I actually saw and heard a lot of comments calling JS, SD and TW out together saying basically "this is a group of people in their 30s trying to take down a teenager". Also have seen a lot of people calling Shane out for trying to hide behind his "I'm an emo, innocent little boy persona" despite being a man over 30 years old. Regardless of specific age, these are all grown adults who should know better.
The point remains... She can't show receipts (legal issues) so convenient.. how about you wait to come with the accusations and blame when you can show the proof. She discredits her whole bye sister where she single handedly tried to destroy James. And let's not forget promote her vitamins ... She wants the credit for the rise of James. But not willing to own her part in the fall or take down of said person ... And now look jumping on the trending train of kicking the man already down .. we see you Tati. We got your number 👍
Yes. I agree. I once dated an older guy (37), and I (26 at the time which is not even that young in my eyes) was made to feel so invalidated and immature on multiple occasions. The trouble started when I called him out on his BS. He always complimented me based on how 'young' and 'attractive' I was in the beginning, but as soon as things went south..that was the first point if attack: my age and level of maturity (or lack thereof according to him). Men can be such condescending creatures.
exactly!! im 43 and guess what? 'Friends' still screw me over. Age has nothing to do with it. Your ability to be empathetic and want to help others doesn't disappear with age ....
Tati herself said she wanted to belong and be apart of the Beauty community, and admitted she saw what Jeffree was doing to other ppl but since he was nice to her she never thought he’d do anything to her. That mentality of “they’ve always been nice to me” was her downfall, Jeffree has always shown his true colors repeatedly, she befriended a Hyena and was surprised when he bit her.
I believe her Achilles is the fact she wants to have children and have difficult conceiving, she's been saying for many years that she's trying. She's always saying she wanted to take care of James, that she wanted to be a good influence and educate Jefrey, she was trying to be a mom to them.
That’s why she decided to go after her so called kid? Calling him a predator because of some vitamins? She didn’t seem to care about the mental state this 19 year old boy was in as a result of the drama. Is that a good mother? She is definitely a good mother... to those vitamins and her brand. No one else!
she's a manipulator and lied about James being a sexual predator and other stuff, she aint inocent and if people believe that she is then I lost braincels
she’s not a victim at all. She just wanted an excuse to do shitty things to people. We can’t go and do bad and said. “ I was manipulated” She has no evidence before and now she has no evidence either. Are we going to believe her that they force her? F her
tati never had drama before this. and she was racking in views, she didn’t need ‘fame’. she also never even said he was a predator, jeffree said that...
Literally anybody who hangs around j* gets burned He's the common denominator in every situation that occurs within the beauty community Shocked he's not losing more subscribers
Alissa also talked about the predatory behavior where Jake would convince girls he would bring them on to their (T10's) videos or hire them as models, etc. in order to sleep with them. That's such an abuse of the power dynamic and overall gross. Shane not only glossed over this bit of information, but still painted Jake as basically a hero by the end of the documentary.
Are we going to ignore the fact that Tati made serious acusations without proof because she was pety about vitamins? Great. I think she needs to hold herself accountable.
According to blair white who also heard the audio, and does consider it credible, she did have proof. Which only makes the video she just did all the more confusing to me.
@@11Angel33 I also saw that video and yeah it does seem fishy. But I still think she should have addressed James privately and done a little more digging before blowing things up.
Why do people keep saying all this drama is because of vitamins. And you’d know Tati’s vitamin business contributed a small part to all this drama if you even watched her the beginning of her video.
Honestly, I think these two men manipulate and gaslit Tati to make a video. Shane is only upset because his “brand” of being poor, depressed, and a good guy, is being broken down.
I always found it annoying when millionaires pretend to be poor to be relatable and blame their actions on mental illness like its justification or a shield.
Nah she’s not sweet and innocent either. I can see right through her. The way she manipulated her audience through her tears, her past traumas, her infertility, religion, and she took advantage of the fact that Jeffree and Shane are currently under a lot of hate. She said she never said James was a predator when in her “bye sister” video she told a story about her own experience with him for her birthday when they had dinner and how he was behaving towards the waiter. She literally said she witnessed this lol. She’s brushing it off and putting the blame on other people when in her video she spoke about her personal experiences with James. It’s not things she “heard” about him it was shit she supposedly witnessed. Her views have been bad lately and she even cried and complained about it on her story a little while ago. We all know Jeffree and Shane are bad but Tati isn’t innocent either.
@@ile2928 I have to unfortunately agree with this--she implicitly accused Shane of being a "fake empath" when she first met him; yet she spent the entirety of her video describing in detail about how "sensitive she is," and how she "feels so much an nobody understands," and she wanted to be a "role model" for both Jeffrey and James, and look at how much she loves charities and god, and her body is too weak for children, etc. It was just strange that she was suggesting Shane was deeply emotionally manipulative to make her believe whatever he wanted, and then she turns around and tries to deeply emotionally manipulate her audience into thinking whatever she wanted. Huh? That can't be an innocent soul.
He was upset on that live like any of you would be if a GROWN woman is playing victim and blaming others for her actions it’s fusterating and I would be pissed too
Only one that i kinda believe is james, dude came with proper proof and the dude who "assaulted" said the story goes differently and there was consent. Mere fact that she made the first video after james used different product and not hers, aka her last straw, makes it all really weird for me.
She dropped James and didn't want to be associated with him anymore, as he was potentially in trouble. She wanted to protect her brand and her business. The same is happening now with Jeffree and Shane. She didn't complain about the clicks her reviews on Jeffree Star cosmetics generated, did she? If she is so done with him, she should take down the videos. To me her video is not an apology, it is blaming other people for her bad decisions. Jeffree and Shane are not innocent IMO, don't get me wrong, but to state how much you love a person and then drop them in the blink of an eye, because they didn't only hurt you, but again potentially endangered your business, also speaks volumes. The only real victim is James Charles, as he trusted toxic people.
It wasn’t an apology video. People mistook it for that. She had already apologized to JC and Jackie. The video was to explain what had happened last year.
100%!!! I see her as an opportunist who jumps on trends and takes the side of the Victor. She enjoyed millions of videos last year at the expense of her so called “friend” James’ demise. Now that the crap has hit the fan a year later, she’s back on James side.
everything she said is true though, like if we gonna talk about age so much, how about comparing ourselves at the same age then. (but of course these whiny kids gonna blame it on the era and economy for their failure lol)
Im surprised you didn’t catch onto Tatis victim mentality? Ever since the first video I could tell she was extremely wrong and manipulative herself. She’s a backstabber.
I think more the reason people are using her age as a weakness is because she is partaking in such immature behaviour - as someone who is so put together, I feel as though she could have taken the high road instead of striking when they are down.
Even if people think that is the case, J* and Shane aren't that much younger than her, and yet people barely bring up their age as an insult. It was rich coming from Ryland especially. lmao
My only thing with Tati was why come out with this now? Why wait the whole year until the downfall was already happening to say something and act legally on it.
An ex friend of Jeffree’s came forward talking about how he’s a bad person and that he heard him on the phone with Shane talking bad about James Charles. This was before the drama, so the guy feels like Shane and Jeffree were behind it. Because of this, everyone went to Tati and demanded to hear her side
She would have been stupid to come out when jeffree and Shane were on the top of the world. And she came out now because people were speculating and talking about it In social media. Because of a video kam released about jeffree. He said he overheard him talking to shane on the phone and the Shane was cursing something about James.
Hi Shallon, I wanted to tell you about a time I was manipulated by a friend that still 8 years later I use as a life lesson. My "friend" had alienated me from all my other friends, she started seeing me more and more often, coming over everyday and if she was not over, she would invite me to her house. She slowly started dictating my life, who I should speak to, what I should wear and even who I should date! At the time I thought she was doing this because she was my friend and she cared about me. My family started noticing and warning me about her behavior but i just kept defending her and denying it. She would even get mad at me for the smallest things and stop talking to me but because I had shut everyone else out in my life, I kept apologizing to her and going back to her, which she would only accept if I came over with flowers or chocolates or another gift. Eventually, she met a guy and got engaged and I noticed that she would treat him horribly. He was a very nice guy and just took it. I kept watching for awhile and eventually I had enough and I started defending him and standing up for him because I couldn't take it anymore. This obviously did not sit well with her and she started making my life a living hell, like uninviting me to her birthday party, and leaving any whatsapp group chats I was in. She also, got her friends to stop being friends with me and delete me off of all socials. The last straw was her sending me the most hateful messages I have ever received in my life… I broke down and finally cut things off with her. After I stepped away, I was CLEARLY able to see how manipulative she was and how she was impacting my life in a negative way. I have been so peaceful and happier since our "friendship" broke off. I am now so careful in making sure that does not happen to me again. All the signs are there, we just need to keep our eyes open, recognize them and stop letting people manipulate us. I have learned so much from watching your videos and I am so thankful to have found your channel, please keep teaching and inspiring us
Tati looks younger than both and I think its crazy how men always throw it around when most look older . I don't know who told men that they age better but literally every couple I know the woman looks younger. Also tatis glow is goals omg 😍
Honestly I think Tati is the BIGGEST manipulater, she is the worse, she lied when she did the first video about Charles and always said she saw thing first hand and then denied it. What kind of “mother figure” would ever do that to someone she considered like a “son”. There was a no need for any of this to be public, but she did
She wasn't manipulated she was apart of the mess but is now trying to get herself out of it by throwing them under the bus. Tati is literally forty Shane and Jeffree didn't force her to use words that triggered a cancelling. People were calling him a predator because she said stuff like he goes after straight boys. Bye sister in the words of Tati many of us see through the bullshit
This is what I've been saying the whole time. She sat back, watched the fallout and calculated the best response and decided to play the pity/sympathy card.
09:43 - THIS breakdown was real! 28:01 - We've all been prone to manipulation Hun. It's worse when we feel we've let our guard down and become susceptible to it. However as you say, the growth from these experiences is imperative. Another fabulous video, loved the concept of framing our values too. Powerful content as always 🙏🏾
Tati isn’t sorry about James !! She’s sorry about her hair vitamins and Jeffree potentially having shares in morphe and their upcoming hair vitamins launch !!!!
Pablo Escobar's Search Bloc I don’t know why but if James let’s tati back into his life as friends he is a fucking imbecile she came for him in the worst way possible, he must of been on the verge of suicide all caused by her making a 45 minute video on him calling him all sorts. horrible horrible girl.
I was literally thinking about how to make myself more bulletproof to manipulation- the timing of this vid is perfect! Please make more videos on this topic! Thanks Shallon! ❤️
I feel like Tati’s shadow self was more about how she really wants to be a mom. She has endometriosis and it’s effecting her ability to have a child. She has been called the “mom” of the beauty community from Jeffree, and probably Shane too, in many of his videos. She probably felt responsible for James and has been a mentor to him. I’m sure she is aware of her age, and she knows that it doesn’t help her wanting to bear a child. Love your vids! I love listening to them like podcasts, especially so I can get my fix of your advice when you only post your actual podcasts once a week!
Didnt she say in her "bye sister" video that she presented drama channels with info that she was going to make the video, while in this recent video of hers she said that Shane told drama channels that she was going to make "bye sister"?
She also said she witnessed JC doing things (her birthday party for example), but then turned around and said she was manipulated by things they were saying. So which is it lol. They are all a mess.
tati sold out of her vitamins making 20 million once Shane started promoting her..she gained so much and she is sly and smart but no victim..shes a grown ass woman who needs to take some responsibility ..please
You are such an intelligent lady and most of your point in your content are always valid. I absolutely love watching your videos and you and few other amazing ladies here on RUclips are the once that inspired me to start my own channel. Love and light ❤️💡
Shallon you're always such an inspiration to me! But the statement that women gravitate towards same sex relationships in their 50s because men "stop paying attention to them" seemed a little..not you. Maybe someone gravitates towards a same sex relationship because they're finally out of the woods of caring about what your parents think, or no longer have the energy to care about being in an instagram-able heteronormative family (IE maybe they just finally have the confidence to be themselves?) But assuming older women choose those relationships as a 'backup plan' to avoid being alone once you're no longer 'desireable to men' doesn't align with pretty much every 50+ woman I know, all of who literally don't have time for anything except what they absolutely love and brings them joy, relationships/family/friends included. Not trying to spread hate at all, I ADORE you, but just wanted to call out that that statement doesn't align with the confident independent feminism I've come to associate with this channel. But maybe I understood, my bad if so.
@@marat.8866 That's exactly what you're doing. Radical feminism and TERF is one thing but don't you dare say that as a woman, we shouldn't support feminism. Gross.
People are referencing her age because she is blaming her actions on someone else and people are saying she’s too old to be doing that. Did you watch the tati apology video? She was anything but poised.
I'm in Tati's age range so i loved her makeup videos. Women of many ages buy cosmetics, and she seemed like a standout person for her age range. I saw it as a positive, not a negative thing - she had a demographic and played to it. I didn't understand why she got involved with other BG's with totally different demographics anyway..
Hi Shallon, I was wondering if you could talk about machiavellianism. I've heard a ton of info about two parts of the dark triad, so psychopathy and narcissism, but I feel like people are not aware of machiavelianism. I am not really sure what other people's perspective on Machiavellians are. Are they bad? can manipulation be used to make people do good things? how can we channel our Machiavellian traits for the benefit of us and that of others? thank you!
@@user-mf1rz9mn3l I know. People can talk about psychology. I'm asking for a personal opinion, not making an appointment with Shallon to be psychoanalyzed
I’m tired of you tubers using each other as an excuse to not have accountability. Tati is a grown ass woman, her age has nothing to do with her being manipulated. If anything she should’ve known fucking better. She was well informed about her association with certain people and chose not to read the red flags. You can’t change what you don’t acknowledge. There’s plenty of “older” women on RUclips who have zero drama attached to them. Even young youtubers with no drama. It’s not about age, it’s about not letting people think for you for the sake of being likeable
As someone who's been following all this beauty world drama for a long time now I think the weakness Tati had that Shane and Jeffree preyed on was her goal to help people. I think she wants deeply to save other people and help them see the light (or what she believes is the light e.g be more in contact with their spiritual selves or getting involved in charity work or staying out of drama). Because Tati has a really strong sense of justice and has been hurt in the past I think Shane and Jeffree were able to feed her stories and gossip that affected her more strongly than it would affect other people.
My family try to manipulate my by bringing up things I did when I was younger. I created boundaries with them (which they don't like ) and now I see them when I want to see them. Unfortunately, they aren't receptive to having a quality conversation so I try to prepare myself mentality before I spend time with them. It's ongoing and tiresome but it works.
While watching this vid i paused it and wrote down my shadow self points. I also realized how I've been manipulated around them in the past and manipulated hard. This is everything. Thank you Shallon 💕🙌
I personally thought Tati was getting ahead of the curve, preparing to defend herself and put herself in the best light possible for when the real stuff hits the fan. I think she was smart in doing so but I don't believe this is about following her heart at all. They are all shady.
Yes, queen! They used her motherly nature against her. I’m a Tati sub, and she wants to be a mother, but has faced infertility struggles. JC was like an adopted son and saw her as a motherly figure. Jeffree and Shane found that Achilles' heel and gaslit her into thinking she was the one who could end the so-called predatory behavior. When disobedient children need to be reprimanded, mamas do it. They made her think, “This has to come from you, a mother figure.” She stepped in and played the role, thinking it was for his own good. Little did she know the two men were weaponizing her motherly nature, which is an absolute act of sexist warfare. Thank you for making this video and teaching lessons for real world problems! ❤️
OK NO - Tati filmed, edited and posted that on her own free will... she’s the manipulator for gaslighting us into thinking she didn’t WANT to make the video.
Love this video! I was actually just looking at some of those reaction videos and pictures of the whole Tati ordeal and I noticed how MUCH people brought up her age to insult her and stuff. Shallon is so right on about this! Why is her age (even though it's not even that old) such an insult factor? And then using that as a way to justify yourself calling her crazy or hysterical or juvenile or whatever. I don't even care about this situation (because there's so much in the world now that needs to be given more attention) but the reactions just goes to show you the very FIRST things people say to insult women aren't even legit.
I just dont get why Tati cant hang with women influencers but only gay men? And the young ones like James, they are still growing and learning. Tati needs new friends with no drama.
Thanks for talking about age shallon. I’m 28 this year and was called old and I thought of the people who used that against me and realized they’ve done nothing with their lives
Do a video about Khloe getting back together with Tristan!! How to co-parent with someone you still care about and how to get over past bullshit they've put you through!
“But when people manipulate us, we assume we’re gonna see them as this villain creeping through life, and that’s not how it is” unfortunately, that IS jeffree star tho
I grew up without a mother and Tati's video basically taught me how to do makeup. I've been subscribed to Tati for many years but I had to unsubscribe. Sick of RUclips drama.
This video🙌🏽👍🏽 what really resonated with me was about the fear. And telling myself i love and accept the fear. Im leaving my job i was at for years and accepting a brand new position, different city, more responsibilities and as much as im excited, im feared up too. These mantras have really been working though for me. 🖤
These are all lessons I have definitely learned! Its nice to hear it laid out in this way. My thoughts: Shane pretends to be humble, he pretends to be an empath. He isn’t sensitive... he is manipulating his audience to think he is being vulnerable with them. I can see through it. I’m glad you can too.
Be careful who you call the underdog and who you root for, many play the victim . Way too many people these days play the victim card to get away with abusive behavior
I used to get manipulated easily. But I learned to see what people were seeing in me that made me such an easy target. I changed and now I can see the manipulators for who they are.
People keep calling out her age like it means something. It irritates the hell out of me. Plus, she's not 40. If you wanna call her age out, get it right. Assholes. Funny how Jeffree is only a few years younger than her yet looks at least a decade older.
You’re a real genuine human being with a heart of gold and a coat of armour. You’re just REAL it’s refreshing and so relatable and inspiring thank you! ☺️
Shallon! No joke you have helped me so much in my life, in my confidence, in my success and relationships and friendships. You have really changed my life in many ways so THANK YOU
I think part of Tati's personality (I don't know if it would necessarily be her shadow self) might be that she wants to be seen as a good person or a good influence. When watching her second video she mentioned that part of the reason she kept associating with Jeffree was that she wanted to be a good influence on him (such as involving him in her favorite charity) and that she did see some desire to change and some actions being taken. It may be that part of the reason she was manipulated was that she heard about the ALLEGED crimes James was involved in, and Jeffree and Shane whispered into her ear about how bad of a person James was and that by making a video "exposing" him that she was doing what a good person would do. I also think to some degree Shane and Jeffree fed into the resentment that Tati may have already had, whether it was about the whole vitamins deal or that she thought his ego was getting too big, and they whispered the right phrases in her ear to make her upset enough to act. While Tati is a grown woman and she makes her own choices, it's clear that she wouldn't have made the initial video without some other substantial outside voice influencing her.
Wow, I loved how you said that the first time we do something it's always uncomfortable and that growth always is! 👏 I worked so much with my shadow and it sucked at the beginning but now I know myself
Wow I’ve only heard negative stuff about this chick but listening to this, she’s friggen smart & has given me some really interesting concepts to ponder...
@@ediesongbird3163 im gay sister friend. You think stright men are following this story? 20/30s old gay men are dramtic. Also dont call people homophobe. Ugh .
Tati is the real manipulater here. She did the first video about James and then it backfired. So she waited and waited and suddenly now when everyone is out for Jeffrey and Shane’s neck, now it’s their fault she did the video where she literally lied and called James a PREDATOR. What. The. fuck.
YESSSSSSSSS perfect video! I haven’t even watched this video yet and I’m so excited already 😂💕 I love you Shallon and I hope you’re doing great in Montana!
I agree with you on all points but I think it's important to keep the videos truthful, Shane never called Tati crazy or insane, he said "this is crazy, this is insane" about the situation. I don't want Shane to get ammo to say that people are lying about what he said about Tati
Jeffree is only 4 years younger than Tati but no one called him old
It's just internalised mysogyny
I actually saw and heard a lot of comments calling JS, SD and TW out together saying basically "this is a group of people in their 30s trying to take down a teenager". Also have seen a lot of people calling Shane out for trying to hide behind his "I'm an emo, innocent little boy persona" despite being a man over 30 years old. Regardless of specific age, these are all grown adults who should know better.
The point remains... She can't show receipts (legal issues) so convenient.. how about you wait to come with the accusations and blame when you can show the proof. She discredits her whole bye sister where she single handedly tried to destroy James. And let's not forget promote her vitamins ... She wants the credit for the rise of James. But not willing to own her part in the fall or take down of said person ... And now look jumping on the trending train of kicking the man already down .. we see you Tati. We got your number 👍
That's funny cause Tati at least looks like a living human being and not like a dead voldemort look alike vampire corpse
thats because he didnt pretend to be gaslit into doing what he did. they all way too old to be messing with a kid’s life for sure
Why people bring women's age in every conversations?
In your 20's you are too young and immature while in your 30's you are too old and mature....
Yes. I agree. I once dated an older guy (37), and I (26 at the time which is not even that young in my eyes) was made to feel so invalidated and immature on multiple occasions. The trouble started when I called him out on his BS. He always complimented me based on how 'young' and 'attractive' I was in the beginning, but as soon as things went south..that was the first point if attack: my age and level of maturity (or lack thereof according to him). Men can be such condescending creatures.
So true.
exactly!! im 43 and guess what? 'Friends' still screw me over. Age has nothing to do with it. Your ability to be empathetic and want to help others doesn't disappear with age ....
Absolutely agree!
To diminish the charter to fit thier narrative. That's why.
Tati herself said she wanted to belong and be apart of the Beauty community, and admitted she saw what Jeffree was doing to other ppl but since he was nice to her she never thought he’d do anything to her. That mentality of “they’ve always been nice to me” was her downfall, Jeffree has always shown his true colors repeatedly, she befriended a Hyena and was surprised when he bit her.
I believe her Achilles is the fact she wants to have children and have difficult conceiving, she's been saying for many years that she's trying. She's always saying she wanted to take care of James, that she wanted to be a good influence and educate Jefrey, she was trying to be a mom to them.
Agreed
That’s why she decided to go after her so called kid? Calling him a predator because of some vitamins? She didn’t seem to care about the mental state this 19 year old boy was in as a result of the drama. Is that a good mother? She is definitely a good mother... to those vitamins and her brand. No one else!
The very little she says about Jeffree is so telling.
RIGHT! That was super yikes 🤐
Everyone is scared of JS. Nobody wants to say anything bad about him because he is literally Satan incarnate … I don't blame Shallon for being scared.
Tati is an actual ANGEL compared to Jeffree Star.
patr70 that ANGEL just lost her halo, especially after all of this.
J has this type of hold on people. He has money and power. He pretty good at war. I mean.. she has every reason to be very weary of him most of all!
I completely agree with you on the women vs. Age thing such bullshit. However, I do believe Tati is no victim
I agree. I don't like how she seems to have managed to turn herself into one thanks to this video.
she's a manipulator and lied about James being a sexual predator and other stuff, she aint inocent and if people believe that she is then I lost braincels
she’s not a victim at all. She just wanted an excuse to do shitty things to people. We can’t go and do bad and said. “ I was manipulated” She has no evidence before and now she has no evidence either. Are we going to believe her that they force her? F her
tati never had drama before this. and she was racking in views, she didn’t need ‘fame’. she also never even said he was a predator, jeffree said that...
Yeah she got upset over vitamins then decided to make a video. She wanted revenge for sure.
Literally anybody who hangs around j* gets burned
He's the common denominator in every situation that occurs within the beauty community
Shocked he's not losing more subscribers
J* is evil. He has always given out really bad vibes.
I also always got bad vibes from j*. Something very nasty, spiteful, and conniving just oozes out of his aura😖
I think no ones unsubbed yet bc they wanna see what he will actually say about the whole thing. If his shit aint legit its gunna tumble.
Because he's saying the least.
@@eagletmars SAME.
I will never forget when Shane laughed at Alissa Violet when she was telling him about the Jake Paul/Logan Paul thing... that was sick
Alissa also talked about the predatory behavior where Jake would convince girls he would bring them on to their (T10's) videos or hire them as models, etc. in order to sleep with them. That's such an abuse of the power dynamic and overall gross.
Shane not only glossed over this bit of information, but still painted Jake as basically a hero by the end of the documentary.
@@KaiCtotheG I forgot this. This is monstrous and hasn't gained enough traction.
Same and when he made the Britanny Louise Taylor vídeo and mixed her story of abuse with the stupid chuck & cheese theory :/
He treated his ex girlfriend like shit and bragged about it on his podcast. He doesn't respect women
Yeah i dont know why they didnt take her more seriosly. I felt weird that he was making jake look so good.
Are we going to ignore the fact that Tati made serious acusations without proof because she was pety about vitamins? Great. I think she needs to hold herself accountable.
According to blair white who also heard the audio, and does consider it credible, she did have proof. Which only makes the video she just did all the more confusing to me.
@@11Angel33 I also saw that video and yeah it does seem fishy. But I still think she should have addressed James privately and done a little more digging before blowing things up.
Why do people keep saying all this drama is because of vitamins. And you’d know Tati’s vitamin business contributed a small part to all this drama if you even watched her the beginning of her video.
I’m so early, Jeffrey still had eyebrows.
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Lol 😂. Great comment!
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Girl !!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Honestly, I think these two men manipulate and gaslit Tati to make a video. Shane is only upset because his “brand” of being poor, depressed, and a good guy, is being broken down.
Yes! He really has exposed his real personality, especially on his last instagram live
I always found it annoying when millionaires pretend to be poor to be relatable and blame their actions on mental illness like its justification or a shield.
Nah she’s not sweet and innocent either. I can see right through her. The way she manipulated her audience through her tears, her past traumas, her infertility, religion, and she took advantage of the fact that Jeffree and Shane are currently under a lot of hate. She said she never said James was a predator when in her “bye sister” video she told a story about her own experience with him for her birthday when they had dinner and how he was behaving towards the waiter. She literally said she witnessed this lol. She’s brushing it off and putting the blame on other people when in her video she spoke about her personal experiences with James. It’s not things she “heard” about him it was shit she supposedly witnessed. Her views have been bad lately and she even cried and complained about it on her story a little while ago. We all know Jeffree and Shane are bad but Tati isn’t innocent either.
@@ile2928 I have to unfortunately agree with this--she implicitly accused Shane of being a "fake empath" when she first met him; yet she spent the entirety of her video describing in detail about how "sensitive she is," and how she "feels so much an nobody understands," and she wanted to be a "role model" for both Jeffrey and James, and look at how much she loves charities and god, and her body is too weak for children, etc. It was just strange that she was suggesting Shane was deeply emotionally manipulative to make her believe whatever he wanted, and then she turns around and tries to deeply emotionally manipulate her audience into thinking whatever she wanted. Huh? That can't be an innocent soul.
He was upset on that live like any of you would be if a GROWN woman is playing victim and blaming others for her actions it’s fusterating and I would be pissed too
Meghan Merkle and Harry Potter 😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
i almost choke with my biscuit, she was deadly 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't believe any of these 3 clowns.
Only one that i kinda believe is james, dude came with proper proof and the dude who "assaulted" said the story goes differently and there was consent. Mere fact that she made the first video after james used different product and not hers, aka her last straw, makes it all really weird for me.
LMFAO
Jeffrey is Allison, Shane is Aria, Tati is Mona, James is Emily but who is A?
Money
Clout
Views and sponsorships
holly dizdar lol because that’s who I want to be 😈🤍🦅
@@Yvefutura same love her
She dropped James and didn't want to be associated with him anymore, as he was potentially in trouble. She wanted to protect her brand and her business. The same is happening now with Jeffree and Shane. She didn't complain about the clicks her reviews on Jeffree Star cosmetics generated, did she? If she is so done with him, she should take down the videos.
To me her video is not an apology, it is blaming other people for her bad decisions. Jeffree and Shane are not innocent IMO, don't get me wrong, but to state how much you love a person and then drop them in the blink of an eye, because they didn't only hurt you, but again potentially endangered your business, also speaks volumes. The only real victim is James Charles, as he trusted toxic people.
It wasn’t an apology video. People mistook it for that.
She had already apologized to JC and Jackie. The video was to explain what had happened last year.
100%!!! I see her as an opportunist who jumps on trends and takes the side of the Victor. She enjoyed millions of videos last year at the expense of her so called “friend” James’ demise. Now that the crap has hit the fan a year later, she’s back on James side.
the way shallon pronounces Tati 😂😂
Anyone else shocked on how she just ROASTED the haters on the age topic or is that just me
I shouted out loud U GO GIRL ? *fingersnap*
Littlebrown Puppy get away from Here hater
everything she said is true though, like if we gonna talk about age so much, how about comparing ourselves at the same age then. (but of course these whiny kids gonna blame it on the era and economy for their failure lol)
Im surprised you didn’t catch onto Tatis victim mentality? Ever since the first video I could tell she was extremely wrong and manipulative herself. She’s a backstabber.
This is the first video I went yikes about. She went against all the advice of her other videos. Kind of disappointing.
I think more the reason people are using her age as a weakness is because she is partaking in such immature behaviour - as someone who is so put together, I feel as though she could have taken the high road instead of striking when they are down.
Even if people think that is the case, J* and Shane aren't that much younger than her, and yet people barely bring up their age as an insult. It was rich coming from Ryland especially. lmao
Jeffree Star can’t get his product into stores because of his controversial background.
It’s because he’s an asshole. No one wants to be associated with an asshole
Would not be surprised! Can accuse people of being mall brands , but maybe it is bitterness at Sephora!
Except for morphe but apparently he’s part owner
His stuff is trash anyway
He always says Sephora and Ulta have asked him to sell his products but he refused bc he’s not ready for big retail companies? Hm 👀 👀
I honestly stopped caring about the beauty community after the first dramaggedon but I’m watching this because Shallon
Same!
Shallon "You're the general in your own army" Lester. Put that on a t shirt.
YES
Do itttttt
My only thing with Tati was why come out with this now? Why wait the whole year until the downfall was already happening to say something and act legally on it.
I don’t trust her at all
An ex friend of Jeffree’s came forward talking about how he’s a bad person and that he heard him on the phone with Shane talking bad about James Charles. This was before the drama, so the guy feels like Shane and Jeffree were behind it. Because of this, everyone went to Tati and demanded to hear her side
She would have been stupid to come out when jeffree and Shane were on the top of the world. And she came out now because people were speculating and talking about it
In social media. Because of a video kam released about jeffree. He said he overheard him talking to shane on the phone and the Shane was cursing something about James.
Hi Shallon, I wanted to tell you about a time I was manipulated by a friend that still 8 years later I use as a life lesson. My "friend" had alienated me from all my other friends, she started seeing me more and more often, coming over everyday and if she was not over, she would invite me to her house. She slowly started dictating my life, who I should speak to, what I should wear and even who I should date! At the time I thought she was doing this because she was my friend and she cared about me.
My family started noticing and warning me about her behavior but i just kept defending her and denying it. She would even get mad at me for the smallest things and stop talking to me but because I had shut everyone else out in my life, I kept apologizing to her and going back to her, which she would only accept if I came over with flowers or chocolates or another gift.
Eventually, she met a guy and got engaged and I noticed that she would treat him horribly. He was a very nice guy and just took it. I kept watching for awhile and eventually I had enough and I started defending him and standing up for him because I couldn't take it anymore.
This obviously did not sit well with her and she started making my life a living hell, like uninviting me to her birthday party, and leaving any whatsapp group chats I was in. She also, got her friends to stop being friends with me and delete me off of all socials. The last straw was her sending me the most hateful messages I have ever received in my life…
I broke down and finally cut things off with her. After I stepped away, I was CLEARLY able to see how manipulative she was and how she was impacting my life in a negative way. I have been so peaceful and happier since our "friendship" broke off.
I am now so careful in making sure that does not happen to me again. All the signs are there, we just need to keep our eyes open, recognize them and stop letting people manipulate us. I have learned so much from watching your videos and I am so thankful to have found your channel, please keep teaching and inspiring us
Tati looks younger than both and I think its crazy how men always throw it around when most look older .
I don't know who told men that they age better but literally every couple I know the woman looks younger.
Also tatis glow is goals omg 😍
Honestly I think Tati is the BIGGEST manipulater, she is the worse, she lied when she did the first video about Charles and always said she saw thing first hand and then denied it. What kind of “mother figure” would ever do that to someone she considered like a “son”. There was a no need for any of this to be public, but she did
She wasn't manipulated she was apart of the mess but is now trying to get herself out of it by throwing them under the bus. Tati is literally forty Shane and Jeffree didn't force her to use words that triggered a cancelling. People were calling him a predator because she said stuff like he goes after straight boys. Bye sister in the words of Tati many of us see through the bullshit
Yes
This is what I've been saying the whole time. She sat back, watched the fallout and calculated the best response and decided to play the pity/sympathy card.
09:43 - THIS breakdown was real!
28:01 - We've all been prone to manipulation Hun. It's worse when we feel we've let our guard down and become susceptible to it. However as you say, the growth from these experiences is imperative.
Another fabulous video, loved the concept of framing our values too. Powerful content as always 🙏🏾
Tati isn’t sorry about James !! She’s sorry about her hair vitamins and Jeffree potentially having shares in morphe and their upcoming hair vitamins launch !!!!
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I don’t know why but if James let’s tati back into his life as friends he is a fucking imbecile
she came for him in the worst way possible, he must of been on the verge of suicide all caused by her making a 45 minute video on him calling him all sorts.
horrible horrible girl.
True
I've never clicked so fast!
Same here...lol
I was literally thinking about how to make myself more bulletproof to manipulation- the timing of this vid is perfect! Please make more videos on this topic! Thanks Shallon! ❤️
I feel like Tati’s shadow self was more about how she really wants to be a mom. She has endometriosis and it’s effecting her ability to have a child. She has been called the “mom” of the beauty community from Jeffree, and probably Shane too, in many of his videos. She probably felt responsible for James and has been a mentor to him.
I’m sure she is aware of her age, and she knows that it doesn’t help her wanting to bear a child. Love your vids! I love listening to them like podcasts, especially so I can get my fix of your advice when you only post your actual podcasts once a week!
Didnt she say in her "bye sister" video that she presented drama channels with info that she was going to make the video, while in this recent video of hers she said that Shane told drama channels that she was going to make "bye sister"?
hey, that's actually true...
She also said she witnessed JC doing things (her birthday party for example), but then turned around and said she was manipulated by things they were saying. So which is it lol. They are all a mess.
Yes she did. She's lying and trying to take the heat off herself.
@@Hanavannin So no wonder Shane flipped out in his insta live stream. Now I feel.bad for him when it only comes to the tati situation.
No, she gave STATEMENTS(that they asked for) to them about the sugar bear hair situation.
OMG Harry Potter I'm DYING lol
tati sold out of her vitamins making 20 million once Shane started promoting her..she gained so much and she is sly and smart but no victim..shes a grown ass woman who needs to take some responsibility ..please
OMG! I just realized even the terms for anything to do with uterine operations (Hysterectomy, Hysteroscopy) are versions of the word HYSTERICAL.
no, it’s because the word hysteria is derived from the greek word for uterus which is why terms for uterine operations have the word hyster in them
You are such an intelligent lady and most of your point in your content are always valid. I absolutely love watching your videos and you and few other amazing ladies here on RUclips are the once that inspired me to start my own channel. Love and light ❤️💡
Shallon you're always such an inspiration to me! But the statement that women gravitate towards same sex relationships in their 50s because men "stop paying attention to them" seemed a little..not you. Maybe someone gravitates towards a same sex relationship because they're finally out of the woods of caring about what your parents think, or no longer have the energy to care about being in an instagram-able heteronormative family (IE maybe they just finally have the confidence to be themselves?) But assuming older women choose those relationships as a 'backup plan' to avoid being alone once you're no longer 'desireable to men' doesn't align with pretty much every 50+ woman I know, all of who literally don't have time for anything except what they absolutely love and brings them joy, relationships/family/friends included. Not trying to spread hate at all, I ADORE you, but just wanted to call out that that statement doesn't align with the confident independent feminism I've come to associate with this channel. But maybe I understood, my bad if so.
But Shallon is right here. I doubt that you really know what feminism these days is. If you did, you would not support it as a woman.
I guess there are different types of women yk. Maybe not the ones you know
@@hyangi25 Yes. I'm just sad that women don't educate themselves about these topics in detail but rather repeat Mainstream media narratives.
@@marat.8866 That's exactly what you're doing. Radical feminism and TERF is one thing but don't you dare say that as a woman, we shouldn't support feminism. Gross.
I can believe it tho. I'm never surprised by what people would do for attention.
People are referencing her age because she is blaming her actions on someone else and people are saying she’s too old to be doing that. Did you watch the tati apology video? She was anything but poised.
I'm in Tati's age range so i loved her makeup videos. Women of many ages buy cosmetics, and she seemed like a standout person for her age range. I saw it as a positive, not a negative thing - she had a demographic and played to it. I didn't understand why she got involved with other BG's with totally different demographics anyway..
You say some really profound and hilarious things😂. I know you have some haters lately, but I find you to be genuine, with lots of insight 💖
Hi Shallon, I was wondering if you could talk about machiavellianism. I've heard a ton of info about two parts of the dark triad, so psychopathy and narcissism, but I feel like people are not aware of machiavelianism. I am not really sure what other people's perspective on Machiavellians are. Are they bad? can manipulation be used to make people do good things? how can we channel our Machiavellian traits for the benefit of us and that of others? thank you!
@@user-mf1rz9mn3l I know. People can talk about psychology. I'm asking for a personal opinion, not making an appointment with Shallon to be psychoanalyzed
I’m tired of you tubers using each other as an excuse to not have accountability. Tati is a grown ass woman, her age has nothing to do with her being manipulated. If anything she should’ve known fucking better. She was well informed about her association with certain people and chose not to read the red flags. You can’t change what you don’t acknowledge. There’s plenty of “older” women on RUclips who have zero drama attached to them. Even young youtubers with no drama. It’s not about age, it’s about not letting people think for you for the sake of being likeable
You’re analysis is the most logical and educated analysis, yet!
As someone who's been following all this beauty world drama for a long time now I think the weakness Tati had that Shane and Jeffree preyed on was her goal to help people. I think she wants deeply to save other people and help them see the light (or what she believes is the light e.g be more in contact with their spiritual selves or getting involved in charity work or staying out of drama). Because Tati has a really strong sense of justice and has been hurt in the past I think Shane and Jeffree were able to feed her stories and gossip that affected her more strongly than it would affect other people.
My family try to manipulate my by bringing up things I did when I was younger. I created boundaries with them (which they don't like ) and now I see them when I want to see them. Unfortunately, they aren't receptive to having a quality conversation so I try to prepare myself mentality before I spend time with them. It's ongoing and tiresome but it works.
While watching this vid i paused it and wrote down my shadow self points. I also realized how I've been manipulated around them in the past and manipulated hard. This is everything. Thank you Shallon 💕🙌
It's really sweet of you Shallon to post videos on your week off! I lovee you!!!
Awe thank you for the shoutout! It was sweet! Love ya girly ❤️❤️❤️
I personally thought Tati was getting ahead of the curve, preparing to defend herself and put herself in the best light possible for when the real stuff hits the fan. I think she was smart in doing so but I don't believe this is about following her heart at all. They are all shady.
I was thinking the same thing!!!
I normally agree with you but Tati is no victim. All three of them need to be thrown out.
Right? This framework removes all her agency.
Yes, queen! They used her motherly nature against her. I’m a Tati sub, and she wants to be a mother, but has faced infertility struggles. JC was like an adopted son and saw her as a motherly figure. Jeffree and Shane found that Achilles' heel and gaslit her into thinking she was the one who could end the so-called predatory behavior. When disobedient children need to be reprimanded, mamas do it. They made her think, “This has to come from you, a mother figure.” She stepped in and played the role, thinking it was for his own good. Little did she know the two men were weaponizing her motherly nature, which is an absolute act of sexist warfare. Thank you for making this video and teaching lessons for real world problems! ❤️
She's easy to manipulate, because she's too nice. And she sees good in everyone. That's just my opinion.
One time somebody (that I really respected) told me I was “authentic” 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺 thats the best compliment I’ve ever gotten
OK NO - Tati filmed, edited and posted that on her own free will... she’s the manipulator for gaslighting us into thinking she didn’t WANT to make the video.
She never said she didn’t want to? She said she was encouraged to do it. God you people are stupid.
The last few minutes ! So true. Deal with issues before anyone can press any buttons so the buttons no longer operate
I can't express how much LOVE AND RESPECT I have for this woman and how I love her videos
TY Shallon for this talk. How is it that you always touch upon topics relevant to what's happening in my life right now
Love this video! I was actually just looking at some of those reaction videos and pictures of the whole Tati ordeal and I noticed how MUCH people brought up her age to insult her and stuff. Shallon is so right on about this! Why is her age (even though it's not even that old) such an insult factor? And then using that as a way to justify yourself calling her crazy or hysterical or juvenile or whatever. I don't even care about this situation (because there's so much in the world now that needs to be given more attention) but the reactions just goes to show you the very FIRST things people say to insult women aren't even legit.
I just dont get why Tati cant hang with women influencers but only gay men? And the young ones like James, they are still growing and learning. Tati needs new friends with no drama.
Shallon this is one of your BEST videos. As soon as you brought up the etymology of “hysterical” I got chills!
People aren’t bringing up her age to shame her. They’re bringing it to because at that age you’re supposed to KNOW better and do better. Like grow up.
James actually proved tati lied about him trying to push straight guys to be gay
Thanks for talking about age shallon. I’m 28 this year and was called old and I thought of the people who used that against me and realized they’ve done nothing with their lives
I absolutely LOVE your perspective and analogies. You speak the TRUTH!!! ❤
Baby girl... I’m 56 and still slayin with 30 year old guys 😉
Do a video about Khloe getting back together with Tristan!! How to co-parent with someone you still care about and how to get over past bullshit they've put you through!
Random: the lighting in your new place is stunning! Enjoy!
“But when people manipulate us, we assume we’re gonna see them as this villain creeping through life, and that’s not how it is” unfortunately, that IS jeffree star tho
I grew up without a mother and Tati's video basically taught me how to do makeup. I've been subscribed to Tati for many years but I had to unsubscribe. Sick of RUclips drama.
This video🙌🏽👍🏽 what really resonated with me was about the fear. And telling myself i love and accept the fear. Im leaving my job i was at for years and accepting a brand new position, different city, more responsibilities and as much as im excited, im feared up too. These mantras have really been working though for me. 🖤
These are all lessons I have definitely learned! Its nice to hear it laid out in this way. My thoughts: Shane pretends to be humble, he pretends to be an empath. He isn’t sensitive... he is manipulating his audience to think he is being vulnerable with them. I can see through it. I’m glad you can too.
Be careful who you call the underdog and who you root for, many play the victim . Way too many people these days play the victim card to get away with abusive behavior
omg did you get a new camera? it looks fantastic
Yassss I was hoping you’d cover this topic!!!!
I used to get manipulated easily. But I learned to see what people were seeing in me that made me such an easy target. I changed and now I can see the manipulators for who they are.
People keep calling out her age like it means something. It irritates the hell out of me. Plus, she's not 40. If you wanna call her age out, get it right. Assholes. Funny how Jeffree is only a few years younger than her yet looks at least a decade older.
You’re a real genuine human being with a heart of gold and a coat of armour. You’re just REAL it’s refreshing and so relatable and inspiring thank you! ☺️
I just came for the tea but left feeling empowered.
Shallon! No joke you have helped me so much in my life, in my confidence, in my success and relationships and friendships. You have really changed my life in many ways so THANK YOU
So glad you are talking about this!! 🖤
i strongly believe jeffree, shane and tati are all manipulative
I think part of Tati's personality (I don't know if it would necessarily be her shadow self) might be that she wants to be seen as a good person or a good influence. When watching her second video she mentioned that part of the reason she kept associating with Jeffree was that she wanted to be a good influence on him (such as involving him in her favorite charity) and that she did see some desire to change and some actions being taken. It may be that part of the reason she was manipulated was that she heard about the ALLEGED crimes James was involved in, and Jeffree and Shane whispered into her ear about how bad of a person James was and that by making a video "exposing" him that she was doing what a good person would do.
I also think to some degree Shane and Jeffree fed into the resentment that Tati may have already had, whether it was about the whole vitamins deal or that she thought his ego was getting too big, and they whispered the right phrases in her ear to make her upset enough to act. While Tati is a grown woman and she makes her own choices, it's clear that she wouldn't have made the initial video without some other substantial outside voice influencing her.
Wow, I loved how you said that the first time we do something it's always uncomfortable and that growth always is! 👏
I worked so much with my shadow and it sucked at the beginning but now I know myself
Wow I’ve only heard negative stuff about this chick but listening to this, she’s friggen smart & has given me some really interesting concepts to ponder...
Why is tati getting involved in drama between gay men. James is is like 21. She really should know how gay men act.
Whooooaaaa that is SUCH a nasty, stereotype of gay men. Not cool.
Homophobe Jesus what is wrong with people like you
definitely agree
Christina R. Its all gay men though lol manny , Gabriel and these three drama queen
@@ediesongbird3163 im gay sister friend. You think stright men are following this story?
20/30s old gay men are dramtic. Also dont call people homophobe. Ugh .
I was waiting to see if you posted a video about this! I watched her 40 minute video, and I’m curious to see your thoughts on this?
Thx for actually getting the situation right!
Tati is the real manipulater here. She did the first video about James and then it backfired. So she waited and waited and suddenly now when everyone is out for Jeffrey and Shane’s neck, now it’s their fault she did the video where she literally lied and called James a PREDATOR. What. The. fuck.
YESSSSSSSSS perfect video! I haven’t even watched this video yet and I’m so excited already 😂💕 I love you Shallon and I hope you’re doing great in Montana!
I agree with you on all points but I think it's important to keep the videos truthful, Shane never called Tati crazy or insane, he said "this is crazy, this is insane" about the situation. I don't want Shane to get ammo to say that people are lying about what he said about Tati
Thank you for making this, I needed to hear this!
Hell yes! I was waiting for you to do this video
Okay, I just have to put it out there- I can’t focus on the video, I am just focusing on how Shallon is glowing 🤩
You look sooo good in this video!! Thank you so much needed this video!❤️
Came here to say wow! Your hair, the outfit, and the background colors are amazing. You look so beautiful 😍
don't believe any of these 3, Tati is also trying to put responsibilities for what she decided to say on other people and crying publicly ... please
Yesss Shallon I was hoping you’d cover this!
I was hoping you'd get a life 😂😂
“She’s an adult in a kiddie pool” 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
This was brilliant, Shallon. I'll be re-watching for sure!