It looks like a lot of fun. Korea doesn't have many users, so we regard warriors as the lowest rank unconditionally, so the game is not possible with DPS warriors. I'm always happy with your videos. Thank you
I can't remember his name but there's a bear youtuber who's been doing this almost since the seasons started. He runs with some combination of 4 rets and frost dks.
I'm the Ret Paladin and I theorycraft no healer keys every season I play. It would be nice if you guys gave me some credit for it, rather than saying belittling stuff like "Ret is busted, it needs to be nerfed". That's not true. There are specs that need to be buffed. And Ret doesn't have crazy defensives anymore. Our consistent defensives are two 1 minute CDs, one of them shields us for 2.3M damage, which is almost nothing. The other one is 20% damage reduction. Then you have bubble, which you have to use wisely. The one thing that Rets have is good off-healing, if they CRIT + have versatility, 2 of the stats that I'm stacking, which is super unusual. Most Rets won't do much healing like this, but I'm not optimizing my DPS, I'm optimizing this hybrid playstyle that includes healing. That's why I also play wings on-use and not the proc ones. While Prot Pala is really strong as well, Zmok didn't off-heal crazy amounts during these keys. He was mostly focused on himself, because if he healed others, there's a high chance he would go out of mana since each Word of Glory costs 10% mana, hence the need to crit on it (otherwise it heals for like 20% of someone's HP without wings - it's horrible, and they've nerfed it already). In conclusion, the things that enable us to do this is the unique way I'm building my character + all of us being good players, playing around cooldowns. My overall is "high" because the build I've been playing is ultra AoE-oriented & heal support on bosses. It's not really even "high", compared to how broken Enhance is. With the nerfs to defensives & off-healing, there is no way a 4 DPS comp will be meta for the highest possible keys, but keys done in the top 0.1% are possible. It all requires a very solid team that builds correctly for it, though.
@@colinmitchell1575 It is true that Ret is super strong - damage, healing, utility. All of it is great. But ST damage is very lacking. And there are a couple of reasons why Enhance, Frost DK, Aug are more meta. If this was a group like Yoda's, their Enhance would be at 3.5M damage overall, probably. We played super safe and had to sacrifice damage for healing, so naturally our DPS isn't that high in this run, but it wouldn't be as high as a good Enhance no matter what. Paladin has always been able to off-heal well and it's not without a cost - even moreso this season. Our Word of Glory heal costs 10% mana + 3 holy power. We are trading a lot of defensives & consistency playing comps like this, and it would be extremely punishing in a key like City of Threads or Dawnbreaker. In higher level keys, there's a high chance we just get one-shot by mechanics or overwhelmed by them, as we run out of healing cooldowns & defensives. I believe there is more imbalanced stuff going on in the game, but why are we even talking about this? Why don't we focus on how fun it is to actually be creative and enjoy the game, rather than ask for nerfs all the time, comparing & destroying all the joy there is. Also, buff warrior!!
@@mtzlolp Yeah, people have tried all kinds of strategies since the beginning of WoW. I've never stated I'm the first, I just stated that this is what I like to do, I really enjoy it & it's become my main thing to do. I started playing keys in BFA and I've tried to do no healer stuff since then. Before that, I was a PvPer and I did the same in 2v2 & 3v3.
Real talk. I feel like Healers should all just play like Augs at this point. Just different variations of support where their gameplay loop is buffing their party, CC'ing mobs, Utility, and they maintain their uptime with heals instead of dmg like Aug. Tanks go back to their fully self sufficient selves and then we dont have to worry about dps defensive bloat.
The ret did 320k hps, that's tank hps not healer's. But still really high amount of off healing from ret. But ye it's really strong right now and debatably 2nd tankiest melee(I think rogue is up to debate with ret on 2nd spot after dk)
Critcake did do most dps overall while adding 300k dps from battle shout. But when you see their logs zephyr puts out a fuckton of 2.5mill word of glory too
That's the sad truth about the state of the game right now and the reason I've quit this addon for now. Healing is a fucking nightmare.... IF DPS don't kick properly, the damage income is utterly ridiculous. IF DPS (and tank, obv) do their job correct, then the damage income is so low that the self healing of them is almost enough. Kicking and not kicking is the difference of me using only Rejuvenation or ALL of my cooldowns and spamming Regrowths. It's ridiculous. It's bad. It's not fun. Blizzard, once again, failed the balancing department completely as far as healers are concerned.
@@david05GD I don't play a healer to DPS - that design philosophy has started the doom of the healer role to begin with. The problem with your statement is as follows: IF you do it all well, you don't really need me. But IF you DONT do it well, I'm instantly behind in healing and I can't make up for your mistake. That's a big issue. Healing is in a very, very bad state for PUG groups and literally every statistic we have available to us is proving this claim.
@@manuakasam this is great, ive been seeing that trend as well. the whole point in me playing healer is to heal. so youre telling me if the team does well then i dont need to play the whole reason im playing? if i wanted to dps then i would play dps? this trend is going sideways
it's only been 3-4 times that I've gotten paladin healing nerfed, LETS GO AGAIN, it doesn't matter that a WoG non-crit heals for 20% of someone's hp and costs 3 holy power + 10% mana causing you to go out of mana instantly, if you're not cycling cooldowns well
@zephyrindark 🤣 honestly I don't understand why they don't just put in some kind of flag on the abilities so that if a tank, but used on not-self, healing done is *significantly* reduced, without nerfing the paladins self-sustain.. Granted that they're playing with a lot of classes/specs that on the side of that has pretty 'decent' self sustain as well but... A key of this scaling with no healer should be impossible, and were it any other tank spec in the game, it would be. Pala tanks have the potential for crazy good damage bursts where you can barely beat them even when popping your CDs as a DPS - yeah, it's not every pull but imagine what power that has if you have it set to go for particularly difficult pulls... Also healing, off-healing *and* literal immunity to all damage and debuff applications if things get dicey in certain dungeons/pulls... It's just a giga-overloaded kit overall, whether all of it can be done in one build or not.. Why is it only pala tanks that get to have that much fun?
@@markh4604 No, ret damage isn't even top 5 for keys higher than this and they are ranked 24th in raids. If you offhealed like this, any normal or decent player's dmg would plummet. Prot paladin is fine, meta and strong, warrior too, they should be buffing bear, monks and blood DKs a bit. Rather making everything worse and sh*tty.
@@Despond Yea exactly as you said . Keys higher than this . Which is played like by 10000 players . Doesnt account to anything . Ret is giga uvertuned for its 3 button rotation and godtier utility
@@markh4604giga overtuned?🤣🤣🤣 So you havent seen any good enha/ele shammy in keys. And what is wrong about simpler rotation? Simpler rotation = nert it?🤣
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Played in a +8 with an aug. Bros name was augtism and he lived up to it
I actually laughed out loud
Lmao
I've seen one called Ourdamage
Dude I played with him in raid lol
lmfao
Blizz made all those changes to tanks and healers and this happened again. Unreal though!
and us casual tanks still die in +4 s because of the changes
sux
It looks like a lot of fun. Korea doesn't have many users, so we regard warriors as the lowest rank unconditionally, so the game is not possible with DPS warriors. I'm always happy with your videos. Thank you
hmm +15 completed without healer...better nerf fury....
wow sounding dumb while trying to sound smart, nerf crack while pregnancy oh and get good
I can't remember his name but there's a bear youtuber who's been doing this almost since the seasons started. He runs with some combination of 4 rets and frost dks.
nice content , whats the name of the addon that makes chat box minimal like that ?
I'm the Ret Paladin and I theorycraft no healer keys every season I play.
It would be nice if you guys gave me some credit for it, rather than saying belittling stuff like "Ret is busted, it needs to be nerfed". That's not true. There are specs that need to be buffed. And Ret doesn't have crazy defensives anymore. Our consistent defensives are two 1 minute CDs, one of them shields us for 2.3M damage, which is almost nothing. The other one is 20% damage reduction. Then you have bubble, which you have to use wisely. The one thing that Rets have is good off-healing, if they CRIT + have versatility, 2 of the stats that I'm stacking, which is super unusual. Most Rets won't do much healing like this, but I'm not optimizing my DPS, I'm optimizing this hybrid playstyle that includes healing. That's why I also play wings on-use and not the proc ones.
While Prot Pala is really strong as well, Zmok didn't off-heal crazy amounts during these keys. He was mostly focused on himself, because if he healed others, there's a high chance he would go out of mana since each Word of Glory costs 10% mana, hence the need to crit on it (otherwise it heals for like 20% of someone's HP without wings - it's horrible, and they've nerfed it already).
In conclusion, the things that enable us to do this is the unique way I'm building my character + all of us being good players, playing around cooldowns. My overall is "high" because the build I've been playing is ultra AoE-oriented & heal support on bosses. It's not really even "high", compared to how broken Enhance is.
With the nerfs to defensives & off-healing, there is no way a 4 DPS comp will be meta for the highest possible keys, but keys done in the top 0.1% are possible. It all requires a very solid team that builds correctly for it, though.
damn thats sick ! meanwhile my group with a healer cant survive a +12 XD ggs man! keep it up
also its still crazy what DPS you are doing whilst cosplaying the heal though. fair play to you, but thats imballanced no ?
@@colinmitchell1575 It is true that Ret is super strong - damage, healing, utility. All of it is great. But ST damage is very lacking. And there are a couple of reasons why Enhance, Frost DK, Aug are more meta. If this was a group like Yoda's, their Enhance would be at 3.5M damage overall, probably. We played super safe and had to sacrifice damage for healing, so naturally our DPS isn't that high in this run, but it wouldn't be as high as a good Enhance no matter what. Paladin has always been able to off-heal well and it's not without a cost - even moreso this season. Our Word of Glory heal costs 10% mana + 3 holy power. We are trading a lot of defensives & consistency playing comps like this, and it would be extremely punishing in a key like City of Threads or Dawnbreaker. In higher level keys, there's a high chance we just get one-shot by mechanics or overwhelmed by them, as we run out of healing cooldowns & defensives.
I believe there is more imbalanced stuff going on in the game, but why are we even talking about this? Why don't we focus on how fun it is to actually be creative and enjoy the game, rather than ask for nerfs all the time, comparing & destroying all the joy there is.
Also, buff warrior!!
People have been doing this long before you, nice ego though
@@mtzlolp Yeah, people have tried all kinds of strategies since the beginning of WoW. I've never stated I'm the first, I just stated that this is what I like to do, I really enjoy it & it's become my main thing to do. I started playing keys in BFA and I've tried to do no healer stuff since then. Before that, I was a PvPer and I did the same in 2v2 & 3v3.
I like those runs, alot more than the High High Keys 👍 keep it up
How don't you have carpal tunnel from playing fury?
anyone has a link to the WA that calls out defensive?
I think that's DBM calling out "defensive" meant for players in tank spec that option can be turned on regardless of what spec you're playing.
@@Veracious88 nah it's not dbm, thats something else, it's whenever you're getting targeted by something it calls defensive
I also need this WA
its probably tarithal dungeon pack
nice to see the bro Zeph here. =)
wow nice group and your party dps was insane man
Your nameplates are so overloaded!
is it possible to get ur elvui ?
I can hear JB already.
please explain the leap skip @critcake
Leap literally as the cast finishes. Too early and he will cancel your leap, too late and your leap doesn't start at all
@@Critcake Thanks
What point in this y’all talking about? I missed it in the video?
@@lalalala9734 29:22
Zmok has done this in a Long Long time by now👍
this is actually fucking insane holy
Any arms content soon? :)
no arms stinks
Hello, I've been watching you recently, you play great. Listen, I can find yours somewhere Nameplaters?
LOL mans just getting carried by 2 pallies pog
Its zmok broooo xD he used to do this stuffs since bfa on prot pala xD
Fun detected: nerf inc.
lol my pugs cant even make it thru a 13 with a healer
Zmok is doing it again
Real talk. I feel like Healers should all just play like Augs at this point. Just different variations of support where their gameplay loop is buffing their party, CC'ing mobs, Utility, and they maintain their uptime with heals instead of dmg like Aug. Tanks go back to their fully self sufficient selves and then we dont have to worry about dps defensive bloat.
Ret doing more dps than crit while healing like a healer LoL
He's doing more dps, while typing non stop and healing. Because ret is so mind numbingly simple and tuned high it's possible to do that.
@@grahamvandyke But fury big burst for 5 secs is tottally not ok so we nerf it 6 times xD
The ret did 320k hps, that's tank hps not healer's. But still really high amount of off healing from ret. But ye it's really strong right now and debatably 2nd tankiest melee(I think rogue is up to debate with ret on 2nd spot after dk)
@@grahamvandyke 185 wpm on typeracer bruv, i can type a sentence mid-global
Critcake did do most dps overall while adding 300k dps from battle shout.
But when you see their logs zephyr puts out a fuckton of 2.5mill word of glory too
Unreal!!
the goat
Is he a wow player or a hitman
ppl out there doing 15s without healer and im stuck at 3050 rio with 635ilvl failing to finish last 2 13s keys
You are still in the top 5% with those stats though. Can't have it all.
That's the sad truth about the state of the game right now and the reason I've quit this addon for now. Healing is a fucking nightmare....
IF DPS don't kick properly, the damage income is utterly ridiculous. IF DPS (and tank, obv) do their job correct, then the damage income is so low that the self healing of them is almost enough.
Kicking and not kicking is the difference of me using only Rejuvenation or ALL of my cooldowns and spamming Regrowths.
It's ridiculous. It's bad. It's not fun. Blizzard, once again, failed the balancing department completely as far as healers are concerned.
I disagree with you, if tanks and Dps are doing their job it means you can dps a lot more, try to enjoy that part of the healer role.
@@david05GD I don't play a healer to DPS - that design philosophy has started the doom of the healer role to begin with.
The problem with your statement is as follows:
IF you do it all well, you don't really need me. But IF you DONT do it well, I'm instantly behind in healing and I can't make up for your mistake.
That's a big issue.
Healing is in a very, very bad state for PUG groups and literally every statistic we have available to us is proving this claim.
Half of the dungeons are from the previous addons. Did you also leave them?
@@manuakasam they are one shot or nearly mechanics but that’s not the norm like you seems to say
@@manuakasam this is great, ive been seeing that trend as well. the whole point in me playing healer is to heal. so youre telling me if the team does well then i dont need to play the whole reason im playing? if i wanted to dps then i would play dps? this trend is going sideways
Please dont be the end game meta.
this shouldnt be possible.
says who
Dayumm
Guess Paladins are getting another nerf 😆
it's only been 3-4 times that I've gotten paladin healing nerfed, LETS GO AGAIN, it doesn't matter that a WoG non-crit heals for 20% of someone's hp and costs 3 holy power + 10% mana causing you to go out of mana instantly, if you're not cycling cooldowns well
@zephyrindark 🤣 honestly I don't understand why they don't just put in some kind of flag on the abilities so that if a tank, but used on not-self, healing done is *significantly* reduced, without nerfing the paladins self-sustain..
Granted that they're playing with a lot of classes/specs that on the side of that has pretty 'decent' self sustain as well but... A key of this scaling with no healer should be impossible, and were it any other tank spec in the game, it would be.
Pala tanks have the potential for crazy good damage bursts where you can barely beat them even when popping your CDs as a DPS - yeah, it's not every pull but imagine what power that has if you have it set to go for particularly difficult pulls... Also healing, off-healing *and* literal immunity to all damage and debuff applications if things get dicey in certain dungeons/pulls... It's just a giga-overloaded kit overall, whether all of it can be done in one build or not..
Why is it only pala tanks that get to have that much fun?
please nerf aug blizz what is this 😭
Its prot and ret what needs a fat nerf
@@markh4604 No, ret damage isn't even top 5 for keys higher than this and they are ranked 24th in raids. If you offhealed like this, any normal or decent player's dmg would plummet. Prot paladin is fine, meta and strong, warrior too, they should be buffing bear, monks and blood DKs a bit. Rather making everything worse and sh*tty.
@@Despond Yea exactly as you said . Keys higher than this . Which is played like by 10000 players . Doesnt account to anything . Ret is giga uvertuned for its 3 button rotation and godtier utility
@@markh4604giga overtuned?🤣🤣🤣 So you havent seen any good enha/ele shammy in keys. And what is wrong about simpler rotation? Simpler rotation = nert it?🤣