The biggest issue I see is that most of EN never finish the MC projects they start and then they end up playing so infrequently that they get intimidated by it and start comparing themselves to the other branches. Fauna has her tree, but doesn't seem to have a clear vision for it and doesn't look at other builds or guides despite being the one to make a bunch of farms, none of her homes are complete either. Kronii had the bunkeronii and now has her castle, but she rarely plays and built it in a place that is making it a lot more work. Mumei, has her treehouse from a guide and her owl but admits to being overwhelmed. Bae, has a couple dirt houses and a creeper farm, her "new" house on the EN server has made no progress. IRyS really seems to lack the drive to build and prefers to just mine. Ame has put in a bunch of work and built a lot but she only really plays in bursts, needing to be particularly inspired to play. Calli refused to play for like an entire year or more but seems a bit more open if it is a collab. Ina can build if she can get herself together on a day she's not exhausted and focus but that has been difficult. Gura, also has flashes of inspiration but is often followed by poor health and overwork. I think they just need guides to follow to build up confidence and actually complete projects and if more people play the others will often want to join in.
some update about calli: after kaelashin provided her materials to build stuff, calli actually enjoys MC nowadays cuz she hated the grind stuff before she even did multiple MC streams this year already, even as solo streams with some sudden short collabs via "open VC" here and there x)
It’s not that they compare themselves to other branches per se, it is who chat often tells them to go to the other servers or use other people’s farms. In a recent Minecraft stream Kiara was trading for emeralds at Phoenixton and someone told her to go to Fauna’s raid farm. Kiara built Phoenixton with her IRL Mom of course it would be a sentimental build for her. Be a bit considerate of her feelings. When chat often puts down your own builds, you are going to lose motivation to build anything or finish anything. It was worse in the early days when chat would ALL CAPS and spam the girls how they were building things wrong AND give conflicting info between Java and Bedrock. Probably one of the reasons why Kiara prefers the adventure part of Minecraft, less complicated, easier to understand, and exciting, but sadly that is going to limit her Minecraft streams to only when there is new content in Minecraft.
i don't think haft of EN even finished a project, & whats funny about calli, the first year and haft, she has built more and finished projects more then ame and gura, which says a lot, now calli is more in to it after a bit of fomo like kiara was, Now she'll join in on events, and speaking of kiara, kiara doesn't even do much anymore on MC cuz she hates building in any game cuz she finds it very boring & boring as a stream, she like the adventure aspects of MC, but since theirs not a lot she can do now, she's just chilling, the best she could do is join MC events like this, or the upcoming Summerfest in MC sometime soon, maybe with calli and the girls, maybe the new girls too then you have council who barely did much aside from the bunker, now its just fauna who is carrying the server with farms and so, & from what i heard, none of the new girls played MC, & if they have, not that much, i know nerissa likes building but everything else idt she cares about, which says a lot about EN lol
@@HadirUntukAnda Moona's situation is pretty interesting, back then she was shy and seemed don't have much confidence in her activities like she didn't know what she is good at or what she was supposed to do in Hololive. But then MC really triggers her creative side, Iofi once said that it is good that Moona finally found something she is really good at, and her PekoMoon episodes cement that MC is not only a simple game for her.
karna branch JP dan ID punya tradisi masing2 utk merayakan lomba di event tertentu. JP basicnya adalah sport fes antar murid sekolah aka undokai yg lumrah bgt di jepang sana. sedangkan ID sudah jelas 17 agustusan makanya keduanya bisa rayain sport fes dgn dasarnya masing2. nah, EN ini yg susah. kendala mereka itu penyebaran tiap member yg ujung2nya berurusan dgn time zone. sama menurutku ditambah budayanya yg blm tentu sama tiap member jadi utk merayakan sport fes tidak ada dasarnya utk merayakan apa (well, alasan ini mungkin terkesan ngasal dan ga logis. tpi menurutku ini bisa jadi pertimbangan). lalu masalah utama: NIAT
Kalo untuk dasar mereka bisa ngehost event buat yg lebih umum kyk rumah hantu Halloween, karnaval natal atau sejenisnya, tapi yah EN sendiri nggk begitu banyak yg aktif Minecraft dibanding JP atau ID jadi bakal lebih susah.
I think Holo EN never make big project, maybe because they are not in the same country and have different timezone, so it's a bit difficult to collab for making event together. It's not like JP or ID with same timezone they are more easy to collab, even ID is more easy to IRL Collab.
its not just cuz of time zones, a lot of it is spontaneous, & a lot of it comes down to interests, as well as EN being busy with other stuff, like for example, calli, kiara even calls her out on it for being too busy, if she wasn't then she wouldn't have to relearn the controls and game everytime she plays it on stream, then you have some of EN, like ame or gura, who are straights up just lazy to build, remember ame's fun house idea or her saying she wants to blow up PPP cuz others had better farms, cuz im still waiting lol
en group minecraft stream falls under these categories: 1) fish and zatsudan, 2) adventure, goes around in boat and not building anything, 3) want to build something huge project after seeing other branch's build, but realize it will take time, effort and planning and give it up immediately. I think they just got intimidated by long term project and don't know where to start. And plus they don't like to research thing and plan before hand. Which is understanderable, give most member have a tight schedule doing other more important project. So en group member tend to avoid research heavy or project that require prior planning. Probably need to start with smaller and less ambitious build to build their confidence and understand it;s okay for thing to take time and not everything has to finish immediately. MC stream is effectively a zatsudan stream with activity on the side and some time spontaneous off collab. But some time en folks just dislike minecraft, which is fine.
Ame has the most potential to set up an event but she doesn't really like minecraft that much. Kiara too, but since she's EU it'll be hard for her to get help from the others
EN server has to hold a big event. The most important thing is just the concept. For everything about resources, manpower, technical engineers, I'm sure the members of JP and ID will be happy to help if EN feels lacking. Because for events like sports festivals, in the end what we are looking for is the collab moment of Hololive members. And it was very memorable and fun for the members and the viewers.
I hope one day EN Minecraft server would held a big event too. It doesn't have to be sport's event, it could be just like festival or something like that.
Bikin event di Minecraft itu sebenernya rumit dan butuh banyak waktu, apalagi kalo banyak mod begini. Dari planning, building, meng-invite/kontak2 member yg mau ikut, dll. Beberapa member HoloID kadang "ngeluh"/curhat kalo mereka punya banyak PR di bulan Agustus, salah satunya karena event Minecraft mereka. Saat membuat venue event nya kadang mereka juga agak malas gimana gitu. Jadi mungkin ini salah satu penyebab kenapa EN ga pernah ngadain event mereka sendiri, selain ga ada pendorong budaya dan time zone yg beda-beda. Mereka tau siapin event Minecraft ribet butuh waktu panjang dan effort besar, apalagi kalo member2nya jarang main Minecraft dan belum terlalu paham Minecraft (kecuali Fauna).
I understand how kiara thought of that, but now EN have Shiorin and Nerissa which used play minecraft creative (based on kaela story about chat with them) so maybe EN can caught up in the future😊
Man, imagine, just imagine if they added Create Mod to their servers.... All the possibilities. The JP girls would probably build complex traps and war machines, the ID girls would surely advance their server to 3000 years in the future, and the EN girls would finally learn how to open a coconut.
@@LiliaIxaliaYes it is. IIRC JP Holomen have mentioned the management prepared for them a special server for special events. It was first used for the Holo Sports Fest.
Well this is hololive man.. I think EN capable to do some event too, even if they must be helped by any other branch.. See the holomatsuri fest in minecraft, its not only the JP branch who build many games inside the event.. Even many from other branch also participate to build some show/games inside the fest..i think ID branch who expert on minecraft like Moona, Kaela, Olie will gladly to help the EN branch if they ask for some help to held any festivals..
EN is more in individual culturaly while ID is more communal culturaly. Because of this their relation with fans also different, EN between talent with fans is basicaly entertainer and her fans, while in ID between talent with fans is more like community that is why person like Yuba or Arkana exist can exist in ID. Because the different culture is also impacted the member differently, in EN it will be hard to have a leader since every member strong in their own individualist idea, while in ID is more easy as long as they have common purpose/goal or interest because it much more easy for the member to put their ego individualistic aside for greater good of community. They just simply coming from different culture at the first place, one coming from West that emphasized individuality and other from Indonesia that emphasized more family oriented in real life.
Where there is a will, there is a way. Nothing is impossible for a willing heart. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome. It's not just for MC, it needs not to be MC, it can be anything, everything.
2:56 thats an Briliant Idea, caveman sport. Just if they really need to make it real event. Imagine Caveman sport being survival sport like run from dinosaur, or like indiana jones survival. I really love that FR FR
EN really needs a dedicated MC player in their lineup if they want to improve the condition of the EN server. Someone on the level of popular servers like HC or Empires, because it is gonna be a huge task to get everyone of them motivated.
@@valdojrmy fauna is a good builder, but not yet at that level. we need someone who knows the mechanics of the game to be able to make stuff like minigames. so far no one in EN has done anything like that.
Kalau emang niat, EN sebenarnya bisa bisa aja buat event minecraft sendiri, minta uang ke yagoo untuk hire outsourcing untuk masalah teknis kayak bikin mod mod seperti event ID, nanti untuk tema dan konsepnya biarin EN yang buat 😅😅😅
JP server: Great individual projects, but no coherent theme. Most just stands on a flat plane. ID server: Amazing builds plus thematic consistency. Complete world building. EN server: It pays more attention to theme and terrain than JP, but not as much as ID. But most of all it just has WAY fewer playing hours invested than JP or ID. Really the core to get a server "big" is to have a devoted group of friends that just likes to hang out in MC. EN had it a little while with Myth and then with Council, but it was never as intense as ID and they have fewer members and shorter streams than JP back in the great Kenzetsu days.
I disagree. I think EN has the potential to build really amazing stuff and can rival JP and ID. Its just that EN chat during the girls’ early days in Minecraft tended to have some hardcore Minecraft players who spammed the girls on how they were building things wrong. And then there was the conflicting info from chat between Bedrock and Java mechanics that confused and frustrated the girls further. Then when EN and JP servers were connected, the girls were spammed to just farm in JP server and ignore their own builds. That kind of kills any motivation the EN girls would have to continue making their own builds since JP is better according to chat, hence the long Minecraft hiatus after the EN - JP server connect. If EN chat could be a bit more encouraging and turn the building sessions of the EN girls into more relaxed enjoyable chatting streams and stop indirectly comparing them with others by telling them to use this or that farm, perhaps they can be encouraged to start building more. Thank God for Kaela though, her patience for collabing with EN in Minecraft and her understanding of how little their experience is with the game and patiently teaching them, is slowly drawing the girls back, also collabs helps to prevent the girls from reading discouraging comments in chat and helps to keep their motivation up. Can anyone else see why most of EN prefers collabing in Minecraft rather than solo stream? Let’s be real, why play a game where every stream you are called a noob and caveman and this or that person’s build is better than yours?
EN has Fauna! The mother nature who building civilization and economic. We can count on her. The 3rd gen has potential also. I'm sure they will evolve to next level.
Emang nih Phoenix gk sungkan dan ragu" buat bikin statement, bahkan untuk branch nya sendiri :v Salah satu sifat yg ane suka darinya, cuma emang rada riskan aja. Kalo viewers menanggapi nya, secara baperan wkwk
Itu yg bikin suka dari Kiara, dia ga jaim dan apa ada nya, mirip Nijisanji aplg dia bisa mencairkan suasana, tp her wording suka jd bumerang dijadiin bahan sama anti. Bhkn ada yg baper sm statement Kiara yg ini dan mau belain EN tp ga mau keliatan nyerang Kiara sbg EN member jd diplintir komen nyinyir nya ke ID.
My suggestion: EN can make fireworks festival 🎉🎉 I know that sounds too simple but, if EN can make somekind of special letters fireworks, that would be awesome 😮 some helps from ID n JP to amplify the project would be nice ✌️
it's not like all id girls are that enthusiastic or great at mc either, you can prob count them on one hand, Moona, Ollie, Reine, Kaela, just four out of nine
and yet when it comes down to it the ID branch's unity and coordination is so good they can even rival JP. I've yet to see branch-wide unity and coordination of that level in EN when it comes to big events
I think EN can make a WORLD CUP, like a PON in Indonesia. But player time and resource in EN it's a problem. I hope EN can make the Minecraft Event In the future.
Honestly, I prefer to watch the MC content of the JP branch, the girls always find some way to entertain.. instead EN. It's like they're not very interested in MC... at first they were seen trying to play but once they were consolidated they let us see that they didn't like MC very much
@@TunesByAI2024 Kaela revealed both Nerissa and Shiori played Minecraft before. but the most potential for minecraft that she (and everyone) is anticipating is from Bijou
Kronii, Ame and Ina largely stopped playing Minecraft regularly nowadays. its Fauna and the occasional Kiara who keeps the EN side of minecraft affairs still alive
actually... cavemen sports sounds plausible LOL why do you need over the top events when two branches already have them? One branch should brace that cavemen-ship and be proud of it too LOL. It's okay 👌🏽 I believe in EN ability too!
man I kinda hate that they are keep feels this inferiority in minecraft or any other game. I mean the pokemon unite event proved that they can do it well if they try to improve themselves. I got it this is more complex since they need somekind of work map idea and pretty much whole EN comes from diverse nationality and tradition around the world, but if they planned this at least a year before the event they want to make then I'm pretty sure it will be as fantastic as JP and ID event
EN could make superbowl and rugby mod. They could hire ID too wether material/build, like sana's tower. Hopely advent could bring fresh air on EN mc server. Welp, it's up to them. No pressure
it's a bit out of bound I guess. based on Ollie's statement, big project like sport festival need a careful planning, you need to make proposal and stuff and submit them to the management. and since it's 'EN Branch Official Event', then the actual stuff need to be done by EN member themselves, if not, it'd be self-defeating and no longer an 'EN Exclusive Event'. as for the details, dunno but pretty much 'Branch Exclusive Event' like 'Undokai' in JP server and 'HoloIDCup' in ID server are exclusive event to their branch, planning and stuff were done by themselves.
@@LiliaIxalia indeed, based on 1st id sportfes, the whole event itself must be made/planned by write a proposal (what kind of activity, who participate, time, etc, etc). Maybe i mixed undokai and jp summer fes here (like back then when kaela gave botan box of gravel), my mistake.
The problem with the way Hololive did the minecraft servers is that they threw EN to the wolves so to speak by putting them on their own server right off the bat. No one in EN had a lot of experience, if any, with minecraft when they were given their server. Sure, Ina and Ame are good enough gamers to figure it out and learn on their own, but you really need to be taught by someone who really loves the game enough to pass along the passion for it. Like Moona had with Pekora because ID started on the JP server. Moona then passed her passion on to the rest of ID, especially when they got their own server. EN never had anyone who really loved the game enough to inspire anyone else to play a lot. Ame builds solo. Ina is mostly solo when building, except for the Onsen (Cali) and fishing hut (Reine). Gura has the interest but not the attention span or knowledge. Kiara's mom had a lot to teach Kiara, but she would spend those collabs with the zoomies and wouldn't pay attention (kinda like reading). Council had Sana and Kronii who didn't have much experience, but again, were able to figure things out yet mostly built solo. Fauna had, by far, the most experience coming in to the game, but she was a speed runner, not a builder. Finally they started to let everyone visit each other's servers and it's like the EN rednecks showing the big city folk their collection of sheds. Now they are a bit intimidated by all the talent and knowledge in the other branches. What they really need are some folks from the other branches to take their hands and make them do some Minecraft collabs. (the reason I say "make" is because they are going to be too shy to do so on their own and if EN decides what to build, it will be too modest for them to really learn anything. But I would really hate for them to feel forced. I just don't know how to word it better). I think IRyS and Kaela would make a good collab as IRyS likes the mining and they do tend to overlap steam times more often than not. Gura did promise both Moona and Kaela minecraft collabs at some point, but Gura has been crazy busy since then.
EN just lack motivation and inspiration to start and finish some stuff, too easy to get overwhelmed also probably related to the culture they have. While ID like they can do things on their own as long they got the permission since most of their culture related to self-taught so it just matter of time until they mastered the games.. Mostly *imo
ID members were beginners in MC when they started. Heck, Moona didnt even know how to make a crafting table when she first played. Being in the JP server is no help to her because she can't speak nihongo, and it actually isolated her even more because Risu and Iofi can. You can see how awkward she was when the ID trio had their first collab with JP, so she mostly just played on her own. It also didnt help that Risu and Iofi never really liked the game in the beginning for their own reasons. But Moona really liked the game, and it triggered her imagination. That's the most important thing in MC. You need to like it, because you will get bored if you don't.
The only reason the ID girls started in the JP server was because making a server for 3 people (of which 2 weren't that interested at the time) is dumb. The ID server was made a few months after ID Gen 2 debuted. The primary reason Minecraft became a big thing in HoloID is because Moona is an architect... In the game anyway, idk about irl. Her hashtag was "MoonArchitect". She was the main planner for ID, while the other girls just did their assignments or added onto what Moona planned. EN's main planner (imo that's Ame) unfortunately wasn't that into the game like Moona still is.
@@Grond_XIII That happened about a month or 2 after Moona started playing MC. In that short time, she went from not knowing what a crafting table is to making hidden staircases using redstone, something no one even in JP did at the time. It was the most advanced thing in the JP server when she made it, apart from TTT. She learned everything on her own, no one helped her. Even until now she's still learning the technical side of MC, because she loves stuff like that. But no one in EN has the same drive as her when it comes to the game.
I'm going to disagree with Kiara that EN could never host an EN Holo Cup. I think it's a good group project for EN to do by hosting an EN Holo Cup. I trust Fauna, Ame, and Ina could host an EN Holo Cup because they could come up with great ideas. In Minecraft, they're all excellent builders by experience. The rest of the EN and Holo staffs could help them too.
well, tbh, EN could never hold such a thing because one thing. They have no sense of unity, like they cant find a reason to do such a thing like found a common interest to achieve a single goal because strong individualistic and different cultures. EN members are individualistic. they wont achieve much if they cant change this mentality. it was already proven sometime ago in minecraft when Fauna explaining some things but EN member simply pretend to listen or even dont listen at all. and Fauna already learned her lesson and she no longer care much about it. this mentality is what make EN wont be able to do such a big project like ID and JP. Anya almost never play Maincraft but for the sake of the common interest, she learned it for 4 days before joining the collab. Iofi has motion sickness but for the sake of common interest, force herself to participate, iofi made some small sacrifice here for common interest. for EN, as long as they have this mentality of doing whatever they can for the common interest, they will be able to hold a big project. but if their sense of individualism are still strong, then expect bothing from them.
big problems like timezones and coordination are major factors. ESPECIALLY the latter. notice in nearly every EN collab in minecraft the 'tardwranglers' as i like to call the Leaders, are often having a hard time coordinating and rallying the EN members involved (most famous example is Fauna). not even in Minecraft, take for example the recent Pokemon tournament. that kind of uncoordinated stuff rarely happens in JP and ID since its much, MUCH easier for them to unite and rally under one leader and coordinate together. Unity, Coordination, and Motivation. Sad to say that these 3 crucial factors is kinda lacking in EN.
Ada fans ID ngeledek EN malas buat event, dia bilang gitu karena ada fans EN bilang permainan Tag Of War terlalu membosankan waktu member holo lagi latihan dan emang kelamaan sih game Tag Of War pas latihan tapi bgitu pertandingan dimulai ga terlalu lama karena team vs team. Nah masalahnya ini fans ID bilang HoloEN malas buat event festival padahal mereka bingung mau buat event apa, orang tiap member EN berasal dr negara yg berbeda...
Kita tidak pernah membandingkan jp/id/en. Tapi talent nya sendiri yang berpendapat seperti itu. Kita kan cuman nonton pendapat dan opini mereka. Sekali lagi kita ga ngebandingin Lo 😅
Things like Minecraft sports is too much for EN...like time wise and all that...then there's the EN Curse too... knowing them the girls are just gonna stress themselves out if what they want didn't go as plan so yeah I'm fine if they dont held a competition like other branch...or they can do other games that's not Minecraft 🙏
The problem with EN branch was, they have no interest, will / intention to achieve a common goal. Their individualistic is too strong attributed to their different timezones and cultures. JP have the same timezone and culture, so they able to achieve a common goal. ID also pretty much in the same timezone and pretty much have same culture in a way so they also able to achieve a common goal. in ID side, Anya rarely play MC, even she practiced for only 4 days before joining the grand opening server to build ID's server landmark in MC. Iofi has motion sickness and cant stand playing MC for too long, but under the same interest to achieve the same goal, they can work together. EN doesnt have this mentality. just remember the matter about Faufau explaining things, other member simply pretend to listen or even dont listen at all. Faufau has reached the point that she doesnt even care anymore. so yeah, EN will never achieve something as long as this kind of mentality with strong individualistic never change.
Sadly but its so true. They used to be salty and ignore stuff than listening other people or "grinding" and it just matter of time until that individualistic mentality hit them. Idk but based on that EN development pretty much hit the wall rn. Comparing to ID JP which is they keep exploring and learning
Let me a bit honest here: so often you only call out their individuality and in several replies (at least indirectly) dismissed the other factors and your comment about pretending to listen (you realize that people could simply forget stuff again after beeing told, especially if it is overwhelming?). It really lets your comment (because basically repeated that much) really look negative and as if putting the EN girls down and blaming them. Basically these traits they have are bad flaws they should change because it is something they shouldnt do/be, aka like beeing lazy or beeing unhealthy etc. There are not just the points of individuality and unity. They are united in their own way, they are simply busy, have partly GREATLY differing timezones and then put on top of it that Minecraft is not a game they love with all their hearts. No one among them (not even Fauna) has the love and time for minecraft to do all ideas she might have. That isnt bad at all, they are simply different with different games and things they like, but all your comments let it look like, that beeing different (in such a way or even in general) is such a bad thing. Despite it beeing just a part of many reasons.
@@TheGameleader5000 like I said, they have no sense of unity to achieve a common goal. Iofi who cant stand playing Maincraft because it caused her to be motion sicknesss can do it, why EN who have no problem can't do it? they dont like it, did Iofi like it? no. did Anya like it? no, she never play maincraft in stream, then why they can do it but EN cant? because they DONT WANNA DO A SACRIFICE. busy? do you think everyone arent busy? If each of them are busy and cant do stuff together, then why not do it partially, divide their role? ID can do it, why EN cant? united in their own way? what kinda of way? if they are united, they at least can make their own branch exclusive event that is held annually, it's been 3 years already, HoloIDCup was held 2 years ago, with 'Undokai' as precedent, they only have 6 members, half of them have no interest in MC and now it's held annually. it doesnt have to be maincraft stuff, but they dont have it right? they have more members even but cant sit together to think of what kind of stuff that they can organize together and be held annually, to show it to other branch that 'look, we can also do it'. JP and ID have their own branch exclusive event that is held annually. if even after all of the these precedents, EN doesnt make anything exclusive to them that can be held annually. then there is no need to comment, they simply dont wanna make one, they have no motivation and dont wanna sacrifice their 'busy time' thinking that only they are the busiest branch.
heh, there is no need to beautifying them, each branch have their own flaw, none of them are perfect either. giving them excuses like 'being busy' feels ridiculous, thinking that everyone isnt busy and they are the busiest one.
i agree but also disagree with kiara, i honestly do think EN COULD do a big Event like this & ARE ABLE to do this, but, aside from Timezones being an issue & everything being spontaneous like previous MC streams (& introverted lol), the problem is most of ENs interests in MC is not there, members like calli & kiara, & kiara called out calli for it, are just too busy to sit there, build & plan it, especially since it takes calli a month to play MC again so she has to relearn MC every time she does play, even if calli's track record on builds and projects is pretty good on MC, then kiara, she just hates building, she finds it boring as a stream and to herself, maybe if its a collab but even then she won't, she would want something like an adventure to add to it, make it worth a stream, so she's not getting far on that project, ame and gura can barely finish their own projects let alone stay focus to play MC for that long to plan a big event, remember ame's fun house, gura's hunted house, or even ame saying she will blow up PPP cuz their are other & better farms, then with ina, she just burned herself out on MC & she's pretty much done with it, she did everything she wanted, then councilrys only has fauna, aside from bunkeronii, none of them play mc that much, if not, at all, nor has gotten far to do anything big, even the new advent girls don't play MC as much either from what i heard, nerissa likes building in MC but other then that, she doesn't care for the whole game, she's a Terraria girl mostly from what i know
I genuinely wonder how much all the cavemEN jokes and constant negative comparison contributes to keeping EN away from minecraft. Like everyone rightfully understands that comparing things like viewers or subscribers is a bad thing to do but somehow nobody ever questions if constantly going "haha look at how stupid and pathetic the ENs are their builds are so worthless and pointless compared to the IDs or JPs" might be a bit of a dick move. Even the idea of them trying to do something is kind of treated like "look the monkey picked up a hammer he thinks he's people"
Frankly, EN are more along the lines of the medieval age considering they had a good number of farms going and had actual structures built. I've noticed that some of the ID fanbase get this inflated and delusional sense of superiority that they can't help but keep demeaning the EN. Doesn't help that alot of clippers keep putting the caveman Spongebob in the thumbnail whenever the subject gets brought up.
@@acedias12I know who you're talking about, and they're not ID. You just think so coz their pfp is Kaela, but that guy only clips EN. The SpongeBob caveman joke is due to the EN girls themselves saying "we're cavemen!" a lot when looking at the ID server. Frankly, if they got hurt by a joke they themselves started, then my god are they sensitive. It's true that of the 3 servers they're the cavemen. They can't use inexperience as an excuse when Moona was so noob in Minecraft that she was made fun of for not even knowing how to make a crafting table. Yes, within a year she went from _that_ to being NPC Moona. EN just isn't that interested in Minecraft, and that's okay. What's not okay is you not seeing that and blaming other people.
@@acedias12why you blaming ID when most of EN and JP also do the same, meanwhile it's EN girls themselves who starting this whole comparing themselves and feel inferior and praising other branch like what Kiara did in this video and make joke about them being caveman etc, they also seem okay and not make a big deal about it. You just throw ID fanbase under the bus to fuel hate and drama.
One simple solutions for EN member that can bring them back to play minecraft again: Allow them to use 'Creative Mode' in their server. (just like Nijisanji EN) So that they can build anything they want so easily and fast without spending much time on grinding the materials.(especially when they has no time or busy) And make it optional for other ID and JP if they want to use Creative mode or not. The thing is.. i dont know if Mane chan would allow them to use creative mode in their minecraft server. 😞
I think they do it just because a lot of fans would be upset about them randomly using creative mode, I guess just because it (maybe) removes a lot of the fun/challenge. NijiEN only started using creative mode because their server got corrupted due to an oopsie; everyone agreed that they got a pass in order to rebuild everything without losing their minds. That said, I think it should ultimately be up to the talents and not necessarily the management, which currently seems to be the case...
@@LunarCrusadewho needs kaela when i have creative mode. I could even have infinite amount of netherite blocks with creative mode. I can even build metropolis building or city with infinite amount of netherite blocks with creative mode. I can even finish it in 1-2 days with creative mode while it doesnt takes 1 week or 3 month or 1 year.. So yeah score 100 for creative mode than Kaela.
Creative mode kills passion. I've seen it time and time again. There's just a different sense of fulfillment when you gather and build everything on your own.
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The biggest issue I see is that most of EN never finish the MC projects they start and then they end up playing so infrequently that they get intimidated by it and start comparing themselves to the other branches. Fauna has her tree, but doesn't seem to have a clear vision for it and doesn't look at other builds or guides despite being the one to make a bunch of farms, none of her homes are complete either. Kronii had the bunkeronii and now has her castle, but she rarely plays and built it in a place that is making it a lot more work. Mumei, has her treehouse from a guide and her owl but admits to being overwhelmed. Bae, has a couple dirt houses and a creeper farm, her "new" house on the EN server has made no progress. IRyS really seems to lack the drive to build and prefers to just mine. Ame has put in a bunch of work and built a lot but she only really plays in bursts, needing to be particularly inspired to play. Calli refused to play for like an entire year or more but seems a bit more open if it is a collab. Ina can build if she can get herself together on a day she's not exhausted and focus but that has been difficult. Gura, also has flashes of inspiration but is often followed by poor health and overwork. I think they just need guides to follow to build up confidence and actually complete projects and if more people play the others will often want to join in.
some update about calli: after kaelashin provided her materials to build stuff, calli actually enjoys MC nowadays cuz she hated the grind stuff before
she even did multiple MC streams this year already, even as solo streams with some sudden short collabs via "open VC" here and there x)
does most en didnt know that moona start playing minecraft just building a bridge? maybe they should just start slowly just chill,
It’s not that they compare themselves to other branches per se, it is who chat often tells them to go to the other servers or use other people’s farms. In a recent Minecraft stream Kiara was trading for emeralds at Phoenixton and someone told her to go to Fauna’s raid farm. Kiara built Phoenixton with her IRL Mom of course it would be a sentimental build for her. Be a bit considerate of her feelings. When chat often puts down your own builds, you are going to lose motivation to build anything or finish anything. It was worse in the early days when chat would ALL CAPS and spam the girls how they were building things wrong AND give conflicting info between Java and Bedrock. Probably one of the reasons why Kiara prefers the adventure part of Minecraft, less complicated, easier to understand, and exciting, but sadly that is going to limit her Minecraft streams to only when there is new content in Minecraft.
i don't think haft of EN even finished a project, & whats funny about calli, the first year and haft, she has built more and finished projects more then ame and gura, which says a lot, now calli is more in to it after a bit of fomo like kiara was, Now she'll join in on events, and speaking of kiara, kiara doesn't even do much anymore on MC cuz she hates building in any game cuz she finds it very boring & boring as a stream, she like the adventure aspects of MC, but since theirs not a lot she can do now, she's just chilling, the best she could do is join MC events like this, or the upcoming Summerfest in MC sometime soon, maybe with calli and the girls, maybe the new girls too then you have council who barely did much aside from the bunker, now its just fauna who is carrying the server with farms and so, & from what i heard, none of the new girls played MC, & if they have, not that much, i know nerissa likes building but everything else idt she cares about, which says a lot about EN lol
@@HadirUntukAnda Moona's situation is pretty interesting, back then she was shy and seemed don't have much confidence in her activities like she didn't know what she is good at or what she was supposed to do in Hololive. But then MC really triggers her creative side, Iofi once said that it is good that Moona finally found something she is really good at, and her PekoMoon episodes cement that MC is not only a simple game for her.
karna branch JP dan ID punya tradisi masing2 utk merayakan lomba di event tertentu. JP basicnya adalah sport fes antar murid sekolah aka undokai yg lumrah bgt di jepang sana. sedangkan ID sudah jelas 17 agustusan makanya keduanya bisa rayain sport fes dgn dasarnya masing2. nah, EN ini yg susah. kendala mereka itu penyebaran tiap member yg ujung2nya berurusan dgn time zone. sama menurutku ditambah budayanya yg blm tentu sama tiap member jadi utk merayakan sport fes tidak ada dasarnya utk merayakan apa (well, alasan ini mungkin terkesan ngasal dan ga logis. tpi menurutku ini bisa jadi pertimbangan). lalu masalah utama: NIAT
Kalo untuk dasar mereka bisa ngehost event buat yg lebih umum kyk rumah hantu Halloween, karnaval natal atau sejenisnya, tapi yah EN sendiri nggk begitu banyak yg aktif Minecraft dibanding JP atau ID jadi bakal lebih susah.
ga juga ah
Bener banget sih kalo gak niat ya gabisa, tapi semoga aja jadi meningkat kualitas EN member dengan adanya holo Advent itu
mereka bisa bikin event Halloween dan Christmas
Lebih tepatnya belum ada yang mampu buat event dan menjadi host nya.
Untuk JP sport fes gila sih, kualitas makin meningkat dari tahun ke tahun, untuk ID jg banyak improvement tahun ini
berharap semoga kelak EN juga punya event mereka sendiri.. biar event di hololive makin beragam dan seru
I think Holo EN never make big project, maybe because they are not in the same country and have different timezone, so it's a bit difficult to collab for making event together. It's not like JP or ID with same timezone they are more easy to collab, even ID is more easy to IRL Collab.
its not just cuz of time zones, a lot of it is spontaneous, & a lot of it comes down to interests, as well as EN being busy with other stuff, like for example, calli, kiara even calls her out on it for being too busy, if she wasn't then she wouldn't have to relearn the controls and game everytime she plays it on stream, then you have some of EN, like ame or gura, who are straights up just lazy to build, remember ame's fun house idea or her saying she wants to blow up PPP cuz others had better farms, cuz im still waiting lol
en group minecraft stream falls under these categories: 1) fish and zatsudan, 2) adventure, goes around in boat and not building anything, 3) want to build something huge project after seeing other branch's build, but realize it will take time, effort and planning and give it up immediately.
I think they just got intimidated by long term project and don't know where to start. And plus they don't like to research thing and plan before hand. Which is understanderable, give most member have a tight schedule doing other more important project. So en group member tend to avoid research heavy or project that require prior planning. Probably need to start with smaller and less ambitious build to build their confidence and understand it;s okay for thing to take time and not everything has to finish immediately. MC stream is effectively a zatsudan stream with activity on the side and some time spontaneous off collab. But some time en folks just dislike minecraft, which is fine.
Ame has the most potential to set up an event but she doesn't really like minecraft that much. Kiara too, but since she's EU it'll be hard for her to get help from the others
EN server has to hold a big event.
The most important thing is just the concept.
For everything about resources, manpower, technical engineers, I'm sure the members of JP and ID will be happy to help if EN feels lacking.
Because for events like sports festivals, in the end what we are looking for is the collab moment of Hololive members.
And it was very memorable and fun for the members and the viewers.
I hope one day EN Minecraft server would held a big event too. It doesn't have to be sport's event, it could be just like festival or something like that.
I hope too but the thing is EN is split to multiple country making it hard to find something similiar imo, maybe Thanksgiving day?
I hope advent can help EN for Minecraft
I Hope we have Halloween event in minecraft
jousting
@@infernalinfinity5391 from the looks of things not a single Advent member played MC before.
Bikin event di Minecraft itu sebenernya rumit dan butuh banyak waktu, apalagi kalo banyak mod begini. Dari planning, building, meng-invite/kontak2 member yg mau ikut, dll. Beberapa member HoloID kadang "ngeluh"/curhat kalo mereka punya banyak PR di bulan Agustus, salah satunya karena event Minecraft mereka. Saat membuat venue event nya kadang mereka juga agak malas gimana gitu. Jadi mungkin ini salah satu penyebab kenapa EN ga pernah ngadain event mereka sendiri, selain ga ada pendorong budaya dan time zone yg beda-beda. Mereka tau siapin event Minecraft ribet butuh waktu panjang dan effort besar, apalagi kalo member2nya jarang main Minecraft dan belum terlalu paham Minecraft (kecuali Fauna).
I understand how kiara thought of that, but now EN have Shiorin and Nerissa which used play minecraft creative (based on kaela story about chat with them) so maybe EN can caught up in the future😊
I saw a lot of KFP start to mention in the chat for EN to make Hunger Games like arena (by hiring modder ofc), and I personally like that idea 👍.
Man, imagine, just imagine if they added Create Mod to their servers.... All the possibilities.
The JP girls would probably build complex traps and war machines, the ID girls would surely advance their server to 3000 years in the future, and the EN girls would finally learn how to open a coconut.
Permissions Hell unfortunately, so highly unlikely to happen. in fact its surprising a few JPs like Miko managed to use some mods albeit very brief.
I do like how ID started integrating Mods into their Minecraft Servers
Yup, as long they can get the permission to some stuff they can go wild to unleash their creativity.
it's different server i think. like they prepared a different server that specifically used for ID sport festival.
@@LiliaIxalia It is, what he means actually they can get permission to integrate some mods at Minecraft for that events
@@LiliaIxaliaYes it is. IIRC JP Holomen have mentioned the management prepared for them a special server for special events. It was first used for the Holo Sports Fest.
Jp:anime and game Japan
Id:Budaya,Lokal,Fantasy
Well this is hololive man.. I think EN capable to do some event too, even if they must be helped by any other branch.. See the holomatsuri fest in minecraft, its not only the JP branch who build many games inside the event.. Even many from other branch also participate to build some show/games inside the fest..i think ID branch who expert on minecraft like Moona, Kaela, Olie will gladly to help the EN branch if they ask for some help to held any festivals..
EN is more in individual culturaly while ID is more communal culturaly. Because of this their relation with fans also different, EN between talent with fans is basicaly entertainer and her fans, while in ID between talent with fans is more like community that is why person like Yuba or Arkana exist can exist in ID. Because the different culture is also impacted the member differently, in EN it will be hard to have a leader since every member strong in their own individualist idea, while in ID is more easy as long as they have common purpose/goal or interest because it much more easy for the member to put their ego individualistic aside for greater good of community.
They just simply coming from different culture at the first place, one coming from West that emphasized individuality and other from Indonesia that emphasized more family oriented in real life.
lol, what a bunch of bullshit
Where there is a will, there is a way.
Nothing is impossible for a willing heart.
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
It's not just for MC, it needs not to be MC, it can be anything, everything.
I hope Holo Advent will bring a new fresh air to EN server
Mumpung ada olympic 2024 siapa tau mau bikin vanue jg EN branch, ada lagi event olahraga 😂
2:56 thats an Briliant Idea, caveman sport. Just if they really need to make it real event. Imagine Caveman sport being survival sport like run from dinosaur, or like indiana jones survival. I really love that FR FR
You're thinking about hunger gamers mate and that's a good idea
EN really needs a dedicated MC player in their lineup if they want to improve the condition of the EN server. Someone on the level of popular servers like HC or Empires, because it is gonna be a huge task to get everyone of them motivated.
fauna
@@valdojrmy fauna is a good builder, but not yet at that level. we need someone who knows the mechanics of the game to be able to make stuff like minigames. so far no one in EN has done anything like that.
@@TunesByAI2024maybe bijou can be one
Kalau emang niat, EN sebenarnya bisa bisa aja buat event minecraft sendiri, minta uang ke yagoo untuk hire outsourcing untuk masalah teknis kayak bikin mod mod seperti event ID, nanti untuk tema dan konsepnya biarin EN yang buat 😅😅😅
JP server: Great individual projects, but no coherent theme. Most just stands on a flat plane.
ID server: Amazing builds plus thematic consistency. Complete world building.
EN server: It pays more attention to theme and terrain than JP, but not as much as ID. But most of all it just has WAY fewer playing hours invested than JP or ID.
Really the core to get a server "big" is to have a devoted group of friends that just likes to hang out in MC. EN had it a little while with Myth and then with Council, but it was never as intense as ID and they have fewer members and shorter streams than JP back in the great Kenzetsu days.
I disagree. I think EN has the potential to build really amazing stuff and can rival JP and ID. Its just that EN chat during the girls’ early days in Minecraft tended to have some hardcore Minecraft players who spammed the girls on how they were building things wrong. And then there was the conflicting info from chat between Bedrock and Java mechanics that confused and frustrated the girls further. Then when EN and JP servers were connected, the girls were spammed to just farm in JP server and ignore their own builds. That kind of kills any motivation the EN girls would have to continue making their own builds since JP is better according to chat, hence the long Minecraft hiatus after the EN - JP server connect. If EN chat could be a bit more encouraging and turn the building sessions of the EN girls into more relaxed enjoyable chatting streams and stop indirectly comparing them with others by telling them to use this or that farm, perhaps they can be encouraged to start building more. Thank God for Kaela though, her patience for collabing with EN in Minecraft and her understanding of how little their experience is with the game and patiently teaching them, is slowly drawing the girls back, also collabs helps to prevent the girls from reading discouraging comments in chat and helps to keep their motivation up. Can anyone else see why most of EN prefers collabing in Minecraft rather than solo stream? Let’s be real, why play a game where every stream you are called a noob and caveman and this or that person’s build is better than yours?
we never compare about jp/id/en. But the talent itself who says it and we viewers only watch their opinion 😅
EN has Fauna! The mother nature who building civilization and economic. We can count on her.
The 3rd gen has potential also. I'm sure they will evolve to next level.
EN making the sports festival would be so funny to see though!
It would be chaotic lol
Emang nih Phoenix gk sungkan dan ragu" buat bikin statement, bahkan untuk branch nya sendiri :v
Salah satu sifat yg ane suka darinya, cuma emang rada riskan aja.
Kalo viewers menanggapi nya, secara baperan wkwk
Kiara memang blak2an orangnya... makanya ada aja hatersnya...
@@topazokenni4869wkwk bener. haters kiara kebanyakan orng yg cuma tau dia dr clip
Lagi asik2 main badminton aja langsung nodong Kaela 🤣🤣🤣, Kiara mah apa aja dibahas, dia paling ga demen silent awkward moment.
Itu yg bikin suka dari Kiara, dia ga jaim dan apa ada nya, mirip Nijisanji aplg dia bisa mencairkan suasana, tp her wording suka jd bumerang dijadiin bahan sama anti. Bhkn ada yg baper sm statement Kiara yg ini dan mau belain EN tp ga mau keliatan nyerang Kiara sbg EN member jd diplintir komen nyinyir nya ke ID.
id very surprising 😂
because our (Indonesia) nenek. moyang need to build Candi for wedding proposal
My suggestion: EN can make fireworks festival 🎉🎉 I know that sounds too simple but, if EN can make somekind of special letters fireworks, that would be awesome 😮 some helps from ID n JP to amplify the project would be nice ✌️
Make a royale battle, its simple, but with different terrain
it's not like all id girls are that enthusiastic or great at mc either, you can prob count them on one hand,
Moona, Ollie, Reine, Kaela, just four out of nine
Tbf though Kaela counts for like 10 people
Risu. But she prefers to play it offline.
and yet when it comes down to it the ID branch's unity and coordination is so good they can even rival JP. I've yet to see branch-wide unity and coordination of that level in EN when it comes to big events
we never compare about jp/id/en. But the talent itself who says it and we viewers only watch their opinion. 😅
caveman sport www....that's might be interesting festival tho ww
enaknya JP sama ID mereka masih satu daerah semuah. sedangkan EN mencar ada yang di amerika ada yang australia, ada yang di austria,dll
Kalo mau mah EN PAS HARI PERGANTIAN TAHUN
Bisa minta tolong 2 npc holoid si buat bantu2 build, tinggal ngonsep aja, terus kerjain kalo butuh bantuan ya tinggal minta tolong id or jp,
nonono, I would like to see this caveman sport festival tbh
All the hololive members can do a Friendly match every month for soccer in MC , please
EN sports festival is just seeing who can survive the longest on Hardcore mode with health regeneration turned off
Cavemen sports seems fun ngl ~ lol
Komentar nya berbobot semua. Semoga aja member EN melihatnya untuk menjadikan komentar ini sebagai saran dan ucapan dukungan
I think EN can make a WORLD CUP, like a PON in Indonesia. But player time and resource in EN it's a problem. I hope EN can make the Minecraft Event In the future.
Honestly, I prefer to watch the MC content of the JP branch, the girls always find some way to entertain.. instead EN. It's like they're not very interested in MC... at first they were seen trying to play but once they were consolidated they let us see that they didn't like MC very much
I heard holo EN gen 3 has amazing minecraft builder
Shiori? Because i know the other 4 has no experience in MC.
@@TunesByAI2024Personally I'm looking at Bijou. I'm hoping she becomes EN's Moona: started off not knowing anything, is now seen as an expert.
@@HudaefCares i just found she modded undertale for stream. she definitely could be the one.
@@TunesByAI2024 Kaela revealed both Nerissa and Shiori played Minecraft before. but the most potential for minecraft that she (and everyone) is anticipating is from Bijou
EN Kekurangan pemain Minecraft yang Pro, Bang Yagoo tolong di Scout 😆
Itu NPC 2 wth 😂
as far as i know, the one constantly doing minecraft in EN branch is fauna, kronii, ame, was ina does MC often?
Kronii, Ame and Ina largely stopped playing Minecraft regularly nowadays. its Fauna and the occasional Kiara who keeps the EN side of minecraft affairs still alive
actually... cavemen sports sounds plausible LOL why do you need over the top events when two branches already have them? One branch should brace that cavemen-ship and be proud of it too LOL. It's okay 👌🏽 I believe in EN ability too!
man I kinda hate that they are keep feels this inferiority in minecraft or any other game. I mean the pokemon unite event proved that they can do it well if they try to improve themselves. I got it this is more complex since they need somekind of work map idea and pretty much whole EN comes from diverse nationality and tradition around the world, but if they planned this at least a year before the event they want to make then I'm pretty sure it will be as fantastic as JP and ID event
EN could make superbowl and rugby mod. They could hire ID too wether material/build, like sana's tower.
Hopely advent could bring fresh air on EN mc server.
Welp, it's up to them. No pressure
it's a bit out of bound I guess. based on Ollie's statement, big project like sport festival need a careful planning, you need to make proposal and stuff and submit them to the management. and since it's 'EN Branch Official Event', then the actual stuff need to be done by EN member themselves, if not, it'd be self-defeating and no longer an 'EN Exclusive Event'.
as for the details, dunno but pretty much 'Branch Exclusive Event' like 'Undokai' in JP server and 'HoloIDCup' in ID server are exclusive event to their branch, planning and stuff were done by themselves.
@@LiliaIxalia indeed, based on 1st id sportfes, the whole event itself must be made/planned by write a proposal (what kind of activity, who participate, time, etc, etc).
Maybe i mixed undokai and jp summer fes here (like back then when kaela gave botan box of gravel), my mistake.
The problem with the way Hololive did the minecraft servers is that they threw EN to the wolves so to speak by putting them on their own server right off the bat. No one in EN had a lot of experience, if any, with minecraft when they were given their server. Sure, Ina and Ame are good enough gamers to figure it out and learn on their own, but you really need to be taught by someone who really loves the game enough to pass along the passion for it. Like Moona had with Pekora because ID started on the JP server. Moona then passed her passion on to the rest of ID, especially when they got their own server. EN never had anyone who really loved the game enough to inspire anyone else to play a lot. Ame builds solo. Ina is mostly solo when building, except for the Onsen (Cali) and fishing hut (Reine). Gura has the interest but not the attention span or knowledge. Kiara's mom had a lot to teach Kiara, but she would spend those collabs with the zoomies and wouldn't pay attention (kinda like reading). Council had Sana and Kronii who didn't have much experience, but again, were able to figure things out yet mostly built solo. Fauna had, by far, the most experience coming in to the game, but she was a speed runner, not a builder. Finally they started to let everyone visit each other's servers and it's like the EN rednecks showing the big city folk their collection of sheds. Now they are a bit intimidated by all the talent and knowledge in the other branches.
What they really need are some folks from the other branches to take their hands and make them do some Minecraft collabs. (the reason I say "make" is because they are going to be too shy to do so on their own and if EN decides what to build, it will be too modest for them to really learn anything. But I would really hate for them to feel forced. I just don't know how to word it better).
I think IRyS and Kaela would make a good collab as IRyS likes the mining and they do tend to overlap steam times more often than not. Gura did promise both Moona and Kaela minecraft collabs at some point, but Gura has been crazy busy since then.
EN just lack motivation and inspiration to start and finish some stuff, too easy to get overwhelmed also probably related to the culture they have. While ID like they can do things on their own as long they got the permission since most of their culture related to self-taught so it just matter of time until they mastered the games.. Mostly *imo
ID members were beginners in MC when they started. Heck, Moona didnt even know how to make a crafting table when she first played. Being in the JP server is no help to her because she can't speak nihongo, and it actually isolated her even more because Risu and Iofi can. You can see how awkward she was when the ID trio had their first collab with JP, so she mostly just played on her own. It also didnt help that Risu and Iofi never really liked the game in the beginning for their own reasons. But Moona really liked the game, and it triggered her imagination. That's the most important thing in MC. You need to like it, because you will get bored if you don't.
@@TunesByAI2024 did you miss the entire Peko-Moon arc?
The only reason the ID girls started in the JP server was because making a server for 3 people (of which 2 weren't that interested at the time) is dumb. The ID server was made a few months after ID Gen 2 debuted.
The primary reason Minecraft became a big thing in HoloID is because Moona is an architect... In the game anyway, idk about irl. Her hashtag was "MoonArchitect". She was the main planner for ID, while the other girls just did their assignments or added onto what Moona planned. EN's main planner (imo that's Ame) unfortunately wasn't that into the game like Moona still is.
@@Grond_XIII That happened about a month or 2 after Moona started playing MC. In that short time, she went from not knowing what a crafting table is to making hidden staircases using redstone, something no one even in JP did at the time. It was the most advanced thing in the JP server when she made it, apart from TTT. She learned everything on her own, no one helped her. Even until now she's still learning the technical side of MC, because she loves stuff like that. But no one in EN has the same drive as her when it comes to the game.
I'm going to disagree with Kiara that EN could never host an EN Holo Cup. I think it's a good group project for EN to do by hosting an EN Holo Cup. I trust Fauna, Ame, and Ina could host an EN Holo Cup because they could come up with great ideas. In Minecraft, they're all excellent builders by experience. The rest of the EN and Holo staffs could help them too.
well, tbh, EN could never hold such a thing because one thing.
They have no sense of unity, like they cant find a reason to do such a thing like found a common interest to achieve a single goal because strong individualistic and different cultures. EN members are individualistic. they wont achieve much if they cant change this mentality.
it was already proven sometime ago in minecraft when Fauna explaining some things but EN member simply pretend to listen or even dont listen at all. and Fauna already learned her lesson and she no longer care much about it.
this mentality is what make EN wont be able to do such a big project like ID and JP.
Anya almost never play Maincraft but for the sake of the common interest, she learned it for 4 days before joining the collab. Iofi has motion sickness but for the sake of common interest, force herself to participate, iofi made some small sacrifice here for common interest. for EN, as long as they have this mentality of doing whatever they can for the common interest, they will be able to hold a big project.
but if their sense of individualism are still strong, then expect bothing from them.
big problems like timezones and coordination are major factors. ESPECIALLY the latter.
notice in nearly every EN collab in minecraft the 'tardwranglers' as i like to call the Leaders, are often having a hard time coordinating and rallying the EN members involved (most famous example is Fauna). not even in Minecraft, take for example the recent Pokemon tournament. that kind of uncoordinated stuff rarely happens in JP and ID since its much, MUCH easier for them to unite and rally under one leader and coordinate together.
Unity, Coordination, and Motivation. Sad to say that these 3 crucial factors is kinda lacking in EN.
cavemen sports festival could be funny
Ada fans ID ngeledek EN malas buat event, dia bilang gitu karena ada fans EN bilang permainan Tag Of War terlalu membosankan waktu member holo lagi latihan dan emang kelamaan sih game Tag Of War pas latihan tapi bgitu pertandingan dimulai ga terlalu lama karena team vs team.
Nah masalahnya ini fans ID bilang HoloEN malas buat event festival padahal mereka bingung mau buat event apa, orang tiap member EN berasal dr negara yg berbeda...
Yg punya masalah siapa yg disalahin siapa,fans en sendiri yg emang banyak tuntutan ke member krn mereka ngerasa server en ketinggalan dari branch lain
Kita tidak pernah membandingkan jp/id/en. Tapi talent nya sendiri yang berpendapat seperti itu. Kita kan cuman nonton pendapat dan opini mereka. Sekali lagi kita ga ngebandingin Lo 😅
Things like Minecraft sports is too much for EN...like time wise and all that...then there's the EN Curse too... knowing them the girls are just gonna stress themselves out if what they want didn't go as plan so yeah I'm fine if they dont held a competition like other branch...or they can do other games that's not Minecraft 🙏
Just get one dedicated minecraft youtuber on the team
The problem with EN branch was, they have no interest, will / intention to achieve a common goal. Their individualistic is too strong attributed to their different timezones and cultures. JP have the same timezone and culture, so they able to achieve a common goal. ID also pretty much in the same timezone and pretty much have same culture in a way so they also able to achieve a common goal.
in ID side, Anya rarely play MC, even she practiced for only 4 days before joining the grand opening server to build ID's server landmark in MC. Iofi has motion sickness and cant stand playing MC for too long, but under the same interest to achieve the same goal, they can work together.
EN doesnt have this mentality. just remember the matter about Faufau explaining things, other member simply pretend to listen or even dont listen at all. Faufau has reached the point that she doesnt even care anymore. so yeah, EN will never achieve something as long as this kind of mentality with strong individualistic never change.
Sadly but its so true. They used to be salty and ignore stuff than listening other people or "grinding" and it just matter of time until that individualistic mentality hit them. Idk but based on that EN development pretty much hit the wall rn. Comparing to ID JP which is they keep exploring and learning
Let me a bit honest here: so often you only call out their individuality and in several replies (at least indirectly) dismissed the other factors and your comment about pretending to listen (you realize that people could simply forget stuff again after beeing told, especially if it is overwhelming?).
It really lets your comment (because basically repeated that much) really look negative and as if putting the EN girls down and blaming them. Basically these traits they have are bad flaws they should change because it is something they shouldnt do/be, aka like beeing lazy or beeing unhealthy etc.
There are not just the points of individuality and unity. They are united in their own way, they are simply busy, have partly GREATLY differing timezones and then put on top of it that Minecraft is not a game they love with all their hearts. No one among them (not even Fauna) has the love and time for minecraft to do all ideas she might have.
That isnt bad at all, they are simply different with different games and things they like, but all your comments let it look like, that beeing different (in such a way or even in general) is such a bad thing. Despite it beeing just a part of many reasons.
@@TheGameleader5000 like I said, they have no sense of unity to achieve a common goal. Iofi who cant stand playing Maincraft because it caused her to be motion sicknesss can do it, why EN who have no problem can't do it? they dont like it, did Iofi like it? no. did Anya like it? no, she never play maincraft in stream, then why they can do it but EN cant? because they DONT WANNA DO A SACRIFICE. busy? do you think everyone arent busy? If each of them are busy and cant do stuff together, then why not do it partially, divide their role? ID can do it, why EN cant? united in their own way? what kinda of way? if they are united, they at least can make their own branch exclusive event that is held annually, it's been 3 years already, HoloIDCup was held 2 years ago, with 'Undokai' as precedent, they only have 6 members, half of them have no interest in MC and now it's held annually. it doesnt have to be maincraft stuff, but they dont have it right? they have more members even but cant sit together to think of what kind of stuff that they can organize together and be held annually, to show it to other branch that 'look, we can also do it'. JP and ID have their own branch exclusive event that is held annually. if even after all of the these precedents, EN doesnt make anything exclusive to them that can be held annually. then there is no need to comment, they simply dont wanna make one, they have no motivation and dont wanna sacrifice their 'busy time' thinking that only they are the busiest branch.
heh, there is no need to beautifying them, each branch have their own flaw, none of them are perfect either. giving them excuses like 'being busy' feels ridiculous, thinking that everyone isnt busy and they are the busiest one.
Ya, the Flintstones fest
yg bikin macam tarik tambang, badminton itu staffnya ato member id?
commis jadi dibuatin, cuman desain tempat tema acara dll itu member yg bikin klo utak atik mod mah keknya member id belum nyampe situ wkwk
i agree but also disagree with kiara, i honestly do think EN COULD do a big Event like this & ARE ABLE to do this, but, aside from Timezones being an issue & everything being spontaneous like previous MC streams (& introverted lol), the problem is most of ENs interests in MC is not there, members like calli & kiara, & kiara called out calli for it, are just too busy to sit there, build & plan it, especially since it takes calli a month to play MC again so she has to relearn MC every time she does play, even if calli's track record on builds and projects is pretty good on MC, then kiara, she just hates building, she finds it boring as a stream and to herself, maybe if its a collab but even then she won't, she would want something like an adventure to add to it, make it worth a stream, so she's not getting far on that project, ame and gura can barely finish their own projects let alone stay focus to play MC for that long to plan a big event, remember ame's fun house, gura's hunted house, or even ame saying she will blow up PPP cuz their are other & better farms, then with ina, she just burned herself out on MC & she's pretty much done with it, she did everything she wanted, then councilrys only has fauna, aside from bunkeronii, none of them play mc that much, if not, at all, nor has gotten far to do anything big, even the new advent girls don't play MC as much either from what i heard, nerissa likes building in MC but other then that, she doesn't care for the whole game, she's a Terraria girl mostly from what i know
I genuinely wonder how much all the cavemEN jokes and constant negative comparison contributes to keeping EN away from minecraft. Like everyone rightfully understands that comparing things like viewers or subscribers is a bad thing to do but somehow nobody ever questions if constantly going "haha look at how stupid and pathetic the ENs are their builds are so worthless and pointless compared to the IDs or JPs" might be a bit of a dick move. Even the idea of them trying to do something is kind of treated like "look the monkey picked up a hammer he thinks he's people"
Frankly, EN are more along the lines of the medieval age considering they had a good number of farms going and had actual structures built. I've noticed that some of the ID fanbase get this inflated and delusional sense of superiority that they can't help but keep demeaning the EN. Doesn't help that alot of clippers keep putting the caveman Spongebob in the thumbnail whenever the subject gets brought up.
@@acedias12I know who you're talking about, and they're not ID. You just think so coz their pfp is Kaela, but that guy only clips EN.
The SpongeBob caveman joke is due to the EN girls themselves saying "we're cavemen!" a lot when looking at the ID server. Frankly, if they got hurt by a joke they themselves started, then my god are they sensitive.
It's true that of the 3 servers they're the cavemen. They can't use inexperience as an excuse when Moona was so noob in Minecraft that she was made fun of for not even knowing how to make a crafting table. Yes, within a year she went from _that_ to being NPC Moona.
EN just isn't that interested in Minecraft, and that's okay. What's not okay is you not seeing that and blaming other people.
@@acedias12why you blaming ID when most of EN and JP also do the same, meanwhile it's EN girls themselves who starting this whole comparing themselves and feel inferior and praising other branch like what Kiara did in this video and make joke about them being caveman etc, they also seem okay and not make a big deal about it. You just throw ID fanbase under the bus to fuel hate and drama.
One simple solutions for EN member that can bring them back to play minecraft again:
Allow them to use 'Creative Mode' in their server. (just like Nijisanji EN) So that they can build anything they want so easily and fast without spending much time on grinding the materials.(especially when they has no time or busy) And make it optional for other ID and JP if they want to use Creative mode or not.
The thing is.. i dont know if Mane chan would allow them to use creative mode in their minecraft server. 😞
I think they do it just because a lot of fans would be upset about them randomly using creative mode, I guess just because it (maybe) removes a lot of the fun/challenge. NijiEN only started using creative mode because their server got corrupted due to an oopsie; everyone agreed that they got a pass in order to rebuild everything without losing their minds.
That said, I think it should ultimately be up to the talents and not necessarily the management, which currently seems to be the case...
Who needs Creative Mode when you have Kaela
@@LunarCrusadewho needs kaela when i have creative mode. I could even have infinite amount of netherite blocks with creative mode.
I can even build metropolis building or city with infinite amount of netherite blocks with creative mode.
I can even finish it in 1-2 days
with creative mode while it doesnt takes 1 week or 3 month or 1 year.. So yeah score 100 for creative mode than Kaela.
I'll just put my comment here to see other's replies
Creative mode kills passion. I've seen it time and time again. There's just a different sense of fulfillment when you gather and build everything on your own.
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