Picts: History and Heritage
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2016
- Picts: History and Heritage provides an overview of some of the key developments in the evolution of the Pictish kingdom between the 5th and 9th centuries. Using recent studies on the political centralisation of Pictland and its external relations with neighbouring kingdoms, the film traces some of the key developments in the history of Fortiu until the Gaelic takeover at the end of the 9th century.
The film emphasises the cultural and religious interaction between Pictland and the kingdom of Northumbria which provided the context for cultural masterpieces like the class 2 Pictish symbol stones and the Northumbrian illuminated Gospel books.
Filming at Bennachie, Tap o Noth, Burghead, the Rhynie dig and other locations provides a striking visual record of some of the key locations in Pictish history.
Subtitles are available by clicking on the small cc at bottom margin of the video.
I will never forget seeing the Pictish Sueno's Stones in Forres for the first time! I felt like I had gone back in time to those days when they were first built in the 9th and 10th Century!
Amazing glad you got to see them. Oneday I will too can't wait. I will feel the same way. I get that feeling too when im among ancient things from the past.
The Scots were still Scots and original inhabitants.
Recent discoveries of the Tap o Noth has found it to have over 800 dwellings, and was probably one of the largest communities in Europe at the time.
I'm skeptical if that's true, more likely we're seeing survivorship bias because these dwellings are better preserved than usual in Europe because of their remoteness and building with stone rather than wood as was usual.
@@robokill387 better preserved? in the wet Scottish highlands?
@@SungazerDNB yes. They built their houses of stone there, whereas in most of Europe they probably built their houses out of wood, which rots. Also, in most of Europe they had higher populations and a higher percentage of their land was agriculturally valuable- which would lead to more of it being tillef over repeatedly, destroying stone age sites. In mountainous regions and remote islands with low population density that's less likely.
Also, it completely possible for very wet conditions to lead to high preservation- look up bog bodies. Highly acidic soil, low oxygen and low temperature can preserve organic material for millenia - in fact "bog butter" is regularly found in Britain and Ireland that has been buried for 2000 years and is still edible.
@@robokill387 they used stone on this side of the channel also. (Dutchman here) I understand your thinking though.
@@SungazerDNB yes, but they probably used proportionally more wood in the Netherlands compared to Scotland - the areas of Scotland where these things are typically found are nearly treeless.
I don't care what anyone says, you should always remember where you've come from. Try to understand the struggles your ancestors overcame to bring you to this moment, here and now.
D.M.
Sorry to be so offtopic but does any of you know a method to log back into an Instagram account..?
I stupidly forgot the account password. I love any assistance you can offer me
@Terry Rudy Instablaster =)
This is a fantastic series - so well researched, up-to-date scholarship, clearly presented. A great resource, thank you!
Superb documentary, thank you. I am a Scot but I am also a Pict. I forgot, thank you Alan.
This is my 7th or 8th time of watching this EXCELLENT presentation. (My interest in the Picts is that my ancestors lived in Banchory, Deeside, Aberdeenshire for centuries before coming to the USA 385 years ago... a place solidly in Pictland.)
MR. ALAN SHORT is an EXCELLENT organizer, interpreter, presenter and speaker. He is a master. His two-minute summary at the end is a hallmark of good pedagogy. The closed-caption "subtitles" are very helpful to those of us who are not familiar with Scottish names.
Thumbs-up, subscribed, and now headed off to watch all the other programs by Mr. Short. Thank you, Sir, from Scottish genes now residing in the USA !
The picts were pretty much eradicated. There is hardly any Pictish ancestry in modern Scottish people.
@@MrPassiontea I am sure you're one of those that also believes Neaderthals were Eradicated by Homo-Sapiens...Despite evidence showing otherwise.
Superb presentation...Alan.
I'm of Scottish descent hailing
from my father's side...
...surname, Law.
This extraordinary work of yours
avails a broad glimpse of the Land and Culture that for perhaps 2000 years or more of where my blood lived in this region... Astonishing...
.. Beautiful...and a bit Surreal..
Much thanks to you...fine gentleman and good sir, Mr. Short.
You are amazing !!!
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Smashing informative film, Alan. Thank you so much for making it, along with the others in the series.
This was a great documentary. Extremely informative. I loved it!!! Thank you.
Thank you for charing your knowledge! My 3x grandfather by the name John Alexander Robertson married to Ann (born Potter) emigrated to Norway in the midt of the 18. century and I am more than average interessted in the history of the land. Best wishes from Norway, K.
My ancient and beloved country...from Solway to Shetland...
never existed
Hi from Shetland x
Archeology would argue that sir. But nice try lieing about what u stole. We all know now.
@@Insolation1 what never existed ?
@@jimorr5580 The idea that Scotland was all that unified; sometimes it was but most of the time it was just different regional and cultural different groups that united to fight against the English, well even that's not correct. They fought against some dispute between some English and Scottish monarchy. You were told which side you were fighting against, there was nothing democratic in it, you did as you were told. From Glasgow through to Edinburgh and all the way down to almost Lincoln used to be a united culture/country, they all spoke Cumbric. Glasgow and Edinburgh like many of the place names in the Central belt and the lowlands are, Cumbric not Gaelic. Glasgow is Cumbric 'Glas Gau' which means green hollow, Edinburgh is also Cumbric 'Din Eidyn' meaning Hill Fort. The myth that Scotland had some ancient unified culture is bogus, it's war lords and monarchy just used ordinary people and marched them behind a flag and made them fight other people who were similarly controlled.
When I was educated in Scotland in the sixties, they didn't have much to say about the Picts. Obviously they are more fashionable now. If the height of their culture was light relief carving on stones, it would suggest they weren't very advanced. The fact they were able to give the Roman's a bloody nose says something about the people
For one thing, they were taller. 😊
Do you think culture resides in art? You have been brainwashed by elite institutions, without even knowing it.
Excellent, thanks for providing!
Amazing documentary. Thank you for sharing 🏴
Very much enjoyed your programme. Thank you.
Thank you for this great documentary
Excellent presentation and research. Fascinating.
Great narration and lots of fascinating info
Well done Alan - informative and enjoyable. Thanks
We also climbed up to this Pictish fortress and spent a few hours there. I prepared a light snack and I also meditated and thought about how the Picts have managed to live there. We also did the Bennachie. The views were breathtaking and I hope that the Picts remain a mysterious culture and looking forward to going back to Scotland. Thanks for that great video from Germany
Excellent film, I found it really engaging and perfectly paced.
Does anyone know the song playing at the start when the flag waves
Thank you for this Alan!
Fascinating. Superb documentary. Thank you.
Most fascinating! Thanks for sharing.
Looking over the vast land and the high mountains throughout, I can imagine hearing .... "The Beacons are lit! .... Gondor calls for aid!"
You know England had a system of beacons to warn the country of the approach of the Spanish Armada. My mother took me and my sister to one, Rivington Pike in Lancashire when I was about three or four. It is one of my earliest memories and I can still remember being on the hill about halfway up and my sister who was a year younger than me complaining she couldn't go any further. The whole experience, including the story of the Spanish Armada left a lasting impression on me. This was in the 1950s.
@@carolinebarnes6832 I have been up that one many times :) also ashurst becon to the west of rivington
The Ring trilogy was a retelling of Ancient Briton, through a lens of the Great War experience at it's core.
@Bryn Drummond in truth it's a bit of all of them, rather than one simplistic allegory, which is unlikely as Tolkien hated that kind of writing.
Sober, smart, fascinating. Well done!
Thank you. Great presentation
Great presentation, thank you.
good stuff,thanks so much for your effort..subbed hope you upload more.
Very nice video. Thank you!
Excellent presentation !
Excellent video. You deserve more likes.
Well presented thank you very insightful. :)
Very well done!
Outstanding!
Really appreciate the music, beautiful.
Great clip . Helped me on personal research. 👍
Maybe not to the point, but I kinda like Robert E. Howard's portrayal of the Picts in his Conan the Barbarian books. I like to think that I may have ancestors like that among my antecedents. The mystery is what makes the Picts attractive to thinkers and dreamers of today.
Don't miss the standalone Bran Mak Morn tales from REH, especially "Worms of the Earth".
While Conan is REH's most famous creation, King Kull, Solomon Kane, Bran Mak Morn, Steve Costigan, and Breckinridge Elkins were all great characters/stories.
Sounds like you have !
Bravo to this reference!!
Their art is amazing! :)
I honestly cant think of any other examples that captivate me as pict art does.
D.M.
Thank you for this.
Great video. My Aunt traced my surname back to a Pictish village that was nestled in the hills of Cargill in Perthshire.
brilliant use of piano music in this film
great video enjoyed
Great upload great info thankyou
Excellent. Here is a man who has a genuinely realistic grasp of the history of our great Nation.
I was glued to this documentary fascinating and brilliantly filmed
Alba Thank you it is great to get positive feedback.
This is the best so far...
Thankyou for this.
Going back in time before the romans, how populous was Scotland? Was intrigued to read that most of the landscape that is so bare now, was once wooded, and people were settled along rivers and the coast in large part.
Perhaps 150 000 ? given that it was only about a 1/2 million by the start of the medieval period ?
Love this. Thanks ❤
Thank you. 🕊💜🕊
The Pictish Clans were still in existence even in the 1200's and 1300's and even later. I am descended from Thomas Dickson (Dicson) and the De Keiths (Earl Marischal of Scottland) who were from Pictish clans.
I've become rather obsessed with the Pictish history as fairly recent genetic evidence points to a possible "Pict" male relocating to the present day Scottish lowlands and becoming the progenitor of the Armstrongs, of which I am one! Never forget the past and always honor your ancestors!
Thank you so much to this it has opened my eyes to a new [ for me ] wider history of Britain
One of the best ..Tk you
This was a great documentary. Thanks for making this it must have taken you quite some time. I'm from Kirkcaldy in Fife and would love to find out if I had Pictish DNA in my blood
Very interesting .
Very clear clean and precise. Very professional. Thankyou I didn't get the presenters name but he is extremely easy to follow because he makes the viewer comfortable.
Thanks for this excellently narrated and filmed video. More "captioning" would be beneficial for those proper names.
Is it possible for the fish above the coat of arms shield might represent Pict heritage?
Interesting, seems to have kicked of a debate , thanks
Are most parts of Scotland cloudy for most of the year like Seattle, where I'm at?
Yep and we can get four seasons in one day 😂😂😂🏴
Great effort on a very mysterious people. My ancestry on my father's line goes back to Aberdeen - so maybe I am a bit of a Pict myself.
I am I know
Ken M if you have inherited a big pair o balls there you go by the way I'm in Aberdeen
my Ancestors are picts too
My Maternal Grandfather's family came from Aberdeenshire, just where is lost to time.
You must proudly yell, that you're a pict!!!
My family is from the Taexili pict tribal area in Aberdeen. I am Taexili tribe, Norse, and Irish.
Looking for more detailed info on MacNaughton surname Mccracken which was from MacNeachtain son of neach which were of picts eh?
I'm doing research regarding the representation of the Picts in entertainment medias. Do we know anything about their death rituals?
Do your own research.
What info do you have about the earliest of their symbols?
Hi David,
The most recent research on the early symbols from Dunnicaer near Stonehaven by Professor Gordon Noble and the University of Aberdeen archaeologists puts the dating of the stones earlier than had previously been thought. Chapter seven of his book on the Picts: The King in the North (2019) describes their findings.
Noble writes as an archaeologist and does not try to explain what individual symbols might mean. I don't think there is any consensus on that subject yet !
On the web, the Pictish Arts Society is a great place to explore some of the issues and the University of Aberdeen's Northern Picts Project might also give you some information on the earliest stones.
Alan Short
Thank you for your research and video on the Picts history. They have been conveniently left out of history and something needs to be done to bring their history forward. There are some ancient writings that state the Picts were originally from Egypt and in fact related to Egyptian royalty. Most of the ancient writings are not in English and there are holes in the "paper" here and there but that aside, we need to do some translations.Thank you again.
Bertha Yellowfinch are you referring to princess Scoti,whom legend suggests the Scots are derived from?
Huh , Egyptian royalty ? hahahahaha
Scotland was named for Scotia, a red headed Egyptian princess, descendant of Tutankhamun, who fled Egypt to the area now known as Scotland with the Scythian prince she had married. This theory is further supported by DNA tests that demonstrated 70% of the male population throught the UK had genetic links to Tutankhamun while conversely less than 1% of the male population of Egypt was found to have the same.
I found the Onkney's to be the most interesting in historical site's
very good indeed
Is there a history between the Picts and stone of scone?
I think so, because that area around Scone, was a Royal and ecclesiastical centre.
I have read that much of the older Welsh literature was composed in what is today Scotland, though I wish to know did this Welsh Urheimat extend to Shetland Islands?
Yaver
Historians seem to agree that pre-Norse Shetland was culturally "Pictish" . Symbol stones and other aspects of material culture confirm this. Politically, Shetland is thought to have been within the sphere of influence of the northern Pictish state of Fortriu, centred on the Moray Firth.
The Viking incursions into Shetland in the 8th century changed all of this and also replaced the language of the indigenous inhabitants with Norse. If I understand the current thinking ,there are no examples of the pre-Norse language in Shetland place names .This makes it impossible to identify the language spoken in Shetland prior to the Scandinavian colonisation.
Most writers have assumed that the pre-Norse inhabitants of Shetland would have spoken Pictish which is as you say is related to the Brittonic language but in a recent article ,Dr Alex Woolf raised the possibility that they might have been Gaelic speakers who had moved to Shetland from Western Scotland!
At the moment it's impossible to make definitive statements given the lack of evidence.
I offer a thank you, To the narrator of this video, Na dooniawosl, Learned Man, In search of heritage, I have come to regard my self as part of the Siol Alpine, The 5 clan's out of Clan Mac Alpine, I am now told there are 7 clans, And in fact we are descendents of the picts, So this means that when I go to a football match I can paint my face blue, I can handle that, But I will disregard the comments that we were sheep stealers and cattle thieves.
Jack Duffy, There are seven clans of Siol Alpin, they are :- MacNab, MacGregor, MacKinnon, MacQuarrie, Grant, MacAulay and MacFie. These seven clans are directly descended from the Pictish King Alpin and through his son King Kenneth I, the first king to unite the Picts and the Scots.
I fail to understand why you regard yourself as a part of Siol Alpin, the name Duffy is of Irish origin, originally spelled O Dubhthaigh in Irish Gaelic. Duffy's are descended from one of the Heremon kings of Ireland, namely Cahir Mon of Leinster.
As a MacGregor, I can claim descent from Siol Alpin, our clan motto is 'S Rioghal Mo Dhream (Royal is My Race). Rob Roy MacGregor coined the phrase "Black Mail", extorting money from livestock owners on the promise that neither he nor his clansmen would rustle the paying owners herds. Cattle and Sheep rustling was a way of survival for some Highland clansmen. Ownership of land and livestock were held by the law of the sword.
David MacGregor, Thank you David for your input, Back in the 1970s the Clan Chief Mac-Fee, lived here in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. He has past on now, Chief Earl Duglas, Mac-Fee, Insisted that, Coffy, Cathy, Hathy, Duffy, And others, Were Clane Mac-Fee, He is still regarded heer as, Na-dooniawosl, Learned Man, So let me call out, Coom-Ra Bass-Alpin, Remember the death of Mac-Alpine.
The Pictus, From Isiaths whence they came.
@@jackduffy1817 Thank you for your reply Jack, sorry about my late reply. It's possible that the names you mentioned above were Septs of Clan MacFee, or MacFie. A Sept is a famIly who are not directly related to a Clan through it's bloodline, but when they show loyalty to a Clan they are treated as though they are a fully fledged member of the Clan and are given protection by the Clan.
@@davidmacgregor5193 Do you know what's funny is my last name is from southern scotland suposedly related to the suposed strathaclyde or whatever people group but my greatgrandads father and his six or so brothers sometime after the american civil war were chased out of Allabama after being a used of horse theivery all the way to this one part of western Louisiana and east texas that at one time was a neautral zone between new Spain and Louisiana where a lot of criminals flocked to and if you Google my last name by population density in each state massachusetts and Louisiana tied followed by texas
at 2:06 you see the hill behind him...looks like a very ancient sphinxt
picts are my favorit ancient culture, together with the huns and the goths.
Yeah the 80s were great
Most Scots have the Russian Steppe Gene (from the picts no other part of the British isles has this gene ) so the Scythia legend has a element of truth the Scythians language was written in hieroglyphs just like on the Pictish standing stones www.scotsman.com/news/politics/genetics-show-many-scots-are-descended-russian-nomads-1463717
My grandmas name on my dads side comes from the picts. This is prrtty cool to learn about my.ancestors
my Dads last name comes from some weird irish name, but his ancestors were picts
striking resemblances between the pictish and scythian symbology
Any pictorial references please?
I remember reading about the Picts when I was young ( a long time ago) and back then, the Picts were considered a completely different language group, since so little was known about them. I remember my brother saying they must have become a substrate of Scottish. I wonder when that point of view changed.
I did too, +55 years ago. But there has been a great deal more research since then and much less credence given to the opinions (hardly research) of the 19th c historians and antiquarians that we used to believe. There are lots of resources online about the archeological finds (eg much larger settlements than previously thought, evidence of trade with far distant places), linguistic research (the modern consensus is that Pictish was a branch of “Common Brittonic” the root language of most pre Roman Britons) and of course DNA research which was unheard of back then (the unique Pictish DNA marker has been isolated from bones found in archeological digs - and in modern Scotland is still most commonly found in the area of former Pictland).
It’s all part of a much greater interest in and research of the early history of what is now Scotland, which turns out to be a lot less like the “misty Celtic twilight” of 19th c romanticism and a lot more like “Game of Thrones” (minus the dragons) with 5 quite different cultural and language groups vying for dominance over a 500 year period. Worth looking into it, it’s fascinating.
hello I have found three place names in Scotland that have an Estonian meaning Laide (shallow sea), PoolWe (semi-water), Ullapool (Above). Continental Europe has many old
place names with Estonian origins.
you're saying picts might have had ugro finnish background?
According to the Romans, the picts initially lived on the banks of the Loire River. From there, they traveled to the British Isles to look for a vacancy for the Goths and Celts. The Pikes had twenty Viking ships. Approximately 60% of the Gallia place names written by Caesar were of Finno-Ugric origin.@@frogman4700
@@frogman4700 Gene study: The peoples of India are of similar origin to Estonians and finns.Mohenjo Daro and Harappa culture.What was destroyed by a major catastrophe (nuclear war, etc.). We are Aryans :-). Descendants of the Elves.
Ullapool is "wool pool," from the Norse, or possibly from the woman's name, Ulla + pool. The other two names could be Norse as well, though I need to hear them pronounced to be certain.
They originally came from Siberia then traveled to finland then to Scandinavia then to Scotland
Surprised you didn't explain more the difference between the Christianity parcticed and the one that came from Northumbria, as, at that time everything revolves around belief... less fashionable now, however most base to culture back then.
However the rest was very very informative, thank you.
It is frustrating that no dates are given for the events regarding the early Picts.
This tape doesn't go back to the origins, doesn't go back far enough. He just starts with, they were the indigenous people of Scotland. But they weren't.
@@JanetCaterina Well it seems you're fishing for a reply so... elaborate... you made a "finite" statement. So elaborate... What's your info and where did you get it from?
@@JanetCaterina He did state it was believed the Picts were of Scythian origin from East of the Black Sea. The Scythian people were a fierce, warlike people.
Nice. Maybe some simillarity between Picts and Slovenian only we had luck to survive by name and language.
The artwork is very similar to that found in Gobekli tepee and the Baltic region in general. It appears they were forced to migrate west at some point.
Picts never died out , they intermarried into the Kingdom of Alba
9:53 Who were the inhabitants before the Picts? They must've been a developed people to build stonework, right?
They were the genetically inbred Neolithic indigenous from the Orkneys.
thank you /// thumbs up
What is this genetic marker?
A mark on the genome.
I really enjoyed video however I would like to point out error at 3:29 ( map ). Should be Scythia ( not Sycthia ).
Whatever. I'm sure that we'll all be ok.
Oh now your just being pickty 😂✌️
@@johnmcintosh5465 :D
I ask myself why does Pictish art (animals especially) resemble the tattoos found on a mummy half way across the globe on a princess, above the Altai? I am guessing from looking at them that the animals are ancient maps, showing trade routes, centers, and land and water features. If they are tattooed on, you won't get lost. (If they are maps.) This mapping system would have been brought by an ancient culture. The circles joined like a handle are also seen in another culture. As well the ponies maybe of the Steppes are also interesting.
+cyndi aides
there were no copy right laws in those days
Your right to question. The picts originally came from Siberia then traveled to Finland then to Scandinavia then to Scotland
The Picts were clearly Britons as shown in the video from there placenames like aberdeen
Several species of small furry animals, gathered together in a cave, grooving with a Pict.
Several thousand
Thats just what i was thinking.
Listening to Pink Floyd !
Ummagumma!
If anyone is curious, there is a short clip at the third installment of the series Blood of the Vikings " ". Historian Brian Smith, I believe is his name, has an interesting theory of the fate of the Picts. There is a copy on RUclips if anyone cares to take a look. It's Part Three "the Sea Road" I think. You don't have to watch the whole thing. Dr. Smith gives his theory at the around the ten minute mark. Fascinating.
The pictsish tribes would have been subsumed by the invading Norsemen, the Scots were invading from Ireland,
My great grandmother was a Ewing, the gentleman talking looks like my uncle.
I read years ago that the surname of Stonger is actially from an ancient pictish name. Wondering if this is accurate.
I am Welsh. But my ancestors are Scottish on my Maternal side. Came down to Welsh Valleys for mining work.
thank yew gare
I'm just going to enjoy your video and not read the comments. Thanks for showing.
Dun hill huh?
interesting
move Dune Rocks.
I’m doing an ancient civilization report on the picts
my surname is Pitkeathly, ill send you a photo of me, and you really will say shit the Picts really are ancient .Duncan.
they must have been a fearsome people, Hadrian built a wall to defend against them the breadth of the isle. Think about that for a moment.
To refute this point, Hadrian was a consolidator. Previous campaigns under Agricola and Cerialis in Northern Britain lacked that edge to maintain power due to the 'stop-go' events prompted by the death of emperors. The Roman empire needed to realise that Northern Britain, although it would expand the linear boundaries of the empire, was not economically viable to conquer since there was little means to do so. Hadrian used the wall to focus on Southern Britain and harvesting economically-enhancing resources; something Northern Britain did not offer to the South's extent. Hadrian also used the wall as a customs point, taxing the travellers through a Roman currency, cattle and crops, and wives/children for slavery. It is not that Hadrian feared the people, because the empire had overcome far worst, but it was because of a new vision of how to govern the empire that caused the wall to arise.
+DaviG123 Yeah there's that, and, .... the northerners were a bloody frickin handful ehhh... .
Christopher Stewart Considering the wall split the Brigantes tribe in half, according to Ptolemy’s map, then its doltish to suggest that one half of the Brigantes tribe was peaceful and the other was violent towards the Romans. Sure, the Celts of Northern Britain were a fearsome lot, many Roman scholars express this explicitly, but they were nothing compared to the might of Rome. Total asymmetrical warfare at time.
Read a little history FFS!
Dear Davi, I appreciate your rhetoric, but no one ever would need to build a wall in the North just because they want to harvest the Southern part. If mighty Romans weren’t scared they would just make their business without building the wall. Also, following your theory, the Chinese wall was built for fun
Question what are the four oldest symbols and names
Class one stones are older than class two but I can’t say with any certainty which four of the symbols appearing on the class one stones are the oldest.
The cave symbols in East Wemyss and at the sculptor’s cave at Covesea near Lossiemouth are likely to be very early examples of the class one symbols. The cave symbols include the Crescent and V Rod, the Double Disc without Z rod and possibly the Pictish beast .There are also carvings of a fish and possibly the mirror and comb but scholars don’t think that these carvings have the same meaning as the other Pictish symbols.
The four symbols which appear most frequently on all the symbol stones are the Crescent and V Rod, Double disc and V rod, the Pictish beast and the double disc on its own. So there does appear to be some sort of correlation between frequency and age.
Dip In Video fantastic and informative program! Thanks for it. Greetings from clan Gunn Florida US.
Dip In Video very enjoyable video,as are the others.though I have to say the more I watch on the picts, paradoxically the less I understand! I'm from Fife incidentally,and North East Fife still seems too be a little pictish enclave.also more red heads there than I've seen anywhere in my life!not sure if that would relate too the picts or not,but it's certainly notable!this is likely unrelated,but does the term 'the kingdom of Fife'The go back to pictish times?
Judah Vance Cu Chaillen, Oisin and Neve, Tuirean, Lugh and others from the Tuathe De Dannan. Ancient Irish mythology based in truth.
Mike Semon My arse
Gavin Menzies book "1421 THE YEAR THE CHINESE DISCOVERED AMERICA' One of the interesting facts is they found the copper mines at the north end of the Mississippi River. The copper was taken to England and their tin was used to make the best quality bronze