@@TellanLeeis right, you should have adjusted your filters. According to hltv s1mple played 6 maps online for 2022, while zywoo played 8. Online matches in lower tiers are bound to have more variance in how well players do as some of them face vastly inferior teams in qualifiers and other such events. As a result hltv ratings will likely be inflated, or at least unsuited as a metric of performance in a high level environment.
I do but i ignored it even tho its in my subs tab. You need to have a watermark or your pretty face on every thumbnail. You know how sad it is when i see a video of yours without a red bar under thumbnail? HOW I COULD MISS PHILIP?!
47yo here. 😁 Same^^^Gaming since 8 yrs old. CS since 1.1. Still fun to be around. Casually playing with 50 and 60+ Guys. They play with their kids and grandkids.^^
Turned 50 this year. Got called a hacker twice this week. I've developed really good game sense after 20+ years of playing CS. Speed is still decent too.
Doesn't the hltv stats page automatically adjust the minimum maps played filter based on your other options picked? That's probably the cause of the issue
id love to see some actual studies that show reaction time decreasing as you age... in subjects that actually train to optimize for it... most people get mentally sloppy as they age because they simply start using there brain in less challenging ways, the brain atrophies and becomes weak when demands are not being placed on it. Taking average people off the street at various ages to conduct these studies really proves nothing of worth and thats the very premise a lot of these arguments base themselves on.
I believe there is more to this, Quake 3 was my training ground, I was against either hackers and pros, not really an inbetween especially in 07-11 when i had my first pc, but i had fun regardless, lights off from 12am to 7am, then ill go to the shop, get x2 coke 1 milk and some sweets and cookies for £2 and play fallout 2 as a break. Anyway, games familiar with the speedy snappy simplicity of quake, e.g CoD and i was the player that everyone wants on their team on blacklight retribution, they feel familiar with the quake style loop, even if not directly comparible, but CS ill be bad at, it makes no sense, i didnt learn it and i used to play 1.6 back in the day too, often shotguns only cos i might get a hit, in the last 6 years most my multiplayer FPS time has been on battlebit, just the average support class where a gg for me is something like 38/28 After binging quake 2 for the past few weeks, and still do, i go on to battlebit, standard support loadout G36c + drum i dont care i just play, it feels slowmo in comparison, i care less about the recoil, and im going nuts like ggs extremely often that has recently been somewhere in the average realms of 79/35 just often exceding 70 kills, now sure, the best players are hitting 180 and above, but there is something with my developed muscle memory from the quake days that basically "retuned" what i was tought, so i dont think you lose the ability as such, more like the early muscle developments are stronger than later ones you learn, i have no clue, but thats how it feels to me.
The only competitive scene I follow (sports, E or otherwise) is Age of Empires 2, and see people talk about age is so funny to me. I understand CS is a completely different genre, but in AoE2 you stand out by being in your 20s when the consistent top 10 has only like 2 people in their in their 20s. This is especially true since the game has gotten so old that by being young and getting into the highest levels mean you weren't even born when the game came out. TheViper has recently stopped winning every S-tier tournament and one of his musings about his performance for the past few years has been how he can't be guaranteed to be able to play at his best on an arbitrary day. Some days you'll wake up and play your best, some days are just meh.
Fernando Alonso is 42 years of age and is still competing in Formula 1. Havent watched the video yet but I just want to say that you can still have good reaction times as you get older.Although, he is a professional athlete and I am just a 30 year old bloke who plays games on the weekend
He's probably more of an exception than the rule. Kimi didn't look as quick as him at this age, but he was in a worse car as well. Maybe it's also a question of motivation. But to add to the comment, check out the comparison of Alonso's and Sainz's reaction to losing their car in the most recent Chinese grand prix. Impressive save from Alonso.
It's not all about reaction time to be a fast racing driver. There are many older top drivers competing at the top (Scott Dixon, IndyCar). But you won't find anyone of their age in esports, where it is all about reaction time.
I remember when I first started playing CSGO on an HP laptop in 2015, looking at the smokes and going "...yikes" Even the smokes in CS:Source looked better (albeit, they weren't quite as effective from a gameplay perspective)
62 year old CS2 player here :D The only FPS I have ever played, been playing for about 6 years now. Still getting top fragger often, and usually in top 3 on the team, Just tonight did 23 kills for 4 deaths, so there is hope, and maybe as the player base matures, the numbers will back this up. glhf
I met a player on Insurgency Sandstorm, level 3300+, born in 1942, man was playing that game day in - day out. Never found a better, more committed teammate than him on that game. Godspeed Coffindodger, I hope to be like you someday :)
I noticed Insurgency and games like that have a lot of older folks. Just the other day I met a 56yo. It's honestly cool how most of them are just chill and overall great teammates
Being 30 and watching other 30+ year olds play, aging makes a difference. But what makes more difference is experience and motivation. A highly experienced and motivated 40 year old will still wipe the floor with 20 year olds. Reaction time is more valuable in top level CS. Where almost everyone is experienced and motivated. Every little bit of advantage and disadvantage is way more obvious there.
Vishy Anand is a former chess world champion and still 2nd place in Fide ratings for India which is the biggest country and very serious about chess at 54y, while the average age of the other players in top 10 is ~20, while he is barely active. If he was more motivated, he would still be number 1. While CS is more demanding of reaction time which is supposed to deteriorate more rapidly due to aging (not really proven, only observed but that can also be explained by loss of motivation), still 10ms of reaction time isnt fatal and with superior training, shotcalling, strategy and teamplay you will stomp everyone. Maybe you wont get to win worlds, but you would still be safe within the first percentile if all you lack is 10ms.
@@kockoklosharcheto id love to see some actual studies that show reaction time decreasing as you age... in subjects that actually train to increase it... most people get mentally sloppy as they age because they simply start using there brain in less challenging ways. Taking average people off the street to conduct these studies really proves nothing of worth.
True. At almost 30 and a reaction time of still roughly 180ms I feel that experience is MUCH more valuable than noticing and reacting to enemies faster. Most of the times I lose a fight, its not because the other guy was faster. So while it does help, its not more important than everything else.
I mean I'm 33 and my reactions are pretty much as good as ever, and my aim is tbh better than it was before. It's not even an age where you should think about "aging", it's just a default age to be in 2024, lol. Just be happy you're not a zoomer.
@@hcsnake I feel the same way. My reaction times have stayed the same since my early 20s. I still snap to heads fast enough to compete with the late teens haha. But my game sense and awareness has suffered a bit. But that has more to do with me not playing much anymore.
I'm 33 and still playin' but is true what you say about motivation. As you age you start to prioritize other aspects on your life. Gaming takes a backseat! Nice vid, Philips !
I dropped from 40-50 hrs per 14 days to 0-10hrs after the age of 24-25. Also CS2 just killed my interest completely. Gaming isn’t really that interesting when you have real life goals to pursue.
32 here for some reason my prime was 25 - 27 in cs:go i stopped smoking and went to gym a lot. Now i work 8 hours per day, i vape like a pig ( im not fat ) but i feel like my skill went down for some reason. I had a 2 years break :(
@@Frieza.43 better to stop playing pc games. Who gives a shait about skills on a videogame, you wont get anything out of it, and when you get worse at playing you only get teenagers yelling like they lost their family dog or something, kinda for losers i feel like
It's honestly why i won't make an effort to map for source2 at professional standards (despite mapping on and off since 1.6) because it isn't motivating enough anymore. No more friends who play, very little chance to get map added in game, just as low chance to make money from hundreds of hours put into a project... I will focus on learning UE5 instead to get ready for Rocket League and PUBG moving to UE5, and Unreal is a skill I can actively make money with unlike Source2. Priorities do change, but it doesn't have to be about taking video games less seriously. It's just we have more responsibilities that take priority over pure fun and social status.
51 here. Playing since original CS early betas. Nowadays I only play once a week some premier or competitives, but I am still very often the best player in these matches by KD and damage. But because CS is more about teamplay, I think KD-ratio is only one parameter to measure your reaction time and coordination, but could be also misleading about someones general skill in the game, which is much more than putting crosshairs on enemies heads.
33 here. I stopped playing competetive around 2 years ago and only focus on completing single player games nowadays. I simply don't want to bother with toxic players, cheaters and other bullshit anymore. Been way happier since then.
Being in my early twenties and grinding the ladder with the boys will always stay with me as some of the fondest memories I have. I know it will never be the same, but once in a while I get the urge to climb the ranks just one last time..
Im 31 and my reflexes are much better (comparing myself not to others) now days than when I was let's say 19 or even 25. Just the more you play the better you become and your brain gets more conditioned.
The absolute main reason why older people get worse at gaming is NOT because of age but because the older you get the less important gaming gets. People get a wife, house, kids, job. People go on with their lifes. In actual sport like football it is more noticeable. With 35 I'm much slower than 20 year olds even tho I train more than them but the joints of my body went through a lot and are just slower and hurt.
And the people that were good enough to stick around for over 10 years (basically phenoms, the world elite) will have won so much by that time, that the pull to keep going will be less and less. Many people are not good enough to play for a very long time. Their skill plateaus, they are incompatible with gameplay changes etc. And so they will just simply not show up, they never kept playing. Another interesting comparison is to look at initial stats from very young players coming into tier 1 CS, versus older people (25+) that enter pro CS late. Here, I would love to see what the difference in stats look like if there is any. Since both of these age groups probably have the same drive to compete and win something.
i strongly disagree i am 30yo been gaming since 1.6 with no family or friends, menial job that keeps my ego low, and despite me doing a lot of self growth, introspection and meditation, i still decline purely cognitively speaking. it also doesn't help that nowadays there are so many war psyops utilizing cheaters and smurfs in games to anger people who are comfortable outside of politics.
30yo here, have been playing since I was 5, but competitive shooters since I was 17 and up until I was around 27 so let's say 10 years. From my experience, your relationship with gaming changes over time. You start enjoying different things in life and different kinds of games too. I still can get top of the leaderboard in online matches, but it doesn't matter as much anymore. I still take those tests for hand eye coordination (we did those out of curiosity back in 2015 and we took them yearly just to check our progress) and with enough focus I still place in the top 7% of people based on that sites data. It just doesn't get me as big of a rush anymore. Our friend group was close to tearing apart when we got on a lose streak years ago, now we just mostly chill and play games to have a good time. I think maturing is perfectly ok, but it doesn't necessarily mean you become a fossil. Practice makes perfect, at some point you just don't feel like practicing this specific skill
The life of an esports player is not as easy as it may seem. Expect frequent traveling to tournaments, most of your time spent indoors, stressing weeks-long bootcamps and as igl or coach, hours upon hours spent watching other teams' demos. There are many reasons which combined cause older players to quit. 1) A lot of them settle down and start a family with kids, which would be difficult to attend to while competing. 2) They have achieved a lot/made a ton of money and simply don't have the hunger or the need to compete anymore. 3) The game and meta changed a lot and they are either unable or unwilling to keep up. 4) They have other goals such as streaming which is way easier than esports if succesful. (or other things: Pasha's real dream was to open a gym). 5) They simply can't keep up with such a demanding lifestyle and give up. Karrigan's success as a relatively old player is due to his passion, hunger, work ethic and adaptability.
i'll be 35 in a small handful of months, and i'm still better at most games than most people i personally know, older and younger. it's all about consistency; once you have less time to dedicate to something - this goes for any skill you have obtained - you begin to slip, and i've been able to arguably spend more time playing games as i get older as i have a job that allows me to work from home and the people i live with share the same interests. some people gain spouses and families, some people simply lose interest in gaming with time, some people are potentially pressured to retire young due to the stigma related to gaming and aging, etc etc. maybe in the future we'll be able to measure this better, but there's simply too many life events that like to overlap with this phenomenon for us to be able to use such a broad dataset to measure it
@@Zeqweery ok? what exactly do i gain by lying in this context lmao, plus you can do an extremely rudimentary amount of e-stalking to find that i'm telling the truth, sorry bud
29 here. I don't feel like I am limited because of my age. Infact, I am better than ever. Pro QUake player Rapha is in his mid-late 30's now and still dominates. I know a few guys that jump around in CoD and are early 40's, better than me even + insane reflexes. I guess at the very top the younger ones will prevail as reflexes dull over time. But then again, CS might be skewed towards reaction time more.
31 and I feel like my skills were dulled slightly but not by much. Avid FPS gamer since single digit age, I miss the UT99 days. But yea, I tried CS for the first time against a buddy who's been playing for 15 years (he's 36 years old) and he mopped the floor with me, was somewhat demoralizing lol. Mainly because I'd never played CS, I primarily play arena FPS.
Key is being healthy in both body and mind. Eat cheetos, starve your brain of necessary fatty acids, have a poor sleep schedule and don’t exercise you have a recipe for poor performance when older. I play better at 35 than I ever did when younger.
I think for the most part the reason why average people get worse at games over time is the same as any other hobby or sport, you do it less and less. Idk about you but I used to warm up play dm for a solid time and then spend hours playing, now esp with all the issues plaguing Cs and getting busy, playing 3 games in one sitting is me going crazy. Ofc I'm gonna be worse, doesn't necessarily mean it's cuz of my age. Also, thank you for taking the time to get us the data Filipe just cuz you're curious ❤
precisely. Even if you got the time to play all day, the older you get, the more you enjoy a break every now and then. Friends play a huge role on top. If you're say 15-20 you usually have your friends on call right after school, if you get older you don't really do that anymore as everyone has moved on and playing together becomes less frequent due to differing time tables and additional tasks, leading to booting up the game less often.
There's a lot of 30+ gamers out there in other games that are still super good at the games they play. There's a lot more to being good at most games than pure reaction time, especially in more strategic titles. I'm 27 now, and I'm definitely better at most games now than when I was at 17 because I've had a decade of experience to improve my skills and decision making. Someone in League of Legends even accused me of scripting the other day because I'm really good at dodging enemy attacks.
The problem isnt raw skill, its that people nearing or higher than 30 lose the passion and drive to play a videogame 14 hours a day. At some point it becomes boring playing more than a few hours a day. It is also harder to adapt to changes. Theres also health issues that can complicate things when getting older, like neck pain, headaches, etc.. making it harder to sit comfortably for 12+ hours a day. In terms of raw skill, im sure a 30 y/o can still perform as well if not better than youngins, but sustaining that skill and being consistent is much harder.
I think in short the "30+ year olds" of yesteryear (2000s thru 2020) only "fall off" because the competitive scene wasn't as intense during their active years, if that makes sense. A 30 year old in 2030, IMO, won't have the skill ceiling issue or the skill dropoff issue that is observable in some boomers nowadays lol
32 year old gamer here. My reaction time has improved over the years, and I still regularly drop 20-30 kill games when I play. I don't play as much because I simply don't have the time these days to play as much as I did 10 years ago. I believe I am technically better at every game I play now then I was in my twenties, the results are just worse simply because I don't play nearly enough to make a positive impact.
My grandpa is like 65 or something like that and he's not a bad gamer. He definitely lacks the reaction speed, but he has a good aim. It'd be quite sad if you had a bad aim if you have played FPS games since they became a thing.
I'm 53 and stil kick ass in cs. My reflexes are on point and my vision is still excellent because I am a lifelong gamer. I've had my ears tested and I can still hear the high frequencies that 20 year olds can hear and most people my age cannot. I sing and play guitar. I do smoke cannabis, but I do not smoke any tobacco products of any kind and I do not drink. The only energy drink I consume is coffee. I drink lots of water. I've been gaming since at least 1980. Been playing cs since 1.1, long before steam existed.
I think there is also another effect at play here. Only the good players tend to stay until “old age”, skewing the skills for these players. I would argue the older players represent the highest skill levels, whereas the younger her players encompass a much wider skill level. The “average” players slowly fade away as they age and will not be able to extend contracts.
I'm 37 years old and I still have the aim and mechanics of someone much younger. The issue with being old isn't your skill decreasing, it is your responsibilities increasing. I can't play CS 1.6 like I did in high-school for 20 hour gaming sessions on the weekend. I gotta do other things. I bet a 40 year old with zero responsibilities could train themselves to be better than 99.5% of the players. I still think dedication and hard work trump age.
i think theres so many other factors to this then "reaction time slow". most of it probably has to do with people getting actual lives and responsibilities as they get older so they dont really have the time to mindlessly grind a ranked ladder. could also have to do with the financial opportunity cost that comes with being a pro player. not sure how much they make vs a traditional job but i would assume the traditional job is probably much more profitable unless you're the best of the best in esports
As a recreation assistant I earn about £110 on a long day (8 hours) and £60-£80 on other days. And I work most days of the week. Not sure but I might be better off than the seasonal stuff that has no guaranteed payout.
I have a theory that reflexes don't actually get worse with age it's just that people who get older get more commitments and life responsibilities, you get a kid, a wife etc. and you start playing less and less. less practice, reflexes are not trained, reflexes get worse. they say your brain is like a muscle, maybe if you stop gaming / practicing reflex intensive stuff it gets worse, not necessarily from age. btw I'm 30 and according to Human Benchmark I have a reaction time of 160ms which is faster than average 🤷♂ also no Caboosing on this video? 😩
Always curious about a rating system that takes into account the value of your equipment vs the value of an opponent's equipment when a kill is recorded(for or against you) and then to see what that would look like. Using an AWP, getting eco frags, dying with a full belt of utility(when maybe you could have used some), would probably be somewhat accounted for in interesting ways.
i mean these results make sense. as you grow older your reflexes deteriorate, but not by a huge amount, and the longer you do something and practice it the better you become. it seems to me that older players are similar to younger players for that reason.
did you even look at the results? there aren't as many older players, you can't get a good comparison when the ratio of old vs young players is so imbalanced
@@nveronline2914 Still not enough data, and there's barely a dent in performance. Look, all I'm saying is, it's not about reflexes only, it's about priorities and circumstances. CS is a much bigger sport now, and it attracted many young people. And young people want to dedicate a ton of time to get better. Reflexes don't significantly deteriorate like that, and a slight delay is not as bad when you can have experience. Give it time... today's younger pros players will grow old, and they will put up a great challenge against younger players in the future. Gaming is bigger now.
@@perfectlyroundcircle did you read my comment even. Your tone is that of disagreement but you are just saying things I said in different ways lol. I agreed that reflexes do t deteriorate that much and that other factors are more important to a players success.
@@nveronline2914 Well, shit. I must've responded to the wrong comment. I remember trying to reply to someone saying reflexes matter the most. Then I just continued the conversation after mistaking the first comment. Sorry, mate! My bad.
I hit Global Elite in October 2022 in Australia at 36 years old (I have played since beta 3) And only play maybe 8-10 hours a week now with work and family commitments.
Been playing counterstrike sinse first beta, I think I had my peek at around 31-34, having routine and aim at the same time. After then i've been struggeling with numbnes in my arm, not feeling comfortable while gaming after longer sessions. Having a kid also doesnt help on your ability to focus. Not that the kid disturbs me but just the fact that you are never really resting while being first a dad and then a gamer. You are not able to practise in the same amount and having the mental energy to focus. I also think that gaming has been less fun the later years after 35 and I think maybe the mental reward system that is built into games these days is effecting me less now than before.
@@darshk4703 "He is good for his rank" literally is a nonsense statement. What does it even mean? "He is silver 1 but he has 1.3 hltv rating" still is a bad player for example.
I am 45 years old and I am still at the same level as 25 years ago when I started with CS beta. But I don't play as much as I used to be because I usually don't solo queue anymore and play only with mates that just as old as I am. The thought of being called names by some 12 year old kid that thinks it is the next pro player is just not as charming. I guess that goes for most of the older guys.
I have a friend who 60 and still a better gamer than I am in most cases and I'm in my 20s, I think practice makes the player and the skill... therefore skill issue.
Even worse when you haven’t play video games since GTA San Andreas and Half Life 2. And now you are trying to get back to it with the most current titles. Like me 😢 I felt so overwhelmed with some of them
@@youbaouahdi4358 not gonna lie, I played some games every now and then like Batman Arkham (just need to play Arkham knight). But I think that’s it. I was trying to play fallout 3 the other day and it felt so overwhelming with all the stats and everything, I also realize that I don’t like RPGs. My list of games to play are God of War, the last of us, Spider-Man, ghost of Tsushima and Arkham knight for now
A lot are just a bit bad now or too specific and the specificity of how they're designed to be played and the importance of meta can be overwhelming, or too far the other way and messy like cod. I found battlebit to be a breath of fresh air and compares better to titles from back then.
Considering you mentioned San Andreas, have you thought about checking out Rockstar Games' recebt releases like Red Dead Redemption 2 or the other GTA gales (i know there's only GTA 4 and 5 lol)
I've been gaming for the past 25 years~ and while my reaction times might actually be slower now I still feel like I'm better at gaming at 30 than I was when I was 5, largely due to how much I've learned about PVPing, things like knowing how to frequently pulloff successful flanks, knowing to prioritise targets (for example you round a corner and the next frame you see two guys, by frame 2 you see the guy further away has a gun pointed at you while the closer target is facing away and by frame 3 you should have picked the one looking at you instead of the one looking away) in every situation, don't tunnel vision/hear, anticipating enemies with high accuracy, knowing how to position in rooms/environments, CQC tactics like slicing the pie, managing to not be stressed out (looking at you tarkov) in every encounter, proficiency in aim snapping, being suspicious about a handful of pixels that look out of place, understanding how the fighting works in one game vs another, sound whoring, paying attention to any and all information methods like audio, etc etc Years of skill building are more important than "lol brain go brrr" 9/10 times IMHO
At 30 your reaction time should definitely still be faster than when you're 5. Children that young have undeveloped motor skills and reflexes. You're probably a bit slower than a 16 year old, though, but the difference isn't huge - reaction time actually peaks in your early to mid twenties, not in childhood or adolescence.
is the 1.03 KD average just small sample portions not recorded/redundant? I thought it would be under 1, given that there would be at least one guy alive at the end of most rounds? Infact, wouldn't 0.90 also be ridiculous? I see heaps of games where more than one guy lives. One guy kills four enemies, then the enemy solo aces = 00.900 5 (1) 4 (1) 0 (8) .... = 00.90 , or have i made a careless assumption error?
7:26 Talos music spotted !!11!1!1!1. You should make a video on that game, if you haven't already. Interesting video, even if you haven't reached a definite conclusion. I guess age doesn't matter as much from a physical POV( reaction time, other stuff it could affect idk) but people simply get other responsibilities, or they want to do something else, life happens. Hopefully you will keep making videos for us till you die.
32, stronger, faster and better mental conditioning than I've ever had, highest rated I've ever been in all competitive games and I've been gaming all my life.
im turning 23 in a couple months and I'm far better than I ever was when I was like 13/14 grinding csgo every day. only picked up CS again since CS2 came out too. like that other guy said, people are also just better at CS nowadays.
I'm 19 and feel too old to play competitively anymore. I used to grind like crazy in highschool during COVID but know I don't feel like playing games anymore :( I''m not a kid no more :((
I think analyzing metrics based on physical ability (reflex, coordination, keystrokes per minute) might be a little more insightful. It might be the case that players 25+ rely on gamesense and positioning more than entry fragging and aim.
I don't think your analysis makes much sense. You compare the level of competition of players of different ages in an environment that already filters out any player of lower skill. In that regard, which you even mentioned, you should look at the overall number of players in each age group. It's like analysing the rank of global elites, but then saying you can't do much analysis because a certain age group isn't of that rank. Probably because that age group is either of lower rank, which then makes the overall number of players of certain ages in certain ranks the actual number you should look at, or because the game itself is being played less by people of certain age groups, which then also kind of portrays an answer to your question. If you start out by looking at the age of random players and then calculate the average hltv rating of each age group, I think your graph would look more correct, eventhough to get an active hltv rating you would need to already be on a certain minimum skill level, which then just circles back to looking at the amount of players of each age group to determine at what age one is most competitive.
The best way to analyse how age effects gameplay would be to track a player performance over their lifetime and then find the average for all competitive players. You could then see what age each player was best at and when the average "peak" of peoples performance is. I think a reason this competitive data is hard to draw conclusions from is from is that if a player is too young/old to play at a competitive level, they get filtered out of the data. Trying to find the historical data for a large collection of people might be really difficult to do. However maybe someone could try get in contact with hltv or something because I think the data would be really interesting.
But over time, the average level of players increases, hence the longer you play, the more skillful your opponents are and the harder it is for you to maintain the same stats as before. In other words, your performance will degrade not because of your age, but because younger players have grown up in a more competitive environment and have access to the knowledge and skills you "invented". The result is again not a measurement of the rate of skill decline with age, but a measurement of the difference in level of play between players of different generations.
I started playing cs at 22. My first rank was silver 2 :) Im 30 now and before switch to cs2 my rank was fluctuating between legendary eagle and DMG. I definitely play now better than i did 8 years ago :) Everyone has their own journey. Stay strong, brothers and sisters!
There are other genres to look at as well. Fighting games is probably the genre that trends the oldest, many of the best players are in their late 30s to mid 40s, like Daigo Umehara, Bae Jaemin, Tokido, etc
I do think we will likely see an increase in the amount of players who are over 30 staying in the professional scene moving forward, compared to the years prior. Particularly because of how much larger gaming is as a whole, and how much more it can financially support you compared to many (not all) games in the past. Even if there is a slight dip at this age it is most certainly not due to age itself, rather a plethora of other factors (motivation, lack of time/practice, etc). However, I do think there will be a trend of these players going for longer as time goes forward. Great video as always!
People also stop being good at videogames out of spite. For example, for ten years in a row i was gaslit by From Software fanboys that I will never be "good" at videogames until I "beat" dark souls and i should just quit gaming and have a "calmer" hobby like reading or gardening instead. I decided to play DS2 after ten years, and was disgusted by how easy it was and how dying literally doesn't punish you. I refunded it, then I decided to take one of these From Software fanboys and make them play Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, a roguelike that was marketed for literal actual children. He ragequit after fainting 8 times against drowzee and destroyed his controller. Luckily I was using melon so he did not destroy a DS. This made me realize that being "good" at videogames literally doesn't matter because even if you are the best player in the ENTIRE planet, people will STILL find excuses to say that you're not and constantly find ways to make their dick look bigger than yours. So why bother being good? Block everyone, play only and exclusively the games you LOVE, let them rage at each other. What's the point of having friends if they all eventually become violent towards you because you didn't accept Hidetaka Miyazaki as your lord and savior?
For me personally with age I just don't try hard as much at winning. I try to win but it's more casual in it's approach. I don't go through extreme lengths as I did over 10 years ago. You know where you do that thing where you look up stats for each gun or vehicle in a game or best loadouts? Today I don't use the "meta". I just use whatever I feel like. When you are young you always feel like you should prove something. It goes away with age, not because of reflexes slowing down but just life experience.
This way of doing data is wrong, We should just analyze individual players fall off period. It's like doing average speed of a car which will probably be closer to the speed limit but it won't account for lunatics and turtle drivers
CS is largely reliant on reflexes, but it's also largely reliant on game sense. Reaction times do start to drop off around 24 or 25, this has been studied before. However, a player with good game sense can continue to perform well simply by outsmarting their opponents. I am 27. I have noticed my reactions dropping a bit. I perform much worse, but this is because all I ever had was reactions, and I have always been a shit player when it comes to game sense. I gave up on the game shortly after CS2 came mostly due to the other problems that came with CS2, but also because I can no longer tell if someone is cheating, or if my reactions have fallen to a point where I am simply just shit at the game.
Ok so here's some hot takes from me, someone who turned 28 near the end of last year and has been PC gaming specifically playing FPS games since I was 5 years old or less. I played CS:S for the record lol Ok so.. For about 5 solid years between 2017 and 2022 I played a CS knockoff called Black Squad and I became one of the best players in the whole game. I quit because they broke the AK and the cheaters became out of control. I took a hiatus for like 2 years and played Fortnite instead, for fun, not to be amazing. I got good at that, and then recently I returned to CS, in CS:2. Now I'm already being accused regularly of WH, I see my KD go up as I learn the maps, and I would say I am as good as I've ever been. I don't see myself getting worse, at all, I see myself consistently getting better. And I use a weighted mouse, I haven't changed my mouse (though I've replaced it) since 2017 or so. (Corsair M65 RGB Pro) What I think is gamers back when I was a kid experienced as they got older was that there simply wasn't the ubiquity of people going crazy on comp FPS with ezpz matchmaking that constantly happened on a whim. I think that at a certain point it was "it's too inconvenient to get a match and I have better things to do." = skill ceiling The significant piece of data for me is that I have never stopped playing, even if it's casual, I feel like people "my age" stop playing because it becomes something extra. Over the years the competitive FPS games I've played consistently were: Halo (all of the games until about 2012), CS:S, CS:GO, Blacklight: Retribution (reached endgame had every cosmetic that existed lol, if you know you know,), Black Squad, and CS:2.
Also something I would note about my data is that I really really really don't give a single fuck about the usual things people care about. I don't want kids, I don't care for a nice big house although I did have one, I have interests and I love my interests. Gaming is an escape for me from the shit I've gone through and I still want to "be the best," I will never not want to "be the best" and it's a problem for me as it bleeds into every aspect of my life. I was definitely an early prototype of modern zoomers as I always was on my PC as a kid versus spending time outside with other kids doing normal kid stuff, if you could replace smart phones with a PC and turn the clocks back 15 years, you have whatever I was lol
I miss going low, that whole series is awesome, especially the stories. I also love the videos about your dreams and game making journey. I think you're just a really good story teller.
If you want to explore which stats correlate with high player rankings as you mentioned in the video, you should look into principle component analysis. When you have many variables and many samples, it's a good way to see which variables correlate with each other (e.g. player ranking and hsp) and which ones don't. It's a bit of a rabbit hole, but it's very doable without having to get into the world of AI.
If you recognise the thumbnail then you're old
@3kliksphilip maybe you should filter by Lan only ? as most pro players aren't grinding online tournaments, they're traveling
@@TellanLeeis right, you should have adjusted your filters. According to hltv s1mple played 6 maps online for 2022, while zywoo played 8. Online matches in lower tiers are bound to have more variance in how well players do as some of them face vastly inferior teams in qualifiers and other such events. As a result hltv ratings will likely be inflated, or at least unsuited as a metric of performance in a high level environment.
I do but i ignored it even tho its in my subs tab. You need to have a watermark or your pretty face on every thumbnail. You know how sad it is when i see a video of yours without a red bar under thumbnail? HOW I COULD MISS PHILIP?!
I tried my childhood s game bf2 i break cs
Or not from the country of this band? ( I'm 44 soon)
I didn't expect Philip to drop a MILF bar in a Counter strike video
You don't know 3kliks well enough then
Man I Love Filip
his brother 2kliksphilip is slowly taking over..
@@berni2905 only real 3cocksphillip fans remember the fartmaster...
You probably weren't there for the SHIT advice series... Oh, what a time to be alive
I'll soon be 41 and still get the random hackusation. Can't complain.
47yo here. 😁 Same^^^Gaming since 8 yrs old. CS since 1.1. Still fun to be around. Casually playing with 50 and 60+ Guys. They play with their kids and grandkids.^^
It's every Competitive shooters player favorite pass time! Coping😂
Turned 50 this year. Got called a hacker twice this week. I've developed really good game sense after 20+ years of playing CS. Speed is still decent too.
Your flick shot may slow down a bit, but your game sense is much higher. Give and take.
in the hltv stats spreadsheet, it automatically selects a minimum amount of maps played. if you set it to 0 it will show all players
The hltv stats list things cuts some player because of the amount of maps they played, you can set the threshold in the sidebar on the left
Doesn't the hltv stats page automatically adjust the minimum maps played filter based on your other options picked? That's probably the cause of the issue
id love to see some actual studies that show reaction time decreasing as you age... in subjects that actually train to optimize for it... most people get mentally sloppy as they age because they simply start using there brain in less challenging ways, the brain atrophies and becomes weak when demands are not being placed on it. Taking average people off the street at various ages to conduct these studies really proves nothing of worth and thats the very premise a lot of these arguments base themselves on.
I believe there is more to this, Quake 3 was my training ground, I was against either hackers and pros, not really an inbetween especially in 07-11 when i had my first pc, but i had fun regardless, lights off from 12am to 7am, then ill go to the shop, get x2 coke 1 milk and some sweets and cookies for £2 and play fallout 2 as a break.
Anyway, games familiar with the speedy snappy simplicity of quake, e.g CoD and i was the player that everyone wants on their team on blacklight retribution, they feel familiar with the quake style loop, even if not directly comparible, but CS ill be bad at, it makes no sense, i didnt learn it and i used to play 1.6 back in the day too, often shotguns only cos i might get a hit, in the last 6 years most my multiplayer FPS time has been on battlebit, just the average support class where a gg for me is something like 38/28
After binging quake 2 for the past few weeks, and still do, i go on to battlebit, standard support loadout G36c + drum i dont care i just play, it feels slowmo in comparison, i care less about the recoil, and im going nuts like ggs extremely often that has recently been somewhere in the average realms of 79/35 just often exceding 70 kills, now sure, the best players are hitting 180 and above, but there is something with my developed muscle memory from the quake days that basically "retuned" what i was tought, so i dont think you lose the ability as such, more like the early muscle developments are stronger than later ones you learn, i have no clue, but thats how it feels to me.
The only competitive scene I follow (sports, E or otherwise) is Age of Empires 2, and see people talk about age is so funny to me. I understand CS is a completely different genre, but in AoE2 you stand out by being in your 20s when the consistent top 10 has only like 2 people in their in their 20s. This is especially true since the game has gotten so old that by being young and getting into the highest levels mean you weren't even born when the game came out.
TheViper has recently stopped winning every S-tier tournament and one of his musings about his performance for the past few years has been how he can't be guaranteed to be able to play at his best on an arbitrary day. Some days you'll wake up and play your best, some days are just meh.
Well I am 31 years old and I am still ranking top 0.1-1% in my main games.
Ayooo Xfire snapshot. Kids these days won't know the struggles of juggling free trials of mIRC to schedule scrims
Fernando Alonso is 42 years of age and is still competing in Formula 1. Havent watched the video yet but I just want to say that you can still have good reaction times as you get older.Although, he is a professional athlete and I am just a 30 year old bloke who plays games on the weekend
He's probably more of an exception than the rule. Kimi didn't look as quick as him at this age, but he was in a worse car as well. Maybe it's also a question of motivation.
But to add to the comment, check out the comparison of Alonso's and Sainz's reaction to losing their car in the most recent Chinese grand prix. Impressive save from Alonso.
Fernando is a freak of nature and an incredible outlier.
It's not all about reaction time to be a fast racing driver. There are many older top drivers competing at the top (Scott Dixon, IndyCar).
But you won't find anyone of their age in esports, where it is all about reaction time.
Pretty sure he said that as a joke.
@@georgthesecond That's not reaction time, those are reflexes. Reflexes are always faster.
Looking at those smokes made me realize how bad the smokes looked in CS:GO lmao
Playing in them and around them was somehow even worse than they looked😂
same wtf, i don’t remember them being THAT bad
I remember when I first started playing CSGO on an HP laptop in 2015, looking at the smokes and going "...yikes"
Even the smokes in CS:Source looked better (albeit, they weren't quite as effective from a gameplay perspective)
@@Nowbie that was recorded around 2014, im pretty sure they looked a lot better in the last csgo years
Ya'll have brain damage lmao. That is not how smokes looked like at least past 2015.
62 year old CS2 player here :D The only FPS I have ever played, been playing for about 6 years now. Still getting top fragger often, and usually in top 3 on the team, Just tonight did 23 kills for 4 deaths, so there is hope, and maybe as the player base matures, the numbers will back this up. glhf
what is your rank?
@@everengaged9370 hes probably silver or 3000 on premier.
@juanjuan5698 in 6years i reach 2.2k elo on faceit i would assume hes atleast 10lvl
I met a player on Insurgency Sandstorm, level 3300+, born in 1942, man was playing that game day in - day out. Never found a better, more committed teammate than him on that game. Godspeed Coffindodger, I hope to be like you someday :)
COFFINDODGER, that is an AWESOME name lmao
I noticed Insurgency and games like that have a lot of older folks. Just the other day I met a 56yo. It's honestly cool how most of them are just chill and overall great teammates
Reminds me of the dude who plays bf2042, he's like 60/70 and does really well long distance sniping people.
It's called being a rat
That dude is married to a rifle I swear 😂
Guess we found the canonical descendant of "The End" from MGS3
That guy has Post Traumatic Stress Advantage
what's his name??
Being 30 and watching other 30+ year olds play, aging makes a difference. But what makes more difference is experience and motivation. A highly experienced and motivated 40 year old will still wipe the floor with 20 year olds. Reaction time is more valuable in top level CS. Where almost everyone is experienced and motivated. Every little bit of advantage and disadvantage is way more obvious there.
Vishy Anand is a former chess world champion and still 2nd place in Fide ratings for India which is the biggest country and very serious about chess at 54y, while the average age of the other players in top 10 is ~20, while he is barely active. If he was more motivated, he would still be number 1. While CS is more demanding of reaction time which is supposed to deteriorate more rapidly due to aging (not really proven, only observed but that can also be explained by loss of motivation), still 10ms of reaction time isnt fatal and with superior training, shotcalling, strategy and teamplay you will stomp everyone.
Maybe you wont get to win worlds, but you would still be safe within the first percentile if all you lack is 10ms.
@@kockoklosharcheto id love to see some actual studies that show reaction time decreasing as you age... in subjects that actually train to increase it... most people get mentally sloppy as they age because they simply start using there brain in less challenging ways. Taking average people off the street to conduct these studies really proves nothing of worth.
True. At almost 30 and a reaction time of still roughly 180ms I feel that experience is MUCH more valuable than noticing and reacting to enemies faster. Most of the times I lose a fight, its not because the other guy was faster. So while it does help, its not more important than everything else.
I mean I'm 33 and my reactions are pretty much as good as ever, and my aim is tbh better than it was before. It's not even an age where you should think about "aging", it's just a default age to be in 2024, lol. Just be happy you're not a zoomer.
@@hcsnake I feel the same way. My reaction times have stayed the same since my early 20s. I still snap to heads fast enough to compete with the late teens haha. But my game sense and awareness has suffered a bit. But that has more to do with me not playing much anymore.
I'm 33 and still playin' but is true what you say about motivation. As you age you start to prioritize other aspects on your life. Gaming takes a backseat!
Nice vid, Philips !
I dropped from 40-50 hrs per 14 days to 0-10hrs after the age of 24-25. Also CS2 just killed my interest completely. Gaming isn’t really that interesting when you have real life goals to pursue.
@@paradoxxgaming indeed, succeeding at the game of life is far more rewarding.
32 here for some reason my prime was 25 - 27 in cs:go i stopped smoking and went to gym a lot. Now i work 8 hours per day, i vape like a pig ( im not fat ) but i feel like my skill went down for some reason. I had a 2 years break :(
@@Frieza.43 better to stop playing pc games. Who gives a shait about skills on a videogame, you wont get anything out of it, and when you get worse at playing you only get teenagers yelling like they lost their family dog or something, kinda for losers i feel like
It's honestly why i won't make an effort to map for source2 at professional standards (despite mapping on and off since 1.6) because it isn't motivating enough anymore. No more friends who play, very little chance to get map added in game, just as low chance to make money from hundreds of hours put into a project... I will focus on learning UE5 instead to get ready for Rocket League and PUBG moving to UE5, and Unreal is a skill I can actively make money with unlike Source2. Priorities do change, but it doesn't have to be about taking video games less seriously. It's just we have more responsibilities that take priority over pure fun and social status.
51 here. Playing since original CS early betas. Nowadays I only play once a week some premier or competitives, but I am still very often the best player in these matches by KD and damage. But because CS is more about teamplay, I think KD-ratio is only one parameter to measure your reaction time and coordination, but could be also misleading about someones general skill in the game, which is much more than putting crosshairs on enemies heads.
I saw that 2023 pic in one of anomaly’s videos lol
cringe
@@MercLazarus No you
That caught me off guard lol
What video?
@@sarimsalman2698i think it was in some recent twitch highlight
33 here. I stopped playing competetive around 2 years ago and only focus on completing single player games nowadays. I simply don't want to bother with toxic players, cheaters and other bullshit anymore. Been way happier since then.
Im much younger and have a lot of free time but i also gave up competitive games, it simply isnt fun.
I'm 21 and I already dropped PvP games altogether. Screw that noise. Better to put that competitive drive into something that actually matters.
Being in my early twenties and grinding the ladder with the boys will always stay with me as some of the fondest memories I have.
I know it will never be the same, but once in a while I get the urge to climb the ranks just one last time..
I did this at age 25 and never looked back
I do this since 17, online games always seemed like a waste of time, even more now
Im 31 and my reflexes are much better (comparing myself not to others) now days than when I was let's say 19 or even 25. Just the more you play the better you become and your brain gets more conditioned.
The absolute main reason why older people get worse at gaming is NOT because of age but because the older you get the less important gaming gets. People get a wife, house, kids, job. People go on with their lifes. In actual sport like football it is more noticeable. With 35 I'm much slower than 20 year olds even tho I train more than them but the joints of my body went through a lot and are just slower and hurt.
And the people that were good enough to stick around for over 10 years (basically phenoms, the world elite) will have won so much by that time, that the pull to keep going will be less and less. Many people are not good enough to play for a very long time. Their skill plateaus, they are incompatible with gameplay changes etc. And so they will just simply not show up, they never kept playing. Another interesting comparison is to look at initial stats from very young players coming into tier 1 CS, versus older people (25+) that enter pro CS late. Here, I would love to see what the difference in stats look like if there is any. Since both of these age groups probably have the same drive to compete and win something.
yeah, priorities change as you progress through life.....
i strongly disagree i am 30yo been gaming since 1.6 with no family or friends, menial job that keeps my ego low, and despite me doing a lot of self growth, introspection and meditation, i still decline purely cognitively speaking. it also doesn't help that nowadays there are so many war psyops utilizing cheaters and smurfs in games to anger people who are comfortable outside of politics.
@@metasamsara whats your diet like? Food plains a huge role in mental cognition.
That is a hypothesis, not the “absolute main reason”
Maybe true, maybe less so.
30yo here, have been playing since I was 5, but competitive shooters since I was 17 and up until I was around 27 so let's say 10 years. From my experience, your relationship with gaming changes over time. You start enjoying different things in life and different kinds of games too. I still can get top of the leaderboard in online matches, but it doesn't matter as much anymore. I still take those tests for hand eye coordination (we did those out of curiosity back in 2015 and we took them yearly just to check our progress) and with enough focus I still place in the top 7% of people based on that sites data. It just doesn't get me as big of a rush anymore. Our friend group was close to tearing apart when we got on a lose streak years ago, now we just mostly chill and play games to have a good time. I think maturing is perfectly ok, but it doesn't necessarily mean you become a fossil. Practice makes perfect, at some point you just don't feel like practicing this specific skill
So 5 good counter strike years ahead of me and then ill have to retire at the old age of 28.
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The life of an esports player is not as easy as it may seem. Expect frequent traveling to tournaments, most of your time spent indoors, stressing weeks-long bootcamps and as igl or coach, hours upon hours spent watching other teams' demos. There are many reasons which combined cause older players to quit. 1) A lot of them settle down and start a family with kids, which would be difficult to attend to while competing. 2) They have achieved a lot/made a ton of money and simply don't have the hunger or the need to compete anymore. 3) The game and meta changed a lot and they are either unable or unwilling to keep up. 4) They have other goals such as streaming which is way easier than esports if succesful. (or other things: Pasha's real dream was to open a gym). 5) They simply can't keep up with such a demanding lifestyle and give up. Karrigan's success as a relatively old player is due to his passion, hunger, work ethic and adaptability.
It also helps that Karrigan's an IGL and not an awper or something.
I can't get over how good that ANALogies line was.
Like a polished turd, coming out better than it had any right to
i'll be 35 in a small handful of months, and i'm still better at most games than most people i personally know, older and younger. it's all about consistency; once you have less time to dedicate to something - this goes for any skill you have obtained - you begin to slip, and i've been able to arguably spend more time playing games as i get older as i have a job that allows me to work from home and the people i live with share the same interests. some people gain spouses and families, some people simply lose interest in gaming with time, some people are potentially pressured to retire young due to the stigma related to gaming and aging, etc etc. maybe in the future we'll be able to measure this better, but there's simply too many life events that like to overlap with this phenomenon for us to be able to use such a broad dataset to measure it
35 with an anime pfp is crazy.
@@juanjuan5698 oh thanks, that's art of a character i designed so really not at all the insult you thought this was, really quite the compliment
Dude there’s no way you’re 35
@@Zeqweery ok? what exactly do i gain by lying in this context lmao, plus you can do an extremely rudimentary amount of e-stalking to find that i'm telling the truth, sorry bud
@@WitchyRhia my response was uncalled for. My bad. I had a trash day and felt like lashing out. Respect for being calm about it. APOLOGIES
29 here. I don't feel like I am limited because of my age. Infact, I am better than ever. Pro QUake player Rapha is in his mid-late 30's now and still dominates. I know a few guys that jump around in CoD and are early 40's, better than me even + insane reflexes.
I guess at the very top the younger ones will prevail as reflexes dull over time. But then again, CS might be skewed towards reaction time more.
31 and I feel like my skills were dulled slightly but not by much. Avid FPS gamer since single digit age, I miss the UT99 days. But yea, I tried CS for the first time against a buddy who's been playing for 15 years (he's 36 years old) and he mopped the floor with me, was somewhat demoralizing lol. Mainly because I'd never played CS, I primarily play arena FPS.
Key is being healthy in both body and mind.
Eat cheetos, starve your brain of necessary fatty acids, have a poor sleep schedule and don’t exercise you have a recipe for poor performance when older.
I play better at 35 than I ever did when younger.
I think for the most part the reason why average people get worse at games over time is the same as any other hobby or sport, you do it less and less. Idk about you but I used to warm up play dm for a solid time and then spend hours playing, now esp with all the issues plaguing Cs and getting busy, playing 3 games in one sitting is me going crazy. Ofc I'm gonna be worse, doesn't necessarily mean it's cuz of my age.
Also, thank you for taking the time to get us the data Filipe just cuz you're curious ❤
precisely.
Even if you got the time to play all day, the older you get, the more you enjoy a break every now and then.
Friends play a huge role on top. If you're say 15-20 you usually have your friends on call right after school, if you get older you don't really do that anymore as everyone has moved on and playing together becomes less frequent due to differing time tables and additional tasks, leading to booting up the game less often.
10:14 Just scroll down, to the left you have minimum maps, adjust it to a lower value and you will see more players.
There's a lot of 30+ gamers out there in other games that are still super good at the games they play. There's a lot more to being good at most games than pure reaction time, especially in more strategic titles. I'm 27 now, and I'm definitely better at most games now than when I was at 17 because I've had a decade of experience to improve my skills and decision making. Someone in League of Legends even accused me of scripting the other day because I'm really good at dodging enemy attacks.
fuck i am fucked then i will get 30 at may 12, for now i top or second fraging in cs but prob gonna get shit on soon :D
The problem isnt raw skill, its that people nearing or higher than 30 lose the passion and drive to play a videogame 14 hours a day. At some point it becomes boring playing more than a few hours a day. It is also harder to adapt to changes. Theres also health issues that can complicate things when getting older, like neck pain, headaches, etc.. making it harder to sit comfortably for 12+ hours a day. In terms of raw skill, im sure a 30 y/o can still perform as well if not better than youngins, but sustaining that skill and being consistent is much harder.
I think in short the "30+ year olds" of yesteryear (2000s thru 2020) only "fall off" because the competitive scene wasn't as intense during their active years, if that makes sense. A 30 year old in 2030, IMO, won't have the skill ceiling issue or the skill dropoff issue that is observable in some boomers nowadays lol
32 year old gamer here. My reaction time has improved over the years, and I still regularly drop 20-30 kill games when I play. I don't play as much because I simply don't have the time these days to play as much as I did 10 years ago. I believe I am technically better at every game I play now then I was in my twenties, the results are just worse simply because I don't play nearly enough to make a positive impact.
My grandpa is like 65 or something like that and he's not a bad gamer. He definitely lacks the reaction speed, but he has a good aim. It'd be quite sad if you had a bad aim if you have played FPS games since they became a thing.
chad. give him a cheer from me
I'm 53 and stil kick ass in cs. My reflexes are on point and my vision is still excellent because I am a lifelong gamer. I've had my ears tested and I can still hear the high frequencies that 20 year olds can hear and most people my age cannot. I sing and play guitar. I do smoke cannabis, but I do not smoke any tobacco products of any kind and I do not drink. The only energy drink I consume is coffee. I drink lots of water. I've been gaming since at least 1980. Been playing cs since 1.1, long before steam existed.
7:25 Is that the Talos Principle 2 New Jerusalem/Utopia theme? Along with a cat in the video... 🤔
Do you know the song at 11:05?
I think there is also another effect at play here. Only the good players tend to stay until “old age”, skewing the skills for these players. I would argue the older players represent the highest skill levels, whereas the younger her players encompass a much wider skill level. The “average” players slowly fade away as they age and will not be able to extend contracts.
I'm 26, I finally qualified in a ESL tournament and got my HLTV profile, something 16 year old me could have only dreamed of.
Good job man, best of luck in the future!
Thats cool!
nice
I'm 37 years old and I still have the aim and mechanics of someone much younger. The issue with being old isn't your skill decreasing, it is your responsibilities increasing. I can't play CS 1.6 like I did in high-school for 20 hour gaming sessions on the weekend. I gotta do other things. I bet a 40 year old with zero responsibilities could train themselves to be better than 99.5% of the players. I still think dedication and hard work trump age.
i think theres so many other factors to this then "reaction time slow". most of it probably has to do with people getting actual lives and responsibilities as they get older so they dont really have the time to mindlessly grind a ranked ladder. could also have to do with the financial opportunity cost that comes with being a pro player. not sure how much they make vs a traditional job but i would assume the traditional job is probably much more profitable unless you're the best of the best in esports
As a recreation assistant I earn about £110 on a long day (8 hours) and £60-£80 on other days. And I work most days of the week.
Not sure but I might be better off than the seasonal stuff that has no guaranteed payout.
9:20 bro it's because of "minimum maps" filter on the left
4:48 for some reason I started laughing because I didn't expect that "shit" from this smart man providing data analysis
I have a theory that reflexes don't actually get worse with age it's just that people who get older get more commitments and life responsibilities, you get a kid, a wife etc. and you start playing less and less. less practice, reflexes are not trained, reflexes get worse. they say your brain is like a muscle, maybe if you stop gaming / practicing reflex intensive stuff it gets worse, not necessarily from age.
btw I'm 30 and according to Human Benchmark I have a reaction time of 160ms which is faster than average 🤷♂
also no Caboosing on this video? 😩
Simple. you are never too old as long as you can fuck around with friends and still have fun with it .
Always curious about a rating system that takes into account the value of your equipment vs the value of an opponent's equipment when a kill is recorded(for or against you) and then to see what that would look like. Using an AWP, getting eco frags, dying with a full belt of utility(when maybe you could have used some), would probably be somewhat accounted for in interesting ways.
i mean these results make sense. as you grow older your reflexes deteriorate, but not by a huge amount, and the longer you do something and practice it the better you become. it seems to me that older players are similar to younger players for that reason.
did you even look at the results? there aren't as many older players, you can't get a good comparison when the ratio of old vs young players is so imbalanced
@@perfectlyroundcircle im not talking about like 30+ im just considering from like 16-28 cause thats the data he has.
@@nveronline2914 Still not enough data, and there's barely a dent in performance. Look, all I'm saying is, it's not about reflexes only, it's about priorities and circumstances. CS is a much bigger sport now, and it attracted many young people. And young people want to dedicate a ton of time to get better. Reflexes don't significantly deteriorate like that, and a slight delay is not as bad when you can have experience. Give it time... today's younger pros players will grow old, and they will put up a great challenge against younger players in the future. Gaming is bigger now.
@@perfectlyroundcircle did you read my comment even. Your tone is that of disagreement but you are just saying things I said in different ways lol. I agreed that reflexes do t deteriorate that much and that other factors are more important to a players success.
@@nveronline2914 Well, shit. I must've responded to the wrong comment. I remember trying to reply to someone saying reflexes matter the most. Then I just continued the conversation after mistaking the first comment. Sorry, mate! My bad.
I hit Global Elite in October 2022 in Australia at 36 years old (I have played since beta 3) And only play maybe 8-10 hours a week now with work and family commitments.
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Been playing counterstrike sinse first beta, I think I had my peek at around 31-34, having routine and aim at the same time. After then i've been struggeling with numbnes in my arm, not feeling comfortable while gaming after longer sessions. Having a kid also doesnt help on your ability to focus. Not that the kid disturbs me but just the fact that you are never really resting while being first a dad and then a gamer. You are not able to practise in the same amount and having the mental energy to focus.
I also think that gaming has been less fun the later years after 35 and I think maybe the mental reward system that is built into games these days is effecting me less now than before.
my dad plays CS at the age of 53, and he's really good for his rank AND for his age. Gaming has no age, even competitively lol
No such thing as being good for your Rank
your dad is a chad
@@Paul-iw9cy Wrong. If you were right then there wouldn't have been any point even trying to grind from low silver to higher ranks
@@AleexTg THANK YOU!
@@darshk4703 "He is good for his rank" literally is a nonsense statement. What does it even mean? "He is silver 1 but he has 1.3 hltv rating" still is a bad player for example.
I am 45 years old and I am still at the same level as 25 years ago when I started with CS beta. But I don't play as much as I used to be because I usually don't solo queue anymore and play only with mates that just as old as I am. The thought of being called names by some 12 year old kid that thinks it is the next pro player is just not as charming. I guess that goes for most of the older guys.
7:25 That Talos Principle 2 song kicking in when the cat shows up. Nice.
I hope it means he's playing it! I really enjoyed it but I don't know if it's impacted people the same way the first one did
cannot believe you made a reference to Logan's Run
I got that 2023 reference xD
I have a friend who 60 and still a better gamer than I am in most cases and I'm in my 20s, I think practice makes the player and the skill... therefore skill issue.
Even worse when you haven’t play video games since GTA San Andreas and Half Life 2. And now you are trying to get back to it with the most current titles. Like me 😢 I felt so overwhelmed with some of them
Holy hell 20 years without gaming? How is it these days?
@@youbaouahdi4358 not gonna lie, I played some games every now and then like Batman Arkham (just need to play Arkham knight). But I think that’s it. I was trying to play fallout 3 the other day and it felt so overwhelming with all the stats and everything, I also realize that I don’t like RPGs. My list of games to play are God of War, the last of us, Spider-Man, ghost of Tsushima and Arkham knight for now
A lot are just a bit bad now or too specific and the specificity of how they're designed to be played and the importance of meta can be overwhelming, or too far the other way and messy like cod. I found battlebit to be a breath of fresh air and compares better to titles from back then.
@@Bozebo I find the whole micro transaction thing unbelievable. It almost feels like you are doing math, but again maybe I get use to it at some point
Considering you mentioned San Andreas, have you thought about checking out Rockstar Games' recebt releases like Red Dead Redemption 2 or the other GTA gales (i know there's only GTA 4 and 5 lol)
No on in real-life is going to be impressed by your Counter-Strike or Quake skills anyway. At some point you grow out of playing games every day.
I've been gaming for the past 25 years~ and while my reaction times might actually be slower now I still feel like I'm better at gaming at 30 than I was when I was 5, largely due to how much I've learned about PVPing, things like knowing how to frequently pulloff successful flanks, knowing to prioritise targets (for example you round a corner and the next frame you see two guys, by frame 2 you see the guy further away has a gun pointed at you while the closer target is facing away and by frame 3 you should have picked the one looking at you instead of the one looking away) in every situation, don't tunnel vision/hear, anticipating enemies with high accuracy, knowing how to position in rooms/environments, CQC tactics like slicing the pie, managing to not be stressed out (looking at you tarkov) in every encounter, proficiency in aim snapping, being suspicious about a handful of pixels that look out of place, understanding how the fighting works in one game vs another, sound whoring, paying attention to any and all information methods like audio, etc etc
Years of skill building are more important than "lol brain go brrr" 9/10 times IMHO
At 30 your reaction time should definitely still be faster than when you're 5. Children that young have undeveloped motor skills and reflexes. You're probably a bit slower than a 16 year old, though, but the difference isn't huge - reaction time actually peaks in your early to mid twenties, not in childhood or adolescence.
is the 1.03 KD average just small sample portions not recorded/redundant?
I thought it would be under 1, given that there would be at least one guy alive at the end of most rounds?
Infact, wouldn't 0.90 also be ridiculous? I see heaps of games where more than one guy lives.
One guy kills four enemies, then the enemy solo aces = 00.900
5 (1)
4 (1)
0 (8) .... = 00.90 , or have i made a careless assumption error?
7:26 Talos music spotted !!11!1!1!1. You should make a video on that game, if you haven't already.
Interesting video, even if you haven't reached a definite conclusion. I guess age doesn't matter as much from a physical POV( reaction time, other stuff it could affect idk) but people simply get other responsibilities, or they want to do something else, life happens. Hopefully you will keep making videos for us till you die.
Do you know the song at 11:05?
He has made a video on talos
32, stronger, faster and better mental conditioning than I've ever had, highest rated I've ever been in all competitive games and I've been gaming all my life.
I've been playing since I was 8 now I'm 21, and I feel like I'm already too old to play competitively anymore.
An eight year old doesn't have college exams or a job. You just tend to shift your priorities as you age. You mature
I'm 41, faceit level 10 (2200 ELO)
im turning 23 in a couple months and I'm far better than I ever was when I was like 13/14 grinding csgo every day. only picked up CS again since CS2 came out too. like that other guy said, people are also just better at CS nowadays.
I'm 19 and feel too old to play competitively anymore. I used to grind like crazy in highschool during COVID but know I don't feel like playing games anymore :( I''m not a kid no more :((
@@juanjuan5698 lol
I think analyzing metrics based on physical ability (reflex, coordination, keystrokes per minute) might be a little more insightful. It might be the case that players 25+ rely on gamesense and positioning more than entry fragging and aim.
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The AAA?
@@givemeajackson nah it was the PPP
@@MarkStillPlays no, the CCC
@@NotTheRambo what? its obviously the ÑÑÑ
I don't think your analysis makes much sense. You compare the level of competition of players of different ages in an environment that already filters out any player of lower skill. In that regard, which you even mentioned, you should look at the overall number of players in each age group. It's like analysing the rank of global elites, but then saying you can't do much analysis because a certain age group isn't of that rank. Probably because that age group is either of lower rank, which then makes the overall number of players of certain ages in certain ranks the actual number you should look at, or because the game itself is being played less by people of certain age groups, which then also kind of portrays an answer to your question.
If you start out by looking at the age of random players and then calculate the average hltv rating of each age group, I think your graph would look more correct, eventhough to get an active hltv rating you would need to already be on a certain minimum skill level, which then just circles back to looking at the amount of players of each age group to determine at what age one is most competitive.
The best way to analyse how age effects gameplay would be to track a player performance over their lifetime and then find the average for all competitive players. You could then see what age each player was best at and when the average "peak" of peoples performance is. I think a reason this competitive data is hard to draw conclusions from is from is that if a player is too young/old to play at a competitive level, they get filtered out of the data. Trying to find the historical data for a large collection of people might be really difficult to do. However maybe someone could try get in contact with hltv or something because I think the data would be really interesting.
But over time, the average level of players increases, hence the longer you play, the more skillful your opponents are and the harder it is for you to maintain the same stats as before. In other words, your performance will degrade not because of your age, but because younger players have grown up in a more competitive environment and have access to the knowledge and skills you "invented". The result is again not a measurement of the rate of skill decline with age, but a measurement of the difference in level of play between players of different generations.
@@Rendrom1by1 Yeah, this would be a problem. I would still be interested in seeing the data however.
I started playing cs at 22. My first rank was silver 2 :)
Im 30 now and before switch to cs2 my rank was fluctuating between legendary eagle and DMG.
I definitely play now better than i did 8 years ago :)
Everyone has their own journey. Stay strong, brothers and sisters!
Great video. I feel like 2024 3kliks covers more cs topics that interest me than 2023 3kliks
There are other genres to look at as well. Fighting games is probably the genre that trends the oldest, many of the best players are in their late 30s to mid 40s, like Daigo Umehara, Bae Jaemin, Tokido, etc
There is a minimum maps played filter on hltv at the bottom left. I'm guessing you had it set to 95 that is why a lot of players did not show up.
Hello , 34 years old daddy
23,5 k premier peak rank 2000 on the world solo que.
Gl hf all
I hit Global in 2015 when i was 23. Now im 32 and silver. The math checks out.
I may be a washed up CS player, but at least I'm not a washed up software dev like the folks over at Valve
0:10 covid start halfway between now and 2015
He does not HAVE TO HIT US LIKE THAT!
wow
Me always being bad regardless of age
That is crazy that Going Low is farther in the past now than the stories you would reminisce about were when those videos were released.
Karrigan and rain are still winning championships, I never liked the low key eugenic thought process of "you're too slow and undesirable".
I do think we will likely see an increase in the amount of players who are over 30 staying in the professional scene moving forward, compared to the years prior. Particularly because of how much larger gaming is as a whole, and how much more it can financially support you compared to many (not all) games in the past.
Even if there is a slight dip at this age it is most certainly not due to age itself, rather a plethora of other factors (motivation, lack of time/practice, etc). However, I do think there will be a trend of these players going for longer as time goes forward.
Great video as always!
I'm 34 and will wreck you all 1v1 AK47 lesgoo
One of your screenshots has your full name. It's one of the chat logs later in the video.
People also stop being good at videogames out of spite. For example, for ten years in a row i was gaslit by From Software fanboys that I will never be "good" at videogames until I "beat" dark souls and i should just quit gaming and have a "calmer" hobby like reading or gardening instead. I decided to play DS2 after ten years, and was disgusted by how easy it was and how dying literally doesn't punish you. I refunded it, then I decided to take one of these From Software fanboys and make them play Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, a roguelike that was marketed for literal actual children. He ragequit after fainting 8 times against drowzee and destroyed his controller. Luckily I was using melon so he did not destroy a DS.
This made me realize that being "good" at videogames literally doesn't matter because even if you are the best player in the ENTIRE planet, people will STILL find excuses to say that you're not and constantly find ways to make their dick look bigger than yours. So why bother being good? Block everyone, play only and exclusively the games you LOVE, let them rage at each other. What's the point of having friends if they all eventually become violent towards you because you didn't accept Hidetaka Miyazaki as your lord and savior?
dear diary
For me personally with age I just don't try hard as much at winning. I try to win but it's more casual in it's approach. I don't go through extreme lengths as I did over 10 years ago. You know where you do that thing where you look up stats for each gun or vehicle in a game or best loadouts? Today I don't use the "meta". I just use whatever I feel like. When you are young you always feel like you should prove something. It goes away with age, not because of reflexes slowing down but just life experience.
Nothing some coke can't fix, ez
2023: AIDS Philip
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Mr. Kliks, why CS2 still feel worse than CSGO?
This way of doing data is wrong, We should just analyze individual players fall off period.
It's like doing average speed of a car which will probably be closer to the speed limit but it won't account for lunatics and turtle drivers
CS is largely reliant on reflexes, but it's also largely reliant on game sense. Reaction times do start to drop off around 24 or 25, this has been studied before. However, a player with good game sense can continue to perform well simply by outsmarting their opponents. I am 27. I have noticed my reactions dropping a bit. I perform much worse, but this is because all I ever had was reactions, and I have always been a shit player when it comes to game sense. I gave up on the game shortly after CS2 came mostly due to the other problems that came with CS2, but also because I can no longer tell if someone is cheating, or if my reactions have fallen to a point where I am simply just shit at the game.
Bro what happened to you in 2023. Are you ok man?!
I am 43 y o - been playing cs since 1999 and am currently holding up "okay" as faceit level 9
Ok so here's some hot takes from me, someone who turned 28 near the end of last year and has been PC gaming specifically playing FPS games since I was 5 years old or less. I played CS:S for the record lol
Ok so.. For about 5 solid years between 2017 and 2022 I played a CS knockoff called Black Squad and I became one of the best players in the whole game. I quit because they broke the AK and the cheaters became out of control.
I took a hiatus for like 2 years and played Fortnite instead, for fun, not to be amazing. I got good at that, and then recently I returned to CS, in CS:2. Now I'm already being accused regularly of WH, I see my KD go up as I learn the maps, and I would say I am as good as I've ever been.
I don't see myself getting worse, at all, I see myself consistently getting better. And I use a weighted mouse, I haven't changed my mouse (though I've replaced it) since 2017 or so. (Corsair M65 RGB Pro)
What I think is gamers back when I was a kid experienced as they got older was that there simply wasn't the ubiquity of people going crazy on comp FPS with ezpz matchmaking that constantly happened on a whim. I think that at a certain point it was "it's too inconvenient to get a match and I have better things to do." = skill ceiling
The significant piece of data for me is that I have never stopped playing, even if it's casual, I feel like people "my age" stop playing because it becomes something extra.
Over the years the competitive FPS games I've played consistently were:
Halo (all of the games until about 2012), CS:S, CS:GO, Blacklight: Retribution (reached endgame had every cosmetic that existed lol, if you know you know,), Black Squad, and CS:2.
Also something I would note about my data is that I really really really don't give a single fuck about the usual things people care about. I don't want kids, I don't care for a nice big house although I did have one, I have interests and I love my interests.
Gaming is an escape for me from the shit I've gone through and I still want to "be the best," I will never not want to "be the best" and it's a problem for me as it bleeds into every aspect of my life. I was definitely an early prototype of modern zoomers as I always was on my PC as a kid versus spending time outside with other kids doing normal kid stuff, if you could replace smart phones with a PC and turn the clocks back 15 years, you have whatever I was lol
Had to rewind if I heard "M.I.L.F" correctly... xd
You can change the map filter in the bottom left (sidebar)
I miss going low, that whole series is awesome, especially the stories. I also love the videos about your dreams and game making journey. I think you're just a really good story teller.
It mostly depends on whether you stay hungry
If you want to explore which stats correlate with high player rankings as you mentioned in the video, you should look into principle component analysis. When you have many variables and many samples, it's a good way to see which variables correlate with each other (e.g. player ranking and hsp) and which ones don't. It's a bit of a rabbit hole, but it's very doable without having to get into the world of AI.
Extremely odd choice of thumbnail but ok.
Thanks for daily existencial crisis Phillip