I never really learned enough about different bits to know which one would suit the horse I was riding best, so I've generally stuck with a snaffle bit, as that seems to be the one most horses are started on
Anything other than a snaffle is very easy to hurt a horse with. Double jointed is usually better as well, since a lot of people have difficulty with properly fitting bits and an oversized single jointed snaffle will poke the horse in the tongue or roof of the mouth, which can cause a lot of pain obviously
@@nala8223 Ooh thank you for the info! As far as I can tell, I haven't had an issue with the single joint snaffle I've been using, since the horse I use it on doesn't require a lot of pressure on the reins, but it sounds worth it to look into getting a double jointed snaffle.
Seeing this, after walking with my horse by hand. I tought we were making progress together, but idk what got in his head today. Sometimes it’s frustrating because i want him to feel comfortable, not anxious. It’s a work in progress let’s say🥲. Your videos help me a lot. Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us!
If I'm not in a good mindset when horse handling I do a guided meditation from the RUclips channel goodful for anxiety or anger. This isn't an ad it helps me have a calm and strong mindset so my horses can put all their trust in me. I hope this helps you 🤠
Hi Ryan, is there a longer version of this video? I use a solid mouth snaffle on loose rings for precisely the reason you give -- the ability to achieve lateral flexion in the clearest way possible. I just feel safer having that option (the one rein option), and I've always understood that you can't achieve that with a leverage bit -- that you can't/shouldn't use just one rein with a leverage bit. What's achievable with a snaffle bit is pretty clear; what's achievable with a leverage bit not so much. Poll pressure in particular confounds me. I don't understand what it signals the horse to do. It just seems very oppressive to me. Thanks!
Hi Thanks for sharing with the channel. The leverage or shank bit is able to signal your horse with the slightest feel. As the curb begins to move the chin strap touches first the Hairs under the strap and progresses to the fleshy part and lastly engages into the boney part that's when the poll gets pressure. Shank bit of course is designed to be used with one hand and its simple to get your horse accustomed to responding to neck signals from the reins. Your solid snaffle is by far the best to use! Anything jointed broken or linked just adds confusion for the most part. Good luck and happy trails. Troy/Riding and Driving coach for Connections Boarding Stables in Salinas California
@@economyrvandtrailerrepair9059 Hi thanks for the response. Y I understand the shank bit is intended to be used w one hand - that is, both reins together. I was asking about one rein. Is there ever a time when you would use just one rein w a shank bit? (I don’t mean a “Tom Thumb” shank of course. Something like a Sliester.)
No video game goes into the depth of horse riding. It’s always spam one button for sprint and that’s it. But I’d like to see a game where they show the balancing act of the bits in action. That would be pretty immersive.
Less is always more unless they've been yanked on for years....curb chains are humane and give extra motivation for good decisions lol just my opinion. We are not all riding young horse. Most of us especially in New England ride auction stock.
Ok question- i used to use nothing but snaffles. Mostly d ring or eggbutt, single joint snaffles. Well, i got my 1st TWH a couple years ago and she just would NOT tolerate anything jointed. I mean, it was bad, shed constantly chew at it and hang her tongue out the side of her mouth or work her tongue up over the bit. I got another little mare last year, a spotted saddle mare...same thing. So i started using a bitless sidepull bridle but mare #2 is a turd and pulls right through my hands so i cant safely ride her down the road. Why do my gaited horses hate snaffles so bad?
Your best bet is to ask the people you got them from what they used and go with those, they tend to get used to certain types because they interact with different parts of the mouth/head in different ways.
i will try to break down the effects of bits so it is easy to understand. a single jointed bit creates pain/pressure on the gums, the roof of the mouth an squeezes the tongue. a double jointed bit creates pressure on the gum and the whole tongue.a bar bit only creates pressure/pain on the tongue. if you have a D-Ring or similar rings that don´t allow to much movement the bit is softer in the mouth and can´t create false signals, wich is why young or sensitive horses like them better than normal rings. thinner bits are generally harsher and more painful than thicker bits. rubber bits, especially rubber bar bits are way softer than metal ones. bits with leveraage create additional pain/pressure in the neck and under the chin. the general rule is, longer shanks, more pressure/pain. bits with so called ports can create massive pain/pressure on the roof of the Mouth, depending how high the port is. there are a lot of combination of these bits out there, but most are definitly only for very lighthanded riders. Sadly the majority who uses these harsh bits just uses them to braek their horses. but now on to the bitless bridles. the sidepull is depending on the nose piece a very soft bridle and some horses with a bit of a thick head use that to their advantage and ignore the pressure, like your second horse. a harsher bridle would be a hackamore or some other types with a leverage to it. if the noseband is out of soft leather it can be soft too, if it is out of round hard rope it can be way harsher. a ropehalter can, if fitted corectly, also be a very good bridle because the knots create pressure on the nose. a bosal is by far the harshest bitles bridle out their and should only be used with utmost control of the riders hands. bitless means not without pain but with most bitless bridles it is more difficult to crate as much pain as with a bit, but the downside of that can be not as clear of a signal for the horse. in your case i would either try a hackamore out on your mare and see if it helps or try out bar bit either metal or rubber with D-rings. if you try out the bits, make sure you get the right lenght in the bit for your horse, because that can make a big difference in comfort for them and try to determine how much space is in your horses mouth when closed. if the bit is too thick it is uncomfortable, because they can´t fully close it without squezzing their tongue. to get a feeling how much space is in your horses mouth. put a bridle on, without a bit and close the noseband tight, then either try to look inside from the side or use your finger to feel it. i hope i could help you.
@TheEleonore Thank you!!! My bitless sidepull is a really soft leather. My 1st mare does great in it. Mare #2 i actually found a ported bit that she tolerates but i think i may try a hackamore for her.💖
stop i can’t here anything else on bits for the rest of my life😢. my friend had. a clinic today with other people and the person who was teaching is in the horseman hall of fame or whatever and he has his own bits and spurs brand. he brought tons of bits and did like a hour kind speech on hits and pressure and different kinds and when the pressure goes and stuff and omg me and my friend fell asleep. i didn’t partake in the clinic i was just their watching and stuff since i was with my lease horse tosay
So what your saying is that the snaffle bit is better to use when you are using both reins and the leverage bit is better when you are neck reining? Im just trying to figure this out lol
I have a bit that is both a leverage (with shanks) and a snaffle (in the middle of the sides theres a snaffle part. I've been using mostly leverage with my horse but I wonder if I should use the snaffle part... He's been resisting pressure and I feel awful being up in his mouth but, he just isn't listening
So if your a novice rider which type bit is better? I tend to try to gain control with my reins and am not as soft as I'd like to be with timing and feel...my horse gets frustrated. I need to give her more slack and her face and trust her more. She's still a bit green. Which bit help her get less frustrated...?
@@RoanAndRoaming I would rather have pain on the outside of my nose than on the inside of my mouth! Bits are more painful and you won't convince me otherwise.. for the most part, bitless is not painful!
Bru. Bits don’t cause pain. Horses don’t have teeth in the area where the bit goes. Unless its used wrong, or an intentionally abusive bit, which was not used here, it causes no harm.
No, they are pressure compliance, sure, they can cause pain, but only if you are an asshole or have no clue what you are doing. I ride my horse with an Argentine Stage 3 bit, he loves it, doesn't even want to spit it out when I am done riding, if it were painful he would give me hell when I put it in his mouth and spit it out immediately when I go to take it off, but it goes the opposite...
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Great info! Thanks for the video!
I never really learned enough about different bits to know which one would suit the horse I was riding best, so I've generally stuck with a snaffle bit, as that seems to be the one most horses are started on
Anything other than a snaffle is very easy to hurt a horse with. Double jointed is usually better as well, since a lot of people have difficulty with properly fitting bits and an oversized single jointed snaffle will poke the horse in the tongue or roof of the mouth, which can cause a lot of pain obviously
@@nala8223 Ooh thank you for the info! As far as I can tell, I haven't had an issue with the single joint snaffle I've been using, since the horse I use it on doesn't require a lot of pressure on the reins, but it sounds worth it to look into getting a double jointed snaffle.
Waterford bits are really good as well, they’re super easy on a horses mouth
@@jayskestrel8130 very severe
Seeing this, after walking with my horse by hand. I tought we were making progress together, but idk what got in his head today. Sometimes it’s frustrating because i want him to feel comfortable, not anxious. It’s a work in progress let’s say🥲. Your videos help me a lot. Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us!
If I'm not in a good mindset when horse handling I do a guided meditation from the RUclips channel goodful for anxiety or anger. This isn't an ad it helps me have a calm and strong mindset so my horses can put all their trust in me. I hope this helps you 🤠
Totally agree!
Hi Ryan, is there a longer version of this video? I use a solid mouth snaffle on loose rings for precisely the reason you give -- the ability to achieve lateral flexion in the clearest way possible. I just feel safer having that option (the one rein option), and I've always understood that you can't achieve that with a leverage bit -- that you can't/shouldn't use just one rein with a leverage bit. What's achievable with a snaffle bit is pretty clear; what's achievable with a leverage bit not so much. Poll pressure in particular confounds me. I don't understand what it signals the horse to do. It just seems very oppressive to me. Thanks!
Yes there is. It’s on my patreon page www.patreon.com/ryanrosehorsemanship
Hi Thanks for sharing with the channel. The leverage or shank bit is able to signal your horse with the slightest feel. As the curb begins to move the chin strap touches first the Hairs under the strap and progresses to the fleshy part and lastly engages into the boney part that's when the poll gets pressure. Shank bit of course is designed to be used with one hand and its simple to get your horse accustomed to responding to neck signals from the reins. Your solid snaffle is by far the best to use! Anything jointed broken or linked just adds confusion for the most part. Good luck and happy trails.
Troy/Riding and Driving coach for Connections Boarding Stables in Salinas California
@@economyrvandtrailerrepair9059 Hi thanks for the response. Y I understand the shank bit is intended to be used w one hand - that is, both reins together. I was asking about one rein. Is there ever a time when you would use just one rein w a shank bit? (I don’t mean a “Tom
Thumb” shank of course. Something like a Sliester.)
Thank you I needed this
I love this
You're awesome 😊
Thank's,,for informasion
I only used hackamores on me horses during training and after. I've had a lot of horses.
Always dubious when I hear "I've had a lot of horses".
I agree with you
I think that the snaffle offers many different ways of applying pressure but the leverage is often used wrong and is confusing and/or painful pressure
Very true !!! I believe you get a more supple and responsive horse if trained and worked in a snaffle but 😊
Do not forget the nutcracker action on the tongue And into roof of mouth!!re snaffle bits
Not all snaffle create a nutcracker. And that's why you use one rein.
No video game goes into the depth of horse riding. It’s always spam one button for sprint and that’s it. But I’d like to see a game where they show the balancing act of the bits in action. That would be pretty immersive.
Less is always more unless they've been yanked on for years....curb chains are humane and give extra motivation for good decisions lol just my opinion. We are not all riding young horse. Most of us especially in New England ride auction stock.
Ok question- i used to use nothing but snaffles. Mostly d ring or eggbutt, single joint snaffles. Well, i got my 1st TWH a couple years ago and she just would NOT tolerate anything jointed. I mean, it was bad, shed constantly chew at it and hang her tongue out the side of her mouth or work her tongue up over the bit. I got another little mare last year, a spotted saddle mare...same thing. So i started using a bitless sidepull bridle but mare #2 is a turd and pulls right through my hands so i cant safely ride her down the road. Why do my gaited horses hate snaffles so bad?
Your best bet is to ask the people you got them from what they used and go with those, they tend to get used to certain types because they interact with different parts of the mouth/head in different ways.
i will try to break down the effects of bits so it is easy to understand. a single jointed bit creates pain/pressure on the gums, the roof of the mouth an squeezes the tongue. a double jointed bit creates pressure on the gum and the whole tongue.a bar bit only creates pressure/pain on the tongue. if you have a D-Ring or similar rings that don´t allow to much movement the bit is softer in the mouth and can´t create false signals, wich is why young or sensitive horses like them better than normal rings. thinner bits are generally harsher and more painful than thicker bits.
rubber bits, especially rubber bar bits are way softer than metal ones.
bits with leveraage create additional pain/pressure in the neck and under the chin. the general rule is, longer shanks, more pressure/pain.
bits with so called ports can create massive pain/pressure on the roof of the Mouth, depending how high the port is.
there are a lot of combination of these bits out there, but most are definitly only for very lighthanded riders. Sadly the majority who uses these harsh bits just uses them to braek their horses.
but now on to the bitless bridles.
the sidepull is depending on the nose piece a very soft bridle and some horses with a bit of a thick head use that to their advantage and ignore the pressure, like your second horse.
a harsher bridle would be a hackamore or some other types with a leverage to it. if the noseband is out of soft leather it can be soft too, if it is out of round hard rope it can be way harsher.
a ropehalter can, if fitted corectly, also be a very good bridle because the knots create pressure on the nose. a bosal is by far the harshest bitles bridle out their and should only be used with utmost control of the riders hands.
bitless means not without pain but with most bitless bridles it is more difficult to crate as much pain as with a bit, but the downside of that can be not as clear of a signal for the horse.
in your case i would either try a hackamore out on your mare and see if it helps or try out bar bit either metal or rubber with D-rings.
if you try out the bits, make sure you get the right lenght in the bit for your horse, because that can make a big difference in comfort for them and try to determine how much space is in your horses mouth when closed. if the bit is too thick it is uncomfortable, because they can´t fully close it without squezzing their tongue. to get a feeling how much space is in your horses mouth. put a bridle on, without a bit and close the noseband tight, then either try to look inside from the side or use your finger to feel it.
i hope i could help you.
@TheEleonore Thank you!!! My bitless sidepull is a really soft leather. My 1st mare does great in it. Mare #2 i actually found a ported bit that she tolerates but i think i may try a hackamore for her.💖
My twisted bit works really well with my young green mare. Try a milder one first. The more twisted the harsher it is.
Quit talking about it, ride the thing.
stop i can’t here anything else on bits for the rest of my life😢. my friend had. a clinic today with other people and the person who was teaching is in the horseman hall of fame or whatever and he has his own bits and spurs brand. he brought tons of bits and did like a hour kind speech on hits and pressure and different kinds and when the pressure goes and stuff and omg me and my friend fell asleep. i didn’t partake in the clinic i was just their watching and stuff since i was with my lease horse tosay
So what your saying is that the snaffle bit is better to use when you are using both reins and the leverage bit is better when you are neck reining? Im just trying to figure this out lol
What bit is best to use when you are trying to train your horse to neck rein?
I have a bit that is both a leverage (with shanks) and a snaffle (in the middle of the sides theres a snaffle part. I've been using mostly leverage with my horse but I wonder if I should use the snaffle part... He's been resisting pressure and I feel awful being up in his mouth but, he just isn't listening
So if your a novice rider which type bit is better? I tend to try to gain control with my reins and am not as soft as I'd like to be with timing and feel...my horse gets frustrated. I need to give her more slack and her face and trust her more. She's still a bit green. Which bit help her get less frustrated...?
What type of horse is that?
Can you tell me the breading of that horse? I too have a red roan with the same circle bar brand.
It's an American Quarter Horse,, that brand belongs to a ranch in Texas that breeds Quarter horses
I had a blue roan, so I am wondering what kind of horse that is. I said to myself it's a chocolate roan lol😅
Genetically, she is a chestnut or ‘red’ roan.
Some people refer to them as strawberry roans 🍓 😉😊
такой большой!!!а лошадка маленькая, не жалко???⚡⚡⚡🐎🐎🐎
all bits are evil, actually.
lmao why
wtf are you talking about
I wish people just wouldn't use a bit! I think it's cruel when you can use a bitless bridle and they can do just as good!
Safety is the key to success. A halter can be cruel in the wrong hands.
@@economyrvandtrailerrepair9059 this
Bitless can also create pain. It's all about the handler!
@@RoanAndRoaming I would rather have pain on the outside of my nose than on the inside of my mouth! Bits are more painful and you won't convince me otherwise.. for the most part, bitless is not painful!
NO BIT! BITS ARE PAIN COMPLIANCE! BAD!
Bru. Bits don’t cause pain. Horses don’t have teeth in the area where the bit goes. Unless its used wrong, or an intentionally abusive bit, which was not used here, it causes no harm.
No, they are pressure compliance, sure, they can cause pain, but only if you are an asshole or have no clue what you are doing. I ride my horse with an Argentine Stage 3 bit, he loves it, doesn't even want to spit it out when I am done riding, if it were painful he would give me hell when I put it in his mouth and spit it out immediately when I go to take it off, but it goes the opposite...
Bits don't hurt unless you make it hurt, it's like humans and retainers, a retainer doesn't hurt our mouths for no reason
Ha ha
@Maddie allowed. ;)
I only used hackamores on me horses during training and after. I've had a lot of horses.
I only used hackamores on me horses during training and after. I've had a lot of horses.