If that were the case it would be reflected on the title/deed. if the road is part of the deed there should be some kind of easement indicated. if going through the property is the ONLY way to get to another property then the state can force an easement. if there are alternative means to get to another property then people will and should use that.
jutwerner yes they clearly state the road is the access point for public land. Becouse it is a forestry service access road, it belongs to the federal government and is legally open to the public.
A front door is very different than a gate. When fighting fires, a front door restricts airflow to the fire. This causes the fire to not spread as fast. That is why fire fighters need to check doors for heat before they open them. A gate does not restrict air, it restricts access. The fire will blow right past a gate. Firefighters and rescue vehicles need roads for access. Depending on the gate and the location and installation, going around or through it may net be possible. Since these guys are from texas i would assume they know how to build a gate..
@Joey Barreras ok, there is no difference between gas and diesel then, both make your car run, so, go fill your car with diesel. See what your semantics lands you.
Ryan Smith they never said they are land locked there might be another road in from somewhere els said the previous owner let them doesn’t mean the next owner has to !!! Unless it’s put in the sale agreement !!!
Funny story this guy bought private land on a mountian in the wind river indian reservation (he was a rich guy from back east). The previous owners were really cool and let natives hunt or go through their land. But he decided to put nails on the cattle guard so no one was able to drive onto his land. There were a couple people that got flat tires from it. A couple guys i know just cut his barbed wire fence with bolt cutters and kept on going. They were never caught and the guy has yet to fix the fence.
Not really native Americans had sovereignty denial and lack of enforcement Wich is a common issue when encounters take place along extreme cultural and economic differences. It would be like settling you on Mars without representative or local sovereignty but enforcing sovereignty outside means and capability of Earth. Your rebellion would be imminent. Earth would not be able to directly challenge your sovereignty. At least in any immediate way. Native Americans politically chose the economic super powers and ceded sovereignty over their direct enemies this intiated war between the economic super power in the defense of their new territory and or citizens. It's not a collective generalization that all native Americans had issues with land control. You can look at northern plains native Americans and see how that sovereignty imposed on lesser tribes was quite brutal far beyond the necessity. Especially in comparison to Western doctrines and culture. So no most native Americans did not have the same complaint long ago. Your applying politics and moral understanding of today's post world war lens to people who would never comprehend a world war. As the civil war was the closest thing since and before that the Crimean war. As far as the Indian wars and sovereignty go it was trade deals and raids Which folowed with retaliation and regurgitated revenge killings and property seizures. All with the use of force. These were then settled by military raids and campaigns these actions brought about generalization and labels in Wich to dehumanize and bring battle and for some revenge style justice. Wich fed to the idea of the expanding the sovereignty west bound as most find death and war to be of great profit. The issue here is more akin to the English nobility and the treatment of the commoners and peasants on their land and how the people were denied human rights based on the circumstances of ownership of the land. Like a road to the chapel being blocked or fenced for the cattle or sheep to the detriment of would be religious peasants but this not their land so what rightfully could they do. The chapel being a source of their lives where meal share and learning may take place on what is a public good Towards a money hungry exploitive bureaucrat Noble. At least from the bias of this recorded piece.
They could actually just get rid of the road altogether, it’s their road now. They put build a mansion right in the middle of the street where the gate is even
@Theory of a StrawMan no they never said that the road was owned by the former owner they said the former owner kept the property open for other t enjoy
If there is a fire, firefighters put civilian right secondary to the fire. It sounds bad but it is actually necessary to ensure public safety. If they need to get to a fire they will one way or another. That’s why it is illegal to block fire hydrants, and if you do, they CAN and WILL smash your windows and run the hose straight through your car.
@@champandhomie Ageed, imo if a vehicle is blocking a hydrant, firemen must go through or (under a high vehicle if access is easier) and the vehicle user has to pay for damages out of their pocket -no insurance claims allowed, and they also have to pay compensation to the fire department for inconveniencing them.
I worked for BLM and encountered this more than a few times. I advised my supervisor and they cut locks and informed owner that leased the land that it was a public road. Problem solved. If the forest service doesn't comply because the Wilkes are rich, then I would approach the person immediately in front of the Wilke's gate to put up similar gate, thereby denying access by the Wilkes brothers to their own land. Then negotiate they would open their gate if the Wilkes opened their gate.
@larry james the problem is, this brothers have no reason to go there! i don`t know the laws in the us, but in my country every landowner, or the munincipality must give an other landowner a "paths right" or "accsess" to his property by a short and reasonable way from a near public road! if this is an old agreement and is not dokumented, what it usally is, applies after 40 years of using this road, a right too use it automatically. the public is anyway allowed to enter any forest! (but no cars, no motorbikes, no quads. on certain rural roads mountain bikes are ok. of course no open fire, no hunting and dogs..... on the leash!)
@Matthew Smith Excuse me for interjecting, but the original road was built by the Forest Service in the 1950's to open up the area for logging, fire control and recreation. It shows up on topography maps dating back to 1960. The road has been maintained by the Forest Service from that time.
@Matthew Smith FEDERAL property, not state or county like a great majority of Idaho. Enforcement of such property rights and access is a federal issue.
@Matthew Smith The PRIVATE land was sold, not the federal land. The land holdings in that region were held by lumber companies and miners. Access by road was desired by all parties involved. Often the lumber companies cost shared the building and maintenance of the roads. What needs to be looked into is the original agreements about access through the private lands and how those agreements have been amended. IF the private property owners do get control over those roads, they will also have to take full responsibility for maintaining them. And if a forest fire breaks out on their property, the government can also demand payment for services rendered.
in the uk we have traditional walk ways and tracks going back hundreds of years and we as the public have access even if they go through private property / land
we have the same , it's called the constitution of both the federal and state level. Both of which grant citizens of America freedom of movement. As long as I do no damage or cost the land owner no money, their is nothing they can do to me for crossing private property. Also over rules presidents and governors lock down rules/orders. They simply do not have the power to restrict our rights. No one person does
In the UK you have "Travellers rights" which required a huge social movement to make happen. You should tead about it. It is fascinating. We don't have those rights in the US the closest we have is a useage right. Example I've walked across a field to get to work for 10 years. Someone new buys it, puts up a fence and starts building a building that would prevent me from doing so. Per us lae they have to make reasonable accomodation..perhaps moving the building and installing gates I have access too
Wrong bozo it’s the belief people put on money and the illusion the government wants people to keep on believing in money. People make the rules but the illusion of money gets in there way
They violated federal easement law by closing off forest service roads. This all comes down to a basic matter of civil respect which these Texas billionaires seem to be lacking. I hope they pass laws that will make these idiots think twice about blocking a federally mandated road.
Federally mandated road on private property. Yeah that is in the constitution somewhere right? Right next to the section where the bill of rights was just a guideline and not a directive to the government to step off. I get why the road is there. I get why the forestry service wants to have access but there are better ways to do this than pass laws that will undoubtedly be abused. Just make them responsible for fire access. Simple solution. I bet they didn't even originally know it was a forestry road and I bet you that the owners were not even the ones that put in the gate or the lock. They most likely have a property management company doing that.
What part of private property do you not understand, it’s private property. Previous owners were nice enough to let people use it. New owners, new rules. Plain and simple, they don’t have to let anybody use that Road, it’s their property. how would you like it if someone came and told you what to do with your property, to let people drive all over it and litter on it.
@@carsfabio The issue is the road may not actually be private. If it is an access road then it is public property. Sure if it is not an access road then they can do whatever they want but on my land I have a public access road that runs right through a section and I legally can't block it because it is for emergency vehicles, and to access the BLM land my property blocks.
@@shaverlocal I think you misunderstand what I’m saying. If the road is a public road that happens to run through private property, they exist, then because it’s a public access road for emergency vehicles the only people who have a right to block it off is the county or state that owns it. Doesn’t matter who originally owned the road it only matters who currently owns the road. If the road is private property he can do whatever he wants with it.
@AI B We The People created that easement by simply using the road. Now that our access has been blocked the good citizens of Idaho, Colorado, Utah, and other states where this is happening will have to go to the courts for relief.
i spoke with a guy in 2018 who was bear hunting in that area. i made a comment about the new gates. he told me he did not care he had been hunting that area for over 20 years and was going to keep doing so. bless him!
If only people would understand how easements work we wouldn’t have this issue, sadly even in Texas this is always an issue, gates and locks on public easements.
I agree mostly but it’s been known that reporters have reached out in such ways that they can’t be contacted so that they can say that they did not receive a response. I’m not saying that’s the case here but it does happen. So take for example if I sent an email at 3 o’clock in the morning and then I published my report at 6 AM and then I technically could say I reached out for comment but received no response
Jon Gregg Force? No one forcing them to break the law. The clowns who run the government are selling land and the real question is to who’s benefit? We have the same issues here and it’s ridiculous. I personally want to stop electing individuals and have a vote on everything. We are a digital age. We could once a week sit at our computers, log in, and vote. This nonsense of individuals having this much authority is not working. Especially when we the people have ZERO recourse.
The Weapon Collection unless there is easements for the road the state did you wrong. My state has done the same things. We the people get the short end while they the politicians gain.
The Weapon Collection you can say the previous owner understood the process, but that may not be the case. The previous owner may not have cared to invest any time or money to do anything other than sit and wait around for someone to offer up money for a lot of undeveloped property. This story doesn’t have the hard facts as to whether the public has legal easement or not. Right/wrong/indifferent, I would imagine that unless something make s the new property owners happy from back room meetings that would make this a non issue, the Billionaires will somehow make this situation very advantageous to their own benefit.
Those millions are meaningless. this land “purchase” is just a feeble attempt at making them have value. But this only exists as long as it is enforced. It’s all a sick delusion
There's good & bad people in all income levels. My Grandmother was wealthy but drove around a Volkswagen beetle because she liked it. She never had a bad thing to say to anyone & donated most of her wealth to many charities that deal with animals & mental health.
The state needs to declare an "easement" for the access road to be open. And, anyone who uses the easement, cannot tresspass on the lands adjacent to the road, only the state park areas. This is COMMONPLACE in america, when private lands surround public land...and, utility companies need certain areas(small, narrow strips) for access for delivery of product and maintenance. This is why we have EASEMENTS in america. EVERY home that i have owned has had a small easement on the land, on ALL four sides of rectangular lots.
@HIS Footprints OnWater yes...you DO make a point...what the county or state has to do is to buy a portion of the land that will allow access to the center. And, if no one is willing, then, the state/feds can access, but, not be used for "public use." someone in the state gov't screwed up, if that state/county/fed land is locked inside private property, but, then, again, this kind of thing is commonplace in places like MI, but, it is the REVERSE situation- USUALLY, government land owns the circumfrence and, surrounds private land, not vice-versa... it is actually an odd situation in a way...
In North Carolina there's something called a prescriptive easement or adverse possession. You could argue that since the public has had long standing access and had maintained and improved the road that have rights to access that convey with the land.
Just as the rich continue to private landlock the Ocean in California; this is private entities working to landlock public lands. It is also called thieving whether by an individual or individuals.
people come from other places because they like what they see and note how different it is compared to where they come from. Then they go about changing everything to make it like it is where they came from. Think of the Californians or people leaving the expensive and highly regulated north eastern states and their migrations south and west. What is the first thing they do? You guessed it, bring there thoughts, ideas, and beliefs from home and criticize the locals for doing it wrong or having backward ideas! The ruin it and ultimately change the character of the place they fell in love with.
The people of Idaho should force an eminent domain seizure of all public land sold to private developers. These sales were clearly done under bribery of public officials and must be reversed.
There usually is a law that tells of when a public access road becomes a true public road because of the amount and length of public use. I would like to know what the Forest Service would have to say if their access is also cut off. "Sorry rich boys, you are going to have to fight that wildfire yourself since you cut us off. Too bad if it burns all your expensive real estate in the process. Heck, you have tons of money, buy some fire trucks."
If it is a public road there will be records indicating it..The fact they havent found any may indicate it wasnt really a public road as much as it was one that was used by the public..Any follow up information on this???
The road had to be put in on a easement if not then the road is illegal so everybody needs to look at the property lines and easement lines to find out who's at fault.... A lot of farms have roads cut through them.... I think the problem is on the previous owner allowed the road without an easement so nothing was ever changed and now new owner is making a big deal about it
Ammon and Cliven Bundy warned everyone. Obama was land grabbing threw the bureau of land management. The billionaires clubs were buying. BLM has bee pulling this stunt for awhile. U.S. Fish and wildlife are in on it.
not that simple. it sounds crazy, but there are non-national forest lands within the boundaries of the national forest. the west half of the boise national forest is pretty chopped up.
So some guys bought some land for sale that had a forest service road (not public road) running thru it and decided to close said road on their property. I dont see the issue here? The road was "allowed" there by the original owners for one reason. For the forest service to use. Not for public and off road vehicles as the video stated was happening.
This is what title companies and contracts are for. Either the road is public or there is an easement and it is written down somewhere or it is not. If it is not well to bad it's private property and you need to negotiate or purchase those rights even if you use eminent domain you must still pay market value for the takings
Same thing happened here in Southern Oregon over the last 30 years. That public land, thats behind someone's newly locked gate, is now lost to the public. And the people who put up gates, sure as hell won't give you permission to access the publics land behind their new million dollar property. On another note we have a sad joke here. Californians flooded Southern Oregon, drove up housing prices, changed the town and cut off public lands. So the Native Oregonian's fled to Idaho to get away and the Idahoan's complained about the damn people from Oregon 🤣. If you move to a new town or area, fit in... Don't change everything to your liking.
There is a doctrine in law called "adverse possession", in which, if the use of a road is allowed over a long period of time, the users acquire a right to continue using it. If I needed to, I would just use it anyway, the owners have no practical way to stop them, local law enforcement is not going to waste resources to enforce a trespassing complaint, if the absent landowners sue, they would likely face a hostile jury, and they have no provable damages.
Private property means stay out. No ifs or nots. In Texas if a Rancher needs to get to their property going thru your property they would have an agreement that you would respect the property you are going thru. There would put a special lock where each owner could open to go thru. The Forrest Rangers could also have a lock. No free hunting or hiking for you would be trespassing.
No need to get drastic. Most padlocks are poorly designed and can be easily picked. Just identify the padlock they use, go to the Lockpicking Lawyer's or Bosnian Bill's channels and find out how to pop it open. Some locks don't even require a lockpick, and can be opened with a soda can tab or even just a simple pin.
Land owners do this here in Louisiana and Texas even on publicly paved roads. I don't own a vehicle so for me it can add hours to get from point a to b.
It’s very simple, If the road is on private property then no trespassing allowed by the land owner. If the road is public property then a fence needs to be installed on each side of the road. The end Ps - I never went to college
Actually....it very well could be a national forest access road or legal easement across private property to get to national forest or bom ground. And no.... no fencing is required to delineate the easement. But the issue is that the public has always been allowed access. There are all kinds of access roads where only firefighting and construction equipment have access. Just because federal employees can use a road to access federal lands dies not make it a publicly accessible easement.
Recently, my aunt passed away in june and left me a large plot of land (300 acres) with no buildings on it. The local government offered to pay me $8000 every 6 months to let them build a road through the property and rent out 5 acres so the local officials use as storage space for city vehicles. I don't even live in the same state and I told them that as long as they keep everything and everyone clean, legal, and safe, I won't charge them more than what the taxes for the land would cost.
I know that its fashionable to call out the "Texas Brothers" because they are out of towners for putting up gates that close a couple of roads to public lands, but do you people realize that the single biggest landowner that locks people out of public land is our own Idaho local Simplot Corp? They have gates and road closures up that isolate hundreds of thousands of acres of public land that effectively makes it THEIR land. I don't hear people bitching about that. I don't hold the private landowner accountable for wanting to keep people out of their land - its no different than you putting up a fence around your yard in Boise. But we need to hold our elected public officials accountable for not coordinating with them to lock us out. Its our officials that should have gotten the proper easement to OUR land and if the private landowners got over on them then we should be pissed at our elected officials, not the private landowners. Look it up - hundreds of thousands of acres effectively locked up by simplot and a handful of landowners in the Owyhees. No wonder they were so quick to give in on the wilderness designation..... Don't blame the Texans when the biggest offender is an Idahoan.
I had a rancher/farmer try to kick me off of public land when I was hunting by first, lying to me, and claiming it was private land.. I told him I knew it was BLM land and public hunting was allowed..Then he tied to tell me I couldn't "hopscotch" from one public piece to another public piece by crossing over private land.. because the lands where I hunted is a patchwork "checkerboard" of public and private land... I guess he thought he had me there..I told him to look at his topo maps again because the longitudinal and latitude lines did not meet exactly and there was a 20-40 yard wide strip where you can cross without trespassing onto private land.. and since this was such an issue I needed to see his drivers license because harassment of hunters on public lands was illegal too..After a few moments pause he wished me good luck and rode off.. Know your rights.. be polite, but don't let the ranchers try to buffalo you into not being able to access BLM land because they will try to sell that privilege through "hunting clubs"
Politicians should not be allowed to sell public land without express public permission. We need to hold our leaders accountable for their actions. These two brothers most probably paid politicians a bribe in the form of campaign contributions or gifts and perks to reduce the price for the land they bought.
The full story is that people were trespassing on their private land. If you want fairness it should be applied to all private landowners . Listen I understand that in this day & age wealth & success incites anger & jealousy. But they have the right to demand that the entities that oversee the use of this public road to keep people on it & not on private property. By the way, I am far from rich . But I am for people having a say on the use of their land.
PolSmokesPot { ولد الوجيهي } no they don’t, it’s inside a private property who the previous owners allowed people use it now they sold it and the new owner want it closedown. So no is not own by Idaho people.
It all really depends on what the land lease says if it has it in the lease that there Is a public right of way then that is illegal but if it was never add to the lease then that's what you call and old fashion land lock
Think of it as a house.. and people want to go though your house and back yard to get to the other side... he's wrong. that is not a public road. It's a service road maintained for fire fighters... They bought it. It's theirs.. get over it
They have a right to protect your property or closed off sections but roads are open for Access for fire or emergency if the roads been established there for a long. Of time there public access roads in most States
I'm sorry... I heard that correctly. These brothers bought the land. It's now their land. They own it. It's no longer public property it is now privet property.
They say this problem can only be solved with legislation or legal action but I’m thinking torches and pitchforks always have gotten the job done and I think they always will
They can fence and post either side of the public road, but you can't block a public road because you think you can. It's a public road. It's no different than a private land owner being told they can't access their private property because they have to use a road that runs through a wildlife refuge and the .gov has decided block their lawful easement access.
No one can buy anything unless someone wants to sell it. Also it's there land they should be able to do whatever they want. Feeling dont matter and shouldnt matter by law.
To the DFD company and the Wilkes brothers in this video: Either remove the gates and let innocent people travel that road or go to jail for keeping innocent people from traveling that road. To add insult to injury, you are unlawfully keeping public officials off that land and that in and of itself is illegal and those public officials can add charges on top of the aforementioned charges.
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Public roads passing through private land remain public roadways, all across the nation.
the question is, was that road maybe before the land was sold? is a access road to the property and therefore attached to the property?
If that were the case it would be reflected on the title/deed. if the road is part of the deed there should be some kind of easement indicated.
if going through the property is the ONLY way to get to another property then the state can force an easement. if there are alternative means to get to another property then people will and should use that.
@angry bushnell
you are sure this roadway go to somewhere beyond their privat land?
jutwerner yes they clearly state the road is the access point for public land. Becouse it is a forestry service access road, it belongs to the federal government and is legally open to the public.
Who maintains the road? The forest service?
Blocking forest service roads is a fire hazzard
@Joey Barreras front doors are not a fire hazzard.
A front door is very different than a gate. When fighting fires, a front door restricts airflow to the fire. This causes the fire to not spread as fast. That is why fire fighters need to check doors for heat before they open them. A gate does not restrict air, it restricts access. The fire will blow right past a gate. Firefighters and rescue vehicles need roads for access. Depending on the gate and the location and installation, going around or through it may net be possible. Since these guys are from texas i would assume they know how to build a gate..
@Joey Barreras ok, there is no difference between gas and diesel then, both make your car run, so, go fill your car with diesel. See what your semantics lands you.
Ryan Smith they never said they are land locked there might be another road in from somewhere els said the previous owner let them doesn’t mean the next owner has to !!! Unless it’s put in the sale agreement !!!
Dont worry...we bust through them if there is a wildfire.
Native Americans had the same complaint long ago.
Funny story this guy bought private land on a mountian in the wind river indian reservation (he was a rich guy from back east). The previous owners were really cool and let natives hunt or go through their land. But he decided to put nails on the cattle guard so no one was able to drive onto his land. There were a couple people that got flat tires from it. A couple guys i know just cut his barbed wire fence with bolt cutters and kept on going. They were never caught and the guy has yet to fix the fence.
Yeah but they lost
thequack1968 they’re still mostly alive and well across North and South America.
Not really native Americans had sovereignty denial and lack of enforcement Wich is a common issue when encounters take place along extreme cultural and economic differences. It would be like settling you on Mars without representative or local sovereignty but enforcing sovereignty outside means and capability of Earth. Your rebellion would be imminent. Earth would not be able to directly challenge your sovereignty. At least in any immediate way. Native Americans politically chose the economic super powers and ceded sovereignty over their direct enemies this intiated war between the economic super power in the defense of their new territory and or citizens. It's not a collective generalization that all native Americans had issues with land control.
You can look at northern plains native Americans and see how that sovereignty imposed on lesser tribes was quite brutal far beyond the necessity. Especially in comparison to Western doctrines and culture. So no most native Americans did not have the same complaint long ago. Your applying politics and moral understanding of today's post world war lens to people who would never comprehend a world war. As the civil war was the closest thing since and before that the Crimean war. As far as the Indian wars and sovereignty go it was trade deals and raids Which folowed with retaliation and regurgitated revenge killings and property seizures. All with the use of force. These were then settled by military raids and campaigns these actions brought about generalization and labels in Wich to dehumanize and bring battle and for some revenge style justice. Wich fed to the idea of the expanding the sovereignty west bound as most find death and war to be of great profit.
The issue here is more akin to the English nobility and the treatment of the commoners and peasants on their land and how the people were denied human rights based on the circumstances of ownership of the land. Like a road to the chapel being blocked or fenced for the cattle or sheep to the detriment of would be religious peasants but this not their land so what rightfully could they do. The chapel being a source of their lives where meal share and learning may take place on what is a public good Towards a money hungry exploitive bureaucrat Noble. At least from the bias of this recorded piece.
Right. It didn't matter then, it doesn't matter now
That's why we don't have hardly any public lands in Texas. Every thing has a lock on it and only money is the key!
Joey Barreras That’s public land.
Big Bend park - is that not “public” ? Its enormous - many sections of land - not sure what you meant
@@billmeriwether605 You wanna live there?
alwaysopen
live in a public park? - Have you ever been there? - I have - its gorgeous - there are a lot of visitors and an incredible golf course
And this is a problem? 😑
Knock down the gates. They own both sides of the road, not the road.
Only police or fire department can do this. They don’t need a warrant. Just bolt cutters (or a free surplus tank)
They could actually just get rid of the road altogether, it’s their road now. They put build a mansion right in the middle of the street where the gate is even
@@thomasa4239 Or some thermite.
@Theory of a StrawMan no they never said that the road was owned by the former owner they said the former owner kept the property open for other t enjoy
Exactly
If it’s a public road you can’t block it. Period.
Sounds like common sense to me
it a road in middle of nowhere.... so yeah they would try to do that...
It's not tho sadly
Its not
If was a public road the law would’ve done something sooner. People are idiots
It's the golden rule. He who has the gold, makes the rules!
actually its the property owner makes the rules, as it should be
@David Moore why do you think the government is trying to take guns from law abiding citizens.
Big changes are planed.
That people will not like.
I thought the Golden Rule was Bros before hoes
The one who put a value on gold in the first place makes the rule!
There's no business like snow business!
The owners are free to build a fence along the easement at their own expense.
@Steve Johnson Do you understand how easements work,dumb-dumb?
So if there’s a fire, the fire trucks can’t get there.
And there wont be people arouns to see I'm till its to late
If there is a fire, firefighters put civilian right secondary to the fire. It sounds bad but it is actually necessary to ensure public safety. If they need to get to a fire they will one way or another. That’s why it is illegal to block fire hydrants, and if you do, they CAN and WILL smash your windows and run the hose straight through your car.
@@champandhomie Ageed, imo if a vehicle is blocking a hydrant, firemen must go through or (under a high vehicle if access is easier) and the vehicle user has to pay for damages out of their pocket -no insurance claims allowed, and they also have to pay compensation to the fire department for inconveniencing them.
@@olivertaylor4779 Plus a nice costly ticket from the police.
What kind of fire truck doesn't come equipped with bolt cutters?
I worked for BLM and encountered this more than a few times. I advised my supervisor and they cut locks and informed owner that leased the land that it was a public road. Problem solved. If the forest service doesn't comply because the Wilkes are rich, then I would approach the person immediately in front of the Wilke's gate to put up similar gate, thereby denying access by the Wilkes brothers to their own land. Then negotiate they would open their gate if the Wilkes opened their gate.
@larry james
the problem is, this brothers have no reason to go there! i don`t know the laws in the us, but in my country every landowner, or the munincipality must give an other landowner a "paths right" or "accsess" to his property by a short and reasonable way from a near public road! if this is an old agreement and is not dokumented, what it usally is, applies after 40 years of using this road, a right too use it automatically. the public is anyway allowed to enter any forest! (but no cars, no motorbikes, no quads. on certain rural roads mountain bikes are ok. of course no open fire, no hunting and dogs..... on the leash!)
You are so dumb
@Matthew Smith Excuse me for interjecting, but the original road was built by the Forest Service in the 1950's to open up the area for logging, fire control and recreation. It shows up on topography maps dating back to 1960. The road has been maintained by the Forest Service from that time.
@Matthew Smith FEDERAL property, not state or county like a great majority of Idaho. Enforcement of such property rights and access is a federal issue.
@Matthew Smith The PRIVATE land was sold, not the federal land. The land holdings in that region were held by lumber companies and miners. Access by road was desired by all parties involved. Often the lumber companies cost shared the building and maintenance of the roads. What needs to be looked into is the original agreements about access through the private lands and how those agreements have been amended. IF the private property owners do get control over those roads, they will also have to take full responsibility for maintaining them. And if a forest fire breaks out on their property, the government can also demand payment for services rendered.
If Billionaires own it, you've already lost.
BookCade NB Ain’t that the truth!
Not unless they're dead
If billionaires want it, youve already lost it
cut there nuts off
Yep, they own the governemnt
Weyerhaeuser tried doing that here. Odd how their timber land started burning. They opened it back up and the fires stopped too.
checks and balances
The rich being greedy? Nothing new there!
really? do you let people walk through your back yard?
They’re greedy for not wanting people on something they paid for?
@@handyman7748 does your back yard get maintained through public tax money?
Nothing new under the sun
Public easement
in the uk we have traditional walk ways and tracks going back hundreds of years and we as the public have access even if they go through private property / land
we have the same , it's called the constitution of both the federal and state level. Both of which grant citizens of America freedom of movement. As long as I do no damage or cost the land owner no money, their is nothing they can do to me for crossing private property.
Also over rules presidents and governors lock down rules/orders. They simply do not have the power to restrict our rights. No one person does
@@johnaustin6673 none of this is true and you've neither read nor understand the constitution
In the UK you have "Travellers rights" which required a huge social movement to make happen. You should tead about it. It is fascinating. We don't have those rights in the US the closest we have is a useage right. Example I've walked across a field to get to work for 10 years. Someone new buys it, puts up a fence and starts building a building that would prevent me from doing so. Per us lae they have to make reasonable accomodation..perhaps moving the building and installing gates I have access too
@@charlesreid9337 I understand it way more than you
@@charlesreid9337 not to mention I have studied it for decades. So it's you that have never read it, nor understand it
Money makes rules. Look at how many states are weed dealers now. Money is all that matters
@Max Power it is both. People generally wanted it because it wasn't dangerous but the states found it good for $$$
Wrong bozo it’s the belief people put on money and the illusion the government wants people to keep on believing in money. People make the rules but the illusion of money gets in there way
Well weed isn't bad and neither is not letting people use your property
Also casinos
You should be happy about the legalization of weed the government kept this right from us for too long
Ok, it’s been over a year, what’s the update?
Road access to public lands...from private land...should of been dealt with at the time of purchase.
They know , they are bullies .
Iam from Texas those brothers are thief’s
Why you said that
They violated federal easement law by closing off forest service roads. This all comes down to a basic matter of civil respect which these Texas billionaires seem to be lacking. I hope they pass laws that will make these idiots think twice about blocking a federally mandated road.
Federally mandated road on private property. Yeah that is in the constitution somewhere right? Right next to the section where the bill of rights was just a guideline and not a directive to the government to step off. I get why the road is there. I get why the forestry service wants to have access but there are better ways to do this than pass laws that will undoubtedly be abused. Just make them responsible for fire access. Simple solution. I bet they didn't even originally know it was a forestry road and I bet you that the owners were not even the ones that put in the gate or the lock. They most likely have a property management company doing that.
What part of private property do you not understand, it’s private property. Previous owners were nice enough to let people use it. New owners, new rules. Plain and simple, they don’t have to let anybody use that Road, it’s their property. how would you like it if someone came and told you what to do with your property, to let people drive all over it and litter on it.
@@carsfabio The issue is the road may not actually be private. If it is an access road then it is public property. Sure if it is not an access road then they can do whatever they want but on my land I have a public access road that runs right through a section and I legally can't block it because it is for emergency vehicles, and to access the BLM land my property blocks.
@@brandonandreski1709 So, who originally owned the road? It wasn't the forest circus. Who has the legal right to sell public roads?
@@shaverlocal I think you misunderstand what I’m saying. If the road is a public road that happens to run through private property, they exist, then because it’s a public access road for emergency vehicles the only people who have a right to block it off is the county or state that owns it. Doesn’t matter who originally owned the road it only matters who currently owns the road. If the road is private property he can do whatever he wants with it.
Billionaire beaches were shot down in California
It’s my birthright to access any beach on the Pacific Ocean
Screw California if you live in California you should think about escaping
@@desertdogg9773 that's not very brave
@@desertdogg9773 stupid comment.
California always sells out. It a corrupt government
Yeah liberals made enough space for you to live on the street
Their already is laws regarding easement roads.
Remember when these guys promised not to do this?!
The fact they're declining to comment speaks volumes.
They declined to comment because its unnecessary. They paid for it so they do what they want with it
The public long ago created an easement across that land guaranteeing public access to federal land. Stand up for your rights America!
@AI B We The People created that easement by simply using the road. Now that our access has been blocked the good citizens of Idaho, Colorado, Utah, and other states where this is happening will have to go to the courts for relief.
I am. I'm standing up for my right to own property and do what I please with it. Nobody can tell you what to do with property you paid for
i spoke with a guy in 2018 who was bear hunting in that area. i made a comment about the new gates. he told me he did not care he had been hunting that area for over 20 years and was going to keep doing so. bless him!
What you’re “standing up” for is a lie.
If only people would understand how easements work we wouldn’t have this issue, sadly even in Texas this is always an issue, gates and locks on public easements.
The don't own the road.
I agree mostly but it’s been known that reporters have reached out in such ways that they can’t be contacted so that they can say that they did not receive a response. I’m not saying that’s the case here but it does happen.
So take for example if I sent an email at 3 o’clock in the morning and then I published my report at 6 AM and then I technically could say I reached out for comment but received no response
Follow the money. I'm guessing these brothers donated $$ to local reps to get this done. Corruption affects us all.
I love how "we reached out and recieved no comment" is always attached to people who know they are in the wrong.
Well said!
Wrong, and pretty dumb.
@@oldbatwit5102 yuh
And nothing ever happens about it.
@@marshallsweatherhiking1820 not usually.
Well tell your state to stop selling it! Or get a right of way
If you force law abiding citizens to be criminals to get access to public land. It's gonna be bad
Jon Gregg Force? No one forcing them to break the law.
The clowns who run the government are selling land and the real question is to who’s benefit?
We have the same issues here and it’s ridiculous. I personally want to stop electing individuals and have a vote on everything. We are a digital age. We could once a week sit at our computers, log in, and vote. This nonsense of individuals having this much authority is not working. Especially when we the people have ZERO recourse.
@@wwrite agree!
The Weapon Collection unless there is easements for the road the state did you wrong. My state has done the same things. We the people get the short end while they the politicians gain.
The Weapon Collection you can say the previous owner understood the process, but that may not be the case. The previous owner may not have cared to invest any time or money to do anything other than sit and wait around for someone to offer up money for a lot of undeveloped property.
This story doesn’t have the hard facts as to whether the public has legal easement or not. Right/wrong/indifferent, I would imagine that unless something make s the new property owners happy from back room meetings that would make this a non issue, the Billionaires will somehow make this situation very advantageous to their own benefit.
So get a posse together and make the gate disappear every time it reappears.
Just get rid of the brothers burn them in the field they owned
And get arrested for theift
@@paulrasmussen8953 Only if theyre stupid enough to get caught. They seem like resourceful enough people to know how to not get caught.
There has got to be a good ole Boy with a big truck that can open that gate without much trouble.
Must suck to have millions and millions and millions of dollars and STILL be suffering from boredom
Those millions are meaningless. this land “purchase” is just a feeble attempt at making them have value. But this only exists as long as it is enforced. It’s all a sick delusion
What do you expect from rich people? The only way to counter them is to ignore them and do what you want anyways.
There's good & bad people in all income levels. My Grandmother was wealthy but drove around a Volkswagen beetle because she liked it. She never had a bad thing to say to anyone & donated most of her wealth to many charities that deal with animals & mental health.
The state needs to declare an "easement" for the access road to be open. And, anyone who uses the easement, cannot tresspass on the lands adjacent to the road, only the state park areas. This is COMMONPLACE in america, when private lands surround public land...and, utility companies need certain areas(small, narrow strips) for access for delivery of product and maintenance. This is why we have EASEMENTS in america. EVERY home that i have owned has had a small easement on the land, on ALL four sides of rectangular lots.
@HIS Footprints OnWater yes...you DO make a point...what the county or state has to do is to buy a portion of the land that will allow access to the center. And, if no one is willing, then, the state/feds can access, but, not be used for "public use." someone in the state gov't screwed up, if that state/county/fed land is locked inside private property, but, then, again, this kind of thing is commonplace in places like MI, but, it is the REVERSE situation- USUALLY, government land owns the circumfrence and, surrounds private land, not vice-versa...
it is actually an odd situation in a way...
@HIS Footprints OnWater me too.
Is happening in Oregon , ask any Billionaire near Sprague River.
I'm in Oregon. I always love it when their fresh new gates get pulled down every weekend.
The government can force them to pull them down under right under eminent domain. Perhaps Idahoans should get together and fight these guys.
The government? You mean that swamp thing most Republicans hate? Good luck with that. The Wilks pay for their reelection campaigns.
@freEvo8 its too late they already sold it to them. They can do what they want with it now
In North Carolina there's something called a prescriptive easement or adverse possession.
You could argue that since the public has had long standing access and had maintained and improved the road that have rights to access that convey with the land.
Just as the rich continue to private landlock the Ocean in California; this is private entities working to landlock public lands. It is also called thieving whether by an individual or individuals.
Agenda 21 in action.
I'm guessing this is somewhere south of the gate (which is also on NF-374) that blocks access to the KTVB broadcast tower? Just sayin....
That's basically saying that the forest service and firefighters aren't allowed
If there is a threat to life or property a chain and padlock will never even slow down a firefighter.
@@navydoc8695 they have no authority to step foot on the property.
Any resolution to this issue ?
people come from other places because they like what they see and note how different it is compared to where they come from. Then they go about changing everything to make it like it is where they came from. Think of the Californians or people leaving the expensive and highly regulated north eastern states and their migrations south and west. What is the first thing they do? You guessed it, bring there thoughts, ideas, and beliefs from home and criticize the locals for doing it wrong or having backward ideas! The ruin it and ultimately change the character of the place they fell in love with.
They destroy everything. Everywhere. They believe in nothing.
They do the same thing to people here in Texas. It isn't custom
here so much as what money is allowed to get away with.
Could always install a drawbridge. Have it on remote and it lowers over the 3 foot deep trench through the road. ;)
Time for the government to force the issue.
No. It's their land their rights
Is it an official public road or just an access road? Ie: fire trail?
The people of Idaho should force an eminent domain seizure of all public land sold to private developers. These sales were clearly done under bribery of public officials and must be reversed.
In Oregon the forest service blocks off roads.
Cut them down and send them to the billionaires.
is the road in question on their property? if so they are allowed to limit or prevent access.
Just because you own land on both sides of the road doesn't mean you own the road.
not if there is a public easement
true but was the road made by the owner or public works, that would make a difference wouldn't it
There usually is a law that tells of when a public access road becomes a true public road because of the amount and length of public use. I would like to know what the Forest Service would have to say if their access is also cut off. "Sorry rich boys, you are going to have to fight that wildfire yourself since you cut us off. Too bad if it burns all your expensive real estate in the process. Heck, you have tons of money, buy some fire trucks."
If it is a public road there will be records indicating it..The fact they havent found any may indicate it wasnt really a public road as much as it was one that was used by the public..Any follow up information on this???
The road had to be put in on a easement if not then the road is illegal so everybody needs to look at the property lines and easement lines to find out who's at fault.... A lot of farms have roads cut through them.... I think the problem is on the previous owner allowed the road without an easement so nothing was ever changed and now new owner is making a big deal about it
As they should
How can they secure your family or heirs property?
Its a national forest area they cannot sell the land for harvest .
Someone did.
Ammon and Cliven Bundy warned everyone. Obama was land grabbing threw the bureau of land management. The billionaires clubs were buying. BLM has bee pulling this stunt for awhile. U.S. Fish and wildlife are in on it.
They are buying private land..not public land.
Well apparently they can dummy
not that simple. it sounds crazy, but there are non-national forest lands within the boundaries of the national forest. the west half of the boise national forest is pretty chopped up.
So some guys bought some land for sale that had a forest service road (not public road) running thru it and decided to close said road on their property. I dont see the issue here? The road was "allowed" there by the original owners for one reason. For the forest service to use. Not for public and off road vehicles as the video stated was happening.
This is what title companies and contracts are for. Either the road is public or there is an easement and it is written down somewhere or it is not. If it is not well to bad it's private property and you need to negotiate or purchase those rights even if you use eminent domain you must still pay market value for the takings
What ever happened to Easments?
your supposed to have one before you build the road
They admitted that the road was private and previous owners allowed use... the new owners don't want you there, go around..
The road is public and was maintained by taxpayers. The land is private.
That’s like buying all the houses on a street and then blocking off the road.
@@winecraft5009 no because I dont own the street but they do own the road totally different
@@jordanlittle5391 2:20 "It's been maintained by taxpayer dollars for decades."
You can't go around cause it depends what land is owned. Example if the own land 10 miles either direction of road than that's the go around point.
Same thing happened here in Southern Oregon over the last 30 years. That public land, thats behind someone's newly locked gate, is now lost to the public. And the people who put up gates, sure as hell won't give you permission to access the publics land behind their new million dollar property.
On another note we have a sad joke here. Californians flooded Southern Oregon, drove up housing prices, changed the town and cut off public lands. So the Native Oregonian's fled to Idaho to get away and the Idahoan's complained about the damn people from Oregon 🤣.
If you move to a new town or area, fit in... Don't change everything to your liking.
The boy scouts did the same thing in northern New Mexico
I suppose the alternative would be an eminent domain action on the land that road occupies.
Well they're billionaires so they automatically win.
do they have the mineral rights ? - mining act of 1872 may be a factor also..didn't hear mining or prospecting.
There is a doctrine in law called "adverse possession", in which, if the use of a road is allowed over a long period of time, the users acquire a right to continue using it. If I needed to, I would just use it anyway, the owners have no practical way to stop them, local law enforcement is not going to waste resources to enforce a trespassing complaint, if the absent landowners sue, they would likely face a hostile jury, and they have no provable damages.
Private property means stay out. No ifs or nots. In Texas if a Rancher needs to get to their property going thru your property they would have an agreement that you would respect the property you are going thru. There would put a special lock where each owner could open to go thru. The Forrest Rangers could also have a lock. No free hunting or hiking for you would be trespassing.
There's not much an Acetylene torch can't fix 💥
Or a Stihl chop saw.
A good torch is a good tool. Claim your right to access your public lands.
No need to get drastic. Most padlocks are poorly designed and can be easily picked. Just identify the padlock they use, go to the Lockpicking Lawyer's or Bosnian Bill's channels and find out how to pop it open. Some locks don't even require a lockpick, and can be opened with a soda can tab or even just a simple pin.
Land owners do this here in Louisiana and Texas even on publicly paved roads. I don't own a vehicle so for me it can add hours to get from point a to b.
Owners can control their property. Emergency personnel can be given key access in emergencies .
The roadway is not theirs to lock. They can gate their driveway.
@@HandymanKurt yes it is theirs
Bitterroot valley in Montana locked up by corporate thefts years ago.
It’s very simple,
If the road is on private property then no trespassing allowed by the land owner.
If the road is public property then a fence needs to be installed on each side of the road.
The end
Ps - I never went to college
Actually....it very well could be a national forest access road or legal easement across private property to get to national forest or bom ground. And no.... no fencing is required to delineate the easement. But the issue is that the public has always been allowed access. There are all kinds of access roads where only firefighting and construction equipment have access. Just because federal employees can use a road to access federal lands dies not make it a publicly accessible easement.
george symons I guess that’s option 3 then. Shared by everyone. This court is adjourned......and I never went to college 😂
What ever became of this access road?
If it's a privet road and they own the property then it's legal. They have the right to do this. Public and private are two different things.
Recently, my aunt passed away in june and left me a large plot of land (300 acres) with no buildings on it. The local government offered to pay me $8000 every 6 months to let them build a road through the property and rent out 5 acres so the local officials use as storage space for city vehicles. I don't even live in the same state and I told them that as long as they keep everything and everyone clean, legal, and safe, I won't charge them more than what the taxes for the land would cost.
I know that its fashionable to call out the "Texas Brothers" because they are out of towners for putting up gates that close a couple of roads to public lands, but do you people realize that the single biggest landowner that locks people out of public land is our own Idaho local Simplot Corp? They have gates and road closures up that isolate hundreds of thousands of acres of public land that effectively makes it THEIR land. I don't hear people bitching about that.
I don't hold the private landowner accountable for wanting to keep people out of their land - its no different than you putting up a fence around your yard in Boise. But we need to hold our elected public officials accountable for not coordinating with them to lock us out. Its our officials that should have gotten the proper easement to OUR land and if the private landowners got over on them then we should be pissed at our elected officials, not the private landowners.
Look it up - hundreds of thousands of acres effectively locked up by simplot and a handful of landowners in the Owyhees. No wonder they were so quick to give in on the wilderness designation.....
Don't blame the Texans when the biggest offender is an Idahoan.
I had a rancher/farmer try to kick me off of public land when I was hunting by first, lying to me, and claiming it was private land.. I told him I knew it was BLM land and public hunting was allowed..Then he tied to tell me I couldn't "hopscotch" from one public piece to another public piece by crossing over private land.. because the lands where I hunted is a patchwork "checkerboard" of public and private land... I guess he thought he had me there..I told him to look at his topo maps again because the longitudinal and latitude lines did not meet exactly and there was a 20-40 yard wide strip where you can cross without trespassing onto private land.. and since this was such an issue I needed to see his drivers license because harassment of hunters on public lands was illegal too..After a few moments pause he wished me good luck and rode off.. Know your rights.. be polite, but don't let the ranchers try to buffalo you into not being able to access BLM land because they will try to sell that privilege through "hunting clubs"
Politicians should not be allowed to sell public land without express public permission. We need to hold our leaders accountable for their actions. These two brothers most probably paid politicians a bribe in the form of campaign contributions or gifts and perks to reduce the price for the land they bought.
Says Boise national forests. Meaning it’s not private.
There is private land tracts within national forest and outside the borders of national forest.
They sold it so now its private property. Do you not get how this works?
In Kalifornistan, you can sue to keep access based on past use of the road and land over time.
It's an easment... get a big truck removed it!
Its called bolt cutters. 20 bucks at home depot. Just check for a trail cam first
Unless it is plainly stated on the deed/title documents, there is no 'easement' or free access to privet property.
somebody know haw much is property tax for this land????
Get used to this. This is just the beginning
The full story is that people were trespassing on their private land. If you want fairness it should be applied to all private landowners . Listen I understand that in this day & age wealth & success incites anger & jealousy. But they have the right to demand that the entities that oversee the use of this public road to keep people on it & not on private property. By the way, I am far from rich . But I am for people having a say on the use of their land.
Who owns the road? There's the answer.
PolSmokesPot { ولد الوجيهي } no they don’t, it’s inside a private property who the previous owners allowed people use it now they sold it and the new owner want it closedown.
So no is not own by Idaho people.
what? Sorry but that federal land then last time i checked people cannot buy that?
I don’t agree, but if it is their land they have the complete right
That’s the thing the road isn’t theirs..........
The road must provide a purpose such as access to property. If the road was just access for recreation then you lose
They are billionaires, they can do what ever they want
lol
No, they can't. They *think* they can!
At least someone gets it😂😂
It all really depends on what the land lease says if it has it in the lease that there Is a public right of way then that is illegal but if it was never add to the lease then that's what you call and old fashion land lock
Think of it as a house.. and people want to go though your house and back yard to get to the other side... he's wrong. that is not a public road. It's a service road maintained for fire fighters...
They bought it. It's theirs.. get over it
Used to be the good old boys would just ease there truck up to a gate like that and make it disappear after they "nudged" it outta its footings
And get arrested
"ooo i can buy this 10 million dollar plot of land and cut off the road to people! Sign me up"
Just like any other plot of land that is sold
@@theguy9234 Incorrect you cannot cut off public roads paid for by the tax payer
They have a right to protect your property or closed off sections but roads are open for Access for fire or emergency if the roads been established there for a long. Of time there public access roads in most States
I'm sorry... I heard that correctly. These brothers bought the land. It's now their land. They own it. It's no longer public property it is now privet property.
It sounds pretty simple to me.
They say this problem can only be solved with legislation or legal action but I’m thinking torches and pitchforks always have gotten the job done and I think they always will
What can you do the gov already sold it
They can fence and post either side of the public road, but you can't block a public road because you think you can. It's a public road.
It's no different than a private land owner being told they can't access their private property because they have to use a road that runs through a wildlife refuge and the .gov has decided block their lawful easement access.
No one can buy anything unless someone wants to sell it. Also it's there land they should be able to do whatever they want. Feeling dont matter and shouldnt matter by law.
So what have they done wrong? Would any of you allow people to come onto your property to go where they want?
Now you know what it feels like being Native American!! Sucks when someone takes the land and tells you where you can travel/live.
To the DFD company and the Wilkes brothers in this video: Either remove the gates and let innocent people travel that road or go to jail for keeping innocent people from traveling that road. To add insult to injury, you are unlawfully keeping public officials off that land and that in and of itself is illegal and those public officials can add charges on top of the aforementioned charges.
Bill them for the road.
The road cuts through their land? Okay, but that doesn’t really answer the important question... do they own the land that the *road* is “on”?