgivable. I don’t know what you want to see from him, a public/personal apology? A confession of everything he’s ever done? A greater public humiliation as if he hasn’t been through enough? His reputation is ruined. God will bring justice and judgement to everyone in the end. Your video only brought more pain to the situation, not the other way around.
The smoker should not be against the wall. 😮
I tottally forgot I put this out 3 years ago concering what is happening right now in the Church - ruclips.net/video/NVsydrEOo3s/видео.htmlsi=J1DHFtagc8z9xX5H
You and AG destroy the end-time prayer movement. Good Job.
I don't know what your true intent is, but I know Satan surely love what you and AG have done to IHOP and Mike Bickle. Good Job.
Oh no, what will we do without IHOP and the endless visions, dreams and false prophets who prey on teenage girls!
Man stop.
So I said Dwayne and AG have done a good job, they destroy IHOP and MB and end-time prayer movement. are you happy now?@@samulmagnus1
So I said Dwayne and AG have done a good job, they destroy IHOP and MB and end-time prayer movement. are you happy now?@@samulmagnus1
I have to stop and thank you for lighting the match that caused the arrogant leadership to fear God. If anything that you know about does not get revealed, I hope that you reveal it. And I don’t want to see this man run away with a financial empire, built on seduction, lies and betrayal. everyone’s screaming about a third-party investigation, but it had better include wresting control of property and money from Mike Bickle. Until that money is dealt with, he still has power. But Jesus is Lord and God is not mocked. I trust in him. He is able to humble the pride of men.
🙏🏻🙏🏻
How could all you guys be there 20 years andPreach from the same podium and Talk about the same Prophrts as real and Hindsight everyone sees 20/20 Allen Brian , wes ,Sorry no one had 0 Discernment ?Now eems everyone there now saw something ? I would Have to take some responsibility ?I heard you all Preach from that Potium .When i ask about The Prophetic Stories i was Told It was all Documented ? Thank For Being Honest Many people should Repent .
Seems a bit parodoxical here... Dwayne and other leaders have been there from the beginning. With Mike all the way then-suddenly they know/saw the Jane Does?
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@@laurie9993Jane Does just came forward late last year and others recently. This can happen from trauma from abuse. First Jane Doe realized after watching documentary regarding B. Cosby victims what had happened to her years ago. People who are Trauma care experts will tell you this can happen
We believe you, Dwayne. Personally, I believe the unexpected, prophesied meteor appearing at the beginning was a real sign from God and a major confirmation that 24/7 prayer was a call from God. However, God gave a lot of space for MB to repent and he did not for many years. The mantle for the IHOP vision for KC and the world has already been passed to others, so 24/7 prayer will continue.
The roots at IHOP have become so evil and must be uprooted entirely.
There is no other way.
God's redemptive purpose for the demise of IHOP-KC will be that the FEAR OF THE LORD will fall on many in the church like never before. Many will DEPART from evil. Hallelujah! This is God's true love ❤️
Until this happens, let us learn to love each other more in His pure love. Amen 🙏
thnx
Follow the MONEY of all the leaders of IHOP especially Mick Bickle. Where has all the money been used??? Timothy 6:10 to be: For the love of money is the root of all of evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
EXCLUSIVE: Candid Conversation with Eric Volz about IHOPKC: ruclips.net/video/ZYJ87K3nk1M/видео.html As far as I'm concerned there have been far too much online gossip and slander by many people. I believe you have sinned and are guilty of spreading gossip.
Listen, you have been obedient to stand shoulder to shoulder with our Lord as He has exposed this travesty. He is the one that is overturning the money changers and the tables…….. NOT YOU. Thank you for all you have done . Thank you.
Most of you people with the comments are such hypocrites. List all your sins here. I dare you! We are all sinners. None of you are better than anyone else.
I’m tired of Christian lingo, I’m not tired of the word of God. It’s just over and over the same thing again and again lots of words that sound good but have no substance.
does he seem to be slurring his words to anyone else? on something or is this how he talks all the time?
Is society better or worse after churches started embracing the charismatic style services?
much worse
@@LastDays75 stars for that answer
Brother Dwayne, this is God’s clean up job. Thank you for being willing to do His will. God bless you. 🙏❤️
I find this shady
And since when Christians engage secular lawyers to settle dispute (I guess) with other 'Christians'? Hallelujah! BTW, that prayer of 5M people back in last spring didn't help much Israel. What an irony!
Dwayne can’t get enough of himself so he had to make a video to remind himself how wonderful he is. Egomaniac to the max!
Never questioned yoir m9tives brother.
K I’m u
Your heart is beautiful as are the hearts of the other former leaders.
Too much going on under one label, the AG.
1). Concern that Mike comes clean and gets his heart right
2) Concern for the state of IHOPKC and it's future
3) Indeed, lawyers get paid by winning lawsuits. 30-40%, I believe. Concern for the JDs in terms of guilt, victimization, and the balancing of forgiveness and restitution.
I know people would like to pretend the holy Spirit wouldn't say, 'no, don't do that, no, no, bad idea...'. Doesn't lessen the offense against them.
Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? 1 Cor 6:1
So OK, the lawyer is in the business of restitution.
The irony of you preaching a great falling away and then causing one; lot of new atheists because of the lack of pastoring this.
Mike caused ALL of this, along with those who willingly enabled him. He is responsible for the perversions, lies, fantasies, abuses.
So why don't you do a video about your errors and mistakes throughout the years of your ministry going all the way back 20 years ago? This is ridiculous. Ya'll all on this bandwagon against Mike and alot of you have unforgiveness in your heart towards him and offense. And here is what is sad...Jesus will restore and forgive Mike for any wrong he did or whatever when he repents to God just like we all need to and get forgiveness from God when we repent! REMEMBER THIS - The Blood of Jesus is for Pastors and leaders too!!! Hello????? Its crazy because ya'll full of biterrness and unforgiveness against Mike and if you don't get that out of your heart you will go to Hell for it and all the while Jesus forgives when there was confession. Ya'll are on dangerous grounds.
Your hands are so distracting I cant hear what you are saying. Im out.
Such weird people at ihop - lost and not looking