@@randommaster06 don't give them any ideas, that's gonna be a silver bordered cookie. tbh that would be fun to have a special edition card printed on communion wafer or with edible paint and paper that is "eat this card : gain 40 life."
@@satibel Check out the flavor text of Fat Ass. MaRo mentioned that they wanted to have a card in Unhinged that you had to eat, but their legal department said no. That being said, WotC isn't saying DON'T eat the cards, just that you you don't HAVE to eat the cards.
Old Platinum Angel Story: The big story of the Honolulu Pro Tour wasn’t Kazuya Mitamura’s $40,000 victory in the finals. The big story happened in the first round, where a young boy known only as Hans did something that is causing many to call him a hero. Hans’s game was looking unwinnable. He had a negative life total and was kept alive only by his Platinum Angel. His opponent had just cast a Molder Slug, threatening to remove the Angel - Hans’s only artifact - at the beginning of his next turn. But when it got to that next turn, Hans would say a word that would put the whole series of events in motion. A word that would send ripples throughout Magic history. A word that would cement Hans’s legendary status. Hans stared at his opponent and said, “No.” His opponent was taken aback. “Judge!” said the opponent. “He’s refusing to follow my Molder Slug’s triggered ability.” “Refusing?” “Refusing.” “Is this true, Hans?” Hans nodded. The judge said, “I have to issue you a game loss, Hans.” Hans pointed to his Platinum Angel. “I can’t lose the game,” he said. And with that, he proceeded to his draw step, undaunted by the judge’s ruling. Then he skimmed through his deck for marked cards and put those into his hand as well. “You’re violating multiple game rules,” said the judge, “in addition to ignoring my ruling, and I am issuing a game loss to you.” Hans, his finger still stuck to the Platinum Angel, like a modern day Little Dutch Boy with his finger plugging the leak in the dike, said, “You can issue all the game losses you want, but with my Platinum Angel in play, they have no effect.” Hans proceded to the attack phase and swung for 4 with his Angel. He then looked at his opponent’s face-down morphs, referred to outside notes, and substituted cards from his sideboard. The judge stood before him, flummoxed. Without saying a word, Hans merely looked at the judge while pointing to the Platinum Angel. It was when Hans cast a Demonic Attorney that the head judge was called over. “Ante cards are banned,” the head judge said. “That’s a complete violation of the rules.” But when he saw Hans’s Platinum Angel in play, he was quieted. He knew he was defeated. Hans said, “Since the Demonic Attorney’s in the game, we have to do what it says.” He proceeded to put the top card of his opponent’s deck into his trade binder. The head judge frowned in disapproval. “He’s right.” It was a matter of hours before Hans owned his opponent’s entire deck, as well many other cards from his opponent’s collection, thanks to a Mindslaver and Ring of Ma’rûf. Each time judges tried to issue Hans a game loss for casting cards without mana, or playing cards in his graveyard, Hans merely pointed to his Platinum Angel. The cards Hans didn’t want to take from his opponent he tore up, due to interactions involving Chaos Confetti, March of the Machines, and Cytoshape. Having by this time gathered quite a crowd, Hans produced a folded and wrinkled copy of the DCI Infraction Procedure Guide from his pocket and began skimming it for ideas. He noticed that kicking an opponent’s chair out from under them was listed under “Unsportsmanlike Conduct,” so he did just that. He also kicked the chairs out from under several other nearby players and spectators. The sun was starting to set. The judges had not even attempted to give Hans a game loss for stalling. One by one, they had hanged their heads and walked away, resigned to their powerlessness in the face of the Platinum Angel. Then one of them hatched a plan. “I know who we can call,” the judge exclaimed. The next morning, Hans was woken by a voice blaring across the room from a police loudspeaker. “Hans,” the voice said, “this is your mother. I love you. Please sacrifice your Platinum Angel to the Molder Slug’s triggered ability so this can all end.” Hans lifted his head, looked around the room, and kicked his opponent’s chair out from under him once more. “Hans,” his mother said, “we miss you. We just want you to come home.” Hans yawned, cast the Unglued card Handcuffs, and ordered his opponent to touch his hands together. It was Day Four of the standoff when another voice blared across the room. “Hans,” the voice said, “this is your fiancé. There are only two more days until our wedding, honey. Don’t you still want to get married? You have to end this game now, Hans. Please just sacrifice the Platinum Angel to the Molder Slug. We love you. We’re worried about you.” Hans’s mouth hung open, agape. A tear came to his eye. “Marcia,” he said. “I love you too.” He looked about him, seemingly aghast at what he had done. “I…” he paused. “I concede.” A flurry of applause burst through the room. Judges began high-fiving each other and giving Marcia hugs. “Unfortunately,” Hans said, “the concession has no effect since my Platinum Angel is still in play.” It was two weeks into the game when the military showed up. “Hans,” came a voice from a helicopter. “We have you surrounded. If you do not concede immediately, we will open fire.” Hans looked up at the helicopter, over at the tanks, and across the street at the snipers. He was still pointing to the Platinum Angel, as stoically as ever. To this day, a sleeved Platinum Angel remains embedded in Hans’s tombstone. Hans may have lost his life that day, but he never lost the game.
This was an amazing read, thank you for sharing Hans' story. His tale will live on for generations to come, and some day he will likely be revered as a deity. The truth of the story will eventually muddle with fiction and his memory will be that of true legend, for better or for worse. Rest in peace, Hans.
I think that a fun card would be Oko, the Trickster. Everyone and their mother has heard of Oko, so let them be like “this doesn’t LOOK insane, but I guess it’s good because Oko got banned”
There are three people in my play group who love Ensnaring Bridge: The control player using it, the combo player benefitting from it, and the Killer Bees player unaffected by it.
Reality Ripple, and oops, I go into Combat, I go into declare Attackers, also I cast Reality Ripple on your Ensnaring Bridge, attack you for lethal, do you declare blockers? Oh you have none, well Damage Step, bye bye.
One important note about Agatha's Soul Cauldron is that it can also exile things from opponent's graveyards making it graveyard hate that it's perfectly fine to play in the main board. Ensnaring Bridge has definitely seen quite a bit of main board play in modern in the past, though im not really sure if it still does. Edit: continued the video and he mentioned that. It's still played in other decks like lantern control though.
32:18 Funny you say this because this is how Duel Links' limited list works. They have limited 3, 2, and 1 lists where you can only play 3 of any limited 3 cards (instead of 3 each), and so on. I think it's so much healthier since rogue decks can run a generic limited 1 card that would help with their consistency, while stronger archetypes have to run their limited 1 field spell. At this point I think Konami is just unwilling to pay someone to rebalance the lists for OCG and TCG using this method because gyat dayum it's a tall order, and DL managed to run away with it because this system is what they've been doing since the beginning
@@taemyr Yes but "Dies to doom blade" is a meme in the magic community for things that can be removed by "non exile" removal. So the "target creature and destroy it" kind of stuff. And it was a card tons of people had. It was how a lot of cards back in the day were judged, can it survive a doom blade? If not well not a fantastic card then.
Not sure if you've done some of these, but ideas: Dress down Shardless agent Viel of summer Phyrexian altar Reality shift Urza, lord high artificer Monologue tax Cronatog Tainted aether Gifts ungiven/intuition Destroy evil Lorien revealed Athreos, god of passage Sadistic sacrament
My favorite description of voidwinnower was some interview on mental misplay describing it's power level "void winnower is the best if you can't even, you can't get even"
2:00 "As much health as mana cost or a good effect." The effect is literaly "you can't lose". Calling that a not good effect is so hilarious and also so accurate. I love it. Not losing isn't worth anything unless you can use that to actually win.
to be fair , ensnaring bridge was good before Karn. its just magic has more ways than alot of tcgs to kill outside of combat so it s not that hard to build a deck where you never plan to attack
Tron lands were in 8th edition, which was in standard during Mirrodin block, as well as cloudpost, so you COULD get crazy mana in the early turns, but there were better decks at the time
Yep it turns out seat of the synod and company were quite the cards back then. Though putting them in 8th ed. secured their place in modern, which wouldn't be created for another 8 or 9 years IIRC? I can't remember 8th ed. release date and I think modern was 2011 for PT Belcher or maybe 2012 at the latest.
@@dark_rit Pretty much exact on Modern, the year is correct and the first Modern pro tour was pro tour Phili for Innistrad. As for 8th edition, that was released in 2003, so yeah 8 years was right on the money too.
Void Winnower is honestly one of my favorite Eldrazi to play in my colorless commander deck. It for the most part will just shut down half of any opponents deck regardless of what they’re playing
Another popular combo is in the Pauper format with the deck type "All that Glitters Affinity" which uses All that glitters and a bunch of artifact lands to make Gingerbrute become a 9/9, or bigger.
Question for the MtG-heads in the audience as an exclusive Yugioh player. Which format is MtG's equivalent to the TCG? By that I mean like the most common format for competitive, current meta play
Most common competitive format is Modern. Standard and Pioneer are pretty much equal, but not far behind Modern. The MTG format that most resembles Yugioh is Legacy.
It is funny that Platinum Angel is the reason Trinket got banned in everything. Also, Platz and Tron were legal at the same time. I played all of them in a deck called Tooth and Nail in Standard.
I know this isn't really about commander, but to be fair, void winnower is probably a little easier to remove there? I think the most common creature removals are path and swords. Beyond that, for generic removal, beast within and generous gift fall into the 3 slot. Outside of those, it's likely to be in the 2 range, but between those four cards, I think that accounts for a large portion of removal in commander. I think the main reason he is popular is, firstly, the cost is not that prohibitive in commander, especially if you've got eye of ugin and other eldrazi shenanigans going on, and also, it's a big timmy effect that pisses off your friends (which let's be honest, being able to play timmy cards is why most people play commander)
Off the top of my head I believe 8th Edition and Mirrodin were together in Standard but the idea of Platinum Angel seeing play while Affinity existed is optimistic to say the least. Really hard to evaluate cards today but he has knowledge of the game so it needs to be up there.
@@TheOneJameYT Different matchups. Horror is more for counterspell dominant metas. Right now Void isn't as relevant but it has been in the past to stop Karn and traditional Rakdos Midrange. Not Vampires of course.
James, have you looked at Dragonball Fusion World at all? It's probably too new to put in this series (Set 2 drops this Friday) but it would be cool to see in the future. It's very much like One Piece except there's no equivalent to DON!!! cards, you charge energy/cost by discarding 1 card from your hand, or you can pass.
the funny thing about doing an effect that works like ulamog's in yugioh? it would chainblock the summon, meaning the summon could no longer be negated ... which is less spicy than it sounds because it's more common to negate the activation of a monster effect and destroy the monster nowadays, but that's still _extremely_ funny on the conceptual level
imo point list is a great way to do bans, so if you have 10 points you can put all the cards in the combo at 6 points so that the combo is banned but the individual cards aren't (or put the main offender at 7 and the others at 4 or something.) point list with per copy cost is a variation where each card has a base cost and a per extra copy cost, which allows finer tuning (so for example you can have a card with a high base cost but no extra cost if you want it playable by 4, or a low base cost but a high per copy cost if you want to limit it to 1.) so a 1/5 makes the first copy cost 1, and the second 5 for a total of 6, limiting it to 2 copies and only 4 points left. the great thing with a point list is that you can put a broken card at 10 and it usually is not an issue, because it's one of, and you can't play any other of the powerful restricted cards. using a 100 or 1000 point list allows way finer tuning, and can actually be a deckbuilding feature like in quite a few army games, where you can play a few high power units, or a lot of low power units. so even medium power cards can cost a few points, so you can have a deck with a powerful combo but otherwise bad cards, or a consistent deck with no high power cards but no bad cards.
Platinum Angel and Tron lands actually were in standard together, when Mirrodin block first released - the Tron lands were in 8th Edition, which was the core set at the time. Actually, even the original Locus, Cloudpost, was in the same block. Though you didn't really have a way to search for Tron lands reliably, so the deck wasn't exactly that great then.
Angel and the urza lands and Silvan scrying were in the same Standart but you tryed to play tooth and nails for a Vampire and trsikileon because IT wins on the Spot in the same meta were cloudpost but there were No other posts so Tron was better Also affinity was tier Zero Till the emergancy Bans came good old mirrodin XD
@@TheOneJameYT I know you've said multiple times that getting guests who aren't MTG players is harder, but I hope you're able to do it eventually. It's an idea that seemed obvious to me but I haven't seen anybody else doing these kinds of videos with MTG cards do. And it would be a neat mirror for the archetype videos, because rather than showing a series of groups of related cards and having them rank the groups from worst to best, you would be showing groups of related cards and having them rank the cards in each individual group from worst to best. That would be a fun spin, I think. People haven't exactly been shy about inundating you with suggestions for the YGO archetype videos, so I've thought up a long list of cycles you could do if you want to hear it.
@@TheOneJameYT Interesting, I had wondered before if a video about MTG archetypes would be doable, but I concluded that since the only decks that actually become proper "archetypes" are the ones that are good enough for a lot of people to play, there wouldn't be much to guess, it would just be reviewing some cards from a few famous decklists. Plus, I wasn't sure what format would be the best to use. Anyway, sorry, I tried to post this comment last night, but it seems like it either didn't post properly or got deleted? I think maybe the list I included was too long and made the comment too long? Is that a thing?
I think it would've be funny if you included the knowledge of a turn 1 Dark Ritual into Entomb into Animate Dead is possible for the big things you included cause, while not really played in competitive it sounds like it could be. Lol
platinum angel was in standard with tron and believe it or not even saw some standard play in tooth and nail tron decks mostly out the board against decks with little to no hard removal ., it wasn't the best thing to get with tooth but id see some play
Yeah my immediate thought with Karn was show golden wish. Though golden wish sucks it could be fun. Then show burning or cunning as an example of good wishes. Though maybe golden wish just looks way too bad to someone unfamiliar with MTG so for bad wish James could show death wish as that card is awful, but it does grab *anything* so it looks more interesting.
@@TheOneJameYT Thanks for respectfully taking the bait even though you already liked a different comment with the copypasta already. I appreciate the sentiment though.
You should challenge Jame to guess Digimon cards! I think some possible good picks that would be tricky for him to guess if they were good or not would be BanchoStingmon, Giga Death, Ukkomon, BT7 Dorugreymon, Tommy, and JetSilyphymon, among others.
So the problem with the Platinum Angel assessment here is that it's funadmentally misunderstanding what Platinum Angel does when it has seen play. There are decks that are unable to remove platinum angel, either because of things like sideboarding decisions (boarding out removal) or decks playing removal that does not hit Platinum Angel. It has always only been a tech card, and as a tech card, it's play rate is based on if there's a tech place for it or not. It's fine to say there's no tech place for it currently in places like modern, but all it would take is a shift in the meta for it to once again find a place in peoples' 75. Like, I get that you want to be clear with stuff like "good or bad," but that's not very useful when applied to tech cards, and either means you should probably not add them into these videos, or have a better way to delineate them for the guest. If it wasn't clear, Tron playing copies of platinum angel in early modern wasn't because they were figuring out what to do...they were playing it because it was a card that parts of the meta were unable to beat, and other parts of the meta were slowed down enough by it that it gave Tron the time to overwhelm with it's Mana advantage. Situationally there were not just better things to do, and that still applies. It just happens that currently Tron is both not particularly good, and that platinum Angel does not have many situations come up for it right now.
The issue with plat angel is that there are answers in every color though I'm not sure if there's a colorless answer to the card in modern or not as I haven't played in a while. So if someone wants to get around it they can in their sideboard if they don't have a maindeck answer already.
@@dark_rit so, what you are missing in this statement is not that there aren't answers in whatever color someone is playing, but that doesn't mean every deck plays the cards that could answer it, even if they *could.* There's an opportunity cost to including an answer to platinum angel in the board if you aren't already playing answers for it that also work elsewhere. Or on the other end, some decks can't really afford to keep those answers in vs some decks, because the cards line up poorly vs the rest of the deck. Now, this isn't currently something that's much of a stickler in modern, which is why currently it doesn't see much play. But the assessment is like asking if Choke is good or not. When the card works, it's going to be backbreaking, and when it doesn't, then you don't want to play it. You can mention current playability for either card, but it's a stretch to go further and label the card as good or bad based on the playability alone. It just doesn't operate on that kind of spectrum.
Tron is one of the top deck archetypes in Modern right now, and Platinum Angel still sees zero competitive play, just like it has in every non-rotating format and always will, because there will never be a meta in which a 7-Mana 4/4 with no protection will be worth playing in a format as high-power as Modern.
I really wish you'd do more Digimon card videos! I feel like for the last one, the guy didn't pick really good cards that would be hard to decide on. Also, I think you doing Final Fantasy TCG video would be good because FF is kinda similar to Magic.
The game is obviously not as popular anymore compared to a few years back, but Force of Will's banlist has both normal bans and card combination bans, kind of like its mentioned towards the end of this video
Leyline binding solitude unholy heat prismatic ending are the most played removals in modern where you can play the eldrazi non of the most played removal Cost 2 i feel you where unfair to him xD
@@TheOneJameYT you cant i know but Terminate is not even played in the most scam decks anymore (and leyline binding is even so you cant play it either) i still feel like the most removal cost 2 is wrong and can bring him more in the "this card is good" thinking
I'm not sure I would call Eldrazi a "popular archetype in Magic", unless you're talking specifically about Eldrazi Winter. Since you said you weren't talking about Commander and this video, and outside of that particular meta the only times Eldrazi have been played in 60-card constructed is one or two being played as the payoffs for Big Mana decks like Tron or decks revolving around cheating giant Creatures into play prematurely.
Been watching your content these days and i saw you tried out different formats. What about a format, where you put multiple players into a contest and present 3 different 2 card combos existing in the same format and they have to guess which one is the best and the worst. this way you would have a better amount of thought process involved without overflooding information? Otherwise, great gob as always!
I actually really like the idea of just banning a problematic combo rather than outright banning a card, at least if it's just used a few times so it doesnt become a nightmare for deck construction.
I now consider card game players reacting to other card games they dont play a part of a balanced diet
Same!
These style of videos are my new favorite type of videos
Just like food tokens. Make sure you eat the entire card when you use the ability.
@@randommaster06 don't give them any ideas, that's gonna be a silver bordered cookie.
tbh that would be fun to have a special edition card printed on communion wafer or with edible paint and paper that is "eat this card : gain 40 life."
@@satibel Check out the flavor text of Fat Ass.
MaRo mentioned that they wanted to have a card in Unhinged that you had to eat, but their legal department said no. That being said, WotC isn't saying DON'T eat the cards, just that you you don't HAVE to eat the cards.
Old Platinum Angel Story:
The big story of the Honolulu Pro Tour wasn’t Kazuya Mitamura’s $40,000 victory in the finals. The big story happened in the first round, where a young boy known only as Hans did something that is causing many to call him a hero.
Hans’s game was looking unwinnable. He had a negative life total and was kept alive only by his Platinum Angel. His opponent had just cast a Molder Slug, threatening to remove the Angel - Hans’s only artifact - at the beginning of his next turn.
But when it got to that next turn, Hans would say a word that would put the whole series of events in motion. A word that would send ripples throughout Magic history. A word that would cement Hans’s legendary status.
Hans stared at his opponent and said, “No.”
His opponent was taken aback. “Judge!” said the opponent. “He’s refusing to follow my Molder Slug’s triggered ability.”
“Refusing?”
“Refusing.”
“Is this true, Hans?”
Hans nodded.
The judge said, “I have to issue you a game loss, Hans.”
Hans pointed to his Platinum Angel. “I can’t lose the game,” he said. And with that, he proceeded to his draw step, undaunted by the judge’s ruling. Then he skimmed through his deck for marked cards and put those into his hand as well.
“You’re violating multiple game rules,” said the judge, “in addition to ignoring my ruling, and I am issuing a game loss to you.”
Hans, his finger still stuck to the Platinum Angel, like a modern day Little Dutch Boy with his finger plugging the leak in the dike, said, “You can issue all the game losses you want, but with my Platinum Angel in play, they have no effect.” Hans proceded to the attack phase and swung for 4 with his Angel. He then looked at his opponent’s face-down morphs, referred to outside notes, and substituted cards from his sideboard.
The judge stood before him, flummoxed. Without saying a word, Hans merely looked at the judge while pointing to the Platinum Angel.
It was when Hans cast a Demonic Attorney that the head judge was called over. “Ante cards are banned,” the head judge said. “That’s a complete violation of the rules.” But when he saw Hans’s Platinum Angel in play, he was quieted. He knew he was defeated.
Hans said, “Since the Demonic Attorney’s in the game, we have to do what it says.” He proceeded to put the top card of his opponent’s deck into his trade binder.
The head judge frowned in disapproval. “He’s right.”
It was a matter of hours before Hans owned his opponent’s entire deck, as well many other cards from his opponent’s collection, thanks to a Mindslaver and Ring of Ma’rûf. Each time judges tried to issue Hans a game loss for casting cards without mana, or playing cards in his graveyard, Hans merely pointed to his Platinum Angel.
The cards Hans didn’t want to take from his opponent he tore up, due to interactions involving Chaos Confetti, March of the Machines, and Cytoshape.
Having by this time gathered quite a crowd, Hans produced a folded and wrinkled copy of the DCI Infraction Procedure Guide from his pocket and began skimming it for ideas. He noticed that kicking an opponent’s chair out from under them was listed under “Unsportsmanlike Conduct,” so he did just that. He also kicked the chairs out from under several other nearby players and spectators.
The sun was starting to set. The judges had not even attempted to give Hans a game loss for stalling. One by one, they had hanged their heads and walked away, resigned to their powerlessness in the face of the Platinum Angel. Then one of them hatched a plan. “I know who we can call,” the judge exclaimed.
The next morning, Hans was woken by a voice blaring across the room from a police loudspeaker. “Hans,” the voice said, “this is your mother. I love you. Please sacrifice your Platinum Angel to the Molder Slug’s triggered ability so this can all end.”
Hans lifted his head, looked around the room, and kicked his opponent’s chair out from under him once more.
“Hans,” his mother said, “we miss you. We just want you to come home.”
Hans yawned, cast the Unglued card Handcuffs, and ordered his opponent to touch his hands together.
It was Day Four of the standoff when another voice blared across the room. “Hans,” the voice said, “this is your fiancé. There are only two more days until our wedding, honey. Don’t you still want to get married? You have to end this game now, Hans. Please just sacrifice the Platinum Angel to the Molder Slug. We love you. We’re worried about you.”
Hans’s mouth hung open, agape. A tear came to his eye. “Marcia,” he said. “I love you too.” He looked about him, seemingly aghast at what he had done. “I…” he paused. “I concede.”
A flurry of applause burst through the room. Judges began high-fiving each other and giving Marcia hugs. “Unfortunately,” Hans said, “the concession has no effect since my Platinum Angel is still in play.”
It was two weeks into the game when the military showed up. “Hans,” came a voice from a helicopter. “We have you surrounded. If you do not concede immediately, we will open fire.”
Hans looked up at the helicopter, over at the tanks, and across the street at the snipers. He was still pointing to the Platinum Angel, as stoically as ever.
To this day, a sleeved Platinum Angel remains embedded in Hans’s tombstone. Hans may have lost his life that day, but he never lost the game.
Love this copypasta
I actually believed it at first.
This was an amazing read, thank you for sharing Hans' story. His tale will live on for generations to come, and some day he will likely be revered as a deity. The truth of the story will eventually muddle with fiction and his memory will be that of true legend, for better or for worse. Rest in peace, Hans.
I love that for you or I’m sorry that happened. Either way that’s too long.
Shoot, I just set up a question to bait people into having me reply to them with the copypasta. Good on you for getting to it first though.
I think that a fun card would be Oko, the Trickster. Everyone and their mother has heard of Oko, so let them be like “this doesn’t LOOK insane, but I guess it’s good because Oko got banned”
There are three people in my play group who love Ensnaring Bridge: The control player using it, the combo player benefitting from it, and the Killer Bees player unaffected by it.
Reality Ripple, and oops, I go into Combat, I go into declare Attackers, also I cast Reality Ripple on your Ensnaring Bridge, attack you for lethal, do you declare blockers? Oh you have none, well Damage Step, bye bye.
One important note about Agatha's Soul Cauldron is that it can also exile things from opponent's graveyards making it graveyard hate that it's perfectly fine to play in the main board.
Ensnaring Bridge has definitely seen quite a bit of main board play in modern in the past, though im not really sure if it still does.
Edit: continued the video and he mentioned that. It's still played in other decks like lantern control though.
Not quite mainboard too often, but ensuring bridge is in a non-karn sideboard in mill very commonly
I can't believe we didn't get Lantern Control storytime with the Ensnaring Bridge; I was thinking immediately of it when you flashed it up!
32:18 Funny you say this because this is how Duel Links' limited list works. They have limited 3, 2, and 1 lists where you can only play 3 of any limited 3 cards (instead of 3 each), and so on. I think it's so much healthier since rogue decks can run a generic limited 1 card that would help with their consistency, while stronger archetypes have to run their limited 1 field spell. At this point I think Konami is just unwilling to pay someone to rebalance the lists for OCG and TCG using this method because gyat dayum it's a tall order, and DL managed to run away with it because this system is what they've been doing since the beginning
14:24 "Dies to doom blade" is all I could think of during that conversation. Haha
Same 🤣
Why does it die to doom blade? Isn't db even?
@@taemyr Yes but "Dies to doom blade" is a meme in the magic community for things that can be removed by "non exile" removal. So the "target creature and destroy it" kind of stuff. And it was a card tons of people had. It was how a lot of cards back in the day were judged, can it survive a doom blade? If not well not a fantastic card then.
Not sure if you've done some of these, but ideas:
Dress down
Shardless agent
Viel of summer
Phyrexian altar
Reality shift
Urza, lord high artificer
Monologue tax
Cronatog
Tainted aether
Gifts ungiven/intuition
Destroy evil
Lorien revealed
Athreos, god of passage
Sadistic sacrament
Thanks!
My favorite description of voidwinnower was some interview on mental misplay describing it's power level "void winnower is the best if you can't even, you can't get even"
Yep 🤣
There is even a ruling saying "Yes, your opponent can’t even. We know."
@@seandun7083 Who said WOTC didn't have some levels of humor... they're still Nestle levels of evil.
@@livedandletdiemaybe, but is that at all relevant?
It's a very odd card, to be certain.
2:00 "As much health as mana cost or a good effect." The effect is literaly "you can't lose". Calling that a not good effect is so hilarious and also so accurate. I love it. Not losing isn't worth anything unless you can use that to actually win.
you absolutely spared him the horrors of 2019 Lantern Control w/ ensnaring bridge.
Now show him Lantern of Insight.
Show him PSYCHATOG
Agatha's Soul Cauldron
+ Insidious Roots
All your plant token gets the abilities
to be fair , ensnaring bridge was good before Karn. its just magic has more ways than alot of tcgs to kill outside of combat so it s not that hard to build a deck where you never plan to attack
Tron lands were in 8th edition, which was in standard during Mirrodin block, as well as cloudpost, so you COULD get crazy mana in the early turns, but there were better decks at the time
Yep it turns out seat of the synod and company were quite the cards back then. Though putting them in 8th ed. secured their place in modern, which wouldn't be created for another 8 or 9 years IIRC? I can't remember 8th ed. release date and I think modern was 2011 for PT Belcher or maybe 2012 at the latest.
@@dark_rit Pretty much exact on Modern, the year is correct and the first Modern pro tour was pro tour Phili for Innistrad. As for 8th edition, that was released in 2003, so yeah 8 years was right on the money too.
Good job Bryce I like seeing you rep the community.
I’m glad to see more Digimon highlights
Seems like such a good dude and he did great!
Platinum Angel was with Tron in Standard, was even played together. Tooth and Nail with a platinum angel + leonin abunas.
Void Winnower is honestly one of my favorite Eldrazi to play in my colorless commander deck. It for the most part will just shut down half of any opponents deck regardless of what they’re playing
It's probably not very competitive, but I imagine you could play Ensnaring Bridge in a Hellbent deck.
Another popular combo is in the Pauper format with the deck type "All that Glitters Affinity" which uses All that glitters and a bunch of artifact lands to make Gingerbrute become a 9/9, or bigger.
All that Glitters just got banned!
Question for the MtG-heads in the audience as an exclusive Yugioh player. Which format is MtG's equivalent to the TCG? By that I mean like the most common format for competitive, current meta play
Most common competitive format is Modern. Standard and Pioneer are pretty much equal, but not far behind Modern. The MTG format that most resembles Yugioh is Legacy.
As soon as I saw ensnaring bridge, my mind immediately went to 8-Rack. Though its usually played in the mainboard in that case.
It is funny that Platinum Angel is the reason Trinket got banned in everything. Also, Platz and Tron were legal at the same time. I played all of them in a deck called Tooth and Nail in Standard.
I know this isn't really about commander, but to be fair, void winnower is probably a little easier to remove there? I think the most common creature removals are path and swords. Beyond that, for generic removal, beast within and generous gift fall into the 3 slot. Outside of those, it's likely to be in the 2 range, but between those four cards, I think that accounts for a large portion of removal in commander.
I think the main reason he is popular is, firstly, the cost is not that prohibitive in commander, especially if you've got eye of ugin and other eldrazi shenanigans going on, and also, it's a big timmy effect that pisses off your friends (which let's be honest, being able to play timmy cards is why most people play commander)
Not bringing up walking ballista with Agatha's soul cauldron is definitely a mistake
Off the top of my head I believe 8th Edition and Mirrodin were together in Standard but the idea of Platinum Angel seeing play while Affinity existed is optimistic to say the least.
Really hard to evaluate cards today but he has knowledge of the game so it needs to be up there.
The Yugioh equivalent to the Ulamog thing would probably be cards that have a strong cost and weak effect like Cherubini or Mathmech Circular
Voidwinnower is a tricky card to give since it shows up in SBs in Pioneer. So saying it isn't constructed playable isn't true.
Which Pioneer sideboard, I play that format and don't know what deck you're talking about.
@@TheOneJameYT Shows up in Creativity and Transmogrify side boards.
@@KebbieG I play creativity and it’s pretty rare to see it in the board. Usually it’s Hullbreaker Horror.
@@TheOneJameYT Different matchups. Horror is more for counterspell dominant metas. Right now Void isn't as relevant but it has been in the past to stop Karn and traditional Rakdos Midrange. Not Vampires of course.
James, have you looked at Dragonball Fusion World at all? It's probably too new to put in this series (Set 2 drops this Friday) but it would be cool to see in the future. It's very much like One Piece except there's no equivalent to DON!!! cards, you charge energy/cost by discarding 1 card from your hand, or you can pass.
I haven’t!
the funny thing about doing an effect that works like ulamog's in yugioh?
it would chainblock the summon, meaning the summon could no longer be negated
... which is less spicy than it sounds because it's more common to negate the activation of a monster effect and destroy the monster nowadays, but that's still _extremely_ funny on the conceptual level
imo point list is a great way to do bans, so if you have 10 points you can put all the cards in the combo at 6 points so that the combo is banned but the individual cards aren't (or put the main offender at 7 and the others at 4 or something.)
point list with per copy cost is a variation where each card has a base cost and a per extra copy cost, which allows finer tuning (so for example you can have a card with a high base cost but no extra cost if you want it playable by 4, or a low base cost but a high per copy cost if you want to limit it to 1.)
so a 1/5 makes the first copy cost 1, and the second 5 for a total of 6, limiting it to 2 copies and only 4 points left.
the great thing with a point list is that you can put a broken card at 10 and it usually is not an issue, because it's one of, and you can't play any other of the powerful restricted cards.
using a 100 or 1000 point list allows way finer tuning, and can actually be a deckbuilding feature like in quite a few army games, where you can play a few high power units, or a lot of low power units. so even medium power cards can cost a few points, so you can have a deck with a powerful combo but otherwise bad cards, or a consistent deck with no high power cards but no bad cards.
Bryce was cooking with the idea of graveyard burn ensnaring bridge ngl
He was in the kitchen for sure
Platinum Angel and Tron lands actually were in standard together, when Mirrodin block first released - the Tron lands were in 8th Edition, which was the core set at the time. Actually, even the original Locus, Cloudpost, was in the same block.
Though you didn't really have a way to search for Tron lands reliably, so the deck wasn't exactly that great then.
Gingerbrute is such a menace in pauper with All That Glitters
Angel and the urza lands and Silvan scrying were in the same Standart but you tryed to play tooth and nails for a Vampire and trsikileon because IT wins on the Spot in the same meta were cloudpost but there were No other posts so Tron was better
Also affinity was tier Zero Till the emergancy Bans came good old mirrodin XD
I hope you haven't forgotten my idea of having people rate cycles of MTG cards as a counterpart to the series of Yu Gi Oh archetype ranking videos
I haven’t!
@@TheOneJameYT I know you've said multiple times that getting guests who aren't MTG players is harder, but I hope you're able to do it eventually. It's an idea that seemed obvious to me but I haven't seen anybody else doing these kinds of videos with MTG cards do. And it would be a neat mirror for the archetype videos, because rather than showing a series of groups of related cards and having them rank the groups from worst to best, you would be showing groups of related cards and having them rank the cards in each individual group from worst to best. That would be a fun spin, I think.
People haven't exactly been shy about inundating you with suggestions for the YGO archetype videos, so I've thought up a long list of cycles you could do if you want to hear it.
@@dasuberkaiser6 I’d like to hear! The video coming out tomorrow is about MTG archetypes by the way!
@@TheOneJameYT Interesting, I had wondered before if a video about MTG archetypes would be doable, but I concluded that since the only decks that actually become proper "archetypes" are the ones that are good enough for a lot of people to play, there wouldn't be much to guess, it would just be reviewing some cards from a few famous decklists. Plus, I wasn't sure what format would be the best to use.
Anyway, sorry, I tried to post this comment last night, but it seems like it either didn't post properly or got deleted? I think maybe the list I included was too long and made the comment too long? Is that a thing?
@@dasuberkaiser6 Definitely didn't delete it so I'm not sure!
Might be hard to find one, but a top level Lorcana player who hasn't played much/any MtG would be fascinating with how similar the games feel.
I agree!
I think it would've be funny if you included the knowledge of a turn 1 Dark Ritual into Entomb into Animate Dead is possible for the big things you included cause, while not really played in competitive it sounds like it could be. Lol
platinum angel was in standard with tron and believe it or not even saw some standard play in tooth and nail tron decks mostly out the board against decks with little to no hard removal ., it wasn't the best thing to get with tooth but id see some play
He was such a good card analyst wow.
It could be fun if you show a modern MTG some old-school cards and have them guess if those were tournament cards during those days.
Rating things based on sideboard might be fun?
Yeah my immediate thought with Karn was show golden wish. Though golden wish sucks it could be fun. Then show burning or cunning as an example of good wishes. Though maybe golden wish just looks way too bad to someone unfamiliar with MTG so for bad wish James could show death wish as that card is awful, but it does grab *anything* so it looks more interesting.
Platinum Angel reminds me of the Standoff at the Honolulu Pro Tour. Have you heard of it?
Nope!
@@TheOneJameYT Thanks for respectfully taking the bait even though you already liked a different comment with the copypasta already. I appreciate the sentiment though.
@@izaiahsundquist6877 😏
I got 420% of these correct.
You should challenge Jame to guess Digimon cards! I think some possible good picks that would be tricky for him to guess if they were good or not would be BanchoStingmon, Giga Death, Ukkomon, BT7 Dorugreymon, Tommy, and JetSilyphymon, among others.
@@AnonYmous69271 he said he may be interested when I talked to him. I have some good ones.
So the problem with the Platinum Angel assessment here is that it's funadmentally misunderstanding what Platinum Angel does when it has seen play. There are decks that are unable to remove platinum angel, either because of things like sideboarding decisions (boarding out removal) or decks playing removal that does not hit Platinum Angel. It has always only been a tech card, and as a tech card, it's play rate is based on if there's a tech place for it or not.
It's fine to say there's no tech place for it currently in places like modern, but all it would take is a shift in the meta for it to once again find a place in peoples' 75.
Like, I get that you want to be clear with stuff like "good or bad," but that's not very useful when applied to tech cards, and either means you should probably not add them into these videos, or have a better way to delineate them for the guest.
If it wasn't clear, Tron playing copies of platinum angel in early modern wasn't because they were figuring out what to do...they were playing it because it was a card that parts of the meta were unable to beat, and other parts of the meta were slowed down enough by it that it gave Tron the time to overwhelm with it's Mana advantage. Situationally there were not just better things to do, and that still applies. It just happens that currently Tron is both not particularly good, and that platinum Angel does not have many situations come up for it right now.
Thanks for the feedback!
The issue with plat angel is that there are answers in every color though I'm not sure if there's a colorless answer to the card in modern or not as I haven't played in a while. So if someone wants to get around it they can in their sideboard if they don't have a maindeck answer already.
@@dark_rit so, what you are missing in this statement is not that there aren't answers in whatever color someone is playing, but that doesn't mean every deck plays the cards that could answer it, even if they *could.* There's an opportunity cost to including an answer to platinum angel in the board if you aren't already playing answers for it that also work elsewhere. Or on the other end, some decks can't really afford to keep those answers in vs some decks, because the cards line up poorly vs the rest of the deck. Now, this isn't currently something that's much of a stickler in modern, which is why currently it doesn't see much play. But the assessment is like asking if Choke is good or not. When the card works, it's going to be backbreaking, and when it doesn't, then you don't want to play it. You can mention current playability for either card, but it's a stretch to go further and label the card as good or bad based on the playability alone. It just doesn't operate on that kind of spectrum.
Tron is one of the top deck archetypes in Modern right now, and Platinum Angel still sees zero competitive play, just like it has in every non-rotating format and always will, because there will never be a meta in which a 7-Mana 4/4 with no protection will be worth playing in a format as high-power as Modern.
I really wish you'd do more Digimon card videos! I feel like for the last one, the guy didn't pick really good cards that would be hard to decide on. Also, I think you doing Final Fantasy TCG video would be good because FF is kinda similar to Magic.
The game is obviously not as popular anymore compared to a few years back, but Force of Will's banlist has both normal bans and card combination bans, kind of like its mentioned towards the end of this video
Leyline binding solitude unholy heat prismatic ending are the most played removals in modern where you can play the eldrazi non of the most played removal Cost 2 i feel you where unfair to him xD
Try to Unholy Heat or Prismatic Ending a 9 drop XD
@@TheOneJameYT you cant i know but Terminate is not even played in the most scam decks anymore (and leyline binding is even so you cant play it either) i still feel like the most removal cost 2 is wrong and can bring him more in the "this card is good" thinking
Ensnaring Bridge is a main deck card, as a Lantern Control Player... I don't enjoy my opponent doing stuff.
A true genius
Man, as a Kash player Ulamog gave me a stiffy, in a sense he reminds me of my good ol' friend Diablosis.
Why did the void vinnower player win the game?
Because his opponent COULDNT EVEN
Couldn’t even take it!!
I'm not sure I would call Eldrazi a "popular archetype in Magic", unless you're talking specifically about Eldrazi Winter. Since you said you weren't talking about Commander and this video, and outside of that particular meta the only times Eldrazi have been played in 60-card constructed is one or two being played as the payoffs for Big Mana decks like Tron or decks revolving around cheating giant Creatures into play prematurely.
23:18 **sniff, sniff** Sure smells like Ben Wheeler in here all of a sudden.
🤣
Isnt the current best modern deck all that glitters which features gingerbrute for the cant be blocked flavour text?
It used to be one of the best decks but it's not even in the top 10 anymore
Weiss does a lot of choice restrictions
Been watching your content these days and i saw you tried out different formats. What about a format, where you put multiple players into a contest and present 3 different 2 card combos existing in the same format and they have to guess which one is the best and the worst. this way you would have a better amount of thought process involved without overflooding information? Otherwise, great gob as always!
I haven’t thought about that, I’ll look into it! Glad you’re enjoying the content
PUT. A. QUILT. COVER. ON. YOUR. BED.
Congrats you’re the first person to comment on the appearance of my bed 🤣
Which mtg combos would you ban?
Not sure lol
Keep with the content mate!
That's the plan!
As a Yugioh player, I am impressed by the level of creativity of these Magic cards!
If you ever put a Food card on an MtG list again, you should try and convince the guest that you have to literally eat it when you use the ability.
The digimon card game is big enough to have “champions” now?
I actually really like the idea of just banning a problematic combo rather than outright banning a card, at least if it's just used a few times so it doesnt become a nightmare for deck construction.
That might be okay in standard, but I bet it would be a headache in older formats
Another good show. Any chance of getting @covertgoblue on
I’ve asked him but haven’t been able to!
That would be awesome! Hes rocking it