It seems to be a truism that a creative person’s personality and their work are two totally different things. I often apply the ‘rule’ that the more I like the person, the less I like the work and vice-versa.
Thank you for all the effort that went into making this. It's important to bring up this subject because this personal part of Delius' life did have a profound effect on his artistic output. Not everything can be proved beyond a doubt, but it's obvious that Tasmin's love of his music and the man provides the main reason for exploring this certainly not insignificant part of Delius' history. One personal observation and question: Did anyone in the Florida Delius Society show a positive interest?
I know Im asking the wrong place but does any of you know a tool to get back into an Instagram account?? I stupidly lost the account password. I would love any assistance you can offer me
@Beau Jamie thanks for your reply. I got to the site on google and I'm waiting for the hacking stuff atm. I see it takes quite some time so I will reply here later with my results.
Andrew. I also received email notification that you wrote another comment in which you asked if we know for certain that she bore his child. That comment does not seem to have appeared, but I shall, nevertheless, answer it. No, we don't know for “certain” and we probably never will. However, in the documentary, Delius's amanuensis Eric Fenby is heard confirming that Delius's return trip to Florida was made in order to try to locate his child. Also, after I had written my article for DSJ, I received a letter from Stewart Manville. Stewart is the husband of Percy Grainger's widow, (the late Ella Grainger), in which he said, in part, that, “Ella and the Jacksonville ladies took Fred's Florida love relationship as quite to be expected, but that the child's mother did the right thing in not allowing its life to be disrupted. That his former sweetheart should disappear into her community was understandable for any number of additional reasons.” Now, as I'm sure you know, “news travels”, and gossip travels even faster. The “Jacksonville ladies” knew full well what was going on in their community, and they knew full well who was going with who, so to speak. You won't get better evidence than that!
Finally, Andrew, proof of a kind comes from a completely independent source. You may have noticed in the documentary that Tasmin says that she learned that the name of Delius's mistress was Chloe, but she doesn't say how she came by this knowledge. It would seem, as was brought to my attention by Tony Summers after I had written the article, that it actually appears in quite an unexpected place outside of the standard Delius literature. D.H. Lawrence was, as suggested by Phillip Heseltine who knew both Delius and Lawrence, thinking of settling in Delius's abandoned Florida plantation. The idea came to nothing, but T. E. Moore speculates in his biography of Lawrence that “perhaps Delius had no wish to let the Priest of Love take over the plantation that stood in the jungle, with warping shutters and collapsing roofs, like a symbol of the broken, lost love of one's youth - in Delius's case the quadroon girl Chloe.” Rather than asking if we know for certain the she bore his child, perhaps you should be asking why the subject is so conspicuously absent in biographies of Delius. Believe it or not, even in 2018, there are people around who simply “don't want it”!
It's also worth pointing out that it is unclear how T. E. Moore knew that the name of Delius's Florida sweetheart was Chloe. If anyone knows precisely how Moore came by this information, I would greatly appreciate it if they could tell me. Moore seems to be quite certain that this was her name, and it's the only reference and confirmation of her name that I can find in print. Therefore it would appear that Moore had obviously gleaned something from somewhere or t'other, so maybe there's some information out there somewhere that has either been suppressed or hasn't fully surfaced. Information gleaned from the Florida State census records reveal that her full name was Chloe Baker. If Eric Fenby tells us that Delius went back to Florida to find Chloe and his son, we can be sure that that's what happened. He wanted to bring them back to England, but I've no idea how that would have played out. Perhaps Chloe felt the same way, but the fact that Delius never found Chloe or his son was something that I don't think he ever fully recovered from, hence the sense of loss and longing that often pervades his music. As such, Tasmin Little's “attempts” are not at all facile, but totally legitimate!!!
@@LordoftheFleet I think Tasmin knows somewhat more than she's publicly letting on; either from Fenby himself, or what happened with the contacting of Inez (Delius presumed granddaughter). It is not credible that Tasmin would come alll that way and leave with just a 'Oh well, Inez didn't call back...'
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It seems to be a truism that a creative person’s personality and their work are two totally different things. I often apply the ‘rule’ that the more I like the person, the less I like the work and vice-versa.
I think she is spot on in her descriptions and intuition.
How can I get ahold of you ??? Is there an email, SMS, ???
Delius inspired a song by Kate Bush. She led me to discover his work and his interesting life.
HumanoidOrganism a song that lacks her usual quality
Thank you for all the effort that went into making this. It's important to bring up this subject because this personal part of Delius' life did have a profound effect on his artistic output. Not everything can be proved beyond a doubt, but it's obvious that Tasmin's love of his music and the man provides the main reason for exploring this certainly not insignificant part of Delius' history. One personal observation and question: Did anyone in the Florida Delius Society show a positive interest?
I know Im asking the wrong place but does any of you know a tool to get back into an Instagram account??
I stupidly lost the account password. I would love any assistance you can offer me
@Luciano Reginald instablaster ;)
@Beau Jamie thanks for your reply. I got to the site on google and I'm waiting for the hacking stuff atm.
I see it takes quite some time so I will reply here later with my results.
I'm pretty suspicious of facile attempts to link the biography of a composer to their music
Andrew. I also received email notification that you wrote another comment in which you asked if we know for certain that she bore his child. That comment does not seem to have appeared, but I shall, nevertheless, answer it. No, we don't know for “certain” and we probably never will. However, in the documentary, Delius's amanuensis Eric Fenby is heard confirming that Delius's return trip to Florida was made in order to try to locate his child. Also, after I had written my article for DSJ, I received a letter from Stewart Manville. Stewart is the husband of Percy Grainger's widow, (the late Ella Grainger), in which he said, in part, that, “Ella and the Jacksonville ladies took Fred's Florida love relationship as quite to be expected, but that the child's mother did the right thing in not allowing its life to be disrupted. That his former sweetheart should disappear into her community was understandable for any number of additional reasons.” Now, as I'm sure you know, “news travels”, and gossip travels even faster. The “Jacksonville ladies” knew full well what was going on in their community, and they knew full well who was going with who, so to speak. You won't get better evidence than that!
Finally, Andrew, proof of a kind comes from a completely independent source. You may have noticed in the documentary that Tasmin says that she learned that the name of Delius's mistress was Chloe, but she doesn't say how she came by this knowledge. It would seem, as was brought to my attention by Tony Summers after I had written the article, that it actually appears in quite an unexpected place outside of the standard Delius literature. D.H. Lawrence was, as suggested by Phillip Heseltine who knew both Delius and Lawrence, thinking of settling in Delius's abandoned Florida plantation. The idea came to nothing, but T. E. Moore speculates in his biography of Lawrence that “perhaps Delius had no wish to let the Priest of Love take over the plantation that stood in the jungle, with warping shutters and collapsing roofs, like a symbol of the broken, lost love of one's youth - in Delius's case the quadroon girl Chloe.”
Rather than asking if we know for certain the she bore his child, perhaps you should be asking why the subject is so conspicuously absent in biographies of Delius. Believe it or not, even in 2018, there are people around who simply “don't want it”!
It's also worth pointing out that it is unclear how T. E. Moore knew that the name of Delius's Florida sweetheart was Chloe. If anyone knows precisely how Moore came by this information, I would greatly appreciate it if they could tell me. Moore seems to be quite certain that this was her name, and it's the only reference and confirmation of her name that I can find in print. Therefore it would appear that Moore had obviously gleaned something from somewhere or t'other, so maybe there's some information out there somewhere that has either been suppressed or hasn't fully surfaced. Information gleaned from the Florida State census records reveal that her full name was Chloe Baker. If Eric Fenby tells us that Delius went back to Florida to find Chloe and his son, we can be sure that that's what happened. He wanted to bring them back to England, but I've no idea how that would have played out. Perhaps Chloe felt the same way, but the fact that Delius never found Chloe or his son was something that I don't think he ever fully recovered from, hence the sense of loss and longing that often pervades his music. As such, Tasmin Little's “attempts” are not at all facile, but totally legitimate!!!
@@LordoftheFleet I think Tasmin knows somewhat more than she's publicly letting on; either from Fenby himself, or what happened with the contacting of Inez (Delius presumed granddaughter). It is not credible that Tasmin would come alll that way and leave with just a 'Oh well, Inez didn't call back...'
In Delius's case his biography is an integral part of his development as a composer.