2013 Infiniti M Hybrid vs Lexus GS 450h 0-60 MPH Mashup Review
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- ( www.TFLcar.com ) The new 2013 Infiniti M35 Hybrid and Lexus GS 450h are both luxury hybrids that not only directly compete but also put a premium on luxury and performance. Not only do these two Japanese luxury sedans both have a 3.5L V6 engine and a electric hybrid powertrain, but they also are both also rear wheel drive and they both have over 300 combined horsepower. So the question is a simple one; which of these two premium hybrids is a better buy? To be honest we are actually just as curious to find out which one is faster from 0-60 MPH. Watch out this TFLcar Mashup review to find out.
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It seems like Nathan and Roman are always inclined to go with Lexus every time these two brands are tested against each other even when the Lexus under perform the infinity in just about every test. Considering my experience with both makes, I don't agree with some of their reviews. There is some bias when Toyota/Lexus are involved.
Calm down. Lexus is just amazing.
I’ve owned the M35h and it was an amazing car. Very reliable, 30mpg and super luxurious id def buy it again.
What kind of mileage did you have on it? You think it would be less reliable at 80,000 or was there minimal issues except maintenance
@@JM-kx7dh I drove mine to 100k and didn’t have any issues. I sold it because I wanted something more sporty
@@08VaNupe Appreciate it bro. Glad you got a new whip for yourself too 🤘
@J M I just realized that I didn't actually answer your 2nd question. I personally don't think it'll be an issue or less reliable at 80k miles. I historically have drove my Infiniti's to 200k or more with little to no issues. The hybrid is very reliable and I think if you perform your maintenance as intended it'll be fine. If your buying one with 80k just get a pre purchase inspection from the dealer if it's not being sold by Infiniti
@@08VaNupe I had some second thoughts and have now found a couple of clean 40,000 mile models with only 1 or 2 owners luckily. Very rare in the UK.
Cheers for the help, it's good to hear some anectodal accounts and I do like those VQ35 motors
I would take the Infiniti. A luxury sedan that is heavy and that fast too? Also, Infiniti doesn't make boring looking cars like Lexus does. I love the curvy fenders that Nissan and Infiniti has for some of their models. Go Infiniti!
I have a 2007 Gs450h....I love it. About to give her a facelift
Those who prefer and softer, smooth suspension and take your time in the turns: Lexus is the car and truck choice. On the other side; those who prefer more standard horsepower, better sport handling suspension and braking, bigger rims/ tires available up to 22" and formula one paddle shifters, blind spot intervention, active lane assist, and the first available direct adaptive steer by wire system on the Q50 that automatically firms up in sport drive mode or you customized the engine, transmission and steering feel. A electronic safety gas pedal that pushes back in economy mode and forward anti-collision braking. Also part of the available safety technology package seatbelts automatically tightened up when strong braking is applied and power seatbelt retracts when front seatbelts are released. Available 420 HP on the M56/Q70. I have been sole driving Infiniti's since 2008 and yes I have Q50 sport AWD with the Technology Package and a EX37 AWD. Performance first Luxury secondary...
Agreed
+Mr. G. Jones I agree perfromance 1st Luxury second. Infiniti hands down. I have always had Infiniti's and am getting ready to purchase the M35h or Q70hybrid.
revmasterb im in the buying process of buying this car super excited..got a great deal 27,000 miles!
Infiniti is my choice!!
The Infinity doesn't compromise luxury performance or fuel economy. Compare it to the GS450h and you can see the lack of performance from the Lexus. The CVT from the Lexus cannot match the 7 speed Auto from the Infinity and it also gets better MPG and has more trunk space. The Infinity also beats the Porsche Panamera hybrid in acceleration. It's truly is an exceptional car -VideoHobbyist
GS450h 0-60 in 7,36 is impossible. My dad's GS300 does 7 seconds about 0-60.
So it is really faster, we drove it for test and we did around 5-6 seconds.
I'm a Lexus man myself, but I like the price point of the M35h. I might consider a used one.
One thing that annoys the crap out of me is that it changed its name to Q70. I dread explaining to car enthusiasts that it does.not have a 7.0L engine
I loooove both cars 😩
Infiniti for me❤
@toyota4life I was just stating the specs and why I would pick the M over the GS.
Obviously you can't handle why I would choose the M. I would choose it because it's faster gets same MPG and costs less. The drive feels more spirited vs the isolation of a Lexus.
Both are great cars, I just think I couldn't stand the dullness of the Lexus and the CVT.
I've seen the Lexus accelerate far quicker in other reviews, you can actually hear it accelerate quicker, I think these guys deliberately made Lexus look bad in this test.
I feel in this class, 0-60 shouldn't be a big determining factor in your purchase. The fact both reviewers rated the GS450h higher than the Q70 hybrid (the newer M35h) speaks volume.
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Wrong. My M35h is the best saloon car I have ever owned. Mine was 92k all the bells and whistles, lane assist etc. Love it.
Man that Infiniti is a beast, screw the lexus 97% of the buyers will be grannies.
The Lexus interior is so much better than the Infiniti's but I would still take the Infiniti for exhaust note, engine, and handling.
No contest, if you test drive both of these cars the FEEL that the GS provides will always be hands down. This is why the GS is currently considered best in class hybrid or non hybrid.
Smoother and more refined isn't masculine.... it's feminine.
Impressive. Not only does the GS450h beat the Infiniti M Hybrid, it even beat the Porsche Panamera Hybrid (MotorTrend) and the BMW 5 series ActiveHybrid (Autobild).
this is TRUE! I'm an nissan Employee at the Nissan Manufacture engineer dept. and have seen on paper about the 2014 revised unit! i have the M56s ipl aero kit and i love it! can't wait to the the 2014..be on the look out for the new G one word! Fast!
Read published reviews like the Motortrend comparo between the GS hybrid, Panamera Hybrid and M35h. The new GS has been judged to be a better handler than the BMW 535i,Audi A6 and M37S. The Motortrend hybrid comparo showed that the GS was subjectively more fun and better to drive than the M35h
those 0-60 times are false they are to high up in the mountains falseness at its best
they didn't mention that the infiniti has a 7 speed auto and the lexus has a cvt.
Nathan, does the GS450h one of the most fun you can have with a CVT?
Btw, I would buy the Infiniti M. Love both. But the M has such nice lines... the Lexus has very serious, classy character. Best wishes.
Lexus GS looks better inside and out.. And more comfortable!
thats a terrible way to make a decision, it depends on if you want efficiency, and reliability(toyota), or if you want sporty, fast, and fun(infiniti)
Yes we do. Believe it or not, the paddle shifters rarely make the vehicle faster. The best use for most of these paddles are for holding gears/rpm in a corner. Thanks for watching!
I'd take the Infiniti. Sexier and faster.
It's like asking "would you rather have a Camry or a Maxima?" For me the answer is obvious.
The Camry and Maxima aren't even competitors. The question is really "Would you rather have an Avalon or Maxima?" I'd take the Avalon.
I'd still take the Maxima. Everyone drives Toyotas, it's so boring. More power, better looks, cheaper price tag, Maxima > Avalon imo
Fair enough. Everyone has their own opinion. That's why we all drive different cars -- for the most part.
My maxima is good, only a few things broke down for 12 years old car. But my mom Camry almost nothing broke down for almost same years old.
Eric Wise believe it or not in terms of size, the Avalon is closer to the Camry. Nissan never wanted to make their flagship a numb Giant family hauler like the avalon is. The maxima I would say is more of a niche sedan then an Avalon competitor.
try to find other people who drive the LFA, she might be the most famous, but she isn't the only one who has bought it
The later GS450h is slower than the first one. My 2007 is rated at 0-60 in 5.2. I measured it with a G-Tech Pro with some weight on board at 5.8. Certainly quicker than 6 seconds.
Nice, really nice comparison, between two nice pieces of art!!!
Many car review mediums have eaten their words in the past about Lexus being bland when they test drove the GS F sport, when they FELT the difference, not judge it from far away without feeling the experience.
Many people HATE on the LFA because they've never driven or riden in one before, many haters have been converted after being in one, there is a reason why. The culture of Lexus is not only PLUSH but now DRIVING FEEL and EXPERIENCE is considered.
turning the AC off on the GS does not help at all, it is not mechanically connected to the engine but electrically driven, so no mechanical losses.
I love the show but I don't know why they hate the INFINITI its the best
You guys just have something against Nissan and Infiniti
I understand that Lexus are generally more refined, but I don't agree on people saying Lexus has more 'Quality'. Infiniti has similar quality and can be just as reliable as Lexus if maintained properly but more sportier. Just look at lexus IS or ES, the interior just plain sucks in my opinion so where are the luxury there? CT series looks and feel like a toy car. Both different in taste, nothing is better than the other. I personally would take M series over GS any day unless I reach the age of 50 and get tired of sports driving.
James SY Lee
WHAT?! How does the ES interior suck?!
Well Lexus just got started and the LFA was a great start, the ISF was a game changer, and so was the latest GS Fsport, where that particular car has beaten the 5 series M package in several comparisons. The new IS is due soon as well as its COUPE counter part. Please don't forget Lexus CREATED the luxury crossover SUV segment with the RX300. Just because they haven't made a smaller version, doesn't mean they don't compete in that segment.
The present still retians most of Lexus's past. The GS is indeed the best midsized sedan that Lexus has ever made up to date however in general & as a brand to its entirety, Lexus is still a subtle alternative to a Luxury sports car. Hence the reason why they attract such an old demographic while Infiniti has always been the more aggressive & genuine luxury sports car since its birth year. Its driving characterstics are more athletic & more engaging then Lexus which is primarily made for comfort
Wrong. JD powers is essentially a poll of car owners about their car's reliability.JD powers objectively measures cold hard numbers not one person's subjective opinions. And the cold hard numbers shows that Lexus has statistically a lower possibility of long-term defects than Infiniti.
Something must be wrong with the lex stock times (0-60 5.5-6.2) but 7sec is waaayy to slow
I swear every car these guys review there 0 to 60 times are way off. They had a g37 ipl at like 7 something that car is low 5s all day long. IDK.
And the Infiniti M37h starts at $54,200. Whats $4,000? I don't see how Infiniti buyers are "wannabes" when they have just as much money. And if you want to be technical, the Mercedez E400 hybrid starts at $55,800 and Audi A6 hybrid starts at $56,850. Are people who drive those "wannabes'?
I dunno. I'm looking for a used one. I'll take the m over the GS
I'm shopping one class down from these two cars & unfortunately the Lexus IS300h ISN'T sold here in North America. The Infiniti Q50 however has this same powertrain in a smaller, lighter body & available AWD.
I just wished the Q50S drives as well as the IS350 F-sport however.
I'm confused, isn't the 450h supposed to do 0-60 in 5.2 secs? other reviewers managed it in 5.5 :S
Depends on many conditions such as road, altitude, tires, driver weights, driver skills, how much gas in tank, etc.
It's the 2007 GS450h that is rated at 5.2
The later ones are slower.
Toyota/Lexus is trully a dull brand and buying one says you don't have imagination. Sure it's safe and reliable but where's the joy, passion, and exhilaration? You might argue with the LFA and the Toyota-86(FR-S/BRZ) but they aren't 100% Toyota. The LFA had Yamaha tune the engine for performance and sound and the FR-S is a joint project with Subaru, it uses a Subaru Boxer engine
You HAVE NOT driven the GS F sport, if you have, you would correct your assumption. The GS is now a true luxury sport sedan, often heralded as best in CLASS with the closest competition being the 5 series. The GS hybrid is also best in CLASS beating out the 5 hybrid, Panamera hybrid, E hybrid, and of course the M hybrid.
You can INSINUATE about how you THINK the GS doesn't have sport credentials, whatever that means since you can't base a current product on its past predecessors.
I'd take the Infiniti, fast, reliable, good-looking, and a better transmission!
Infiniti 0-60 is about 5.0 seconds at sea level that is insane!
7 speed auto
In real world driving the M gets 27mpg avg
$54k base
Lexus 450h 0-60 is 5.7
CVT
Real world Mpg is same as the M at 27mpg avg.
$59k base
Infiniti needs more refinement but drives sportier than the GS due to 7 speed auto. I'll take the M over the GS, that power is just too addictive.
Id rather get the non hybrid Infiniti M37 in black. Its truly breath taking. Lets no forget the M56
Let me guess, you gents also believe that the iPhone 6 is better than the Note 4 even though the Note has superior hardware and writing capability? This was a 0-60 review and even though the Lexus LOST by a full second and costs thousands more you chose the Lexus? Completely biased reviews will keep you in favor with brand loyalists but once their loyalties shift (remember the Motorola Razr?) Fast Lane Cars will crash and burn for telling loyalists what they wanted to hear instead of what they needed to know.
Lexus is better.
iSolve
That's your problem. You only base your opinions on specs. The GS may have worse specs, but they liked it better based on ergonomics, luxury, and the way it feels. Likewise, people choose an iPhone 6 because it fits them better than a Note 4. In fact, the GS sells better than the Infiniti M, just like the iPhone 6 sells better than the Note 4.
You are talking about a track, i am talking about stock time numbers 0-60- 1/4 etc. Plus, thats a special edition LFA JUST for that track. That's just a REGULAR GTR. A STOCK GTR is faster than the LFA 0-60 and 1/4.
I know, the M37 refresh is suppose to look amazing, even though it wont be a redesign its going to look like one regardless. LED drls and revamped headlights will be incorporated due to the new design direction of Infinitis new 2014 G37 sedan which debuts spring of 2013. The exterior of the M for mid next year, like the front and rear fascia will be revised as well as some interior aesthetics. Hopefully they incorporate an IPL sports package or even better......an IPL engine for the M sedan!
I would still take the Infiniti M. Although in all truth the Lexus GS does have design appeal it still in my opinion does not have the sporty credentials or charisma as the Infiniti which has been the most sports oriented Japanese Luxury brand out on the market while Lexus seems to focus more on refinment rather then the actual driving experience. Anyhow the M37 is due for a mid life cycle refresh next year, its suppose to change drasctically in the flesh even though it wont be a redesign.
Imo, the lexus has a cooler exterior but wald internation do a wicked kit for the infiniti. So the cash Id save buying the M would go towards a bodykit. I prefer infiniti interiors. Less businessy looking and more focus on designing a comfortable interior around the driver. Also bose speakers built into the tops of the seat, thats rad.
Also Roman and Nathan, when you do the 0-60 mph test, I know you guys tested these in sport modes, but shouldn't you utilize the paddle shifters? I know I would.
Infiniti my favourite car
The Infiniti is edgier. Lexus can be boring. I'm surprised they thought the Infiniti was feminine. Also, Motorweek had the 0-60 time of the M35 at a tic over 5 seconds.
BIG BAD JOHN There are over five reviews on RUclips about the infinity m35h, and they all tested the m35h 0 to 60 between 5.0 to 5.5 seconds. Nathan's 6.2 seconds are not the real thing.
Im gonna guess he didn't floor it because my old 2002 gs300 will do 0 to 60 in 7.5 and its got 118 less horsepower...
I hope you realize Infiniti is just Nissans luxury line.. Nissan is currently the third largest auto company on planet earth.. The GTR is faster than ANYTHING Lexus, Audi, BMW and Mercedes make. Every car, Class for class.. Infiniti is faster, that is why they don't compare it. The G is faster than the IS, A4, C Class... Have some common sense.. Lol. Infiniti is signed with Formula 1 Champ Sebastien Vettel ... 3 years in a roll... Toyota already lost 2012 sales in cars to Nissan... LOL
the AC in the lexus is not mechanically driven, but electrically. You're uselessly turning it off when drag racing.
Let's talk about the present : at present, the new GS beats the Infiniti M hands down in handling, smoothness of drivetrain and driving appeal. It's not just this comparo that says this ; Motortrend and Autobild magazine also ranked the GS above the Infiniti M for precisely the same reasons.
Talking about past Lexus models make you seem like you're dredging up the past just to distract everyone from the cold hard current reality : Lexus GS >> Infiniti M.
Feminine? WHAT? The infiniti looks pretty masculine to me. I'll choose the Infiniti over the Lexus. What is wrong with these reviewers? Makes me wonder if they're being paid to be biased.
And just because they disagree with your opinion, they're being "paid". I think the infiniti is dated and over-designed. I prefer the Lexus. Thats just my opinion, I'm not being paid to say that. (I wish I were, that would be great)
jojo0827 the Lexus is newer and probably is the first Lexus I would ever consider buying but the Infiniti IMO is still better built and still the better value. Plus the sport model with the 5.6 is an absolute gem.
if anything the infiniti is not as good looking as the lexus, being sporty you could also call it more of a drivers car.
Were both the batteries charged to a similar level?
You've obviously haven't driven the GS F Sport if you truly believe what you're saying. The LFA was also the STIG's favorite supercar of 2011.
there is much more in the infiniti that they are simply based about ...
What are you on about Neno8403 German brands are just that... a nameplate nothing else look stylish and elegant but when you look at reliability it comes down the the Japanese (watch some Topgear)
I'm wondering how you can control a car with the inside of your arm?
How do you think the acura rl concept will fare up? Its got all wheel drive but less power.
do a review of lexus lx570 vs infiniti QX56 :)....and i loved ur channel..its entertaining, enjoyable, and interesting :)
Screw, the track times, which one are you really going to wanna take home?
the limited Edition LFA that took ten years before being put out,
Or a car that lacks passion, fun, and while fast, lacks excitement.
Looking forward to the Spark review :)
Nissan is nicer than Toyota. Really ? lol
@bigberk yeah your clearly not a car enthusiast.
@Dominican they are comparing hybrids, not base cars
Best car I have so far (done 30+ already)
Lexus wipes the bathroom with infiniti. Before we traded our '11 IS for the '14 IS I decided to check out the ipl and the q50, wasted my life doing that! Performance wise I like infiniti but the over quality of their products are way below acceptable. What's with that Buick like interior in the q50, the dual acura like screens?.lol Once you have a Lexus you will NEVER step down to the overpriced nissan.
really? since infiniti did the screens first? the g/q50 is crap but above that the m series is better and the tech is much better in infiniti
For starters Lexus doesnt even have a luxury sports coupe to compete in the entry level segment ranking against competitors like the G37 coupe, 3 series coupe & Audi A5 coupe. Secondly they have yet to introduce a Luxury Crossover like the Infiniti FX, Porsche Cayenne, Ranger Rover Evoque or BMW X6. Whatever Infiniti may lack, Lexus does as well. Truth is, Lexus lacks all the sport oriented offerings of its Japanese & German rivals. Just because you give a car HP does mean its a sporty brand.
They're getting better, it seems - but yeah lol automatics are just finally starting to catch up with manuals now lol
Huh? The 5.6 V8 M could tear the Lexus' frame apart, feminine my ass.
What happened to 'solo dl mounted' thing
CVT in the Lexus? No thanks.
They always do these tests at higher altitudes which makes the car not perform as best as it can.
LEXUS FTW. Better looking inside and out and better built.
and Lexus is So Far conservative! Their Designs is too Bland,mediocre,old fashion... like Rice cakes! the only thing that looks a Tad bit sporty on a lexus is the F-sport fascia and that's starting to become a bit like Wallpaper may i say! Infiniti and i'm only going to speak for infiniti & lexus ,because i've had them both..(use to have the lexus IS350, fx50,now M56s IPL aero kit) infiniti has a very distinctive/sporty look that stands out from the rest of the brands. I agree with you John!
Wrong lap times ;) LFA: 7:14, LFA Nürburgring Edition: 7:12, Nissan GT-R 2009:7:27, Nissan GT-R 2012: 7:18.
Infiniti/nissan fuga always!!!!
Guys!! You want to say gay and that crap!! But Lexus is the only car that is really competing with Mercedes, BMW and Audi.. Everytime I see a Mercedes Benz or any of the other two!! They are always comparing a Lexus to those 3Brands!! I hardly and very rare they comparing or seen Infinity or Acura with Mercedes, BMW or Audi!! But Lexus is alway on the group with those 3.. So for those who hate Lexus just like Toyota!! Watchou cuz you gonna be hearing more! And Toyota is just getting Started!!!!
The Lexus looks like a facelifted Camry
I personally would choose the the M but I hate those little wheels they do absolutely nothing for the car, I would have the dealership add the 22' (or 20?) M Sport wheels they bring alot more masculinity to the M, and if they could not do that then I would just get the M Sport(M37 or M56) !
have you driven these cars?
Fact : JD Powers Long Term Dependability Study : Lexus at the top :)
Wait Till The Infiniti M Refresh in 2014 MY its going to get
And only a quarter worth it, the LFA Is better, even though the GTR is faster, the LFA, is a limited run Supercar, that is almost impossible to replicate in terms of sound, appearance, and the sheer air it gives off.
i mean really which on is going to be remembered in 50 years?
the 500 production, Limited run LFA?
Or the Extremely quick, however extremely dull GTR?
INFINITI ON TOP
I know this vid is old, but using "feminine" as a knock against a car makes it seem... a lot older. Said as a man, maybe upgrade that lingo gramps.
no way, i'd take the infiniti untul lexus sheds alot of pounds
Of course LEXUS FTW!
Infiniti anytime 😊
After all these years lexus proved triumph over infiniti as infiniti is likely to have a broken cvt now
Infiniti uses autos, Nissan uses the cvts
That is slow for the GS. There are plenty of videos showing it's under 6 seconds. Also I own one.