UNBELIEVABLE!!! My son and I were looking at train videos and this was the third one we clicked on to watch. The description (One way to re-rail a 100 ton loaded coal car from derailment 40' from tracks!) looked interesting and the length perfect for what we wanted to see, a massive re-railment from a de-railment. Imagine our shock when we saw it said Nashua. I didn't think it could be NH. Of the thousands of train videos online, the third one we click on is from our (New) hometown! This happened less than three months before we moved here. Thank you for this video not only for that, but it is definitely one of the best derailment ones I have ever seen! Now, we have to find out where it is from where we are. Just amazing! Thank you!!!
Tanya, thanks for the nice reply and I always a amazed by the "small world syndrome" and in this case. If the link works here is the site of the derailment if you follow the RR tracks and just below the Nashua River above Bridge St. www.google.com/maps/place/Nashua,+NH/@42.7646205,-71.452307,17.5z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e3b0e42dfabf85:0xb6660811428bea55!8m2!3d42.7653662!4d-71.467566 Hope this helps, Rich
@@handsthatcreate Yep, found it! It is two miles from here. I've bought furniture from the store just south of the site. Love that small world thing too. I've noticed a few of your videos are local. Do you live near here as well?
Hi Tanya, I’ve been meaning to ask if you and your son actually go out and watch trains trackside much? If so and you want to railfan sometime I don’t go out much but when I head out to western Massachusetts or even New York for the day you’re welcome to come if it fits your schedule. Let me know, thanks.
What a great video. Love the performance by the men and machines to re-rail that car. What a performance, and that SD40, oh my, what a beautiful sound.
Sorry to be offtopic but does someone know of a way to get back into an Instagram account?? I stupidly lost the password. I appreciate any tips you can offer me!
Great video,very interesting. I once watched a real life team lift and move a de-railed coal car using air bags. They emptied the wagon with what looked like a mobile auger. Once empty it was lifted and moved using great big air bags. It took maybe four hours to do it but a fairly small team did it with no obvious problems. Wish I had filmed it!
we have walked back a derailed locomotive that was approx 40 yards from track using nothing but rail jacks and ties and re railed it. thanks too the old guys who are disappearing quickly for all the tricks
Awesome video, man they got their work cut out for them, would have loved to have watched the entire clean up process, very interesting to see how this stuff is done. Thanks for sharing !.
Thanks and your welcome. Glad so many are enjoying the video as I would've liked to stay for when they got the ones off the trestle but I wanted to go catch some other trains also that day with a tight schedule.
R Clark Thanks Steve, I wish I got more of when they retrieved the ones from the trestle but was there for almost a half of day and didn't have planned even that much time, lol. I tell myself it could've been nothing if they wanted to boot me out at first. Just imagine yourself tucked into a line of shrubs and thicket with a camera and camcorder on a tripod trying to get good views and not be a nuisance as that was me, lol. Glad you enjoyed.
RJ, as you can see if you read my description it says “sideboom” and I made a typo in the film as many spectators call them “sidewinder “ including people there and I stayed with it as they are seen as the same to many. Now, you should research yourself as “dossier” has no place in your comment and maybe you need to see it’s definition 🤓. Those dozers are medium size and certainly not “big ass” as you state seeing the ones I work on are much larger (D-8,D-9, D-10 and TD-25’s). Thanks for viewing.
No doubt every single worker of this crew knew what the heck they were doing. It was like a ballet performing at their best. Synchronized moves to perfection!
Was that the Corman crew? We did a few big jobs with them when I was with Winters Rigging doing derailments. A very dangerous job but a lot of fun too. Everyone must be on their 'A' game. We had 43 cars in the Susquehanna River to fish out of the water in the middle of winter @ 5 below zero. Many loaded propane tankers, coal hoppers, and boxcars. We had to re-lay 12 miles of panels (new track) that got tore up. 24 hr round the clock, 2 -12 hr shifts. Took us 3 days to complete the job. We used 9 semi's, 1 rollback, light plants and generators, 2 side booms, 2 D-9's, 2 crane trucks, a complete repair shop on wheels, trailer full of extra parts and rolls of new winch cables and chains, a fuel truck, our food wagon and plenty of dry gloves, coveralls, boots and dry jackets. It was said that the railroad loses 1 million dollars per hour for every hour the tracks are blocked so time is at the utmost importance next to safety! The good ole days!
No that was Pan Am's / Guilford's own wreck train with a Norfolk Southern person in with the crew as it was one of their coal trains on Pam Am's trackage.
Really appreciate your great work. I'm a Nevada ol boy, like the heat and crave the sun. I could never have even considered going out in the weather the video started with, no matter how mild you northerners you may consider it. I tried to record twice over four hours, but my camera shut down, too hot, 105 degrees by 10 am,, May 27th, so maybe it takes all types. Anyway, thanks for recording this operation.
You haven't seen anything until you've see them rerail a train that derailed in an area where the tracks are so close between buildings you can scarcely turn around. It was barely wide enough for the train to get through and you couldn't use any equipment like that to rerail the derailed cars and/or loco in such an area. Talk about a rerailer nightmare. I saw one like that a long while back, didn't have a camera to film it, but it was really interesting the way they had to move and get those derailed cars out of there and replace the broken tracks and ties {sleepers} in such a cramped, tight space.
Me too, but I was there for the better part of a morning and didn't have planned to be there all day. I'm glad I got what I did but I still wish myself how the trestle part went too. I tell myself it could've been nothing if they wanted to boot me out at first. Just imagine yourself tucked into a line of shrubs and thicket with a camera and camcorder on a tripod trying to get good views and not be a nuisance as that was me, lol. Glad you enjoyed.
I would absolutely LOVE to be on a crew like this, re railing freight cars for the Norfolk Southern, CSX or any other railroad, anything to get freight cars back on their tracks and rolling again and by the way, EXCELLENT video. It’s just ashamed to know that the Industrial Brownhoist cranes had to be scrapped, otherwise they would have come in handy for situations such as these, what would have been the harm in keeping a few of them and re painting them with Norfolk Southern and CSX lettering. Oh well, ya know what they say about hindsight being 20/20.
I agree that these Cat side winder dozers are terrific pieces of recovery equipment when used in the right situation for the right job, i have 2 cat dozers i use for heavy recovery work with massive hyster winches & large ground anchors for winching of realy heavy sunken & bogged machinery.
B.Xoit.Yes there is a counterweight on a short boom on the other side.Plus the winch.The boom can swing down and away increasing the effect.Google Cat pipelayer specs for pictures.
Difficult tedious work in unpleasant conditions. Video could have been half its length but fast forward saved the day. Periodic screen crawlers helped understand what was going on, thanks.
I love the way Corman's crew uses four of the side lift dozers and walks the unit over to good rails. I think it takes six trucks to move move two dozers and associated equipment to a job site. This does not look like Corman's crew.
Had class 66 (JT42CWR ) on ground with no track under it , we did it with MFD jacks and packing .Also layed some track on side on what was left of sleepers and very slowly drove loco on to good track with steel plates and wood packing .Took about 10 hours though They did great job here though and fairy quick did not like the chain they hauled wagon with would been well clear of that could kill if it had broken
Upgrade, lol not with Pam Am/ Guilford unless it's at another ones expense. There seem to be old turnouts and switches buried where the track gave way.
Ya, me too as I was basically in a hedge line of small trees and quickly got a couple branches out of my way and didn't move and hoped they would let me be.... and to my surprise there wasn't a whole lot of other people around.
Real nice video recording R. Clark. Looks as if NS used their own equipment and there was no need for a 3rd party rerailer. Job well done and I'm sure we'll paid.
One morning behind my shop the were four big road locomotives derailed. A large crew of men showed up carrying big wooded blocks, jacks, pry bars and a rerail block. By noon the crew and the locomotives were gone.
Great video! Thanks for posting! These guys certainly know their stuff. They make it look easy when there's so much potential for something to go FUBAR. Nashua, NH ... would that be a PAR crew doing the re-railing work?
Kevin, yes I believe the work train may have come from East Deerfield Yard and there was also at least one person from NS on the scene (he had the safety green vest on with the dark pants) as he seem to be calling most of the shots seeing it was their train. Glad you enjoyed the video.
David, that would be a cable pulling the cars back to the tracks with the engine. As many have stated and my shock on the scene was how carelessly they treated the cable's ability to slice them up if it had failed and it had good reason to at times as the engine was breaking traction while trying to assist the dozers. Thanks for watching.
compteck7 Not even working the motors hard. Working them hard is when your climbing the mountain and lose an engine and there isn't a helper or another train nearby to help you over the mountain and you reach the top at 8 mph at full throttle for the entire climb in mid August and yes you can smell the hot traction motors. Fortunately for that trip my power was 5 SD-40-2's and the train was solid coal 96 cars just over 12,000 tons. The only good thing was the engine failed 2 miles from the top.
On a dead pull, with about 75-80% applied power, those motors are getting a hell of a workout..and yes, those motors you had were put through hell, not just a workout..WTH would they give you just SD40-2's to pull that much weight considering you had to climb a grade.
Yes, like steam engines, electric motors can produce full power at zero RPM, but if they begin to draw too much current or get too hot, the control system will reduce power to prevent damage. AC traction motors can endure more stall conditions than DC motors; that's why most heavy trains are pulled by AC locos--more expensive, but worth it. And GE and Westinghouse equipment was far superior to EMD stuff when it came to overloading those motors.
I don't know but it sure seems like their are more derailments than their should be and by other Rail Roads,not all of which are class 1. Nice video,by the way. Thank you for letting us share .
the USA rail system design hasn't changed much in the last 100 years other than signaling devices. some tracks in the USA are over 150 years old, but those tracks are not used much, if at all.
It seems as though tracks are seldom repaired when the time comes. As the lines deteriorate, they just operate with the trains running at a slower speed.
Retired railroader with 51+ years. Worked too many derailments with railroad wrecking cranes and with off track contractors. Wreck clearance, as this video demonstrates, proves that the steel wheel on the steel rail is much more efficient than the steel wheel on natures own ground. Wreck cranes took a tremendous amount of time to get blocked up and stabilized to make a lift, and then have the blocking knocked down and reset to make another lift. Railroads eliminated the use of wreck cranes in the late 80's and early 90's and wreck clearance is done by off track contractors these days. Don't know how many more clearance operations the supervisor that was standing within 'snap radius' of the cable that was being used to tow the car toward the rail will have - cable snaps and his top half will no longer be connected to his bottom half.
MMI 16. I was amazed that they were so casual about being in the snap zone myself as your end result if it did snap paints a vivid bit true picture. I was lucky to be close enough to catch the operation where most times you wouldn’t be so fortunate. Maybe a few in the biz can get so E valuable information from the video. Thanks for the comment
It would have been cool to use a steam locomotive to do all the pulling the cars onto the rails though instead of the very loud whines of that damn diesel i like the chug of a steam locomotive instead of a sound of a diesel locomotive very annoying thats one of the biggest mistakes that in railroading history is to bring the diesel locomotives into service the railroad companies should have kept making steam locomotives because they could have made a steam locomotive burn off a propane or a pressurized natural gas tank or burn a fuel oil base fuel or corn stocks or wood chips or corn pellets or it could burn tree leaves collected by citys road crews instead of a coal fire that was dirty
A loaded coal hopper weighs way more then just 100 tons. A loaded corn hopper weighs 130 tons . So the much more dense coal is closer to 140 tons each .
I know it weighs more than that just used that for a “figure of speech “ in the title and didn’t want to be accused of over stating the weight lol. Some even commented the cars didn’t even have coal in them even though the snow is clearly on the mounds of coal. 🧐. Have a good one.
@@handsthatcreate I worked for the soo line railroad for 10 years as a conductor and Engineer so it's not like I was pulling those numbers out of my ass . I know for a fact what the numbers are.
Brad, easy as I never said you’re numbers were wrong! I have seen enough cars and the gross and net weight figures posted. Wasn’t trying to stir a hornets nest and was being sincere with my answer. You wonder why things get worked up into needless high blood pressure. Take care.
Guess there is no kinda hydraulic remote control jacks that can push it up and then sideways a little at a time, repeat, until back on tracks. I think they took out some 15' of ties to make that happen.
9:45 just watching this i couldnt help but think that one of those rubber tyred gantery cranes they have at ports for containers but you know shorter and beefyer or a straddle carier would have worked well here
You maybe right but also realize any form of a crane wouldn't have helped for the cars stuck on the trestle due to lack of access. Also remember those were loaded cars at over 200,000 lbs too.
They should have used 4 of those yellow machines (2 in front and 2 in back) and they could have done it quicker. That is one strong ass cable pulling the loaded car. Impressive.
The trucks were kept in place and prevented from falling off by chains being welded to the frames while they lifted the cars. As for being "inspected" the cars went to the yard just down the way a very short bit and couldn't tell you what type of eyes were put on them.
Since I had little space of my own the digital camera I was shooting with is in the video. I could have muted it out but didn’t and just a problem taking both video and stills. I usually can get away to buffer the sound, sorry.
I responded once and here I will again, lol. Normally I am able to buffer my still shot camera shutter noise from the video better but being so tight for space I couldn't give myself space. I didn't mute out the noise in post processing either, sorry. Here are a couple of my still shots, "the clicking" :). www.railpictures.net/photo/428294/
I wonder how much that cost compared with spending a few quid on proper maintenance? It strikes me that this neglect is common on US minor, but important lines.
IMO the proper maintenance has been neglected so long now that simple upgrades are not viable in many areas. These guys can’t even keep their motive power up to snuff lol but they have purchased several older CSXT units . The dinosaur power made for good viewing 🤓.
Were the rotten ties caused by the river under the rail bridges? Did the river have a tendency to overflow and flood the tracks? Is it also possible that the bridges make the nearby tracks and steel rails freeze faster, thus accelerating their wear and tear?
The likelihood for derailments on accepted track (10 MPH or less) is still relatively low. A general rule of thumb is around 5-8 ties per rail need to be in decent condition.
@@Maine_Railfan wow, different protocol compared to passenger-centric European railways. 5-8 per rail, how long is each rail? (don't know what regulations we have on freight only lines, or preserved lines)
wallace wood Many decades ago, sadly now there is almost no rail activity in the state, who now owns most of the few remaining rail corridors. The future is very bleak. The only thing the state likes to do with the rails it bought is to rip them up to satisfy the damn bicyclists.
Relerford, because the cars stayed upright in this case the wheelsets never left the trucks and yes they are very strong and can take a lot plus this train was moving slow before the derailment due to the railbed condition. The wheelsets or axles were kept in place with chains welded to the trucks as the cars were lifted to reposition. If the cars tipped on their sides or more the wheelsets could've fallen from the trucks as they do in that type of derailments. Hope this helps.
We in the UK have narrow cuttings ,so this loaded re rail procedure would not be possible . Is derailment mostly to do with the track alignment gauge or the waggon undercarriage failure ?
Thomas Fox Unfortunately it is due to absolutely junk track. Here in New Hampshire rail ownership has gone from bad to worse over the decades from Boston & Maine through Guilford and Pan Am and in some instances the state now owns the rails. With each owner less has been done until now when absolutely nothing is being repaired and hundreds of miles of tracks have been torn up. As you see here that is a 3 track bridge with only 1 set of rails left in use.
I would assume so with the amount of ballast they brought in but seeing how the north mainline was I'm not sure how involved they got ;). Many of the old speeds are now down to 5-10 and it takes all day just to cover a few miles with the lack of upkeep in many areas!
Probably the worst thing to do is have the RR official there to tell those guys what to do. Best thing to do is get out of the way and watch them take care of the mess. No need to unload the cars, pick them up and walk them over to good track and to hell with dragging them through the debris and slop. Very counter productive. Someone will get hurt. * no point in 'welding' chains to hold the truck together, that's what the hooks are for.
Nice job crew Is there ever a time you put four of those Dozer machines on a car like each corner Then walk it down to put it back on the tracks Keep Safe out there !
Sounds more like the air Auto drain valves to me ie Spirex valve,s .Compressor Unloader different sound and fairly quite as it only lifts compressor valves (presume its GM loco sounds like one )
Cliff, there were a few safety issues that seemed to crop up during the filming as if the cable snapped they would be sliced like nothing. It was a bit eye opening at time, lol. Thanks Rich
I can't believe that the NS "in charge guy" stood so close to the cable under tension. The cold may have given him a better chance with his blood loss but after a long hospital stay, he would not have been able to reach his beer on the bar. Madness. Just another example of the "ah'm wearin' mah safety vest, damnit" culture that claims lives every year.
Jim, it seems this caught the eye of many that have watched the video I made and was one of the first eye openers when I was on the scene. I've been around snapping chains and light cables (out of the snap zone I might add respecting them) but with a locomotive pulling on this cable losing all traction at times and the car shifting as they "sideboom" dozers yanked this way and that it was shocking they were in the middle of things. It made we wonder just how often they trusted the cables in this way. Thanks for watching.
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UNBELIEVABLE!!! My son and I were looking at train videos and this was the third one we clicked on to watch. The description (One way to re-rail a 100 ton loaded coal car from derailment 40' from tracks!) looked interesting and the length perfect for what we wanted to see, a massive re-railment from a de-railment. Imagine our shock when we saw it said Nashua. I didn't think it could be NH. Of the thousands of train videos online, the third one we click on is from our (New) hometown! This happened less than three months before we moved here. Thank you for this video not only for that, but it is definitely one of the best derailment ones I have ever seen! Now, we have to find out where it is from where we are. Just amazing! Thank you!!!
Tanya, thanks for the nice reply and I always a amazed by the "small world syndrome" and in this case. If the link works here is the site of the derailment if you follow the RR tracks and just below the Nashua River above Bridge St.
www.google.com/maps/place/Nashua,+NH/@42.7646205,-71.452307,17.5z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e3b0e42dfabf85:0xb6660811428bea55!8m2!3d42.7653662!4d-71.467566
Hope this helps, Rich
@@handsthatcreate Yep, found it! It is two miles from here. I've bought furniture from the store just south of the site. Love that small world thing too. I've noticed a few of your videos are local. Do you live near here as well?
Just north of you, Bedford.
Hi Tanya, I’ve been meaning to ask if you and your son actually go out and watch trains trackside much? If so and you want to railfan sometime I don’t go out much but when I head out to western Massachusetts or even New York for the day you’re welcome to come if it fits your schedule. Let me know, thanks.
What a great video. Love the performance by the men and machines to re-rail that car. What a performance, and that SD40, oh my, what a beautiful sound.
Thanks and glad you enjoyed the video...!
Fascinating stuff even to a non-rail buff like myself. Thanks for the post!
Real nice to see they were able to do thay.
Really cool how the dozers and train and everyone coordinated this recovery of the loaded coal car. Thanks.
Just a great job, recording for posterity the how it's done. Thanks for posting.
Sorry to be offtopic but does someone know of a way to get back into an Instagram account??
I stupidly lost the password. I appreciate any tips you can offer me!
@Augustus Landen Instablaster =)
What a dangerous job! Thanks for posting.
Great video,very interesting. I once watched a real life team lift and move a de-railed coal car using air bags. They emptied the wagon with what looked like a mobile auger. Once empty it was lifted and moved using great big air bags. It took maybe four hours to do it but a fairly small team did it with no obvious problems. Wish I had filmed it!
Same way we get the nose of a 747 out of a ditch.
What would have happened if it was the middle of winter and it kept snowing?
I always wondered how they did that. Wow...thanx!
we have walked back a derailed locomotive that was approx 40 yards from track using nothing but rail jacks and ties and re railed it. thanks too the old guys who are disappearing quickly for all the tricks
Awesome video, man they got their work cut out for them, would have loved to have watched the entire clean up process, very interesting to see how this stuff is done. Thanks for sharing !.
Thanks and your welcome. Glad so many are enjoying the video as I would've liked to stay for when they got the ones off the trestle but I wanted to go catch some other trains also that day with a tight schedule.
Great camera work Rich, thanks for the video.
Thanks and glad you enjoyed.
@@handsthatcreate this was so cool I subscribed
Thanks for your patience in obtaining this most interesting video!
R Clark
Thanks Steve, I wish I got more of when they retrieved the ones from the trestle but was there for almost a half of day and didn't have planned even that much time, lol. I tell myself it could've been nothing if they wanted to boot me out at first. Just imagine yourself tucked into a line of shrubs and thicket with a camera and camcorder on a tripod trying to get good views and not be a nuisance as that was me, lol. Glad you enjoyed.
Great job.Boy those Cat side booms are powerful.
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing!
Wow.... Those sidewinder boomside liftermover dozers are cool. Damn those Hobos, for putting pennys' on the tracks.
that was something to watch. I watched a video where they put a car back on the tracks in the UK that was something to watch too. thank
RJ, as you can see if you read my description it says “sideboom” and I made a typo in the film as many spectators call them “sidewinder “ including people there and I stayed with it as they are seen as the same to many. Now, you should research yourself as “dossier” has no place in your comment and maybe you need to see it’s definition 🤓. Those dozers are medium size and certainly not “big ass” as you state seeing the ones I work on are much larger (D-8,D-9, D-10 and TD-25’s). Thanks for viewing.
These two are D-8G's if I recall.
Gee. Awful critical. Do you find fault with the way he cuts his meat too? Just asking...for a friend.
Nice clear steady video.
Great vedio and great work to the crew working
No doubt every single worker of this crew knew what the heck they were doing. It was like a ballet performing at their best. Synchronized moves to perfection!
Was that the Corman crew? We did a few big jobs with them when I was with Winters Rigging doing derailments. A very dangerous job but a lot of fun too. Everyone must be on their 'A' game. We had 43 cars in the Susquehanna River to fish out of the water in the middle of winter @ 5 below zero. Many loaded propane tankers, coal hoppers, and boxcars. We had to re-lay 12 miles of panels (new track) that got tore up. 24 hr round the clock, 2 -12 hr shifts. Took us 3 days to complete the job. We used 9 semi's, 1 rollback, light plants and generators, 2 side booms, 2 D-9's, 2 crane trucks, a complete repair shop on wheels, trailer full of extra parts and rolls of new winch cables and chains, a fuel truck, our food wagon and plenty of dry gloves, coveralls, boots and dry jackets. It was said that the railroad loses 1 million dollars per hour for every hour the tracks are blocked so time is at the utmost importance next to safety! The good ole days!
No that was Pan Am's / Guilford's own wreck train with a Norfolk Southern person in with the crew as it was one of their coal trains on Pam Am's trackage.
Thanks for responding. Great work done by all! @@handsthatcreate
Nice filming! That would make great training video for new railway associates.
I never saw "sidewinder" dozers in action. Neat.
Sand on the rails helps!
Really appreciate your great work. I'm a Nevada ol boy, like the heat and crave the sun. I could never have even considered going out in the weather the video started with, no matter how mild you northerners you may consider it. I tried to record twice over four hours, but my camera shut down, too hot, 105 degrees by 10 am,, May 27th, so maybe it takes all types. Anyway, thanks for recording this operation.
Best Rerailing Video I've Seen . . Excellent Work Recording That !
Thanks Paul, appreciate the comments!
You haven't seen anything until you've see them rerail a train that derailed in an area where the tracks are so close between buildings you can scarcely turn around.
It was barely wide enough for the train to get through and you couldn't use any equipment like that to rerail the derailed cars and/or loco in such an area. Talk about a rerailer nightmare.
I saw one like that a long while back, didn't have a camera to film it, but it was really interesting the way they had to move and get those derailed cars out of there and replace the broken tracks and ties {sleepers} in such a cramped, tight space.
Amazing what can be done with the sidebooms. Got to see it first hand on the B&LE. Penn Erection was the contractor, I do believe.
great video...great camera work!
Thanks, much appreciated!
was hoping to see another part to see the rest removed its so facinating to watch
Me too, but I was there for the better part of a morning and didn't have planned to be there all day. I'm glad I got what I did but I still wish myself how the trestle part went too. I tell myself it could've been nothing if they wanted to boot me out at first. Just imagine yourself tucked into a line of shrubs and thicket with a camera and camcorder on a tripod trying to get good views and not be a nuisance as that was me, lol. Glad you enjoyed.
I would absolutely LOVE to be on a crew like this, re railing freight cars for the Norfolk Southern, CSX or any other railroad, anything to get freight cars back on their tracks and rolling again and by the way, EXCELLENT video. It’s just ashamed to know that the Industrial Brownhoist cranes had to be scrapped, otherwise they would have come in handy for situations such as these, what would have been the harm in keeping a few of them and re painting them with Norfolk Southern and CSX lettering. Oh well, ya know what they say about hindsight being 20/20.
Euge, thanks for the compliment and glad you enjoyed the video.
I agree that these Cat side winder dozers are terrific pieces of recovery equipment when used in the right situation for the right job, i have 2 cat dozers i use for heavy recovery work with massive hyster winches & large ground anchors for winching of realy heavy sunken & bogged machinery.
Is there a counterweight on the opposite side from the business side?
Hi, Brian. We'd be glad to have you over in our FB group, Freight Train Derailments.
B.Xoit.Yes there is a counterweight on a short boom on the other side.Plus the winch.The boom can swing down and away increasing the effect.Google Cat pipelayer specs for pictures.
Difficult tedious work in unpleasant conditions. Video could have been half its length but fast forward saved the day. Periodic screen crawlers helped understand what was going on, thanks.
love these video`s
I love the way Corman's crew uses four of the side lift dozers and walks the unit over to good rails. I think it takes six trucks to move move two dozers and associated equipment to a job site. This does not look like Corman's crew.
Actually the RR had it's own "work train" that brought everything there in one shot for the record.
Had class 66 (JT42CWR ) on ground with no track under it , we did it with MFD jacks and packing .Also layed some track on side on what was left of sleepers and very slowly drove loco on to good track with steel plates and wood packing .Took about 10 hours though
They did great job here though and fairy quick did not like the chain they hauled wagon with
would been well clear of that could kill if it had broken
Cool to watch! Those sidewinder bulldozers can really lift! Ive seen them lift locomotives.
That's an old 571 Sideboom on the left and a 583 on the right. Nice 966 loader.
nice to know these things.
Wow that track bed is wasted. Time for an upgrade. Great catch.
Upgrade, lol not with Pam Am/ Guilford unless it's at another ones expense. There seem to be old turnouts and switches buried where the track gave way.
Beginning looks like George Bailey 's bridge! The snow.
"Okay, guys. You four get on one side and the rest of you get on the other side. On my count, everyone lift 'er up and get 'er back on the rails."
Dang !! What a flipping Mess !! Those 'side-winders' ? are Awesome !!! :) Had my nose to the screen...lol
Good video. I am surprised they let you that close.
Ya, me too as I was basically in a hedge line of small trees and quickly got a couple branches out of my way and didn't move and hoped they would let me be.... and to my surprise there wasn't a whole lot of other people around.
Real nice video recording R. Clark. Looks as if NS used their own equipment and there was no need for a 3rd party rerailer. Job well done and I'm sure we'll paid.
The derailment occurred on Pan Am, so Pan Am used its crews and equipment to do the rerailing.
Possibly the worlds most powerful tow truck!
miller makes a 100 ton rotator, though i doubt it has this much power.
Great job.
One morning behind my shop the were four big road locomotives derailed. A large crew of men showed up carrying big wooded blocks, jacks, pry bars and a rerail block. By noon the crew and the locomotives were gone.
It was a beautiful winter's day.
Wow! Pretty smooth operation. And, pro-grade video. Thanks!
Thanks David appreciate that.
The crawlers with the booms are called sidewinders. I grew up right along the Western Maryland tracks.
I think Sidewinders was their nickname. Were they not originally known as 'Side-booms', when they were being used for pipelaying?
Great work you Guy's keep it up 😉😊
Great video! Thanks for posting! These guys certainly know their stuff. They make it look easy when there's so much potential for something to go FUBAR. Nashua, NH ... would that be a PAR crew doing the re-railing work?
Kevin, yes I believe the work train may have come from East Deerfield Yard and there was also at least one person from NS on the scene (he had the safety green vest on with the dark pants) as he seem to be calling most of the shots seeing it was their train. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Thats some bit of chain! I wonder how much longer it was after the job was finished?
David, that would be a cable pulling the cars back to the tracks with the engine. As many have stated and my shock on the scene was how carelessly they treated the cable's ability to slice them up if it had failed and it had good reason to at times as the engine was breaking traction while trying to assist the dozers. Thanks for watching.
Stay away from those cables!
Is there a group for emergency team at the railway in the social nets?
Man those traction motors are getting a hell of a workout
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Not even working the motors hard. Working them hard is when your climbing the mountain and lose an engine and there isn't a helper or another train nearby to help you over the mountain and you reach the top at 8 mph at full throttle for the entire climb in mid August and yes you can smell the hot traction motors. Fortunately for that trip my power was 5 SD-40-2's and the train was solid coal 96 cars just over 12,000 tons. The only good thing was the engine failed 2 miles from the top.
On a dead pull, with about 75-80% applied power, those motors are getting a hell of a workout..and yes, those motors you had were put through hell, not just a workout..WTH would they give you just SD40-2's to pull that much weight considering you had to climb a grade.
Yes, like steam engines, electric motors can produce full power at zero RPM, but if they begin to draw too much current or get too hot, the control system will reduce power to prevent damage. AC traction motors can endure more stall conditions than DC motors; that's why most heavy trains are pulled by AC locos--more expensive, but worth it. And GE and Westinghouse equipment was far superior to EMD stuff when it came to overloading those motors.
Engine sounded like one of the old GP-9's.
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
I didn't get audio.
Great work !
thats some strong ass chain!! does antbody know if there is a ho scale model of the sidewinders? or good diagrams that could be used?
How does a crash like that happen in the first instance, what were the primary and if any secondary causal factors?
I believe it occurred as a result of a broken rail, and at such a slow speed, they can drag the cars for a good distance before the air would dump.
I don't know but it sure seems like their are more derailments than their should be and by other Rail Roads,not all of which are class 1. Nice video,by the way. Thank you for letting us share .
PanAm is very notorious for having horrible track, running freights on horrible track, etc...
the USA rail system design hasn't changed much in the last 100 years other than signaling devices. some tracks in the USA are over 150 years old, but those tracks are not used much, if at all.
love to see a giant hand appear grab car & put back on track & say godamn it
Ha ha ha ha ha
The Hand of God, or also known as the the 0-5-0 shunter.
Yes it's a lot easier and takes less
time but then R.J. Corman wouldn't
have anything to do!!!
Must have been something in the day three rail lines, wow.
That chain...... amazing how 1 chain could take that much pressure. Locomotive pulling a loaded car through the dirt with 1 chain... wow
Actually that "chain" is a cable with far more strength than a chain but if it broke it would slice you like nothing.
It seems as though tracks are seldom repaired when the time comes. As the lines deteriorate, they just operate with the trains running at a slower speed.
I am a retired engineer, and you are right. After derailment tracks will be replaced.
Retired railroader with 51+ years. Worked too many derailments with railroad wrecking cranes and with off track contractors. Wreck clearance, as this video demonstrates, proves that the steel wheel on the steel rail is much more efficient than the steel wheel on natures own ground. Wreck cranes took a tremendous amount of time to get blocked up and stabilized to make a lift, and then have the blocking knocked down and reset to make another lift. Railroads eliminated the use of wreck cranes in the late 80's and early 90's and wreck clearance is done by off track contractors these days. Don't know how many more clearance operations the supervisor that was standing within 'snap radius' of the cable that was being used to tow the car toward the rail will have - cable snaps and his top half will no longer be connected to his bottom half.
MMI 16. I was amazed that they were so casual about being in the snap zone myself as your end result if it did snap paints a vivid bit true picture. I was lucky to be close enough to catch the operation where most times you wouldn’t be so fortunate. Maybe a few in the biz can get so
E valuable information from the video. Thanks for the comment
It would have been cool to use a steam locomotive to do all the pulling the cars onto the rails though instead of the very loud whines of that damn diesel i like the chug of a steam locomotive instead of a sound of a diesel locomotive very annoying thats one of the biggest mistakes that in railroading history is to bring the diesel locomotives into service the railroad companies should have kept making steam locomotives because they could have made a steam locomotive burn off a propane or a pressurized natural gas tank or burn a fuel oil base fuel or corn stocks or wood chips or corn pellets or it could burn tree leaves collected by citys road crews instead of a coal fire that was dirty
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A loaded coal hopper weighs way more then just 100 tons. A loaded corn hopper weighs 130 tons . So the much more dense coal is closer to 140 tons each .
I know it weighs more than that just used that for a “figure of speech “ in the title and didn’t want to be accused of over stating the weight lol. Some even commented the cars didn’t even have coal in them even though the snow is clearly on the mounds of coal. 🧐. Have a good one.
@@handsthatcreate I worked for the soo line railroad for 10 years as a conductor and Engineer so it's not like I was pulling those numbers out of my ass . I know for a fact what the numbers are.
Brad, easy as I never said you’re numbers were wrong! I have seen enough cars and the gross and net weight figures posted. Wasn’t trying to stir a hornets nest and was being sincere with my answer. You wonder why things get worked up into needless high blood pressure. Take care.
Nice work!
If that was meant for me, thanks lol.
Guess there is no kinda hydraulic remote control jacks that can push it up and then sideways a little at a time, repeat, until back on tracks. I think they took out some 15' of ties to make that happen.
Pulling the derailed cars while they are suspended by tow cranes, wow!
Sure as heck wouldn't want to be around that cable if it broke. That looked like an insane amount of tension on it.
Whats all that poping noise from the locomotive? moisture ejectors on the air tanks?
cletrac 12c
Exactly!
9:45 just watching this i couldnt help but think that one of those rubber tyred gantery cranes they have at ports for containers but you know shorter and beefyer or a straddle carier would have worked well here
You maybe right but also realize any form of a crane wouldn't have helped for the cars stuck on the trestle due to lack of access. Also remember those were loaded cars at over 200,000 lbs too.
They should have used 4 of those yellow machines (2 in front and 2 in back) and they could have done it quicker. That is one strong ass cable pulling the loaded car. Impressive.
The weight of the snow on top of the coal probably made things more difficult.
Excellent video. Do the "trucks" get removed and inspected when the coal car is back in the yard. Well done. Good on ya mate.
The trucks were kept in place and prevented from falling off by chains being welded to the frames while they lifted the cars. As for being "inspected" the cars went to the yard just down the way a very short bit and couldn't tell you what type of eyes were put on them.
@@handsthatcreate, Thanks. I have no knowledge of RR but my guess is those trucks got a good eyeballin'. Regards.
@@handsthatcreate What's with all the clicking?
Since I had little space of my own the digital camera I was shooting with is in the video. I could have muted it out but didn’t and just a problem taking both video and stills. I usually can get away to buffer the sound, sorry.
I responded once and here I will again, lol. Normally I am able to buffer my still shot camera shutter noise from the video better but being so tight for space I couldn't give myself space. I didn't mute out the noise in post processing either, sorry. Here are a couple of my still shots, "the clicking" :).
www.railpictures.net/photo/428294/
I wonder how much that cost compared with spending a few quid on proper maintenance? It strikes me that this neglect is common on US minor, but important lines.
IMO the proper maintenance has been neglected so long now that simple upgrades are not viable in many areas. These guys can’t even keep their motive power up to snuff lol but they have purchased several older CSXT units . The dinosaur power made for good viewing 🤓.
Were the rotten ties caused by the river under the rail bridges? Did the river have a tendency to overflow and flood the tracks? Is it also possible that the bridges make the nearby tracks and steel rails freeze faster, thus accelerating their wear and tear?
Wow! Those are some Big Boy's toys!!!
So, just how cost effective is maintaining the tracks so that derailments like these don't happen?
The likelihood for derailments on accepted track (10 MPH or less) is still relatively low. A general rule of thumb is around 5-8 ties per rail need to be in decent condition.
@@Maine_Railfan wow, different protocol compared to passenger-centric European railways. 5-8 per rail, how long is each rail? (don't know what regulations we have on freight only lines, or preserved lines)
That is one heck of a bridge! Big RRoading through there at one time, eh?
wallace wood Many decades ago, sadly now there is almost no rail activity in the state, who now owns most of the few remaining rail corridors. The future is very bleak. The only thing the state likes to do with the rails it bought is to rip them up to satisfy the damn bicyclists.
How come the wheel assembly or whatever its called doesn't get damage or come off during derailment? Is it that well built?
Relerford, because the cars stayed upright in this case the wheelsets never left the trucks and yes they are very strong and can take a lot plus this train was moving slow before the derailment due to the railbed condition. The wheelsets or axles were kept in place with chains welded to the trucks as the cars were lifted to reposition. If the cars tipped on their sides or more the wheelsets could've fallen from the trucks as they do in that type of derailments. Hope this helps.
Yes...so those type of train cars just sit on the wheel sets you mean during regular use? Is that how all train cars work?
Yes most rail cars just sit on the trucks with a large pin between the truck and the carbody
We in the UK have narrow cuttings ,so this loaded re rail procedure would not be possible .
Is derailment mostly to do with the track alignment gauge or the waggon undercarriage failure ?
Thomas Fox Unfortunately it is due to absolutely junk track. Here in New Hampshire rail ownership has gone from bad to worse over the decades from Boston & Maine through Guilford and Pan Am and in some instances the state now owns the rails. With each owner less has been done until now when absolutely nothing is being repaired and hundreds of miles of tracks have been torn up. As you see here that is a 3 track bridge with only 1 set of rails left in use.
I got video of this loaded coal train @ the hoosac tunnel hours before the derailment
oh man that rail bed is absolutely done for. surely they had to redo the whole area from scratch around the bridge before putting track back down?
I would assume so with the amount of ballast they brought in but seeing how the north mainline was I'm not sure how involved they got ;). Many of the old speeds are now down to 5-10 and it takes all day just to cover a few miles with the lack of upkeep in many areas!
I'll bet that's one tow cable without any kinks in it after they got done.
I lived in Nashua for awhile, I know exactly where that is
Probably the worst thing to do is have the RR official there to tell those guys what to do. Best thing to do is get out of the way and watch them take care of the mess. No need to unload the cars, pick them up and walk them over to good track and to hell with dragging them through the debris and slop. Very counter productive. Someone will get hurt. * no point in 'welding' chains to hold the truck together, that's what the hooks are for.
I would think those motors would overheat since they are stalled.
Nice job crew Is there ever a time you put four of those Dozer machines on a car like each corner Then walk it down to put it back on the tracks Keep Safe out there !
that static or ticking noise a locomotive engine makes, what is the cause of it?
The little spits are air relief valves because the compressor runs nonstop, big ones are brakes
Sounds more like the air Auto drain valves to me ie Spirex valve,s .Compressor Unloader different sound and fairly quite as it only lifts compressor valves (presume its GM loco sounds like one )
That'll be it then.
I can't believe anyone would stand close to that chain.
Cliff, there were a few safety issues that seemed to crop up during the filming as if the cable snapped they would be sliced like nothing. It was a bit eye opening at time, lol. Thanks Rich
What did it do, derail on a bridge?
Seems like my 30 minute wait for roadside assistance isn't so bad after all...
So where's footage getting the rest of the cars off the trestle? It had to be done to open the line. 🤔🤷♀️
Wasn't going to spend all day there as this took better part of half of it once they got rolling ;).
I’m sorry Ik I’m really late but this was in Nashua NH???!!
Headed for Bow?
Yes, but coal trains are basically done coming through the area sadly as we used to have 2-4/week when things were busy.
I can't believe that the NS "in charge guy" stood so close to the cable under tension. The cold may have given him a better chance with his blood loss but after a long hospital stay, he would not have been able to reach his beer on the bar. Madness. Just another example of the "ah'm wearin' mah safety vest, damnit" culture that claims lives every year.
Jim, it seems this caught the eye of many that have watched the video I made and was one of the first eye openers when I was on the scene. I've been around snapping chains and light cables (out of the snap zone I might add respecting them) but with a locomotive pulling on this cable losing all traction at times and the car shifting as they "sideboom" dozers yanked this way and that it was shocking they were in the middle of things. It made we wonder just how often they trusted the cables in this way. Thanks for watching.