ACP341 Is Corporate or Part 121 Airlines better for a Career Change at 50?

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  • Опубликовано: 2 мар 2022
  • In today’s episode, we discuss if it is better to go the 121 our corporate aviation route as a pilot over 50.
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    I have been a long-time listener of the “Aviation Careers Podcast.”
    My goal is to finish up my rating this year and end up with a CFII. I currently run a successful business that I work 2-3 days a week. It has taken me many years to get to the point where I can focus on my next career as a Commercial Pilot.
    My plan is to sell my business in 3 years when my daughter graduates college and pursue a job at either the airlines or 135 Fractional company. I will have a fairly well-funded retirement at that time but hate to leave money on the table.
    As far as retirement goes, what would be a better choice: a 121 airline where my earning potential is approx. 12 years ( I am 50 now) or a 135 Fractional like NetJets where I would have almost 17 years of earning potential. I have been on all the message boards and am even more confused than when I started. QOL is not a big issue as my wife and I would not mind moving to a new city so we could live in base.
    Thank you for always inspiring me to move forward in my Aviation Journey.
    Benefits of corporate or fractional. Make more money in the first 2 years after that you are not gaining much.
    You can always fly 135 after your airline career and but not the other way around.
    135/Corporate has more generous commuting meaning you are home-based.
    Pay is better at airlines, especially legacy - 5-year wide-body FO will be making $200 an hour which is $1000 a day minimum.
    10-year captain pay at fractional or large corporate is about $200,000
    Some flight departments pay more but the potential for larger pay is better at the airlines especially as you go past 5 years.
    Remember bigger the plane the bigger the paycheck when it comes to the airlines.
    That is why most lean more towards legacy airlines that fly wide-body aircraft.
    You normally won’t see widebodies at Low-cost carriers although there are exceptions.
    Airlines Retirement. Average 16% on top of your salary.
    Fractional and corporate vary from 5% to 10% plus additional bonus money
    Many legacies and LCC airlines allow profit-sharing money to go to the 401k also.
    Also, many legacy and LCCs have VEBA money which is a voluntary employees' beneficiary association. A trust set up for medical expenses.
    Travel benefits obviously are better on the airline with the largest network which leans toward the majors.
    To put it all together, Career Coaching and meeting with a financial planner is a great idea.
    What Is A VEBA
    Understanding Your 401k Plan and Benefits .
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Комментарии • 67

  • @earnedwings5206
    @earnedwings5206 2 года назад +12

    Great info. I’m 47 and fly a Cherokee 180 working on my instrument and will roll right into my commercial. Corporate is the goal. Mortgage professional for 23 years but I feel in love the first time I touched a yoke, like true love. The kind that you would do it almost for free. Will fly for food and water! Lol

  • @Bobbyboucher9814
    @Bobbyboucher9814 Год назад +6

    For those who say retirement seems a long way off, IT ISN’T!!! Worry about that stuff now. I’m 22 years into a career and it feels like I started yesterday. I’m fortunate to be able to move into a new career but I wish I had thought more about retirement when I was starting I’m. 47 going through flight training. Started September of 2021. It’s about a year later and I’m starting CFI training. Everything you’re talking about are all the questions I’ve been having. Thanks for covering all this!!!!

  • @jesusbarrientos1999
    @jesusbarrientos1999 2 года назад +14

    I’m starting now as a CFI at 42 and this is exactly the question I had. Thank you!

    • @AviationCareersPodcast
      @AviationCareersPodcast  2 года назад +1

      You are more than welcome. Teaching is a great way to learn the nuances of aviation.

    • @jjohnson8867
      @jjohnson8867 9 месяцев назад

      ​@AviationCareersPodcast this was great info for me, I am 54 and just about to jump in. With the hsa and viba info, I am curious where else the funds can go? I have a military retirement and tricare/va and eventually both of those and Medicare with current law.

  • @zlodato
    @zlodato Год назад +4

    Excellent content. I just passed my ppl at the ripe age of 51, body is tired from being a general contractor for years, time for a career change!

    • @AviationCareersPodcast
      @AviationCareersPodcast  Год назад

      Congratulations! I am looking forward to hearing more about your journey towards your career goal.

  • @RobinReedCoach
    @RobinReedCoach 9 месяцев назад +1

    I started my career at 51. I'm a PPL on my way to commercial and it takes serious commitment to not quit. These videos keep me going, thank you brother.

    • @AviationCareersPodcast
      @AviationCareersPodcast  9 месяцев назад +1

      I am glad they help you. Keep doing something every day to move towards your career goal! I can't wait to hear about your success.

  • @av8tordonny398
    @av8tordonny398 Год назад +4

    I’m 55, CSEL-I, aviation degree, not current right now, but really want to finish my career as a pilot. Plan to get my CFI and build time in any way I can. I have a lot of contacts who can help me when I’m ready. I’d like to go 121 until 65, then on to Part 91 or 135. When I was looking at doing this 15 - 20 years ago, the FO pay made it impossible for me to take the cut. Now, it’s be a raise in a year or so. Flying has always been my passion, but life and career have gotten in the way. My kids are grown, the time just seems right. Hope I can do it. Love your info!

    • @AviationCareersPodcast
      @AviationCareersPodcast  Год назад +1

      That is terrific. I am glad you are pursuing your passion and please keep us up to date on the journey towards your career goal!

    • @budguy21
      @budguy21 Год назад

      Just remember: all those huge raises the regionals got is only temporary.

  • @stephenyoungblood3683
    @stephenyoungblood3683 Год назад +1

    Very helpful at 1340 hrs and 55 on the treadmill

  • @Kachequeen87
    @Kachequeen87 10 месяцев назад +1

    Love love love your content thanks for the motivation!!! ✈️🛩️

  • @onethousandtwonortheast8848
    @onethousandtwonortheast8848 Год назад +5

    Thank you for this episode. It touches on what many of us are trying to navigate. I’ve retired from a career recently and at 51 I’m starting to believe I can do this. I sent an e-mail to you with a question on the best way to get the hours needed as a complete beginner at 51 years of age.
    So many videos cover what to do as a younger person but I’ve never seen this topic handled on RUclips before. THANK YOU!

    • @AviationCareersPodcast
      @AviationCareersPodcast  Год назад +2

      I am glad this was helpful for you. I will share more on this topic and answer your question in an upcoming episode.

    • @onethousandtwonortheast8848
      @onethousandtwonortheast8848 Год назад +1

      @@AviationCareersPodcast Thank you!

    • @TheBlueseahunter
      @TheBlueseahunter 10 месяцев назад +2

      I'm 52, going for it also.

    • @TheBlueseahunter
      @TheBlueseahunter 10 месяцев назад

      @@onethousandtwonortheast8848 I will. God bless and great luck.

  • @spark8005
    @spark8005 Год назад +1

    Outstanding content!!

  • @dr.aviator
    @dr.aviator 10 месяцев назад

    This was good. Thank you sir!

  • @reyesben
    @reyesben 6 месяцев назад

    Great advice

    • @AviationCareersPodcast
      @AviationCareersPodcast  6 месяцев назад

      Thanks. The direction someone takes in their career is very specific to their goals and personal situation. I am glad this video helped.

  • @thelastboomer9088
    @thelastboomer9088 Год назад +3

    I’m 58 and still trying to decide what I want to do… retired from 36 years of government flying and been doing EMS past few years.

  • @JamR0ck
    @JamR0ck Год назад

    42 years old starting my ppl training in September.

  • @Skycop24
    @Skycop24 Год назад

    I'm currently a police officer in my early 30s and putting some serious thought into entering the aviation industry. Appreciate the advice, this video was extremely informative!

    • @AviationCareersPodcast
      @AviationCareersPodcast  Год назад

      Awesome! Good luck on your aviation journey and don't forget to do take one step every day toward your career goal.

    • @ItsAllAboutGuitar
      @ItsAllAboutGuitar 10 месяцев назад

      Defintiely change, please!

  • @aaronpage2781
    @aaronpage2781 Год назад

    When you say 5 year wide body compared to a 10 year fractional being the same pay, is that from starting off from scratch with that carrier?...certainly the fractional work schedule could be way less predictable than the major, correct?

  • @skippertara
    @skippertara Год назад +2

    I am stuck somewhere in africa, still clinging on to my childhood dream of one day becoming a career pilot, which I know I will, within the next 5 years, thank you sir for the insight shared here. I am 28. I will look back at this in 2027 and will be glad I held onto my dream. Safe landings sir and all here who are in this pursuit!

  • @TheFlyingZulu
    @TheFlyingZulu 11 месяцев назад

    25:30 The guy who did my dispatcher pratical oral test back in 2007-ish was an airline pilot but then became a dispatcher so that he could be home everyday.

  • @Timothy-ro1bb
    @Timothy-ro1bb Год назад +1

    I’m 59 ppl complete next month. Check ride only remains. Former football coach. I want to fly corporate! Come get me …..

  • @dsd-downshiftdave8056
    @dsd-downshiftdave8056 5 месяцев назад

    Thank you so much for this video
    Are the work schedules similar between the two? I'm assuming airline might be more flexible? Also, to fly bigger planes is that based on how many hours flown or training? What does training cost? If you have the funds can it be done at any time?

    • @AviationCareersPodcast
      @AviationCareersPodcast  4 месяца назад

      Great questions. Look for an answer in an upcoming video. If you need help deciding your career path I offer coaching at www.aviationcareerspodcast.com/coaching/

  • @edroman2042
    @edroman2042 Год назад +3

    I’m 55 and getting ready to start my career in aviation so no PPL yet. Financially this will be a step up from my current salary. I plan on going through an accelerated training. If I’m calculating correctly I should be able to get a good 5 to 7 years of flying in the regionals and or majors before the retirement age of 65. Am I being too optimistic?
    Thank you for providing such great content.

    • @AviationCareersPodcast
      @AviationCareersPodcast  Год назад +4

      Your estimates are good as long as you work hard. Remember you can fly after age 65 you can fly for corporate or charter airlines operating under part 135 or part 91.

    • @edroman2042
      @edroman2042 Год назад

      @@Victoria-wq6iw Planning on attending Paragon Flight in Fort Myers. There are others in the area but this will be the closest to me.

  • @reyesben
    @reyesben 6 месяцев назад

    How do you handle age related health issues? Let’s say you have prostate issues and bladder issues or high blood pressure or hearing loss?

    • @AviationCareersPodcast
      @AviationCareersPodcast  6 месяцев назад

      Best thing to do is make sure you can pass a First class medical prior to starting down the aviation career path. As a person ages medical issues tend to become more frequent and depending on the condition can have an adverse affect on your medical. That is why it is important to look into the medical disability insurance your employer provides. To further discuss specific issues offline please visit www.aviationcareerspodcast.com/coaching/.

  • @topofthegreen
    @topofthegreen Год назад

    The retirement age being 65, so much for flying charter.

  • @LukeNole
    @LukeNole Год назад

    What’s with the Red Knight coin in the Back?

    • @AviationCareersPodcast
      @AviationCareersPodcast  Год назад +1

      Yes VT-3. I have had clients over the years who worked at VT-3. They also come by and visit me at Sun N Fun occasionally. Were you in VT-3?

  • @Timothy-ro1bb
    @Timothy-ro1bb Год назад

    How do I do this quickly. What’s the best route to build hours for my situation?

    • @TheFlyingZulu
      @TheFlyingZulu 11 месяцев назад

      Enroll in a "pilot farm" type of school such as ATP. (just google ATP flight school). You'll need to either take out a massive loan or have 80-100k to burn paying for flight training, if you're going from zero experience all the way to flight instructor ratings. These programs will get you everything you need in like 6-8 months. Expect to treat it like a full time job, studying and flying 6-8 hours, 6 days a week.

  • @jom5826
    @jom5826 2 года назад +3

    Good afternoon can you explain when you can log pic time when you flight a single pilot aircraft operated as a copilot..what I tried to get is for example boutique air they are hiring copilot but the fly PC12 which can be a single pilot operation aircrafts..so how to build pic time like that? Thank you

    • @FlyingJournalism
      @FlyingJournalism 2 года назад

      That's a good question, i would go with sole manipulator of control pic time,

    • @jom5826
      @jom5826 2 года назад

      @@FlyingJournalism yeah I just got my multi las years look for some low time jobs I heard of them

  • @angelosenteio
    @angelosenteio Год назад

    How long do you need to work for the airlines to get the flight benefits in retirement?

    • @TheFlyingZulu
      @TheFlyingZulu 11 месяцев назад

      Do the Airlines still offer a pension?

  • @Hedgeflexlfz
    @Hedgeflexlfz 2 года назад +4

    Work your entire life to have a big 401k and then die a few years after retirement. This is the reality of most people.

    • @AviationCareersPodcast
      @AviationCareersPodcast  2 года назад +3

      This is the reason I became an airline pilot. Great income and many days off to enjoy the income while I am still young. Life is all about balance.

    • @budguy21
      @budguy21 Год назад +1

      you must be fun at parties

    • @Hedgeflexlfz
      @Hedgeflexlfz Год назад +2

      @@budguy21 Was there anything I said that was wrong?

    • @FEETLE
      @FEETLE Год назад +2

      @@Hedgeflexlfz no its just A perspective. whatever career people choose, 401k is only of numerous aims. majority of people on earth will work their entire life, and the new reality is that there no such thing as retirement. Especially if your enjoy your work

    • @TheFlyingZulu
      @TheFlyingZulu 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@Hedgeflexlfz Yes, nearly everything you said is wrong. Unless you are born wealthy or invent something extraordinary and make a lot of money in a short amount of time, you'll have to do SOME sort of work to survive... whether or not that's working on a self sustaining farm out in the middle of nowhere or working a normal job in a town or city. If you plan well, you can enjoy your time. When I was in the military we were given a month of paid time off per year... guess what I saved my money and took an entire month off at a time and had a lot of free time to travel and do what I wanted during that month off. So find a job you like and that actually threats their people decent and you can enjoy life and not be so negative. Also, make healthy life choices and you can live far past a retirement age... retire at 65 and live to be 90 or 95.

  • @michaelsmith5463
    @michaelsmith5463 Год назад +2

    Over 3m to start the video.--Why not put that in the headline and place a link??

  • @michaelgill7248
    @michaelgill7248 Год назад

    Things must have really changed. Are the airlines going to even consider someone in their 50s?

    • @AviationCareersPodcast
      @AviationCareersPodcast  Год назад +1

      They have been hiring people in their fifties for years now. Things sure have changed in the past 20 years.

    • @sophiasocal68
      @sophiasocal68 Год назад

      There's a black United FO who started flying with them at age 54, so yes, it's possible.

  • @thatguy7085
    @thatguy7085 Год назад

    Medical… or law…

  • @cesar.arrano
    @cesar.arrano Год назад +1

    How realistic is it being hired at my 45's and just got my commercial licence?
    They say that in some countries you can get hired with only 250 hours.

    • @AviationCareersPodcast
      @AviationCareersPodcast  Год назад +2

      Many people change careers at 45. With 250 hours you could apply for cadet programs. With that said, most pilots build hours for the airlines through other commercial flying jobs.