Could Free Will Actually Exist? | The Stanley Parable Science Deconstructed
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"Even if free will is a myth, that's still not an excuse to stop trying."
- Me, just now.
I had an interesting experience that really affected how I view this. It was a concussion which gave me amnesia, not the kind where you forget things that already happened, but where the damaged brain tissue prevents you from developing new memories. This only lasted for a day, and I can't remember anything from the day it happened except what my friends and family told me. And guess what? I repeated the same actions over and over again. I sent texts that went like "my head hurts." "I'm confused" "my head hurts" on loop. When I was being taken to the hospital I would pull out my wallet, look through it, and put it back in my pocket, and not remembering that I had already done it I would look through my wallet again, and again, to the point where it annoyed my parents. In the ER waiting room would I asked my mom "is it okay if I step outside for a bit?" only to come back inside, sit down, look at her and ask the same question again. That night I would kept getting out of bed, and asking my brother "what happened last night" before he explained that I hit my head and told me I hit my head and to just go back to sleep, until he was annoyed with me waking him up and would just yell at me as soon as I went into his room. So when I work up the next morning, finally being able to create new memories, I did the same exact thing, walking to my brother's room and asking him "what happened last night" only to be yelled at again and not knowing why he was so annoyed.
So when I was in the same situation and couldn't remember what I had done I would make the same decisions and take the same actions every single time. It sure didn't feel like I had free will.
This is one of the best games I've ever played. Never thought standing in a broom closet would make me laugh so hard...
That ending was my favorite!
@@IceGoddessRukia I hope your friends find this concerning...
two things struck me as i watched this:
one, you mentioned how we are predisposed to react a certain way and then convince ourselves that we meant to do that all along. this reminds me of the alien limb phenomenon of people whose brain hemispheres do not communicate appropriately. the left and right hands operate independently, but (as far as my understanding goes) only one side is controlled by the part of the brain that handles speech. so in experiments with half-body-only stimuli prompt the non-language-side limb to pick something up, the language side of the brain won't know why (as it was unable to see the prompt) and will instead create a reason on the spot to explain why that item was picked up. the language side of the brain believes this is the actual reason why the item was grabbed, and it seems like a spontaneous, free will choice. perhaps this is what we are doing in reaction to our preprogrammed choices. we make a choice and immediately explain it away in a manner that our brain believes to be the true reason, due to an absence of the knowledge of why we actually made that choice.
two, i don't think you went far enough back as far as including possible roots of our deterministic choices. determinism is characterized by a closed system, with rigid laws on how things behave with each other, and a specific initial condition. if the rules of interaction are the same and the initial condition is the same, the same result will occur every time, if there is no outside influence to the system. with this in mind, doesn't our understanding of the laws of physics suggest that these physical laws are rigid? and don't we posit that the universe had a beginning in the form of the big bang? if the moment before the big bang counts as a specific initial condition, and the laws of physics are rigid, doesn't this mean the universe is a deterministic system? if we take the entire universe to be its own closed system, then all the 'random' factors contained within it are simply aspects of physical interactions within the system, dictated by the laws of physics. so if the universe is deterministic, everything we do is the result of interactions that have been set up to happen exactly that way every time. in a duplicate universe with the same laws and the same big bang conditions, there would be an exactly identical you who would make an exactly identical decision based on a universal-scale preparation for that moment. free will would therefore be an illusion, since you don't actually have a choice, even if it feels like a decision you're making in the moment. it is true you are making a decision, but the decision is the only (and predictably chosen) outcome of that situation. in a way, it is limiting knowing that your decisions are an illusion and that ultimately you are a tiny cog in a universal machine that behaves exactly the way it will always behave. but on the other hand, you are the result of billions and billions of years of preparation. everything in the universe has set up perfectly, and resulted in you being able to be here and make the choice you're faced with. so it is not just a trivial meaningless 'decision', but also the most important moment in the universe. how lovely :)
flamshiz Well damn! I can’t believe I took the time out of my day to read this
Worth it tho
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bingo
"And finally, if you begin to wonder if your choices are actually meaningful and whether you'll ever make a significant contribution to the world, just remember that in the vast infiniteness of space, your thoughts and problems are materially insignificant, and the feeling should subside."
The broom closet ending was my favorite!
rip, I clicked the like button right when it was told, I'm a drone, kill my existence please.
Spike Maan where you live? Maybe I can send some guys.
SOOOOOMMEEEEE WWWWWWHHHHHEEEEERRRRREEEEE OOOOOVVVVVVVEEEEEERRRRR THE RAAAAAAIIIIIIIINNNNNNBBBBBOOOOOOWWWWWWW
sheep
Spike Maan I did too
*Takes a sword and slices the head
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.......but he said...he said.... TO KILL HIM AND I KILLED.................. NOW I AM A DRO.... DRO... DRONE.
*kills himself and don't mourn for Me.
Maybe Pinocchio was wrong, and he does have strings.
How bout i liked the vid so i clicked like??
Malzhar Dizon When I thought about it deeply I realised I was going to click like anyway. I click like on all the videos I watch.
Fair enough.
Malzhar Dizon i neither clicked like or dislike, it's a meaningless button, so if i click nothing will happen
chrystian4 it's something... nor*
chrystian4 Everything you like gets added to a playlist and helps the creator.
I absolutely love the Stanley Parable! It's sooooo cool how there are so many endings!
+Play Noggin - An episode on the technological possibilities (ex. - nanotechnology, Metal Gear production, high-powered exo-suits) within in the Metal Gear series would be appreciated!
Im still waiting for "If suit like warframe can exist"
"Suits"
Creeper 90 **Infested puppets in armor...*
Play the quests.
Creeper 90 a Warframe isn't a suit...
Well i did play The Second Dream and The War Within. I forgoten what they were called when quit warframe.
Creeper 90 I
you forgot one little thing. i find interesting to note that, if you don't listen to the narrator, you never deactivate the mind control facility, thus making you stay a puppet. if you do listen to the narrator, at the end, he will say something like "stanley was free to do what he wanted, because he was no longer controlled by this", but in that case, you follow the narraotr's order right? i interpret it as whatever you do, something will control stanley, either the narrator or the mind control thing.
3:17 O.O the one I had picked turned red.
Since all particles in the universe follow the laws of physics wouldn't that make it possible, if you had the computing power and information of all particles to predict the entire future of the universe? Including the actions of all humans.
Alexander Ekrot I guess someone has access to that mainframe somewhere
The laws of quantum mechanics are probabilistic - if you know the wavefunction of a particle you can calculate the probability of it being in a certain location, but you can't predict its future trajectory exactly. So therefore I'd say you can ultimately only predict the probability of humans doing actions, not their exact future.
knowing the future, does not mean you no have free will. just in sense that you might know how your friend will behave in a situation, but that doesn't mean he no longer has free will.
Noobish I disagree. It's still your friends decision to make. It's still his free will. Your knowing that does not affect his decision.
people used to think that a century ago. But then along came quantum physics and chaos theory and put physics upside down. At this point there is no telling what will happen
Thought it said "Free wifi" and I was like holy shit have we already come this far
Did you guys hear about the broom closet ending? The broom closet ending is my favorite ending.
I'm glad you covered one of my favourite topics. :)
We talked about that exact same topic in ethics class, 2 years ago.
We had an example which stated that if you were told to jump out of a window, would you actually have your own free will to do so, even if it might get you seriously injured or killed? Do we still have our own will despite the consequences? Wouldn't it mean that this actually prevents us from having a 100% completely free will?
From the philosophical standpoint, one good argument that I have heard that would lend to the idea that humans have free will is the fact that we can compare real-life events to abstract ideas and concepts. As concepts have no material relation to existing matter, the fact that we can make choices based on concepts circumvents the "environmental stimulus" (as this show calls it).
Oh yes, the Broom Closet ending is my favourite!
I clicked the like button because I'm under the impression that it helps content producers and believe that I (rather than just you) am a nice guy.
This makes me philanthropic in a way, which gives a pleasing sensation.
If it were more rewarding to do otherwise, that is likely the route which would have been taken.
There is always a factor of true "randomness" though. Uncertainties on a quantum level allow for truly random decisions, completely indifferent of genes and conditioning.
Nice video man! Keep going!
I didn't even know people were making Stanely Parable videos anymore, but im glad!
Did you get the broom closet ending? The broom closet ending is my faverite XD
... my friends find this concerning
0:50 Thank you for calling me charming, it's greatly appreciated
So for those of you who are still confused about determinism, I'll re-explain the basic concept. Determinism is the idea that the decision we make when presented with a choice is decided by various factors, such as personality and mood. So long as those factors remain the same the choice made should remain the same, since that's how cause and effect works. Hence it should only be possible for the factors of a particular scenario to result in ONE choice- for a different choice to be made the factors would have the be different. So while theoretically there are many choices, the factors causing your behaviour could only ever result in one 'choice' being made.
I was so surprised when the dot I picked at 3:40 was the one that went red XD
this is every existentialist's nightmare
Okay I’m going to argue free will exist to the best of my ability by tackling the reasons it is believed to not exist.
1. determinism. Not everything is determined. If it is that would mean that everything is caused by a past reaction that could only lead to a finite number of solutions. For instance if i drink a bunch of water and in thirty minuets i have the urge to take a piss, i now have a few scenarios but lets just stick with two. A i go pee right when i feel the urge or B i wait till later to pee. Now the reaction of drinking water determined that i would eventually be presented with these two options but the decision i choose to make is not . And it is also not random or decided by a bunch of chemicals and i will explain why it isnt later . So now we are left with the idea that if i make a decision that either one i choose dosent matter because it will determine the next outcome until i eventually die meaning i have no free will. Well that would be true if time was finite but it isnt it had no beginning nor end and due to that there are a infinite number of possibilities that i can take regarding the path i choose . Which give plenty of room for free will.
2.Consciousness. It isnt even proven where it comes from but only that it shares a relationship with the brain. One the scientific method states if you cant prove something throw it away or keep working until you can prove it correct . Not “ hey i cant prove this but im going to use it anyways to string together a theory and call it fact.” For all we know the consciousness could control the brain and the atoms in our body from another dimension that dosent abide by the laws of nature.
Anyways wether it is true or not that we have free will i dont feel that it is very scientific to assume things and then say it is fact 💗👋🏻
I've read that some scientists had calculated that on average we only make 4% of our decisions on our own everyday, and when you think about it it is actually pretty logical, if we had to make every single decision on our own it would take way to long to actually get thing done
propagations of chaos theory and the probability spaces of particles such as electrons imply that at its heart the universe is completely random and instead can be reduced to probabilistic outcomes.
So free will, in effect, is a subsequent consequence of that as it is impossible to completely know and predict every aspect & outcome of a system as in the case of schrodinger's equations
I believe that we have probablities, like a calm person is unlikeley to lose his shit but he can, and sometimes it happens. You can predict someone's moves but you can never be 100% certain
3:24 I've chosen the upper one in the middle^^
Probably the best book on the subject that I have ever read is Jonathan Edwards' "The Freedom of the Will" shortly followed by Martin Luther's "The Bondage of the Will."
Just to paraphrase a very small portion, Edwards observes: "We are “free” to do what we want to do, but we are bound in what we want to do by our evil nature and desires (Romans 8:7). We may do as we please, but we cannot please as we please. We cannot use our will to shape our nature, but rather, it is our nature that determines how we will use our wills."
In another great book, "The Sovereignty of God," A.W. Pink notes:
“God’s decrees are not the necessitating cause of the sins of men, but the fore determined and prescribed bounding and directing of men’s sinful acts. God does not take up a good man, instill an evil desire into his heart, and thereby force him to perform the terrible deed in order to execute His decree. Instead, God decreed the act, and then selected the one who was to perform the act, but He did not “make him evil” in order that he should perform the deed. On the contrary, when we look at the life of Judas, the betrayer of Jesus, he was “a devil” at the time the Lord Jesus chose him as one of the twelve. (John 6:70) And in the manifestation and exercise of his own devilry, God simply directed Judas’ actions - actions that were perfectly agreeable to his own vile heart, and performed with the most wicked of intentions. By this way, man is still accountable to God for his sins.”
*I just discovered this brilliant game, thanks **#playNoggin* !
But does Stanley have free will? Or is he also controlled without knowing it, by the player.
1:50 "Yeah you stick to the man!" ahahahha
it's really cool. do you think you can take the length of video to around 10 minutes, and go even deep into stuff, because that would be really good
Omg I choe the circle that he highlited at 3:40
I love these videos :D made my day :D
It's highly likely that you don't have free will, I do have free will.
The idea of free will is simply just a comforting thought.
All choices are depend on previous choice but first choice on start of universe must be independent from anything
Hi Julian! (Please read my suggestions)
In honor of the release of Nintendo Switch, make a video about a Nintendo game.
Example #1 - An episode on Pokeballs.
Example #2 - An episode on the Moon in Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask.
Example #3 - Could MegaMan really exist?
i'd like to see the Pokeball thing looked into,
the Game Theory one for the moon actually works fine,
and i mean, MegaMan could probably exist, in the future. Not really sure.
I just thought of another one...
Example #4 - How much can Kirby eat? What are the limits?
This channel uses games more as a lead into interesting science than it is about the games them self.
Schrödinger's Cat he will and at the same time won't until you watch it
MegaMan isn't even a Nintendo franchise (just saying)
Came for the answers, left with the questions.
When he got to the whole like thing, I contimplated it for a moment. But then he said "Or would you like the video because I asked nicely?" I was like "Eh...Good point." and liked the video.
Ask nicely and thou shall recieve.
Ok I actually chose the circle that turned red afterwards... So creepy o.o
Well, I have heard some scientific arguments regarding quantum phyiscs that say one subatomic particle or another acts in a truly random manner, that is impossible to predict as it follows no set pattern, of that is true I could see that lending to the idea that the motion of every particle in the unvierse is not predetermined, but based on random movements of particles at a smaller level. Of course, I am an amateur at this subject and am more of a philosopher, not a physical scientist, so I may be analyzing what all this info means incorrectly.
Whats the background music ?
whats the Song name in the background??
What's the music in this video?
there is no acctual way to know weather or not we are "pre-programed" or not...
What's the background's music?
I got real freaked out because the circle I chose turned red
i believe in determinism but its such a complex system of how the whole observable universe interact with itself that illusion of free will is very well sustainable
I think whether we have free will or not is irrelevant because it is impossible to predict the future. In order to predict the future, you have to know the state of literally everything in the universe, including the state of yourself. This is a paradox, because your state depends on your state, and trying to figure it out changes the outcome. Think of it like a computer trying to read it's own memory; when it tries to read it, it immediately changes the contents of it's memory and alters the result.
could you do an episode on non euclidian geometry?
Sometimes I like to think that we do have free will but there are multiple universes where in each one, one outcome comes out. Until there are enough multiverse to have every possible outcome so technically everything you did, didn't do, never considered, or even thought had happened in a different timeline. Sometimes I like to think that all of my bad actions never happened in one of the multiverses and that somewhere I'm guilt free... *sigh* I went to deep there for a moment
The way I see it is your personality is like an equation, and your brain calculates what you should do depending on the situation.
Is it just me, or does his voice sound familiar? Is it THE Julian from DNews/Seeker?
The way to win The Stanley Parable, sadly, is to do exactly what the narrator tells you to, otherwise you inevitably lose.
What's your music u guys use
You are fucking with my mind. How did you make the one I picked the one that turned red?
Perhaps we have free will, perhaps we don't. But here is an argument to consider. I am considering what to eat for breakfast. Waffles or Crackers. I might be cold and would like a hot waffle, so I choose waffles. But if you do that over again with all the variables exactly the same, would you choose waffles again? This argument is what determines if you have free will. If you choose the waffles, then you don't have free will, your merely reacting to factors that influence your "choice". If you choose the crackers then you made a decision which is different, although the factors are the same, which means there is obviously another factor at play, free will, that wasn't the same.
There is a some element of randomness and some elements of repeated behavior. There are people with anterograde amnesia that great there loved ones the same everyday.
Found this video in my suggestions, thought "oh has lockstin/gnoggin a new gaming channel?"
nope, just someone with a very similar name
oh well, still interesting.
In my (popular) opinion, we need determinism in order to have free will. If your actions are not completely affected by reasons, they can not really be your choice, but must be random.
So I believe that, depending on the true nature of quantum physics, either everything is determined and we have free will, or everything is random and so is what we happen to think.
Whats it called if I like the video right away because I knew u were going to ramble for a bit about doing it or not?
Fun fact: The Stanley Parable began as a mod for Half-Life 2.
It is now basically a Portal 2 mod.
Did you get the Broom Closet ending? *THE BROOM CLOSET ENDING WAS MY FAVORITE*
We did not have a choice when born so there is no free will. Sperm follows a program; my question is when does that program become aware of its existence?
Could you do a video on human augmentation like in Deux ex machina?
there is no free well, we simply can't "decide" to fall in love with a frog.
The life is like a restaurant were you are the one who eat and you have to choose what you want to eat and were you want to eat but you aren't completely free because you end choosing the same foods every day and whatever you choose they win. So a little freedom but not so much we need.
Is like smoking you say you do it because you want to do it but you do it because you need it because you are dependent. You don't see other way to do it but there's other way to do it, the only reason you don't choose the other way is because the other way is harder.
(That's just my opinion about free will)
I also like your video and your opinion
Infallible explanation of why we have no free will:
Objectively, we know that everything we are consciously aware of
(our intentions, our impulses, our decisions, etc)
is preceded by events in our nervous system in which we aren't aware.
The state of the brain in this sense is the product of variables we're not responsible for.
We didn't pick our parents,
we didn't pick our genes,
we didn't pick our environment,
we didn't pick our environment's effect on the sculpting of our brain,
we didn't pick the number of neurons and synapses in our brain.
We didn't create our neurophysiology - yet our neurophysiology is going to give rise to every next thought and intention that shows up for us.
- Sam Harris
That's a good thing though.
This understanding offers a scientific foundation for empathy.
None of us are truly responsible for our own actions.
So judge not lest ye be judged.
Shit... I can't fault this logic.
Infallible - incapable of making mistakes or being wrong.
You have the free will to put faith in Sam Harris being correct.
I assume, you felt the need to watch this video and think of Sam Harris.
You didn't bother to challenge your neurophysiology by thinking differently to create a new thought,
You just rely on what was already there.
Neurophysiology is created from learning, we all choose what we learn and continue doing.
KSUGUI
Well, I don't know about the process of babies learning or how the mind is being formed at that age.. I do know from personal experience at a later age (around 8years old) I continuously stole from others despite my parents disciplining and teaching me not too. I don't recall anyone teaching me the action of stealing nor my parents being like this, I might have just stumbled upon thievery and experienced the thrill on being sneaky. I was rewarded from the action of theft by enjoying the item after the act. This pushed me to continue improving the skill (if you would call it one) as I wanted to avoid the experience of getting caught which would lead to discipline.
There are times I would take items then put them back in place once I evaluated the risks were too high. If the environment and biology produce your actions, I think it makes more sense for my youthful self to simply not steal and be rewarded for what society tolerates ( like I do now). I think I had a preference of stealing, but still chose when I did or didn't perform the act.
I remember the last time I stole a few years ago (maybe 3ish+). I believe, I no longer continue because I exercised control over my actions once I was given a new motivation to stop. The motivation? "Thou shall not steal", which I had heard sense I was a child.. I just decided to start taking it seriously as my motivation changed.
Why do identical twins raised in the same environment have drastically different personalities?
KSUGUI
Yes, I wanted an answer and thank you for giving me one. Your response makes sense.
I could be wrong, my version of free will is as follows:
The human experience is the complex amazing combination of a network and hormones. Self awareness is an end result of these two things. Both the network shape AND type of hormones (plus amount of hormons) effect self awareness, HOWEVER your self awareness doubles back and effects the network shape and hormones..
For example, a network and hormone combination could make one prone to annoyance. If the individual is motivated for change, they can make it a mission to try and calm themselves down when reacting to a frustrating event. Brains don't change immediately, just like it takes time to learn a new language. If an individual repeatedly practices patience as a response to frustration, a new network shape will form. I think network shape creates 'habits', things likely to happen but can consciously be changed in the moment.
The aspect I'm getting at is I think 'free will' is the individual's self interest in producing change to the physical model of the brain. We have the ability to 'will' change in the shape and chemistry of our brains AND everyone is 'free' to do this. If someone is motivated enough, the very vessel they exist in can change to the user's interest.. Being positive or negative as a result of the user's motivation. Some say depression is cured by antidepressants.. I put more power in the individual and believe with enough time, motivation AND action from the individual: a brain prone to habits of depression could be changed into a brain of a different shape with a result of life satisfaction habits.
To summarize, the Brain effects your Mind AND your Mind effects your Brain. I view free will is displayed in how one choose to use their mind.
It doesn't really matter either way, determinism although leads you on a set path, it's a path you are "willing" to choose, or we wouldn't have this debate in the first place
"**blah blah something about stanely yadda uhh**"
me: um okay
the video: "-and approaches two doors, a charming British narrator-"
me: *_YEAÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ_*-
I believe that we have both, and that we have a little free will but it is limited, I think it must be a balance there to it.
Us determinists can't disprove free will because free will is undefined.
hi you help me a lot in video games
awww I tough that I found a theory but I found someone that already knowing this.
holy shit the circles one i choose the one in the red and he picked that one
What if you make another video about Crysis ? i would for to see it :)
Its reverse psychology. If he tells me not to press a bottom triggering a nuclear explosion, of course I'm going to do it.
If there is an error in my thinking, please tell me; I'm sincerely trying to figure this out.
I define free will as the ability to chose EITHER of two or more options. This is not an extraordinary claim, so should not require extraordinary evidence. I choose a green shirt today; I choose a blue shirt tomorrow. I feel like I have free will.
The objections I have heard to free will usually take one of three forms.
1) I don't chose the circumstances of my birth, nationality, genetics, etc. So what? I am not claiming omnipotence, or to be able to change my past. Here I am, and I chose which way to go from here.
2) The brain scan type experiments show that we are not aware when the decision is made. First, speaking is a more complicated path than moving your arm, so maybe the decision was made significantly before the command to vocalize could reach the mouth? Secondly, so what? My arm jerks away from an over burner before I'm aware I'm touching it. Does my delayed perception mean the pain wasn't real?
3) All my decisions are influenced, often by things I am unaware of. So what? If there were no influences, I would never be able to make any decisions, because all options would have equal weight.
Have I missed something? Have I dismissed something that should not have been dismissed?
*the sight of the Stanley parable fills you with determination
Whats that music? :D
what is this gane called?
The circle I chose went red!
In 2020 I'm getting that "Go Outside" achievement...
the white circle i chose turned red. cool.
Your ending in 1:09 is the Confusion Ending.
By the way, check out the SciShow Philosophy episodes about free will and determinism. :) So interesting!
Free will exists within the frame of reference of our universe. It exists from the inside but doesn't from the outside.
0:40 WRONG he is not a bored office worker as the narrator describes he actually loves his job
Stanley walked through the *red* door.
Did you get the Broom Closet ending?
I strongly agree with this idea, just not the way I feel it has been presented. Every single little molecule has a pre-determined path. And why is that?
I've explained my view on this others as well, calling it an Anit-Butterfly Effect. Sure, the butterfly's wing flap caused a tornado, but maybe the chain reaction leading to cause that event have to change, to the point of paradoxes. That is the reason also why I don't believe in parallel universes.
I've had several existential crises while considering this, but it is actually pretty interesting and logical in the end, showing several theories.
The title sounds like the inspiration for Black Mirror: Bandersnatch
Nice articulation of compatiblism.