SYSTEMA (Система): Ballistic Striking and the Wave
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- This is a segment of a seminar series hosted by Rocky Mountain Self Defense in Denver, CO. Here I offer insight on my interpretation on Slavic martial training. The Russian Martial Art- SYSTEMA often employs drills and psychological methods to help reinforce flow and unrestricted movement as well as internal to external wave energy development. I think it integrates well and illustrates the idea of "moving like water," that is found in many soft styles of martial arts, to include Combat Hapkido.
We are NOT training to allow strikes to enter our defenses, but, rather, conditioning our body for contact in a soft and flowing way as well as learning to move the energy imparted to us. The extension from the torso after this is learned is fluid and can intercept at any range of contact. Learn from the inside out...
I was first introduced to it through one of my Korean students who did a seminar with Vlad. I have trained with Martin Wheeler several times over the past 4 years and have done a lot of playing with the concepts. For me, I look at the common themes in as many styles with similar purposes (read: practical self defense) as possible. Systema has given me an internal and softer side and bolstered me with many great concepts and drills. I love it. The two arts are not mutually exclusive to me.
Like your teaching. Thank you for sharing.
Blessings...
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Where are you studying and how can I help?
As someone who trains in both Mma and Systema/Combat Sambo its a great mix, fore one is tense and the other teaches u proper relaxtion and breathing. Noone punches as hard as Systema guys.
Thanks for taking the time to share, James! As they say, nearly all of Systema is internal; hard to express on a video. I hope your training is taking you where you want it to and where it ought to!
I have to agree, I have decades of Boxing and MT experience and the Systema instructor that hit me... well I'm not sure how to describe it - it felt like being hit by a cannonball from very small distance with zero windup and very little energy expelled by the instructor. The systema clips on YT don't do this MA any justice unless you experience it in real life.
I think what the naysayers here are missing, is that the skills demonstrated in any martial art, including systema, have to be incorporated, coordinated into real applications. Any martial art starts with the building blocks (learning how to punch, how to move, etc.), and from there, you move to the next level.What I've witnessed and experienced with systema, convinces me, it teaches some very dynamic and revolutionary means to striking and absorbing blows, the key being, learning self-mastery through relaxation in the midst of chaos, which most definitely can be applied to all martial arts and life in general. Case in point, a friend of mine was in a minor car accident, and he attributed proper breathing upon impact, for his leaving the scene unscathed. His wife, who did not have this knowledge, was a little more banged up, but not seriously.Ever notice how drug addicts, if they even fall to the ground, hardly get banged up? That's because they're very relaxed. The key for any martial artist, is to be able to work this principle in combat.And let me remind you all, combat, especially with an increasingly "de-balling" (for men) culture, comes at a price, in court, so at the very least, we have to become cool and not so quick to "rumble".
Thanks for the reflection. I appreciate all sorts of feedback and wish you well in your training.
Thanks for the feedback and your perspective George. I enjoy learning and teaching all sorts of material. Systema, for me, has been more of an internal and conceptual development. I don't know a ton about the history of it or proscribe to all aspects of it wholesale. I know what I've personally experienced and how I've changed as a martial artist because of experiencing Systema; that's all I can attest to.
done systema for years it's great all about been relaxed orsorb the hits and keep moving the teacher is showing the concept don't stop the punch push etc go with it and use the momentum to come back great stuff
Thanks, sir. I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment. I was still a little stiff and relatively new at all this when I was doing this seminar. I've come a long way since then, but still have sooo far to go :) Cheers!
I also follow Kevin Secours and enjoy his practicality and ability to teach. He's probably one of the better instructors (of anything) I've heard. Martin and Vlad move very well, but Kevin breaks it down and knows the fundamentals of teaching well. He's in a different camp now after breaking away to make his own International Combat Systema organization. I'm not into the politics, but enjoy what he has taught me as well.
Excellent example of relax strikes in Systema and how ur body should be , enjoyed it and also been hit in class like this
Thanks for posting, enjoyed watching the demonstration.
Glad you enjoyed it! It was a fun seminar. Let me know if I can post on other topics.
this wave principle is also used in boxing strikes but absorbing the force is not always good , for example when you defend a body shot you must resist the impact because in this way you are in a better position to strike , in this case to counter with a uppercut
Very true. This is A tool but certainly not EVERY tool. Thanks for sharing!
I like how you're trying to break it down with a much more simple explanation but the other side of Systema's punch is how economical it is, in exaggerating and sensitivity drills, we should work with the follow through effects of the punches on our bodies but to prepare us for actual combat, we must always learn when to rotate our joints to allow a "glove-catching" type of reaction from our own body...it's a trickle down, if we rotate before the punch lands, we tend to over think and show hesitation, if we do it only upon impact, we suffer feeling a rhythm breaking strike from the opponent who might jab twice or three times- during the first wave we are working on and it disrupts the flow of the kinetic energy through the body and stagnates it on the affected area, hurting our chances to effectively breathe out the pain...
What I usually do is mix both concepts up and make them work to an "evolving goal" during my combative moments. I may take a first hit or react to it as if I'm hit after allowing him to come close to the "moment of pride" (When you see his strike and psyche relax from tension when it clicks in his head that the strike will land successfully) and as you know, in Systema...we take away that moment at the last second with one forward rotation or wave-like reaction to the stimulus of where the strike could be coming from, opening them up as a bridge to their own bodies because an arm extended and hitting nothing is nothing more than a bridge back to it's source uninterrupted. If his recoil is too fast, we are borrowing his recoil time as he pulls his hand back to enter using the same path he is using to recoil to bypass trying to reach him before he can attack again and simply change the direction of our strike as soon as we see it's close to a target (upper chest, neck, jaw, face, etc). I call this type of movement concept as "Riding", we ride their punches on whatever tempo they can give us.
I absorb punches I could not stop but I make it a point not to keep my own body in the same area after it's hit, this is effectively done by the feet...as we learn the free mobility and egg movement drills we do in Systema, after I take a hit, I curl around that attacking arm as best I could to enter his 45 degrees so I "ride" on that moment or I simply "Climb the links" (A movement I do where I attack each of his joints climbing towards the source from every angle I could to destroy his attacking limb and making it too damaged to use again. So example, if he lands a successful punch, I"ll throw in an uppercut to his forearm from 45 degrees, land a systema punch to his bicep, throw that arm over and hit the tricep and deltoid then probably while it's limp, yank it toward my direction and post a fist for their face to run into) The possibilities of striking, movement and bio-mechanics are endless with the wave movement of Systema and it's psycholgocial pathways to connect the strikes to nothing more than easy to execute concepts for the mind to create their own answers.
I can go on and on in this but as you already know, Systema is not a martial art perse but rather a very good foundation of physical, mental, psychological and for others, spiritual context and understanding so you can evolve it and yourself into a more complete person who has no fear physically, mentally and emotionally while working on your own self to better who you are in this world.
Systema was my foundation, it has helped greatly and as it's name states....it's a system...we all will have our own and never identical ones, that's the beauty of it.
Thanks for sharing! This video sure feels like ancient history to me now...just the beginning. I've learned a lot and see how much more there is to learn...we can always shave off more "unnecessary!"
A good supplementing art to Systema would be Silat, Kali and even Wrestling arts and grappling arts. For Kali, there are many types...even Panuntukan, its empty-hand form, and in Silat, I would suggest Maul Mornie.
Thank you. I have worked some Damithurt Silat from Mike Janich and a fair amount FMA with Guru Julius Melegrito so far and have enjoyed them very much. I work BJJ and military combatives often for additional grappling, but my main vehicle for coalescing all this and teaching is Combat Hapkido with a strong Slavic flavor.
I respect that, I'm more attached to blade and combatives culture. I have a very old video of some of my work when I was younger. If it's would be okay with you to put up this link for you to check. Sadly, RUclips kinda removed sending messages...
If you would like to check me out no Instagram, that's cool. I'm @primemartialoman
My old video is this: ruclips.net/video/PDdGBcXK0BU/видео.html
Hope we could connect so we could share knowledge even if just on Insta. hahaha.
Yes, that was me getting slapped in 2011 :) His Master's Classes are exceptional. He doesn't explain things as well as some instructors I've worked with, but Martin is very good about slowly progressing through developmental and fundamental blocks of "successes" to make you "ninja" yourself into doing something you didn't know you could do. I've learned a lot from him. He came to visit here in Korea just last month for a movie shoot that I got to help with. Pretty cool.
My teacher is called perten has excellent clips we all sing from the same choir sheet trained for 3 yrs at his class all the top guys came over too very very good good luck
Big fan of what systema represents. I like the way it flows like air or water, but his like a rock. Not sure where to start, but I want to make systema my base. And branch of into other martial arts from there.
Quick question. I have no money, and I have no friends interested in learning self defense. What are some basic things/movements I can do to get started?
oh wow! thats cool that you were able to train with those instructors. actual i believe i saw you in one of martin wheelers videos. (you were on the ground and he was hitting your body, i believe a breathing and pain controll drill). But thank you for responding, please keep up the good videos, i really enjoy them.
They are all good instructors, and we can all learn a lot from each instructor. they all have something to give. and it also seems like each instructor has his "thing" he likes to teach on. For example instructor kamorov does a lot of fear control. But I do like the pressure testing kevin secours does. He is a very good instructor. Although I wish he was more involved with all the other systema instructors as well. It would be cool. haha
Be like water my friend.. I always like systema. Got to find me a class or order a dvd. Who do you recommend? Right now im studying WSL Ving Tsun.
I have studied on my own for a long time. Do you ever come to baton Rouge or new orleans louisiana. I'd like the opportunity to meet and train with you
James David James, thanks for taking the time for a comment and your interest! I'm currently in South Korea, but travel often. I can hook you up with some great Combat Hapkido, Systema, and Martial Blade Concepts folks in the States and encourage you if you want :) I can also connect with you for private lessons in the near future if our locations coincide.
Absolutely that sounds great you can email me at jamesdavidwarfel@gmail.com.
+James David James, I just returned to the States after a very long tour in South Korea. I'm now based out of Colorado Springs and offer private and small group seminars in the area. for military, civilian, and LEO personnel.
Good to hear you returned safely. Do you have a website?
I sure do. www.LockesDefense.com.
Thanks for the feedback! Please let me know if you have any questions or are interested in seeing any other content for future development.
Very good video, I like systema however I'v never learned yet. How do you use defense on face?
+Gergő Dávid Orbán Thanks for taking the time to view and comment. I'm a beginner in Systema, though it's not my first martial art. I've experimented with it for about 5 or 6 years and taken a few Master's Courses with Martin Wheeler and viewed and applied concepts from the plethora of media from many instructors like Vladimir Vasiliev, Kwan Lee, Mikhail Ryabko, Kevin Secours, and several other very skilled instructors. I'm not sure I understand your question, though. Are you asking how to defend against an attack to your head? In Systema , we don't have techniques per se. There are ideas about movement, balance, posture, breathing, relaxation, etc. The way that is most efficient without building fear while making the attacker feel that they succeeded in the midst of failure would be best :)
+Thomas Locke Yes I was asking that, sorry for my bad English. I saw a lot systema videos at RUclips, many from instructors you mentioned, and just several one show how to defend attacks that come to the head. Thanks for your answer and keep it up!
I see, Mr. Orban. In this video, the assumption is not that many attacks would be to the body, but a drill to help teach compartmentalized relaxation, flow, and sensitivity to energy. I feel that if you start with core movement concepts, your appendages, which area attached to that core, will also move appropriately when they intercept and combine with any type of attack. What if you are struck in the head before arms can intercept? What if you only deflect with your shoulder? What if you get a chance to have your hands up? Body movement is the same and energy is the same, in my opinion.
hey Thomas. where or who taught you systema? or introduced you to systema? It seems like teaching hapkido then teaching systema is kinda strange. Considering hapkido and systema are quite different, from at least what I have seen from hapkido and documentaries of hapkido. Although your hapkido is very different from a lot of other hapkido ive seen. Just a question. By the way, I am a big systema guy. haha
What no flying armbars or hurricanranas? No but seriously, though it is better to avoid, deflect or, absorb a strike; redirecting the energy of a strike can work. Chi Sao is a good exercise for developing this.
+evil5150 Spot on! Nope. Nothing fancy :) A lot of excellent internal and soft arts have centered on some excellent truth. A lot of people see some of the striking and absorption work and incorrectly see it as a just taking punches.
+evil5150 the only way to win a fight... is to use a potato.
+Simply Joe Not sure I follow how a potato would help, but I suppose anything you an get your hands on might be used as a projectile or force multiplier :)
Both. Getting some ideas to play with from a video is great, but I've come to understand that so much of the subtlety can only be picked up in a class or seminar setting. Find good instructors. Find good students to work with. Try new things all the time :)
Amazing, combat hapkido crossed systems Spetsnaz.
+Eliseo Cinco III I'm centered most of my study with Combat Systema (Kevin Secours) and Russian Martial Art Systema (Vladimir Vasiliev and Martin Wheeler). It all comes from much older traditional Cossack fighting methods, or so I've been told. I love how it has helped me discover more of my primary art of Hapkido. It has helped me work into other arts more easily, too, like Ninjutsu and Filipino Martial Arts.
+Thomas Locke Great Martial arts, doing Systema Spetsnaz and learning a whole lot of styles is amazing.
Systema uk is where he teaches worth a look
I see a lot of "Combat Tai Chi" principles in Systema. I think Systema borrows from many effective styles. But while in principle this appears to make sense...why not take it into what most would consider the most real proving ground short of a street fight where anything goes? A MMA ring. I would like to see Systema in a full-contact situation. Not to discredit the art but simply for curiosity sake. To see how effective it truly is when a Systema practitioner is being attacked by some one from another art (s) wanting to KO the Systema fighter.
Vlad etc you can see him on here too
Xiao lee ?
Haha! I'm sure if I was an anime character, I could have super powers.
i AM JAHN'S RELAXED BOWL OF JELL-O
you ca tell he is still learning and still don't know what's going on
Thanks for the feedback. Always more to learn. This was about 6 years ago, but I can tell you that you are never done learning. Any pointers you may have from your experience?
why military clothes?
I'm in the US military. I had some older fatigues that are pretty durable that I wore at this seminar.
It struck me as very likely as you began talking... Sorry. My remark was placed to soon.
No worries! I don't believe in silly questions! Thank you for watching and contributing to the dialogue. Let me know how I can help. I wish you well and hope your training is going well. Blessings.
Thomas Locke I figured you were in the military I just kept wondering why the older camo style now I know
Sorry I like girls.lol
Man he´s not that good at explaining :P sounds like he doesn´t know half of it :P
Thanks for the feedback, Ralph. What do you suggest I improve on most?
Thomas Locke Feels like times, some explanations could be more..less, know what I mean? at times it felt like there was more than enough of explaining. But It think what you could do more of is asking the "audience" questions, that way they need to be focused on what you show them and if they answer it probably means they are. Just an idea..Other than that nice job, A+ ;P.
Thanks for the feedback, Ralph, though your initial post was rather rude. I know it's easy to do that online. I'm always seeking to grow as a student and instructor. This was several years ago and I've gained insight from working with a lot of great students and instructors over the years. If you are one of those, I welcome your feedback.