Constructing A Building From Found Blueprints
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- Опубликовано: 15 июн 2022
- In 2021, Indiana University opened a new building for the Eskenazi School of Architecture, a 10,000 sf administrative space with offices and conference rooms. The floating white steel structure bears all the hallmarks of a building designed by Mies van der Rohe. That is because it was designed by Mies, sixty-five years earlier as a Pi Lamda Phi fraternity house. The largely forgotten design was rediscovered, redrawn by the firm Thomas Phiffer and Partners, and constructed with some modern updates, but mostly just as Mies would have wanted it. This video traces the evolution of this building's design and construction all the while questioning the role of authorship and originality in Architecture.
Corrections:
01:09 Indiana University, not University of Indiana. I will make this mistake throughout.
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As part of the team that built this project it turned out to be one of my finest. The structural Steel as shown in the video was started in our shop and completed in the field on site to make it look the way it does. As with most all of Shelby Coatings, Inc. projects this is my "last" new construction project because after 48 years of doing special coatings I'm retiring. So it is fitting to see this project done and love the video, great job.
Garrick B
I would humbly suggest that you make one last project, a country house replica of this, on a hill top somewhere. All that light!
A fantastic legacy you leave as your last project! Its beautiful, congrats.
Very cool. Did you get to sign your name anywhere on that steel?
u have done a great job garrick
I am not an architect but my work in a former career life required that I created the vision and thousands of hours conveying that vision and hammering out details. I considered the final products to have sprung from my own mind. Do you consider truly great structures to be conceived of consensus or born of an individual's vision and birthed by a team?
One thing I kept thinking of as I watched this: if Mies had still been around to oversee the construction of this building, he would have had to make many of the same concessions to his original plans that were made here. I wonder if he would have been as thoughtful about adapting it to his original vision, or, since he would have more of a sense of ownership over the design, if he would have made more drastic changes to accommodate modern standards and regulations.
I wondered the same while watching this. This design was cutting-edge when originally drawn, and not a lot was known about how this style of building would perform in the real world. Surely he would have developed it even further with access to current knowledge and materials.
And, if the building had been built in the 1950s as he intended it then, many of these changes would have been made as it was maintained through the years.
@@BrooksMoses That's an interesting point. If the owners had not been able/willing to keep it "as is" it's likely that post facto changes would have changed it much much more significantly from its original lines/volumes.
In the video it implies that later blue prints seemed to have included more modern changes like the kind of material that he might have ended up using for the casing on the windows. So, yes, he would have opted to use some of the latest materials and techniques of the day.
Well, to be specific, I'm guessing the stairway design needed to be wider in case of fire or other disaster, given that the design is simplicity and functionality that should not have been too much of a problem. Guessing most of those changes would be safety considerations which are neutral changes to the esthetic. (Frank Lloyd Wright no so much, they're still trying to fix his places)
I go to Indiana and this explains a lot about this new building on campus! Everyone thought it was a very odd design for a new building and a strange use of space when expansion always seams to be the case at IU. Very cool to learn more about the history!
Odd design? It's beautiful!
Kind of like the Taliesin Associated Architects who would build some Wright’s unbuilt works but modify them to the client needs, site, and codes.
Yep, one of them was in the soon be a named part of Madison, in the town of Middleton Wisconsin where Frank Lloyd Wright lived some of his last years. The Convention center that was to be built on the main lake.
@@caseysmith544 Manona Terrace, I may have misspelled that.
It’s a beautiful structure that is exactly what Wright wanted. The lights were to be the zodiac signs with the middle globe to represent the sun.
@@jatdesign4495 Yep was there for the Kite festival in 1999 and then in 2000 when a guy broke the world record for largest Kite that later Japan really took the record with a whole town. Also some people way out on the lake set the new ice skate kite skiing speed record as well as an ice skate wind surfing record. Odd sport where they take often older lightly messed up bottom wind surfing boards and attached 4 sets of the blades from hockey ice skates on them to ride.
I worked in one of their buildings, Ruth Eckerd Hall, and it was a delight to behold.
Such as The Usonian House at Florida Southern College in Lakeland, Florida.
I lived a stones throw away from this building last year and got to see most of the process of it being built and it was super cool
I see what you did there.😁
Show me an architect who successfully designed an entire building in all its detail such that no engineer, builder, plumber etc had to make changes or design parts of it themselves. That's all they did here, change what needed to be changed to make the building work. The only difference is they didn't have to waste months sending emails back and forth to the architect because he wasn't still around.
Mart Stam!
Mies just copied that style!
Show me an engineer who has designed something that isn't a pain in the ass to repair 😑
I’m sure there are plenty of buildings like that but honestly as someone in architecture school right now I’d rather just let the engineers go at it then bother with things that are boring and that I know little about. I mean we LEARNED how to do SOME of that but I’d rather let the professionals handle it and tweak their finished work to be more “aesthetic” then to send electrical plans and HVAC plans back and forth even though I don’t think those plans are interesting at all
Handymen think architecture is easy
Not soo….
I did that.
So kidding, I did data center architecture (which in no way means i designed data centers 😂🤣😂🤣🤣)
I don't know how many of us observed that he speaks about Mies van der Rohe while sitting on a Barcelona chair-and also the look of the patio chairs echoing the Barcelona chair structure.
Stewart Hicks is my favourite in architecture videos! Thank you Sir!
I love how you've asked questions about provenance and yet it still reads like a love letter to van der Rowe. Great take.
Thanks!
You always let me think critically about buildings. There is no doubt that this is a Mies van der Rohe building even if it has been modernized to comply with present day regulations. Although architecture is an art form, it is the only art form that is subjected to change over time, depending on the initial value of the design. This is a prime example. It still has the character initially intended by Mies, but adapted to modern day use. Being an art form, I think it is important to credit the designer even if an entire team worked to realize the vision. Construction drawings are instructions to the builder and there should be little room for 'interpretation' by the contractor.
Apropos to your comment about architecture being subject to change over time, many buildings are remodeled/modified over time to adapt to the current needs of the occupants and to update them to current codes and standards. But I would suggest that (unless they are heavily modified/stripped of their original aesthetic) they are still in essence the building designed by the original architect.
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Modeling and knowledge is more widespread and there are solutions that are not as invasive to the original design. Compared to when it was designed.
Better Heating and cooling systems, better and lighter flat roofing, Glas that is way way better. Etc
@@darthandeddeu Absolutely, but there are times when the floor plan needs to change, such as for adaptive re-use or a different occupant needs more of one type of space and less of another. One nice feature of Mies' plans, for instance, is the standard grid size which gives the space flexibility.
It's the same with music or any other art form where you have a plan and the have others reproduce it. Music will have notations and sheet music, but every time it is played it is interpreted by the performers - either through the selection of the instruments, the dyamnics of the performance, the energy, or even just reinterpretation of certain parts or even entire songs to fit a new style.
Back etc. aren't played the same they were the first time, likely they are played radically differently due to changes in even fundamentals such as instrument tuning.
Arent most/all art forms are subjected to change over time?
To most (myself included): it’s clearly a Mies Van Der Rohe. And to the those few that it’s not; I think it’s impossible to see it as anything less than a passionate and faithful love letter to one of the most important architects of a generation.
I thought it was a Wright building at first
I identified it as a Mies van der Rohe from the thumbnail alone even before I knew what the video was all about.
I’m not an architect, but this is one of my favorite channels to currently watch on youtube, because of the quality and how it’s just so well presented that it’s almost just as calming as it’s informational. It makes me appreciate my surroundings more than ever.
If you ever ran out of ideas, I think a video about the urban planning in communist countries would be interesting for many who still live in those (me included). Or a video about Buckminster Fuller would be cool. I know there are some already, but none I’ve seen were as good as yours would be.
I think Stewart could talk about anything from almonds to zebras and I'd enjoy listening to him talk.
I remember seeing a couple of Buckminister Fuller’s ball houses in a vintage Omni mag I found as a kid, & a couple years later there was a Northern Exposure character that had one in a later season. I’d love to know more about those things.
Also I wish I could remember more than “Preston” “Minuteman” & “Sanctuary” about where your pfp comes from so I could make a rad in-joke about your inevitable construction stylings in the Wasteland...but alas I am too dumb. Oh no...now I probably have to go quest for a punchline...
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 I lived in a remote town in Alaska 40 years ago and someone had one of those in town. Its diameter, I would guess, was almost 30 feet. Most of the pictures I've seen of them were transparent, but this was not.
While I thoroughly enjoyed the Mies van der Rohe experience, what will stay with me longer is your brilliant delivery and skill of objectivity. Thank you for the lesson, lifelong will it last.
i am absolutely stunned by Mies' work. i don't know how he makes these rectangular boxes interesting and makes them stand out. this seems like an amazing space to be in and i think this old project got taken care of really well
This design is fascinating because it has so much potential. It could be left flat on the ground to make it a residence. The high-rise stilts offer protection from floods and it would look "at home" on the beaches of Miami or in the metro areas of Las Vegas or modern Dallas. He was far ahead of his time.
Classicist proportion. All the early modernists were scholars of Palladio, it is clearly evident in the way they handle harmony and proportion. There's a simple elegance to their work that makes them timeless beauties.
I was Pilam in college. They can't have nice things so this makes sense haha
I was not expecting to see a video today about a building I've had classes in
Thank you for all your uploads Stewart. It's a fascinating insight into the architecture world.
As an IU alum I loved hearing about the new development around campus. As a Midwest native, I was initially confused about where this building was located - with Illinois and Indiana both having a town named Bloomington, and the naming differences of the schools (Universty of Illinois vs Indiana University). I watched this on my TV but came to my computer to see if any other viewers noticed this. I appreciate your due diligence of adding the correction to the description! Overall great content.
I would definitely say that would be an authentic Mies van der Rohe design. Considering the provenance so design and the blessing by the family and the attention to detail! Hooray for the Indiana university Bloomington
This is not art, just construction skills, include the constructors in the design.
Mart Stam just used the materials that were available back then. Mies used that design, enhanced it.
Build that now? Art?
We can do better designs now, we do have way better skills, able to use any materials!
Keep building Barcelona buildings, keep using these chairs too ???
Fascinated to discover how exciting architecture has captured my imagination late in life. There is time to appreciate it, and I am. Thank you for this and it’s wonderful presentation.
Fantastic video. As a structural engineer I love the floor hanger system. Thomas’ team did an exquisite job with the original design.
I love hearing engineers say they love the unique, hard solutions, and design intent - so refreshing, I’ve worked with many engineers who are really against anything but W-flanges and 90 degree boxes
I am so happy that I found your channel. Your videos are so well done and so interesting. Thanks for cresting them! I'm surprised this one is only 13 minutes and there's so much there to think about.
Thank you for the kind words!
This video brought me so much joy today! Thank You! It’s fascinating how this building came to be born so long after it was planned. Honestly i can’t image it as a Frat House.
There's more than a couple of fraternities that might not have gotten in the trouble they encountered if they lived in a Glass Frat House.
OnlyFans certainly comes to mind.
It is a team effort but without that architect's vision and drive, the building will never be more than the sum of it's parts. In your analogy, the architect is both the composer and the conductor using many people to create his vision. All great art, even if many hands touch it, is the product of that one visionary. All art is that way, whether paintings, sculptures, automobiles or architecture, the truly great examples have a single mind guiding everyone else along to create the masterpiece.
My Pa was a construction engineer who dabbled in architecture. He dismantled a log house and rebuilt it at a new site. He has been dead six years now, and we as a family keep the build going, trying to stick to his vision while accommodating needs that he hadn’t thought of. A building is never quite finished, or it’s dead.
You’re what I wish my professors were
I’d be interested in what you think of House of an Art Lover, a Mackintosh house built in the 90s, and the potential rebuild of the Glasgow Art School which burned down… twice…
These videos are absolutely incredible! I have no idea how you come up with all these unique ideas
I'm a big fan of Mies, and really like when you cover his work!
Thank you for introducing me to Thomas Phifer and Partners.
That umbrella form is just perfection to me. ❤
Well, that's another interesting video! I think the new building could be called a "Mies" building, because even though an architect doesn't actually build his or her project, neither does a clothing designer actually stitch the garment, but his or her name is on the label. In music, adjustments are called "arrangements" so a Mozart piece could be "arranged by" someone else, for instance for school orchestras. Perhaps with a major update such as the Eskenazi School of Architecture building, joint "authorship" might be appropriately assigned.
Im a architect from Brazil and im binge watching all your vídeos. Great Work man !
Hello from Bloomington! It's beautiful to explore here; come to visit.
Brilliant. Especially the last couple of statments!
As an industrial architect/designer, where I specialize in multi-story clean room projects, I assure you that on our side of the profession we often build top-down with complex infrastructure requiring interior box within a box design & construction. BTW, fab der Rohe was a inspiration to me and my homage to him is a multipurpose visitor/meeting center on an industrial campus that put a small postage stamp of human scale on a site where 6m floors in concrete dominate the landscape.
A bit off topic, but I'd love to see a video on Richardsonian Romanesque. Being as you're based in Chicago, an examination of the John J. Glessner House would be very interesting.
Thank you for your content. You’re one of my favorite RUclips channels
Your videos provide interesting insights into architecture that I had never considered, thanks!
Growing up in Chicago I was deep influenced to become an architect, first because of Frank Lloyd Wright and the by Miles van der Rohe, and their modern looks. Hopefully today more students of architecture will pay more attention to the power of various schools of design to understand how these older architects got a lot of design ideas correct.
I cannot understate how much I love your videos. I moved to Iowa recently and love visiting all the little treasures in the Midwest (American Gothic house last week!), so this is on my list right next to the secret sky barn now!!!
Thank you for this excellent video. You mentioned music existing at a remove from the creator, but there are many examples in the plastic arts as well. Bronze sculptures are executed by craftsmen, not by the artist, from castings or other intermediary processes apart from the original design. Rodin even authorized posthumous castings of his bronzes. Chihuli farms out all his pieces, and he has not personally blown a single piece of glass in decades, although he isn't the best example, given the recent controversies around his work. Warhol worked with a team to execute his pieces. Examples abound throughout the art world.
Great examples.
Interesting, I’ll have to check it out.
This reminds me of the Pavilion for Japanese Art at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA).
Bruce Goff first designed it for a site in Bartlesville OK, then as an addition to the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York. Then Goff died.
His former apprentice Bart Prince took Goff’s design and adapted it for LA. Granted this opened to the public within 6 years of Goff’s passing. Prince is the architect of record, but everyone considers it a Goff design.
Was just looking at this building last week. Did not know this. Thank you!
I love the idea of architectural replication as a way of representing architecture. Just as the architect has to pay special attention to how they represent their vision in their work (drawings and renders), those who are trying to replicate architecture from those who have passed also have to pay attention to this. After all, the replication is in and of itself a form of representation, and that's pretty interesting. Loved the video!
I love this building as a student at IU. Emailed eskenazi to thank him and he replied!
Yes, we should build the designs but there should be a law that such buildings include a plaque explaining that it's a posthumous build and including the names of any/all architects involved in design changes or additions.
If your going to do that then you better also include all the engineers who made the design functional. Not architect has the ability to make a design from start to finish so perfectly complete and detailed that all the structural, MEP, process, ect drawings needed 0 changes from the PEs who stamped them. (Because the training alone would take longer than med school, and the design process would take ages, tally up all the hours billed to a single project and its years) The entire design team, often distributed across multiple firms, rightfully feels a sense of ownership for a successful design.
And most importantly, a design is only good iff it serves the client's needs.
Not sure how RUclips decided your video should so as a suggestion, but glad it did. This is a very interesting video and I'm glad I watched. Thanks.
Really enjoyed watching this and appreciate its lucidity and thoughtfulness. The conclusion you made at the end about authorship and outdated tropes of the "lone genius" are spot-on and very eloquently stated. Thank you!
Can you make a series about different famous architects, their work, design philosophy, and impact to contemporary architecture.
Love your videos btw
I'd love to! Sounds a little costly though...
What for, there’s HUNDREDS of videos like it already
As a student at IU I can say I love walking past this building everyday and whenever I have a major project it's where I study. Glad to have found this video.
Wow that ending statement was so good. I love to think about the group effort that goes into turning each building into a masterwork.
I think the comparison of architecture and building to music is particularly apt. Each stage of realizing the terminal expression of a design is its own art form. The design is an art. The interpretation is an art. Each of the disciplines involved in execution is an art form. Architecture and music are compound art forms, and each are a team sport.
I saw this building today. Didn't know it existed, but I recognized the design as soon as I saw it and was very surprised by it. I pointed it out to my daughter as "look, real architecture". Then I came home and discovered you'd posted this video to explain what it was and the story behind it
Really not a bad design i love it.
Soo much space light places for a garden and trees mmmm love it.
It does need the middle to be open like a yard mybe a small salt pool in the middle next to some kind of garden.
What a beautiful orchestration of the original architects design and intent.
The overriding factor in assigning whether a building is attributed to a certain architect is whether you can ascertain that the given architect was the one who first envisioned the design/building. Constructing a building today is indeed a team effort more than ever but without that initial vision, whether it be on a piece of paper or an actual architectural drawing, you simply wouldn't have a building design to construct.
New subscriber and life long fan of architectural design. Actually, I studied architecture at USC for a few years in the late 70s. Still remember our late nights finishing our projects in the studio and the sometimes brutal reviews of them afterwards. Many fond memories from my time at USC, and it's also where I got hooked on coffee so I could stay up late to work on those projects. :)
I was first exposed to photography through studying architecture as we had our own photography lab and darkroom since we were required to take B/W photos of our models. I was so mesmerized by seeing a photograph slowly come to life from a blank sheet of paper in developing liquid, that I also became a life long photographer on that day. To this day I still love being involved with both disciplines.
I have the opposite problem. I own/live in an early Eichler home which was built before Joseph Eichler teamed up with Anshen & Allen to create Eichler's iconic mid-century homes. It was designed after Eichler had become inspired by FLW and his vision for Usonian homes. The house itself is built with a raised foundation (vs. a slab) and has central HVAC (vs. radiant heating), doesn't have a central courtyard, but still has a flat roof, large plate glass windows, and a lot of the other features which Anshen & Allen went on to use in their designs. Is the house an Eichler? Maybe a Likeler by Eichler?
My take on this is it honestly doesn't matter. I love the house and homes are meant to be lived in. I've also had to bring the house up to code (like adding insulation, redoing the plumbing, electrical, asbestos disposal, etc), and to add an addition to make it work for a family in the 21st century vs. mid-20th century. How much of the house is new vs. "original"?
I would be so interested in a video tour of your home. i can both visualize and not visualize it at the same time by your description. You make me so curious to see and learn more
Its a very "ship of Theseus" problem, and my answer as an engineer it that it doesn't matter. A design is only good if it serves the needs of the client (in this case, you as the home owner), and you have done remodeling (maybe contracted out to professional designers) to update the design to suit your new needs. (Meeting code, more space, ect)
Some architects design monuments to themselves, good architects design for their client's needs. (including planning for future needs, an example of an EE doing this is oversizing a main service so that in 10yrs when the building expands they have capacity and don't need to spend a bunch of money upgrading the service)
another instand hood classic, Stewart. Thanks for all that you do
That's a nice bright sunshiny mid-century building.
Very clean lines.
thank you thank you thank you.
Love the crossover interpretation of other arts that parallels architecture
Yes, just as it is during their time on earth, it is their work on paper that is completed by the builder.
It is , if nothing else, a fitting tribute to their genius. and an honor to their legacy.
I agree full heartedly with your questions about authorship (not only in architecture but in many of the disciplines). It is time we abandon the myth of the sole creator genius and recognize the collaborative effort involved in the creation of such works. IMO it doesn't diminish the role of people like Mies, but acknowledges the contributions of all those involved. Your students are lucky to have you. Your videos are so well put together and the topics are compelling. Thanks for all your hard work.
His work is some of the best in history.
Found this channel by accident, so great full for RUclips recommendations!
these are so awesome. I had no idea I liked architecture until I started watching your videos this week
That's so great to hear!
This is on my campus, I went to the open house when it opened. I dream that before I graduate I will be able to sit and paint inside on a rainystormy day, its so relaxing to be in that building.
Yay! My campus is being represented! I get to pass by this building on my way to classes every day!
I love your music analogy. Bach's Cello Suites are still Bach, whether played by Rostropovich, Yo-Yo Ma, Jacqueline du Pré or Cassels.
That's a Mies van der Rohe. And it is stunning!
As someone that loves architecture, yet is not one, I feel that if an architect (or his/her team) design a building (and he/she signs off on it), then it is the work of that architect. As far as i'm concerned, architecture isn't just designing and drawing plans. It is about the location, the situation, the environment, in which those plans will be built. Therefore, you can take the plans of an architect, and build to those plans elsewhere, but if they were not drawn for that piece of land, then it's not of that architect. You could call it 'initially designed by...' or something, but I don't know if I could call it fully by said architect.
But that's just me, idk...
It looks very Mies and very Farns-worthy. Love it
Superbly done
This really shows the value of an good archive too.
I like the idea of a hovering floor.
I appreciate the correlation with a music composition. I’m a composer/orchestrator, when I was in school my teacher often talked about a piece in architectural terms. And, interestingly, I do love architecture, I wanted to become an architect growing up, but became a musician instead. I still love staring at buildings in awe. I live in Los Angeles - the Frank Gehry designed Walt Disney Concert Hall is one of my favorite structures. It’s a stunning piece of design and construction. And sound!
OMG MORE OF THESE HOMES PLEASE!!!
I love that a Mies building was constructed in the modern age with new construction methods.
It is a marvelous design. I love it
I haven’t finished watching this but my immediate response is: this looks identical to the Air Force Academy dorms!
This is so cool! I wish there were more buildings like this. New, Mid-century buildings that were adapted from old blueprints.
I love the quality of your videos!
Mr. Hicks, in a short video you have detailed aspects of Mies I have yet to see in any other video. This is a quick macro and micro view on Mies. Very cool and thank you.
Beautiful design.
Beautiful. Stunning.
This is so cool. I did not know the designs were so old. I was just there as I'm going to IU as a freshman this fall. It's a very cool building in person and compared to the buildings around it, definitely stands out.
I will. I always wanna live in that iconic Farnworth house.
Love the building and how you filmed the story 🙌
OH MY GOD I HAD NO IDEA!!!! I Pass that building every day!!!
The firm Skidmore, Owings, & Merrill (SOM) did a whole college campus of buildings similar to this: the US Air Force Academy. Walter Netsch was the lead architect. SOM’s Gertrude Lempp Kerbis studied with Mies van der Rohe at IIT, and she designed Mitchell Hall. So although only one building has an indirect link to Mies van der Rohe all of the other buildings are stylistically similar. This would suggest that the modernist movement was being expressed through similar architecture concepts and solutions by many people.
This reminds me of the story behind Monona Terrace, up here in Madison, designed in the 1920s-30s by Frank Lloyd Wright but built in the 1990s, and has since become an icon of the city, despite it covering up much of a mural along the lakefront.
In the end He was the inspiration.
Beautiful building wonderful video
And the friends we made along the way...
Thank you Stewart. I found your presentation of this building fascinating. I wonder if the modern additions to meet code could be viewed as a more _human_ and livability alterations that Mies would have adapted to and developed further if he were alive to oversee construction.
A marvel, nicely adapted!
I remember going to Taliesin West for a school field trip in elementary school (this was a while ago so I could be misremembering details and intentions as well) and the tour guide told us how Frank Lloyd Wright would sometimes give his apprentices a small sum of money to build the desert dwellings that (I hope) are still on the property.
It wasn't even enough money to buy materials so this would encourage apprentices to collaborate on the design, look for financial support from outside benefactors and compromise to cut costs all with the intention of simulating what it would be like to work in the real world. Work changing hands, compromising, cutting designs that don't fit the budget or needs all for the sake of making a building that the architect and the client could be happy with. You said "Is this a faithful and untainted reproduction of Mies's vision?" And I think that no building is 100% untainted, there's always things cut for costs, or changes made for the client or by the contractors. Calling this building a product of Mies's vision is enough I believe.
As an architect, I know nothing I design is solely mine! The contractor, engineer, building department, fire department, code inspector and carpenter all make changes to your design base on their job requirements. They're not always good changes or desired changes, but they will happen.
It's a Mies van der Rohe building.
If those people make changes to your design that means your design was wrong to start with. I know it is harsh but when you start the design you have parameters: Code, budget, technical feasibility. And you need to design within those parameters. Now if contractors do not respect your design, it is your job to crack the whip and make them do what they contracted to do.
@@thornil2231 the design process is highly iterative, unexpected problems crop up all the time. Ideally an architect would know everything all the different trades need and would get everything right the first time, i would bet a trillion dollars this never happens in all of history. (Even if the architect was qualified to make every single drawing and design decision, they would still encounter problems forcing design changes that conflict with the original vision)
The difference between a good and bad architect is if they intend to make something to best suit the client's needs vs just make a monument to themselves. (Not that most of the buildings i work on as an electrical engineer are particularly monument worthy, being industrial facilities or labs)
At the end of the day all the design disciples will grumble about eachother as they make requests to change something or another, and architects are the ones most responsible for aesthetics and engineers are tasked with function. (Not that us engineers are intentionally trying to make ugly buildings, its just normally last on the list of things to solve)
@@jasonreed7522 An architect is someone who knows a little about a lot. An engineer is someone who knows a lot about a little.
A good architect is a multi faceted individual. You have to be a psychologist (sometime a psychiatrist) to deal with clients, an economist, an engineer, an artist, a construction manager, a drafter, a manager of the design team, and to know building trades. And yes you have good ones. The bad ones only do one thing: Be a drafter for the client, regardless of the stupidity of the design.
Of course the design process is iterative, but a good architect is able to do a preliminary design that will be very close to the final. You take the example of electrical, a good architect is able to anticipate the chases in relation to the structural elements, and tell the structural engineer, "you can't have a beam there..."
I like to put architect in the unenviable set of jobs anybody think they can do like restaurant/bar owner, contractors... Yes you can design it yourself... and it will look like you designed it yourself...
@@thornil2231 definitely agree, architects are normally the primary on a job which means they have to do all the administrative "cat herding", and even if they aren't primary they still are the center of coordination of the trades since they are in charge of "artistic vision" and their job comes first as they make the building itself in the model/plans so everyone needs to coordinate with them. Not an enviable task to have.
I also think it does everyone good to have a little "Renaissance Man" in them for knowing what the other trades need. It may be mandatory for architects since their design for the building must accomodate all the utilities and suport that goes inside it, but engineers can make eachothers lives way easier by taking a small step out of their way because they know what a different discipline needs. (To me one of the most obvious place for this is in fieldwork, take legible and clear photos of things outside of just what you need and you will save someone without even knowing it. Nothing is worse than needing to read a label but the only image of it is blurry.)
A good example of design synergy would be if you have a cathedral ceiling, it needs lights, HVAC, structural, fire suppression, and obviously aesthetics, you could run all the conduit and pipes separately, or you could run everything up the top surface of the beams and cover them in a beautiful facade. A little coordination goes a long way.
Amazing
Hopefully we see more of this style!
This looks like a drawing reminds me of a plan Mies designed for early IIT campus plan. I was fortunate to learn under a few of his students.
Simply perfect!
I really liked this one, thank you for the video!
Great video. Really good points on all the people who are involved in the influence of the finished product.
0:49 I'm an estimator. In my experience, the drawings are ostensibly finished at the 100% CD set stage, but then we are subjected to several rounds of bulletins as they try to correct their blunders.
Im always impressed by a structure that I want to live in, work in and be social in in equal parts.