E46 330ci Brembo brake upgrade. E46 M3 CSL rotor and four piston Brembo conversion to non-M E46.
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- Brake upgrades are very important when it comes to racing. As e46 owners know, there aren't a lot of options to be found with out spending $3-4K+. Today we experiment and see if a set of used four piston Brembos from a new BMW 440 will be compatible with the e46 set up.
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Very cool upgrade! I'll have to watch that caliper painting video; the finish on those is great!
I love the way the paint and this whole project turned out. It was an awesome upgrade.
Good comment and the end about wheel size. Really important
Oh boy that looks great!
And the extra stop!
Your car already stoped like it was hitting a wall... now it will have retro rockets!
I’ve only got on the brakes once since the car has been back on the road and they are insane
Sure is looking good! Nice upgrade.
Thanks for the comment.
Wow brakes look amazing
Thanks they are super awesome to drive with as well
I fucking love your car👌 looks so great. One of my favourite builds on RUclips.
Greetings from germany.
I appreciate the comment! I'm glad you've been enjoying my content.
I like the red paint. It looks good
It turned out great!
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Yes sir!
Amazing video, I’ve watched it many times but still have some questions. I was wondering if the break pads end up touching the rotors or have any issues but also I would like to see an year update on what its been like running this set up for about a year now. Love the work you’ve been putting out, 👌👌
Mine was a direct bolt up. I’ve heard a few others say the pads touch and they have to trim them. Like 1/8” or so. Even with the pad modification, it’s absolutely worth it! When I get the race car in a position to make more videos I’ll do a follow up.
Great job! Just wondering how much clearance is there between the brake disc and the Brembo would the brembos fit with 348mm discs rather than the 345mm?
Just an FYI, I confirmed that these will fit under the BimmerWorld Forged 17” wheels. I used a set of the 17x9 and they cleared. Both the barrel and spokes clear.
That’s good to know. I figured some 17s would fit. But it’s safer to just plan to get bigger wheels
Who knew brakes could be pretty!
I love how they look.
Looks great! I don't know if I should go with 330i EBC discs / Yellowstuff pads, or your 440i setup, or maybe even the E9X 335i caliper / M3 CSL discs setup. The price difference between the EBC setup and the E9X 335i caliper / M3 CSL disc setup is not that big. The 440i caliper setup is a bit more expensive in my country unfortunately. I want the looks, but I also want the stopping power. now I can't decide.
Were these completely centred on the discs and pad sweep ok?
Hi mate great vid some great and very detailed info... those rear callipers look like the originals am I correct? Would it be possible to fit the brembo rears off the 440i to the rear of the e46? I know you’d need bigger discs (rotors) which is a pain in the arse as you have to change the hub but would the callipers bolt straight up like the fronts did?
Cheers
I really am not sure. They are the same size tho. So you can use stock rear rotors.
Boa tarde amigo eu queria meter no meu e46 coupe as pinças e46 M3 será aplicação direta ?
Hi nice vid love the car, i have a 2002 330xi, can you tell me what are the wheells you have on this beast?
Thanks! I’m running a set of 18” Advant Garde M359
Nice video….did you have to use wheel spacers to clear the calipers? I’m thinking of using 19in wheels on my setup think it’ll clear the 440i calipers?
On my wheels set up, no. I didn’t have to use spacers.
Great video. Ok so the front brake calipers are from a 2017 440I. What year M3 did the competition brake rotors come from in the front?
The rear you also installed 440I calipers correct? What rotor set up did you use in the rear?
Last question. This will work for a 99 328I?
E46 M3 competition front rotors. Rear I used stock rotor size. The rear isn’t really worth messing with. The calipers from the 440 were the same size and some e46s, the rears didn’t fit for some reason. I wouldn’t be able to say if your 328 would be compatible. I know my 330 was. And I think they are the same, in the front at least.
This looks sick! In the UK the F30 ships with 360mm rotors, would that work on an e46 setup like this?
It’s hard to say. Can’t really say until you try it physically in person.
Hi, very nice upgrade. I have a question about it, which brake pads did you use, one that comes with 440i or E46 CSL one?
I used the pads for the 440 brakes.
@@TenzaMotorsports thank you!
Hey man superb video, but I was wondering what other brake rotors I can use instead of the csl rotors as Im not a big fan of the cross drilled and would much prefer a blank oem looking rotor. Did you find any other bmw rotor that fits without any modification onto the hub of the 330ci. I also have a 330ci and am looking into this upgrade but I wanted to know if I could maybe even use the 440i rotor on the 330ci.
Edit: Also I was wondering how the pads contact the surface of the rotor and if you have gotten any rings from the pad not fully contacting the surface of the rotor. And would it be possible to keep my stock 330ci rotors and just upgrade to the caliper or will I need to also upgrade to bigger rotors? Thanks in advance I really appreciate it and keep up the amazing work.
This is the only combination that will work. They have to be csl/competition e46 rotors. The drilled rotors I used are oem bmw. I only found two options. Oem and the two piece ECS tuning drilled and slotted. If you upgrade to bigger brakes, you need to do bigger rotors.
@@TenzaMotorsports Thanks for the super fast reply and for the info. I'll still be checking around forums and such to see if its possible to use other rotors and let you know what I find.
This is awesome thanks! Been tracking a S2000 for about 6 years and finally picked up a E46 as a second track car. Will those Brembo's also fit a ZCP E46 M3? I'm barely learning about BMW's and am not sure if the 330ci knuckles are the same as the ZCP M3. Appreciate any advice!
As far as I know they are not the same. The best way I find part compatibility is calling ECS Tuning, they really know their stuff!
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Awesome man.. quick question.. so the 440i calipers bolt right in on a 330ci? No adapter needed?
the fronts bolt right up. the rears need some slight modification. you can't fit those calipers without stock rotors though
What are the brake diameter
Hi looking 💪👌 just a question,, would the 435d x drive 340mm disks fit with the calipers on my e46 love this 💚✌
Yes it will! thanks for asking.
So I see you put the 330 rotors and calipers on the e36. So this would mean that the csl M3 rotors with the 440 calipers would be a direct bolt on to the e36 correct?
I obviously have not personally done it. But in theory, yes. I can’t verify it will work. I’d be willing to say it does from what I’ve seen.
Hi, Im looking for p&p set for 330ci. Is there any diffence between your calipers (440i) and any m sport brembo 340mm calipers for f32/f20/f22/f30/f84? And what about rotors, are they fitting execly beteen break pads (or rotor need to be adjusted like 2/3 milimeters)?
I have no further knowledge of figment past this install. I took a shot in the dark with this set up. The only way to really know is to test and see that’s all I did and I got lucky.
Hi! I have this calipers and i would to buy ATE pads and ATE discs. Have you replaced the pads on yours setup? Thanks for answer
I used the stock pads and they are still on the car
hello did you put the calipers on the 340mm disc and fitted the CSL with the size of 345mm?
R18 fit?
Hi would any bmw m sport calipar fit so long as you run 340mm rotors
I don’t know about about any other set ups other than this specific one.
Are the upgraded BMW callipers a direct fit to the BMW hubs? Thanks man!
These calipers are a direct fit the the knuckle. The only thing that would have made this swap a little more legit is to get an M3 hub so the rotor and the hub match. The current set up works every bit as well as the M3 hub.
@@TenzaMotorsports thank you for the fast reply dude! Have you encountered any issues since fitting them? Cheers 😄
Nope, it was a super easy install. Just a swap and a quick brake bleed, you're good to go!
I’ve seen in a few places that these need e46 M3 knuckles. Did they bolt up to the 330 knuckles?
These do not need the m3 knuckle. Direct fit.
Few questions if you're able to answer. Forgive me if I didn't find your review video already in passing, but how did the brakes feel after doing this swap? Did the change in volume with 4 pistons to move vs the original single piston change the pedal feel or braking distance? Did you feel there was a significant change in brake bias as though you may have made your rear's less effective in stopping the car? And finally, did you already have the whole stainless conversion and other upgrades done too before the swap?
I'm certainly interested in this as I have an X3 I drive (only after my 2001 330ci outweighed cost/benefit.... had just over 260k miles on it so it did great service). I've found they shared the same caliper/rotor as the 330ci did for e46 years and I often pull a small trailer with it with a motorcycle in it. I've always considered an upgrade due to my added weight towing vs just looks or performance, as the X3 I have is a grocery-getter and not supposed to be a fast car... but I love the idea of stopping more efficiently with the added weight and updated tech for calipers. Look forward to hopefully getting a response!
The car feels very normal. Without hard breaking you’d never be able to tell the difference. Very linear. Doesn’t effect the bias from what I can tell. I haven’t been on a track yet so I can’t really comment on that yet. No other upgrades have been done. Stock lines and everything
@@TenzaMotorsports guess I'll start paroozing some forums for availability lol. Keep up the good work!
Is there a big difference in stopping, compared to the brakes you had before?
Stopping power, absolutely! Feel, not too much different. Feels very normal and very linear. I’ve been unbelievably happy with this project.
Will these fit an E36 with Styling 68 in 7.5jx17" ET41 with 5mm spacers?
Any measuremenst as to how far out the calipper seats?
As far as I know. 17s will not fit.
Hi, I have a 02 BMW e46 M3 im looking for a OEM BMW Brembo brake/rotor upgrade. Does anyone know what car they would come off to bolt up to my M3?
The knuckle on the M3 vs Non-m are different. If I had to guess, these wouldn't fit. Unfortunately this is a question only truly answered by testing it physically.
I have question does rotor CSL fit in non M knuckle?? Please answer it
Yes.
So you fitted these calipers on the 330i's hub bracket that the factory caliper mounts to, or did you also use the factory caliper mounts in conjunction with the calipers? Im a bit confused.
I pulled off the entire stock caliper and direct fit the newer ones.
To do this project you need the new calipers, M3 competition rotors and two M3 set screws.
@@TenzaMotorsports ok, and you mounted the calipers on the bracket holes where the regular caliper mounts bolt on, correct?
Yes, used the same bolts and everything.
Do the pads stay inside the rotor area or stick out?
They stay inside about 1/8 inch or so.
So you are saying the 440i calipers bolt straight on to the 330Ci caliper mount?
Yes they bolted right up.
Wow! That's awesome info. Cheers
Any question. Ineed the measure bolt to bolt from brake caliper. You have this information? txh
Which brakelines and wear sensors were used?
Stock brake lines and stock sensors.
Do you need any special brackets to mount the calipers??
No, they bolt right on. You just have to make sure you change the rotors.
@@TenzaMotorsports is this for 330i only? As 325ci has diiferent front mounting knuckles for the caliper
What year 440i did they come off of or any 440 will do ?
2017 if I remember correctly.
Great video and great mod!! Would this work for a 325ci too??
yes
@@sniperBOBAH Hello, did you manage to install the brake discs? Did everything fit properly or did you have to change the hub?
Hello, did you manage to install the brake discs? Did everything fit properly or did you have to change the hub?
Very Cool! Do you need new calliper mounts?
Nope. Bolts right up!
@@TenzaMotorsports are you able to tell de exact part number for the right and left calliper?
@@andregomes1332 I would like this too
Sorry if I missed it but did you have to shave the pads to prevent the overhang?
I didn’t have to. But some people are needing to. I’m not sure if there are slightly different pads or what? If you have overhang take about a 1/4 inch off the inner part of the outside pad.
@@TenzaMotorsports are you able to post a picture of it? Or what pads? I am referring to CSL E46 rotors + 440i front calipers and everyone mentions 10mm of shaving of the pads. Also I am wondering is it really bad to shave the pads?
HI what are the part number for the calipers ??
Product is linked in the description.
That's a good size M
Extra stopping power
Oh man i need those calipers any webside 😭 i cnt find it
No website. I got them locally.
Hi there does it need any machining or will it be a straight fit?
Straight fit
Is the carriers and callipers of a 330 or m3?
Might have missed it. But do the 440 calipers just go straight on the 330? What about carriers?
They bolt right on. Only thing you need to change are rotors and screws
Do you know caliper dimensions? Or year of 440i if any difference in caliper sizing between models? As just with the like of the 335d are similar size calipers. Just to give me more to look at when buying. Thanks in advance
I really don't know the specifications. The 440 these came off of was an F36 model. I think the car was a 2017.
@@TenzaMotorsports that's fine. Thanks for the replies
Hi, from what vehicle and yr did you get the calipers, and which brackets did you use for them?
They came from a 2017 440i. No additional brackets. Direct fit.
@@TenzaMotorsports what yr 440i did you get the calipers from?
They came from a 2017 440i.
Those fit your stock knuckle without modification?
No modification needed
@@TenzaMotorsports i got an e46 and am desperately looking for a bolt-on kit for CSL rotors! Could you please specify what year and model these brakes are? I know you've said it, but you also mentioned m4 and a 440 in the vid. Thanks!
@@iljakozlovskis3321 bump
Hello, I am looking for brake upgrade for my Z4 coupe 3,0si. There is a 325mm OEM rotor. Do you think that your set up (M3CSL rotor + 440i calipers) will perfectly fit to my Z4? Thank you.
The best way for you to find out. Compare your parts to the parts of an e46. They should be the same hub and brake placement. I just don’t want to say yes and they don’t work. If I had to make an assumption. I would say they will fit.
The same plan for my Z4 E85. They will fit the same way as on E46 :-)
So technically if the 440’s fit on the 46 and the 46 fit in the e36, these should fit on the e36 as well?
I would assume so!
What size wheels are you running?
18s, but the barrel is a fairly low profile. I think you can do this with any 18”+ size wheel.
If i wanted to add this set up to my stock e46 325ci with 18inch mv2 will it fit bolt on or would i need the 330ci hubs/spindle. And did you use the 330i brake lines or the 440i
This should fit the same way as the 330 if I had to guess. They have the same mounting points.
Thanks. What about brake lines? Were there normal 330i or custom made
Stock 330 lines. You’d have to research it but I think they are the same as the 325.
Hello, did you manage to install the brake discs? Did everything fit properly or did you have to change the hub?
Did you use the 440i pads?
Yes
Will these fit the e46 325i with VMR wheels ?
As long as the wheels are 18" yes
can i instal that setup to my 318i? it looks just so damn dope, i want it *.*
As long as it’s the same specs as the 330 carriers. It’s a good set up. Used sets can be found on eBay for like $500
Wow that would look sexy on my ZHP 😍
Yes it would! I love the way they look.
Hello. I have same setup front calipers and discs. Can you tell me how long you ride on this setup? I Just thinking about "stopping pins" or whatever names this pins which keeping discs on hub when breaking on fu strenght. Because 330ci hubs dont have them and has only one positioning screw which is only one Point of keeping disc in place on hub.
Thanks for answer
I’ve ran them for a year so far. Just use the one rotor screw.
I have problem with too big outside brake pads because they touch rotors and disc wont roll. So ive grinded outside pads, but i want to know how about yours setup? You dont to do this? I have mounted ate discs and ate pads. Maybe OEM disc have smaller rotor.
No problems with mine.. that’s odd. I really don’t know.
Where did you get the caliper "m" decal?
I made it. I have a small vinyl cutter.
@@TenzaMotorsports ohh, ok. Do you have a video on upgrading the rear brakes?
I don't, they aren't upgraded. They are same the spec. so I didn't cover it.
Can I run stock rotors with these calipers?
No. You’ll need to run larger rotors
What year is the 440i for the brake calipers?
I think a 2017? Maybe a 2018. I never saw the car I just took the salesman’s word for it.
@@TenzaMotorsports thanks .do you maybe have the partnumber of the calipers then?
I don't. I'll look to see if they are visible without taking things off.
Which pads did you use for this setup, and would recommend?
I used the stock 440 pads that came on the calipers. When I go to replace them I will probably find a set of hawk 5.0 if they are available
@@TenzaMotorsports ok, hows the dust with those pads? & Whats your opinion on the cool carbons vs the hawk's?
The noise and dust is much much lower than I thought. I was expecting the full downside of performance pads to come forward, and they are just amazing. My hawk 5.0 pads I ran before this swap, had all the bite force and almost no draw backs.
I have no experience with cool carbon. I'll have to look into them.
@@TenzaMotorsports I was able to get thd same calipers you have , but the gray unpainted version , with the 340 stamped in the back. How would I know which pad to use, since there's 2 versions, either "M performance pads, or without "M performance pads?
I really don't know that answer. Best thing to do is find out the exact car it came off of. Like the vin. Orrrrr maybe buy both pads and return the ones that aren't right? just a thought.
Would this work on e46 m3 too? I assume it should. Apologize if this was already answered. I didn’t see it in the comments.
Most of the Time I would say I’m not 100 percent sure. But I feel comfortable saying this would not work on an m3.
Since you didn’t show the rear, what rotors do you need in the rear?
Stock
@@TenzaMotorsports and 335 caliper just bolts in?
Hi what wheels are you running please
The wheels are an Avant Garde M359
wait.. 440 calipers are direct bolt on? Or, do they need an adapter. Very interested in doing this to my 330 touring.
Direct bolt on
@@TenzaMotorsports no kidding. I've been working on my project for years and never came across this. I don't think anyone on E46f has ever seen it...
Looks like I'll need to track down a set. Have you done the rears as well? How is the balance with the larger clamping force in the front?
Balance on the street feels fine. Rears are the same as stock so it's not anything crazy. Have not done any track testing but on the street feels amazing.
@@TenzaMotorsports the rears though have to have the 330 rotors and then 440 calipers will bolt on?
Can I use this on a 325i 04 sedan
Yes
Size of wheel is only partial, more importantly the offset. You have M3 fenders so for you this fits. But a stock car can only fit 8.5J ET35 before rubbing. These calipers would probably not fit with ET35, maybe if the spoke was carefully designed.
This what you saying is tested and proved?
It fits very tight with ET35, Autec Wizard 8x18.
What 4series did those caliper came from
2017 440
@@TenzaMotorsports okay thanks
So all its needed is : 440i front calipers , Csl rotors, set screw and that’s it? What about brake lines?
Yup. Brake lines are the same.
Tenza Motorsports awesome! Cant wait for the review video
Sweeeeet
You didn't show the rear. So what has to be done? You just grab the calipers and the bolt right in with zero modification or other work? 440 donor?
Stock in the rear.
Will this fit a 330d?
I would assume so. But I don’t know for sure
Is that a 340mm caliper or 370/380mm ?
It is the m3 competition rotors. I can’t remember exactly the dimensions.
will they fit on a e36 325i or 320i?
325i yes they will fit
Will 17 inches wheels fit?
I’m going to say no. It might be close. But I really don’t think so
What's your wheel size ? R19? Et? 8.5j?
18x8.5 F 18x9.5 R
Is the rear calipers 440i as well
They are the same size. No real upgrade other than, Newer. You have to plumb the line slightly different to use them. The front is the important part.
@TenzaMotorsports much appreciate on the response back love your video. You be throwing alot of game out there don't no if folks be catching it. But I do in appreciate it as well
Thanks! means a lot. I have loads of stuff like this to come with another build in the works.
Is urs an m3 or just a standard 330ci
Mine is a 330ci.
Disc size?
They are a 245mm. Same disks ran on the e46 M3 competition.
Any update on these 🙃
They’ve been great. I’m so happy with them and when the time comes. We are doing Them again on the racecar we are building now.
@@TenzaMotorsports I took the plunge and bought the same 👌 can I ask what offset wheels you have and or what size wheel spacers?
You know if these fit on 18" CSL style wheels?
Yes they wil
What year 440 m3?
They came from a 2017 440.
@@TenzaMotorsports 2017 440i m package?
No, just the standard 440
Whats the cost thks
I’m not sure how much the calipers are. I got them for a really good deal from a friend at the dealership. The rotors were $450
@@TenzaMotorsports thank you for you reply
The Rotors do Not fit the Standard Pads.
Got to love how many people on here don’t read what he’s written in his answers or listen to what he says!
Your better off buying the 46 M3 hub which is a direct fitment, use the two Allen bolts to bolt the disc to the hub, use genuine CSL discs then a 440 Brembo calliper…. Simples.
Now if you have a genuine 46 M3 then replace with a AP racing kit like I have using the Radical calipers front & rear!…. Amazing!👌
Are you happy with this upgrade?
Yes! Very
What pads do you use?
Dude. Lower the ramp or stand on a platform. Look like you're offering Simba up to the clouds every time you remove or replace parts.
Lol. Yeah, it was a little high. I have a car underneath and it wasn’t really bothering me. So I left it.
Pads too big? Pads are encroaching on the hat???
I’ve had a few people say the same thing. Mine didn’t have that problem. I’m not sure what is causing some to have pads slightly too large. The people I have talked to said they cut about 1/4 inch off the end to make them fit.
I'll buy ur old rotors and calipers
They are going to the e36 death kart we are building.
Two questions. Wtf happened to your frontbumber?! I would loose that shit on the first ride to my work on the autobahn. And why you work on your brakes in that hight?! 😂
Well I don’t drive on the autobahn. It’s not set up for top speed. There is a car under the lift that didn’t run while I was doing the brakes. It wasn’t that high. Eye level.
@@TenzaMotorsports Im playing with my thought to do same like you did with your e46. I have an 340i with the blue sportbrake with the 370mm Discs in the Frontaxle. That brake performance is so much better than my 320d e46 has. Do you need any spacer between between brakerotor and hub. Or the hub and the caliper ?
Your discs are wrongly fitted the wrong way not cooling down
You are going to heat them up ! Lol
Attention to aLL car expert. Just using water to cooL down disc brake & brake pad. I suggest about a miliLiter per minute dropping on disc brake directly is very safe whilLe traveling more than 100 mph. to prevent faiL brake due to overheating. Or simply apply radiator on brake pad / disc brake. BECAUSE SAFETY IS EVERYTHING. .. especially those very heavy duty truck
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