it's not the 0-60 mph that is important. it is the 30-50 mph and 50-70 mph that are important because those are passing and merging speeds scenarios. the gs450 outperforms the gs350 at these accelerations
I drove both of these cars back to back, and there is a bit more magic with the 450h. It just feels nicer. Go ahead folks, drive them back to back and then comment. I'm buying this car over an equally priced BMW 535i.
Haters will hate. Tell you what...why don't you go troll somewhere. You don't have to watch our reviews and we con't have to read your mean spirited comments. Deal.
i own the 2007 GS450h luxury , i can tell you that is better than any normal engine car in this class , combined luxury performance comfort equipment and safety , i want to forget normal cars that wear brakes a lot , wear clutches and gears , make a lot of noise for almost nothing and so on , and after 100k km you wait for alternator fail , starter fail , turbo on diesel fail , high pressure injectors fail etc . I own an VW and a Ford , maintenance cost is much more than diesel fuel savings
thats why they got rid of the 460, it didn't sell that well and it allows Lexus to mark up the F sport to get a V8 in the car. The 450H isn't a terrible compromise if your buying used since it deprecates sooooo much.
The car is actually closer to 4,000 lbs with the hybrid weighing in at well over 4,000. Very impressive, indeed. With those kind of numbers I'd expext to see a couple of tiny turbines under hood but it's NA to boot. I think they may be fibbing a bit about the power output. My guess is it's around 300 in economy mode, but higher in sport mode.
Hey Nathan, did Roman seriously not like the 450h as much as he portrayed??? As I said in an earlier comment, I drove them back to back and thought that the 450h was a lot nicer.
No way I can afford either of these cars, but I sure enjoyed the Mashup Review. If I had the income to be shopping in this price range, I'd probably buy the hybrid.
5MPG is a big difference. You know what gets 5MPG less than a stock GS350h? A 4-cyl compact car, that's what. Compared to a 4-cyl compact car, GS450h is way quicker, and has more trunk space. If you take that into account, that extra $8000 is worth it in spades. Besides.. don't people pay $8000 more for engine option anyway? Look at C250 compared to a C350. There is more than $8000 gap there, and C350 uses more fuel than C250... at least GS450h gives you some savings compared to GS350.
Thanks for the reply Nathan. I would agree about the price difference but this car feels different in a more positive way than the 350. Besides price it's got a lot going for it. I most likely will be buying the 450h. On a side note thanks for doing what you do. I watch every one of your videos!!! I would love to meet you guys someday. Or maybe do a RUSH concert at Redrock. I love Colorado, Almost moved to Larkspur around a year ago. Beautiful State.
But is slower. And is a lighter car. Point of GS450h isn't about absolute fuel economy. It is still pushing around a big sedan (one that is heavier than a V6 Accord, with all the luxuries on board). The point is to enhance the already excellent V6 by making it quicker, AND give fuel economy savings at the same time. Just about any time you up the power in the same car, you give up fuel economy. GS450h does the opposite of that. You know what other car does that? Accord Hybrid.
Yep 4 years on 83k milage I bought at 53k milage and no issues with the hybrid power train so far 😊 love this car slow when you want it to be and fast and powerful when you want to put it into sports mode.
I love watching the videos you guys make. You guys are fun, interactive, and do things normal people do to test a car. It's almost like I put myself in your shoes and feel the car myself. I honestly don't care about the comments people put against you guys, I think you're one of the best reviewers on RUclips. It would be AWESOME if you could go back to the car year of 2007 and test a Lexus LS460 L for me, or anyone else interested. That would make my year :D
Ya'lls large following and views speak for themselves. You do a good job, and are obviously doing something right. I especially appreciate when you good cop/bad cop a car because I sometimes see cars I like through overly rose-tinted glasses. One point in favor of the 450H; as the owner of a V6 hybrid(Highlander), proper technique can net up to 10 or more extra mpg depending on your commute. I regularly average 35 city/32hwy in a 4500lb 7-pass CUV rated 27/25. Could likely see 40MPG in the 450H.
Roman is right. The GS 350 is a better choice over the GS 450h. Can't really justify paying $8,000 more for the hybrid powertrain just because it has 32 more horsepower and 5 extra miles per gallon. Might get a GS or an RX 350 in a few years.
How would compare the GS 450h vs Infiniti M35h -- the first superhybrid? Interesting having a true head-to-head matchup -- the Infiniti -- the first fastest hybrid vs the Lexus -- the masters of luxury hybrids.
I worked at both dealerships, infinity and Lexus and I would say if you want reliability and durability go Lexus all the way anyway. Toyota invented the CVT and hybrid both and has always been a leader in those two.
He's a bit bent on the price differential. I see his point, but I think he has to see the logic in dollars before he can fully accept a vehicle. The GS350 feels a hair more lively around the bends and (I think) that's what makes him enjoy the non-hybrid more. I think he ate paint-chips as a kid too.
The best hide and seek spots when my family gets together are my uncle's S class, my other uncle's e class, and my dad's 5 series. The trunks of course!
Gentlemen , you 2 do great videos about cars . I like your humor . I've noticed an interesting song that starts at 1:20 , can someone tell me the name of it ?
You are right! I have the 2007 first model and with Goodyear wheels and sport mode I did it in 5.2 , 5.3, and 5.5 seconds. The fact is that it mostly accerelates very constantly and because of the weight in the back mostly without wheelspin (even in a super sports car you need a really good start to be faster :) So how in hell is it possible to need 7.2 or more in this newer model??
I guess it's because they drove it above sea level. However I still prefer how my 2010 drives in terms of comfort compared to 2013 and up. Softer ride feel but acceleration is still very impressive.
Boris Terekidi I own a GS 350 buy one ...can't say I'd dislike the hybrid though .Love my GS ..it's awd and super well built, fast and looks fantastic with over 80k on it .
I'm a fan of your channel guys, but sadly I should state that your videos became very boring. I think it's mostly because Roman and Nathan recently put too much focus on 0-60 tests, instead of looking into the practical aspects of the cars.
Well, they are doing what they enjoy, but American car reviewers tend to be the most boring to watch. No offense intended. Just calling it like how I see it - kinda on the boring side.
$70k car + CVT = No Sale. I don't care how good it is, this is a fail for Toyota when they want to compete with the Germnas and their dual clutch boxes.
it's not the 0-60 mph that is important. it is the 30-50 mph and 50-70 mph that are important because those are passing and merging speeds scenarios. the gs450 outperforms the gs350 at these accelerations
absolutely correct safer overtaking capibility
Thanks for your comments and feedback. Very much appreciated!
They are 8 years old, they still look so new
I drove both of these cars back to back, and there is a bit more magic with the 450h. It just feels nicer. Go ahead folks, drive them back to back and then comment. I'm buying this car over an equally priced BMW 535i.
Haters will hate. Tell you what...why don't you go troll somewhere. You don't have to watch our reviews and we con't have to read your mean spirited comments. Deal.
the hybrid is pretty nice: powerful and effecient, the bamboo wood looks great
love the wood in the hybrid
i own the 2007 GS450h luxury , i can tell you that is better than any normal engine car in this class , combined luxury performance comfort equipment and safety , i want to forget normal cars that wear brakes a lot , wear clutches and gears , make a lot of noise for almost nothing and so on , and after 100k km you wait for alternator fail , starter fail , turbo on diesel fail , high pressure injectors fail etc . I own an VW and a Ford , maintenance cost is much more than diesel fuel savings
I love my 2007 as well 😂😂
Really wish they would've kept the GS460, I wanna upgrade from mine, but the 350 didn't feel quite as quick, and the F is just too much right now
thats why they got rid of the 460, it didn't sell that well and it allows Lexus to mark up the F sport to get a V8 in the car. The 450H isn't a terrible compromise if your buying used since it deprecates sooooo much.
I didn’t know the gs350 and the 450h were identical body wise except for the rear diffuser.
I’m finally buying the GS, a used one. Impressed by Lexus, but want to go back to a sedan from my suv.
Really Great Video! Keep Them Coming. My favorite channel on youtube!
@deftgio for a car that weigh over 3000 lbs and can achieve 0-60 mph in 5.5 sec @ sea level, with 300 flywheel HP is respectable.
The car is actually closer to 4,000 lbs with the hybrid weighing in at well over 4,000. Very impressive, indeed. With those kind of numbers I'd expext to see a couple of tiny turbines under hood but it's NA to boot. I think they may be fibbing a bit about the power output. My guess is it's around 300 in economy mode, but higher in sport mode.
That dramatic music is so bad here, makes it all look so immature
WHat about the back seats? what about showing the actual interior a bit more? some features of it?
Proof that this cvt is really good. Nice Lexus GS!!!
Hey Nathan, did Roman seriously not like the 450h as much as he portrayed??? As I said in an earlier comment, I drove them back to back and thought that the 450h was a lot nicer.
I can never find these gs 450h for sale anywhere.
Cause no one wants to get rid of em
No come to the netherlands we got plenty
I just picked up a Lexus 450h GS 2012 f sport 53k milage very nice an sporty.
No way I can afford either of these cars, but I sure enjoyed the Mashup Review. If I had the income to be shopping in this price range, I'd probably buy the hybrid.
Get a 2006-2011gs450h and you will get even faster version
Either one both awesome cars!
That bamboo interior doesn't seem to be available in the UK
I have only seen it in the USA reviews
I was looking for such a comparison. thank you! Now I know what i will choose :)
5MPG is a big difference.
You know what gets 5MPG less than a stock GS350h? A 4-cyl compact car, that's what. Compared to a 4-cyl compact car, GS450h is way quicker, and has more trunk space.
If you take that into account, that extra $8000 is worth it in spades.
Besides.. don't people pay $8000 more for engine option anyway? Look at C250 compared to a C350. There is more than $8000 gap there, and C350 uses more fuel than C250... at least GS450h gives you some savings compared to GS350.
Thanks for the reply Nathan. I would agree about the price difference but this car feels different in a more positive way than the 350. Besides price it's got a lot going for it. I most likely will be buying the 450h. On a side note thanks for doing what you do. I watch every one of your videos!!! I would love to meet you guys someday. Or maybe do a RUSH concert at Redrock. I love Colorado, Almost moved to Larkspur around a year ago. Beautiful State.
Have you ever bought one finally?
i did my Gs350 2007 in 5.3 seconds and quarter mile in 13.8
Lee Brezzy they're 1 mile above sea level. They got thin air and it affects the engine power.
0-60 in the 450H is under 6 seconds. So I guess the altitude is really a factor
But is slower. And is a lighter car.
Point of GS450h isn't about absolute fuel economy. It is still pushing around a big sedan (one that is heavier than a V6 Accord, with all the luxuries on board).
The point is to enhance the already excellent V6 by making it quicker, AND give fuel economy savings at the same time. Just about any time you up the power in the same car, you give up fuel economy. GS450h does the opposite of that.
You know what other car does that?
Accord Hybrid.
Let me tell you the storage wt the boot is amazing i have 2 x12 subs and can still fit big bags
i own the 450h and the way it accelerates feels that it would do much better than 7,25s 0-60. never tried though
btw the EPA numbers for the GS350 are 19city 28hwy not19/26
They do what is called real world testing with 2 people at a much higher elevation. This usually ads around 1.5 - 2 seconds.
Over 2secs in a GS
4:59 And now lets try that acceleration, cornering and bump handling again - for like 30 minutes or so.
In Europe are 5.5/5.8 0-100 why lol?
Buying either this year 🎉grateful universe ❤
yeeea, you're right, this and the accord hybrid are very similar in that sense
any long-term feedback on the hybrid
Yep 4 years on 83k milage I bought at 53k milage and no issues with the hybrid power train so far 😊 love this car slow when you want it to be and fast and powerful when you want to put it into sports mode.
I love watching the videos you guys make. You guys are fun, interactive, and do things normal people do to test a car. It's almost like I put myself in your shoes and feel the car myself. I honestly don't care about the comments people put against you guys, I think you're one of the best reviewers on RUclips. It would be AWESOME if you could go back to the car year of 2007 and test a Lexus LS460 L for me, or anyone else interested. That would make my year :D
Ya'lls large following and views speak for themselves. You do a good job, and are obviously doing something right. I especially appreciate when you good cop/bad cop a car because I sometimes see cars I like through overly rose-tinted glasses. One point in favor of the 450H; as the owner of a V6 hybrid(Highlander), proper technique can net up to 10 or more extra mpg depending on your commute. I regularly average 35 city/32hwy in a 4500lb 7-pass CUV rated 27/25. Could likely see 40MPG in the 450H.
My 2012 lexus gs450h fsport make the 60mph in 5.6 Sek at gps and on dyno i dont know What you are doing but its wrong
Roman is right. The GS 350 is a better choice over the GS 450h. Can't really justify paying $8,000 more for the hybrid powertrain just because it has 32 more horsepower and 5 extra miles per gallon. Might get a GS or an RX 350 in a few years.
Wrong 👎
Thinking to buy this car now me. 450
Great video guys! I agree with Roman thought I don't like CVT's even though they are a little faster.
Someone who’s in the market for the GS450h would NEVER think about a Nissan Leaf🙄
Seriously, We're seriously serious about our serious job.
Roman recommended the es350h! Why is he down in the gs450h? No consistency, just bad review, like the terrible music.
How would compare the GS 450h vs Infiniti M35h -- the first superhybrid? Interesting having a true head-to-head matchup -- the Infiniti -- the first fastest hybrid vs the Lexus -- the masters of luxury hybrids.
I worked at both dealerships, infinity and Lexus and I would say if you want reliability and durability go Lexus all the way anyway. Toyota invented the CVT and hybrid both and has always been a leader in those two.
He's a bit bent on the price differential. I see his point, but I think he has to see the logic in dollars before he can fully accept a vehicle. The GS350 feels a hair more lively around the bends and (I think) that's what makes him enjoy the non-hybrid more. I think he ate paint-chips as a kid too.
🤣
Beautiful cars
What about the BMW ActiveHybrid5? Or the E-Class Hybrid that's coming out soon?
The best hide and seek spots when my family gets together are my uncle's S class, my other uncle's e class, and my dad's 5 series. The trunks of course!
Gentleman's, please can you compare or do you mash-up with Mazda CX5 and Subaru XV Crosstrek?
Thanks a lot man!
Gentlemen , you 2 do great videos about cars . I like your humor . I've noticed an interesting song that starts at 1:20 , can someone tell me the name of it ?
bought a RX450h suv from 2010
Is it just me or are both of these cars extremely slow? The 2007-2011 GS 450H 0-60 time is 5.2 seconds. Am I missing something?
You are right! I have the 2007 first model and with Goodyear wheels and sport mode I did it in 5.2 , 5.3, and 5.5 seconds. The fact is that it mostly accerelates very constantly and because of the weight in the back mostly without wheelspin (even in a super sports car you need a really good start to be faster :)
So how in hell is it possible to need 7.2 or more in this newer model??
@@mangakunja5431 It's apparently hot and one mile above sea level. Hot & high are the worst conditions for any engine except rockets.
Was wondering the same. My 2010 is way faster.
Are you guys for real? Gs 450h 0-60 time is 5.7 seconds,how you geting these shit results
5.2 GS450H
Why does the 2013 GS do 0-60 in over 7 secs when the older ones did it in 5.7 seconds?
Are you serious? If that's true I may as well get a 2007. Plus I love the interior even the phone camera makes it look fancy.
@@buzzjohnson4964 YEP! I don't think they drove this fast all. 7 seconds is way too slow.
I guess it's because they drove it above sea level. However I still prefer how my 2010 drives in terms of comfort compared to 2013 and up. Softer ride feel but acceleration is still very impressive.
Ha my 2006 does 0-60 in 5.8... I must be doing something right
can't understand how this does it in 7 secs.
The older GS450H is under 6 sec.
2013 honda accord v6 gets the same highway fuel economy as the gs450h
I just got my 6th Lexus in 18yrs😄
good yuks! both great cars.
I was looking at buying a GS400h, but now - it seems GS350 is a better choice.
Boris Terekidi I own a GS 350 buy one ...can't say I'd dislike the hybrid though .Love my GS ..it's awd and super well built, fast and looks fantastic with over 80k on it .
@@jmfs2k273 what year did you buy?
@@MikeB-jn2bu I bought a 2013, its awesome
Nice car
"Guess what I'm driving?"
It says on the title of the video! :p
I'm a fan of your channel guys, but sadly I should state that your videos became very boring. I think it's mostly because Roman and Nathan recently put too much focus on 0-60 tests, instead of looking into the practical aspects of the cars.
wth ? beautiful car
Great!
Now test them in winter or heavy rain. 450h won’t stand a chance.
Why is the shitty music trying to rip off Faith No More's "We Care a Lot"?
19 City & 26 Highway MPG is from the Hybrid, not from the Normal 350..!
why so SLOW? Are those guy in Sport Mode??
THIS IS SO DAMN FUNNY! My Grand Parents had the same exact argument as Nathan and Roman. ;)
Ha! My Subaru Outback Can Do a 7sec 0-60 with similar size engine.
Colorado doesn’t help you with horsepower due to elevation
Well, they are doing what they enjoy, but American car reviewers tend to be the most boring to watch. No offense intended. Just calling it like how I see it - kinda on the boring side.
They are careful not to offend anyone. 😏
I love Lexus' attention to detail but $70G and only 31MPG? The M Hybrid sounds like a better option
like anyone cares what you think - it's the internet!
No.
@ 1:43 he said HyBIRD lmao not hybrid
4:14 scooby doo :P
We care a lot remix ha ha
$70k car + CVT = No Sale. I don't care how good it is, this is a fail for Toyota when they want to compete with the Germnas and their dual clutch boxes.
He has too much hair to be trusted.........:) :)
The choice is simple, we can't be sure how long the CVT and batteries will last. Get the regular model.
lol
Don`t care..!
At sea level the 350 is faster
Too expensive for a Lexus.
You are getting more for your money then with the germ man's cars. If they charged more for the Lexus it would be worth it comparatively.
CVT , super tacky interior,..... bleh.
As the 2007 gs450h 5.6 just saying with 22mpg not much of a difference