Dunno If I would go that far - and at the end of the day these projects are mainly about not having to spend even more to increase road and air capacity through some of the worst bottlenecks around the state, which is what would need to be done If there was no CAHSR.
Japan, build their high-speed rail starting in 1964 and now it’s over 1800 miles of rail. I wonder if Walt Disney really thought the monorail was the future
It too was over budget at the time of it build. Look it up. Nothing massive happens without its controversies. Even the US highway system which people constantly over look. BTW, which is far, far more than 1800 miles.
It doesn’t really matter whether it is the future or not. The fact is we have a vision of monorails looking really futuristic and the Disney parks take advantage of that despite the downs.
Two different agencies, buddy! CAHSR already got funding , so they’ll likely have to finish the central CA segments, before they can get more. Transbay authority is in charge of this SF Portal project
@@jbentajado90 which just goes to Show how stupid the staging of CAHSR is. They could have instead begun by bringing the SF-SJ-Gilroy section up to 110mph or faster with overtaking tracks and fully grade separated from Traffic under wires, and then done the same in LA for Burbank-LA-Annaheim. These 2 Projects would have served Metro area populations of 25 million people, instead of the 3-4million that will be served by the current staging, and would have won support for more funding to scale Up HSR for the expensive difficult connection through the Mountain passes. Instead trying to please people they have a worse Project that serves fewer people taking longer and very difficult to ever finish.
@@BigBlueMan118 you're right, but the system has been beleaguered by politicians and special interests. We probably could have had an SF to LA connection through I-5 by now if we didn't have politicians trying to make engineering decisions
I'm all for CAHSR but maybe the funds would have be better spent at this point making sure the Central Valley section connected to Gilroy. Even an imperfect but unified system linking Bakersfield to the CalTrain corridor should be top priority.
which just goes to Show how stupid the staging of CAHSR is. They could have instead begun by bringing the SF-SJ-Gilroy section up to 110mph or faster with overtaking tracks and fully grade separated from Traffic under wires, and then done the same in LA for Burbank-LA-Annaheim. These 2 Projects would have served Metro area populations of 25 million people, instead of the 3-4million that will be served by the current staging, and would have won support for more funding to scale Up HSR for the expensive difficult connection through the Mountain passes. Instead trying to please people they have a worse Project that serves fewer people taking longer and very difficult to ever finish
I vaguely remember that Union Pacific refused to give permission for the HSR to run on or near its track, meaning that the HSR to Gilroy would need to spend decades in litigation and billions of dollars to buy off Union Pacific. The rich people in the Peninsula also promised to send lawyers to delay things as much as possible. So the government decided to not start on the Northern California section of track since it would be tied up too long in lawsuits, and they wanted to spend the stimulus money as soon as possible to stimulate the economy. In any case, the current priority seems to be Bakersfield to San Jose, but through Modesto, completely bypassing Gilroy.
@@my2iu thats not true, at least I havent seen anything of the sort; the line from San Jose to Gilroy is only single track but CAHSR are still planning to electrify and double track it, then run beyond Gilroy to a new alignment turning east to head inland. CAHSR will be able to bring the line through SJ to SF up to 110mph without removing the level crossings, whilst the section from SJ to Gilroy could potentially be faster with the LXs removed
@@BigBlueMan118 Yes, the official plan is to go through Gilroy. But looking up the old news reports, Union Pacific objected to sharing its right of way with high speed rail back in 2008. I think maybe the CEO was Republican or something or was looking for a big payout, so he objected to sharing the right of way with HSR back then. And that took a few years to figure out. In any case, the final official planned route through Gilroy and the Pacheco pass ends up using way more tunneling and way more cost than expected. So the previous governor extended the HSR to Merced and funded an extension of the Ace train from San Jose to Merced, which makes the Gilroy-Pacheco Pass section a much lower priority now.
Ed Lee and his admin purposely delayed project because he wanted to help his mission bay developer cronies by attempting to swing the tunnel by the new arena. BTW, when this project was EIR cleared 10+ years ago, it was only 1.5-1.9 billion dollars. See what happens when you delay projects, they become more expensive and lor and behold, they're basically going with the EIR cleared alignment that was approved so many years ago lol.
I always want Caltrain Electrifications and California High-Speed Rail in California and I always love Caltrain Electrifications and California High-Speed Rail in California.😮
I'm not really getting why they are so shy to build the tunnel through Pacheco Pass. Actually that's what CAHSR needs. The undergroud station in San Fransisco is nice to have, but if funding is limited then the current station will do for sure. Without a connection from SF to the Valley the whole project is simply a waste of money. And what is more eventually they have to come up with a plan how to get to Los Angeles. If they have no idea, they should team up with Brightline (what they should do anyway imho, because those guys know their sh... how to build on time and on budget) A high-speed line from Bakersfield to Madera only? That would be like building a subway for New York just on Staten Island and leave 8 million New Yorkes with horse carriages
For some reason their seems to be an assumption with projects that construction should not start until all funds are secure. But it’s a terrible way to build as costs go up while waiting. I know with tunneling you can’t just stop halfway, but you can get funds to build an empty tunnel and wait to put the rails in later.
Brightline west has the advantage of having their ROW already acquired in the center of the highway and they are not actually going to either downtowns if I am not mistaken. All this makes building the project multitudes easier. CAHSR is just a much more challenging project.
@@ryanfoster5902 That's true. However, Brightline will build a line through Cahon Pass and that would be an excellent option for CAHSR to join in. Some day, they still can build the route through Santa Clarita. Brightline wants to terminate at Cucamonga; CAHSR could build the rest to LAUPT.
You wouldn't like driving if you had to pay tolls for the full maintenance cost of mile of road you drive on or paid the full, unsubsidized cost of gasoline plus the cost to mitigate climate change.
@@fb39ca4 Actually, we are paying above the cost of gasoline. The government adds taxes onto the gasoline, knowing that people will blame gas companies and not government for increased price. California adds $1.43 to each gallon of gas, and currently legislation points to a future of $2.00 tax per gallon. As for gas subsidies, they are not subsidies; they are tax deductions and tax credits. As for road maintenance, gas tax is supposed to pay for road maintenance. So we already are paying for roads. Unfortunately, a large percentage of gas tax is diverted to projects unrelated to road, like mass transit or rail. This undermines the user-pay/user-benefit principle of a gas tax. If you drive, you should pay for your road, and not someone else's BART ticket.
@@lambertlum1087that governments often shuffle around their finances is definitely an issue at times, but as someone who like usable roads you should be happy about that considering that the total tax revenue of all the gas taxes is about 53 Billion USD while the total road expenditure is at about 206 Billion USD. Meaning that the gas taxes alone wold never cover that. And the since as you said the Gas industry is predominantly aided in tax incentives it is hard to actually pin point how much revenue the governments are actually withholding from collecting but estimates range quite a bit between 10 - 50 billion. Not particularly the singns of a self sufficient mode of transport.
This is a two mile link. The estimate is it will cost $8 BILLION. At $4 billion per mile, it is the most expensive piece of track (in $ per mile) in world history. "More money" just means higher salaries/benefits/pensions for unionized construction workers and unionized civil servants. This is a jobs program -- any transportation that comes from it is incidental to its reason to exist.
The five miles a hour through hundreds of miles including tge bay area will definitely cause a huge conviction upon your true carrers and your true hatred od capitalism and law abd constitution.
Why is this not finished. 7 years 3.4 bulid it. Wow I see curves in this tunnel in SF this means loud screecing rails and slow travels in and out of the super expensive station dream.
In countries like the US, there are tons of regulations, environmental impact clearance, lawsuits and land acquisitions to go through. Its just slower here.
Started this project almost 30 years ago, 11 billion dollars and not a single inch of it is running yet? That’s efficiency…Better numbers than 24 billion in 5 years in homelessness. But Yes let’s keep giving them Money. How do I get my hat into this high speed rail or fighting homelessness?
Brightline between Las Vegas and LA will be up and running before the first phase of California HSR. And Brightlines route hasn't even started construction yet.
More BS. We've been through this before. In five years they'll ask for another 4 billion and won't have much to show for progress. Bring in the Chinese if you want to see this project go to completion.
so now not only are California taxpayers paying the bill, the rest of the country is too? so whats this project up to? $900 Trillion and still no tracks laid?
For a state that always complained about subsidizing other states one would think that it would easily be able to afford this project without out tax money
A Boeing 737 costs under $100 million. For $3.4 billion, 34 737s could have been bought and people could have flown every hour from SF to LA in an hour and a half.
I guess we're gonna conveniently ignore climate change, the millions who live in the central valley, the time it takes to get to the airport and go though TSA, the billions of dollars used to build and maintain aircraft infrastructure, and reality.
They could also deal with security lines, flight delays, and idiots acting like children on every flight. Fly if you want, but let everyone else have a choice.
Silicon Valley is dead, San Francisco is dead, Los Angeles/hollywood is currently in hospice care, why is is this needed? People and businesses are leaving California in droves…
I hear San Fransisco is a dump now. Doesn’t sound like anyone would like to go. If anyone out there lives there I would love to hear if this is fact or fiction?
I live in north bay area. Every person i knew that lived in the city hated themselves and the city, and didnt stay longer than 9 months. These politicans just want a construction job just so they can skimm money off the top. They deserve to "get a giant birthday cake" ;))))
@@enaibee1661 people just like to hype up public safety concerns because they are ideologically opposed to any kind of shared space or public resource. They are intolerant but they want to act like that is necessary for their own safety instead of just acknowledging that they are probably just bigots.
@@kim.jong.skillz The reference to train to nowhere comes from the high speed rail link of Merced to Bakersfield. The high speed train starts at nowhere and goes to nowhere, with not enough ridership to operate profitably. They plan to open the rail link in 2026.
god took america long enough to realize its horrible mistakes in praising the automobile.
Dunno If I would go that far - and at the end of the day these projects are mainly about not having to spend even more to increase road and air capacity through some of the worst bottlenecks around the state, which is what would need to be done If there was no CAHSR.
We demand high speed rail!
Japan, build their high-speed rail starting in 1964 and now it’s over 1800 miles of rail. I wonder if Walt Disney really thought the monorail was the future
It too was over budget at the time of it build. Look it up. Nothing massive happens without its controversies. Even the US highway system which people constantly over look. BTW, which is far, far more than 1800 miles.
What are you talking about?! Don't you know there are NO miles in Japan?!
It doesn’t really matter whether it is the future or not. The fact is we have a vision of monorails looking really futuristic and the Disney parks take advantage of that despite the downs.
@@dicdicd1767Japan does have monorails, but those are not heavily traveled. And rightfully so. It just doesn’t have the capacity
Fantastic idea... fund a tunnel in SF instead of the one in Gilroy that will actually connect the rest of the system... great thinking everyone!
Two different agencies, buddy! CAHSR already got funding , so they’ll likely have to finish the central CA segments, before they can get more. Transbay authority is in charge of this SF Portal project
@@jbentajado90 which just goes to Show how stupid the staging of CAHSR is. They could have instead begun by bringing the SF-SJ-Gilroy section up to 110mph or faster with overtaking tracks and fully grade separated from Traffic under wires, and then done the same in LA for Burbank-LA-Annaheim. These 2 Projects would have served Metro area populations of 25 million people, instead of the 3-4million that will be served by the current staging, and would have won support for more funding to scale Up HSR for the expensive difficult connection through the Mountain passes. Instead trying to please people they have a worse Project that serves fewer people taking longer and very difficult to ever finish.
They’ll Connect CAHSR to Gilroy First
@@BigBlueMan118 you're right, but the system has been beleaguered by politicians and special interests. We probably could have had an SF to LA connection through I-5 by now if we didn't have politicians trying to make engineering decisions
Yes and yeah of course California High-Speed Rail in California.😮
I'm all for CAHSR but maybe the funds would have be better spent at this point making sure the Central Valley section connected to Gilroy. Even an imperfect but unified system linking Bakersfield to the CalTrain corridor should be top priority.
Yup, but looks like they will complete this one so the gilroy part will be constructed!❤
which just goes to Show how stupid the staging of CAHSR is. They could have instead begun by bringing the SF-SJ-Gilroy section up to 110mph or faster with overtaking tracks and fully grade separated from Traffic under wires, and then done the same in LA for Burbank-LA-Annaheim. These 2 Projects would have served Metro area populations of 25 million people, instead of the 3-4million that will be served by the current staging, and would have won support for more funding to scale Up HSR for the expensive difficult connection through the Mountain passes. Instead trying to please people they have a worse Project that serves fewer people taking longer and very difficult to ever finish
I vaguely remember that Union Pacific refused to give permission for the HSR to run on or near its track, meaning that the HSR to Gilroy would need to spend decades in litigation and billions of dollars to buy off Union Pacific. The rich people in the Peninsula also promised to send lawyers to delay things as much as possible. So the government decided to not start on the Northern California section of track since it would be tied up too long in lawsuits, and they wanted to spend the stimulus money as soon as possible to stimulate the economy. In any case, the current priority seems to be Bakersfield to San Jose, but through Modesto, completely bypassing Gilroy.
@@my2iu thats not true, at least I havent seen anything of the sort; the line from San Jose to Gilroy is only single track but CAHSR are still planning to electrify and double track it, then run beyond Gilroy to a new alignment turning east to head inland. CAHSR will be able to bring the line through SJ to SF up to 110mph without removing the level crossings, whilst the section from SJ to Gilroy could potentially be faster with the LXs removed
@@BigBlueMan118 Yes, the official plan is to go through Gilroy. But looking up the old news reports, Union Pacific objected to sharing its right of way with high speed rail back in 2008. I think maybe the CEO was Republican or something or was looking for a big payout, so he objected to sharing the right of way with HSR back then. And that took a few years to figure out. In any case, the final official planned route through Gilroy and the Pacheco pass ends up using way more tunneling and way more cost than expected. So the previous governor extended the HSR to Merced and funded an extension of the Ace train from San Jose to Merced, which makes the Gilroy-Pacheco Pass section a much lower priority now.
If only they kept funding projects like these instead of sending it to damn Ukraine and Israel 😒😒
Are you for real, you want to abandon Ukraine and Europe to Putin?
@@BigBlueMan118 Well what do you want ? Peace or high speed trains ??
@@lassepeterson2740 ...Peace? Costs for HSR went up due in no small part to the Ukraine war, of course.
Ed Lee and his admin purposely delayed project because he wanted to help his mission bay developer cronies by attempting to swing the tunnel by the new arena. BTW, when this project was EIR cleared 10+ years ago, it was only 1.5-1.9 billion dollars. See what happens when you delay projects, they become more expensive and lor and behold, they're basically going with the EIR cleared alignment that was approved so many years ago lol.
I always want Caltrain Electrifications and California High-Speed Rail in California and I always love Caltrain Electrifications and California High-Speed Rail in California.😮
I'm not really getting why they are so shy to build the tunnel through Pacheco Pass. Actually that's what CAHSR needs. The undergroud station in San Fransisco is nice to have, but if funding is limited then the current station will do for sure. Without a connection from SF to the Valley the whole project is simply a waste of money. And what is more eventually they have to come up with a plan how to get to Los Angeles. If they have no idea, they should team up with Brightline (what they should do anyway imho, because those guys know their sh... how to build on time and on budget) A high-speed line from Bakersfield to Madera only? That would be like building a subway for New York just on Staten Island and leave 8 million New Yorkes with horse carriages
For some reason their seems to be an assumption with projects that construction should not start until all funds are secure. But it’s a terrible way to build as costs go up while waiting. I know with tunneling you can’t just stop halfway, but you can get funds to build an empty tunnel and wait to put the rails in later.
Brightline west has the advantage of having their ROW already acquired in the center of the highway and they are not actually going to either downtowns if I am not mistaken. All this makes building the project multitudes easier. CAHSR is just a much more challenging project.
@@ryanfoster5902 That's true. However, Brightline will build a line through Cahon Pass and that would be an excellent option for CAHSR to join in. Some day, they still can build the route through Santa Clarita. Brightline wants to terminate at Cucamonga; CAHSR could build the rest to LAUPT.
I always want California High-Speed Rail in California and I always love California High-Speed Rail in California.😮
You wouldn't love it so much if you had to pay a train ticket that reflects the actual cost of high speed rail. Air travel would be cheaper.
Pay it by Californian people’s tax in California.
You wouldn't like driving if you had to pay tolls for the full maintenance cost of mile of road you drive on or paid the full, unsubsidized cost of gasoline plus the cost to mitigate climate change.
@@fb39ca4 Actually, we are paying above the cost of gasoline. The government adds taxes onto the gasoline, knowing that people will blame gas companies and not government for increased price. California adds $1.43 to each gallon of gas, and currently legislation points to a future of $2.00 tax per gallon.
As for gas subsidies, they are not subsidies; they are tax deductions and tax credits.
As for road maintenance, gas tax is supposed to pay for road maintenance. So we already are paying for roads. Unfortunately, a large percentage of gas tax is diverted to projects unrelated to road, like mass transit or rail. This undermines the user-pay/user-benefit principle of a gas tax. If you drive, you should pay for your road, and not someone else's BART ticket.
@@lambertlum1087that governments often shuffle around their finances is definitely an issue at times, but as someone who like usable roads you should be happy about that considering that the total tax revenue of all the gas taxes is about 53 Billion USD while the total road expenditure is at about 206 Billion USD. Meaning that the gas taxes alone wold never cover that. And the since as you said the Gas industry is predominantly aided in tax incentives it is hard to actually pin point how much revenue the governments are actually withholding from collecting but estimates range quite a bit between 10 - 50 billion. Not particularly the singns of a self sufficient mode of transport.
This is great news. Another section of the CAHSR gets federal funding. Fantastic!
This is a two mile link. The estimate is it will cost $8 BILLION. At $4 billion per mile, it is the most expensive piece of track (in $ per mile) in world history. "More money" just means higher salaries/benefits/pensions for unionized construction workers and unionized civil servants. This is a jobs program -- any transportation that comes from it is incidental to its reason to exist.
In germany 7 Billion $ would be an average price for a Highscores rail line
thought 3.4B was going to ukraine for a sec
The five miles a hour through hundreds of miles including tge bay area will definitely cause a huge conviction upon your true carrers and your true hatred od capitalism and law abd constitution.
Why is this not finished. 7 years 3.4 bulid it. Wow I see curves in this tunnel in SF this means loud screecing rails and slow travels in and out of the super expensive station dream.
In countries like the US, there are tons of regulations, environmental impact clearance, lawsuits and land acquisitions to go through. Its just slower here.
@@vitasoy1437And opposition from idiots who think this is a waste of time.
Amtrak has competition
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'In the future'. So in 50 years?
HSR will never be achieved . Too many hurdles .
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Break ground now!!
Nice.
Started this project almost 30 years ago, 11 billion dollars and not a single inch of it is running yet? That’s efficiency…Better numbers than 24 billion in 5 years in homelessness. But Yes let’s keep giving them Money. How do I get my hat into this high speed rail or fighting homelessness?
You should give both
“Fighting homelessness” 😂🤦🏻♂️
Contractors will get rich, politicians will get kickbacks and the dying citing will have another abandoned structure.
I will believe it when I see it.
I like Nancy 🇺🇸
I do not like nancy
This woman is evil
Straight into Newsom and Nancy’s pockets…. Don’t forget their cronies.
sf to la to las vegas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brightline between Las Vegas and LA will be up and running before the first phase of California HSR. And Brightlines route hasn't even started construction yet.
More BS. We've been through this before.
In five years they'll ask for another 4 billion and won't have much to show for progress. Bring in the Chinese if you want to see this project go to completion.
Caltrain Electrified their mainline between S.F - San Jose with help from California
so now not only are California taxpayers paying the bill, the rest of the country is too? so whats this project up to? $900 Trillion and still no tracks laid?
For a state that always complained about subsidizing other states one would think that it would easily be able to afford this project without out tax money
So essentially CalTrain is getting a connection to nothing. Got it.
A Boeing 737 costs under $100 million. For $3.4 billion, 34 737s could have been bought and people could have flown every hour from SF to LA in an hour and a half.
Add that with the TSA lines & once you get on a plane you have to wait over an Hour For it to depart & CAHSR will Connect La - S.F under 3 hours
I guess we're gonna conveniently ignore climate change, the millions who live in the central valley, the time it takes to get to the airport and go though TSA, the billions of dollars used to build and maintain aircraft infrastructure, and reality.
They could also deal with security lines, flight delays, and idiots acting like children on every flight. Fly if you want, but let everyone else have a choice.
Do you know that Boeing planes has a lot of incidents lately?
@@JermaniBurroughsYou don’t think high speed rail won’t have security check ins and multiple stops on the way to and from SF and LA?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Silicon Valley is dead, San Francisco is dead, Los Angeles/hollywood is currently in hospice care, why is is this needed? People and businesses are leaving California in droves…
I hear San Fransisco is a dump now. Doesn’t sound like anyone would like to go. If anyone out there lives there I would love to hear if this is fact or fiction?
I live in north bay area. Every person i knew that lived in the city hated themselves and the city, and didnt stay longer than 9 months. These politicans just want a construction job just so they can skimm money off the top. They deserve to "get a giant birthday cake" ;))))
fiction
@@forrestcharles9050 liar
The trick is to slow down the project and squeeze more money later. Don’t worry about the train. You will get stab if you take a ride.
Why are you like this? Who hurt you?
I think because multiple people have gotten stabbed on the metro in LA
@@enaibee1661 people just like to hype up public safety concerns because they are ideologically opposed to any kind of shared space or public resource. They are intolerant but they want to act like that is necessary for their own safety instead of just acknowledging that they are probably just bigots.
@@williamcondon7729Exactly like as if Caltrain is BART
@@JermaniBurroughs that doesn’t make any sense
I voted YES in 2008. Now, I regret my vote.
They will waste billions and it will not be ready.
Thank you for taking accountability
Hope you enjoyed paying those state taxes for nothing!
You should thank Caltrans for not prioritizing CAHSR
I voted yes, and continue to completely support it.
@@mrxman581 lol thank you for your honesty, but also why continue to support something that never was developed?
This still continues to be a only a dream in this country .....what a joke !!! 🤦🏻♂️😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
The plan that will never come
High speed rail is useless
Blah blah, blah blah blah
scam
The train to nowhere 😊
La & SF aren't nowhere.
@@kim.jong.skillz That ain't gonna happen
@@kim.jong.skillz The reference to train to nowhere comes from the high speed rail link of Merced to Bakersfield. The high speed train starts at nowhere and goes to nowhere, with not enough ridership to operate profitably. They plan to open the rail link in 2026.
this is literally funding a downtown SF connection…
@@justsamoo3480 Downtown SF is dead
3.4 BILLION TRAIN FOR CITY OF HOMELESS
yes cause apparently homeless people take high speed rail and intercity trains like the Northeast, get a grip
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