Sam Shamoun Accuses Shabbir Ally of No Longer Being Muslim?
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- Опубликовано: 3 сен 2021
- Shabir Ally in a debate with Anthony Rogers spoke in a way that really made my mouth drop. Take a look at what he said
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😃exactly! Shabir intention was to refute Christianity without realizing he was refuting Islam at the same time!
But still you can't be a muslim if u don't say syahada aka bear witness muhammad is allah messenger right?
@Art Becher Please explain to me why the "seven earths" are logical
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@Art Becher 7 layers to one earth is entirely different from 7 earths, man. Muhammad's allah said 7 earths.
Without lies Islam dies
Shabir Ally became an ally. Jokes aside he is a much more reasonable muslim than Im familiar with (at least considering those particular arguments). Lets hope his life isnt in danger now, that would simply suck.
Don't think so, but he can be "cancelled". But maybe he already is
Shabir is just a sneaky liar. It takes careful attention to catch him
@@worshippers3590 how do you know?
@@schorpioen7466 for example, in the debate, Shabir quotes a quran verse suggesting that Adam was taken out of a community of people to make islam consistent with evolutionary view. He deliberately did not reference the verse. Why? As others have exposed, the verse was about Noah (surah 68:50). So he quotes a verse about Noah to explain Adam. It takes careful attention to catch him
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I used to think Shabir had extreme views about 10 years ago, he really is changing in recent years..
Keep up the good work Abdullah
He gets a lot of pushback from conservative Muslims nowadays. I've seen some pretty damning criticisms of him on Muslim forums.
He gets a lot of pushback from conservative Muslims for it though. I've seen damning criticisms of Ally on some Muslim forums.
His views had always been like this. I have been listening to him for last 15 years. And he is not the only muslim who has this view. In fact, Jamal ud Din Afghani from Afghanistan accepted possibility of Evolution as cause of life on this planet some 150 years back. The opinion that there is a link between Apes and Human was presented by muslim scientist some 800 years back.
@@laurameszaros9547 well, as a non muslim that's what would i expect. U can't just hide the fact that it's clear in Quran adam was made out of clay, and started to make it fit into evolution theory. He knew he contradicting himself and he ignores it 🤦
@@omerali2690 and yet they keep believing adam and eve story. Or maybe just like some of us, they knew the religion is false but keep being muslim just for identity
Shabir Ally opens the *Pandora's box* when attacking other faiths. His Muslim followers must think that he has become _senile._
He will probably be appointed to a position on Biden's admin soon.
Yes, he gets a lot of pushback from conservative Muslims nowadays. I've seen scathing criticisms of him on some Muslim forums.
Attacking other faiths is not the problem, but the way he is doing it can be turned and used against him as Sameer said. From a Muslim perspective the problem must be, he is denying the Quran.
As a Christian I don't worry about it. My faith can stand up to criticism.
My questions for Sameer is, can you show me the scientific evidence of abiogenesis? As an atheist he must believe not only in evolution in general. If there is no Creator, he must believe inorganic matter magically rearranged itself into living organisms (abiogenesis). This denies fundamental laws of science.
What about the big bang? Of course, the universe created itself makes sense scientifically!?
I have never seen him ATTACKING other's faiths. There is difference between raising questions and attacking.
@@kurtgundy we have evidence for evolution. The first genetic sequence ever to have been synthesised on earth was done so under higher percentages of chemicals there are on earth. Chemicals such as hydrogen, nitrogen and oxygen are present in much higher amounts and they are the base of amino acids in DNA. The evidence that there was a much higher level of these chemicals all come down to fossils. We find fossils of large arthropods and dinosaurs, indicating that there was such level as their sizes are dependent on that.
Shabir is trying to make sense of his traditions in the light of newly available knowledge. It's a step in the right direction. As always, Abdullah treats the discussion with kindness and respect. Good work Abdullah. Thank you for your contribution to helping the world be a better place for us all.
Thank you
Never heard a Religious Muslim speak like that before.
I was shocked too
@@FriendlyExmuslim
I am too shocked, shocked whether there is future for Shabir Ally in the Muslim world.
Actually I know a lot of Muslims who accept human evolution. Most mainstream scholars still reject it, but there are a growing number of ordinary Muslims who accept it. Shabir Ally may well be moving further away from orthodox Islam but I think he realises many ordinary Muslims are moving away from classical views. He also made a video recently where he rejected the notion of eternal Hell. Again this puts him at odds with mainstream scholars but is probably closer to where many ordinary Muslims are moving towards.
The Bible has already answered Shabir Ali's question before he asked it. It's unfortunate that people who don't know the Bible think that they are smart when they ask such questions but they are not unfortunately. We have got your questions answered even before you ask them. Jesus Christ died for everyone assuming that there are creatures elsewhere. This is what the Bible says below:
Colossians 1:19, 20:
19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
Also, it's repeated in Revelation 5:13:
13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”
So, whether things on earth or above the earth ( heaven), everything and everyone is covered. To all ex-muslim atheists,Abdulla Sameer, Apostate Prophet, Abdulla Gonda, Apostate Aladin, Harry Sultan,etc please don't miss it twice. You were born into Islam and you later grew up and discovered that it's a scam and left it but don't miss it a second time by becoming an atheist. THIS IS BECAUSE THE HISTORICITY OF JESUS CHRIST DESTROYS ATHEISM AND EVOLUTION. So, Atheism is equally false like Islam and you are missing it the second time which is not good. If Jesus Christ were not historical, Atheism would still not be right. So, come to Jesus Christ, the saviour of the world.
@Art Becher that is a lie. You muslims like to reinterpret the quran everytime it contradicts reality. The quran speaks of 7 literal days. Sahih Muslim 2789 confirms this.
When I was a muslim, I liked Dr. Shabir Ally a lot and I still like him. He‘s always humbled and tries to think logical and never spreads hate
Why did you leave islam?
I agree... even though I often don't agree with him...he is very kind hearted and doesn't get excited.
Come back to Islam you know we the best 😄❤️
@@Chyfrmno u r not
When Shabir claimed that Adam was selected and not created, it caused my jaw to drop.
He quoted from a verse that referred to Jonah, not Adam. What does that say about his honesty?
@Chris Azure *LOL* I literally yelled at the screen, when he came with this nonsense about galaxies, and other intelligent beings in the universe. "Hey, Slave of Allah, who says if they are out there, that that did the very same thing Adam did, eating of the forbidden fruit, whatever that was? That they did not take it, and adhered to the commands of God, if God had given them the same commandment. What the earthly Adam did, must not have been repeated by other Adams, if they even exists.
@fafaf afaf Please put your reply in the form of an English sentence.
Dr . Zakir naik
"Brother believe me i am medical doctor"
You cannot put creationism and science on the same speech without ending up in a train wreck.
Not true.
You can put creationism and science (evolution) in the same speech if you're a deist.
@@Mannequeer im a creationist and i have no problem with evolution if is apply the right way .
@@kronos01ful a deist is also a creationist. The question is are you a deist or theist?
That's generelizing theism, to begin with 57-60% of christians are evolutionists theists or theists that accept evolution, yes just because the majority accept it doesn't entail it's true with their world view, but with Christianity theirs no violation with it and big bang+evolution, people bring up the English version of genesis but I think John Walton has amazing material on this and why you shouldn't read genesis English in a literal sense the Hebrew is vastly different, on top of the near eastern context, I'm happy to have this discussion in a friendly manner if you want
Your videos are honestly amazing. Thanks to you, I’m an atheists at 18. I’m so glad the truth reached me early on in my life so that I don’t have to waste my entire youth being shackled by Islamic rulings.
Atheism is a step towards the truth.
@Jamal Ramadan time will tell you how. Each ones journey is different. You will not end as an atheist.
@Jamal Ramadan just mark my words. When you leave atheism at the end of your life, remember. Along lifes journey, you are bound to discover the truth.
Well, im atheist at 15 tbh but keep it secret to my hear. Bc i knew my parents would hate me for it
Same here man. Live free and prosper.
Can see in shabirs eyes he doesn't believe what he says anymore.
All about the money now.
@Art Becher All life is not created from water. What do you think water is created from?
@Art Becher trolling each comment I see
Typical and ever so predictable response… yawn!
@Art Becher was water sent down from space?
@Art Becher nope. Life needs water.
Life is not made from water.
Big difference. Quran author did not know this.
Jawdrop Jawdrop Jawdrop..
I saw this on Shamounian yesterday and laughed so hard . I was almost checking whether this is video edited or something..
But now the Unmah be like...""naah he is not a scholar"
Shabir Ally seems like a nice person and a decent human being. That is what is important to me.
I think he blatantly lies and he knows it.
He is nice lier
@@goddessr3065 Do you have any evidence of that?
@@MrLosches Evidence please
Thanks, Northern Light! You seem like a decent and nice person, also!
you can not be totally honest with yourelf and be a muslim at the same time … you just cant
I disagree
WOW I hope you do not expect to be quoted in the future with "powerful" statements like that!!!!!! I mean Socrates look out.
Tx Abdullah, very interesting and revealing. ❤️
The Bible has already answered Shabir Ali's question before he asked it. It's unfortunate that people who don't know the Bible think that they are smart when they ask such questions but they are not unfortunately. We have got your questions answered even before you ask them. Jesus Christ died for everyone assuming that there are creatures elsewhere. This is what the Bible says below:
Colossians 1:19, 20:
19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
Also, it's repeated in Revelation 5:13:
13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”
So, whether things on earth or above the earth ( heaven), everything and everyone is covered. To all ex-muslim atheists, please don't miss it twice. You were born into Islam and you later grew up and discover that it's a scam and left it but don't miss it a second time by becoming an atheist. THIS IS BECAUSE THE HISTORICITY OF JESUS CHRIST DESTROYS ATHEISM AND EVOLUTION. So, Atheism is equally false like Islam and you are missing it the second time which is not good. If Jesus Christ were not historical, Atheism would still not be right. So, come to Jesus Christ, the saviour of the world.
@Art Becher What is meant by "seven heavens" ? What does the word "heaven" refer to ????
@Art Becher There is no above or below in space. So what does seven heavens mean ????
@Art Becher The earth is not the centre of the universe. There is no heaven anywhere near the earth. The solar system doesn't contain any life. The word heaven means nothing.
@Art Becher The word heaven in the phrase "seven heavens" is the noun and not the adjective. It is "seven" that is the adjective That describes the "heavens". So what is meant by heaven???
The idea that the center of the galaxy is somehow more worthy of God's special grace than our own position,... that centricity is somehow valuable and not just as arbitrary as any other position, is just as laughable as all the rest.
Shabir is taking baby steps in the right direction. We need to encourage him to accept science if that takes him to reinterpret the scripture to fit science. Kudos to him for acknowledging evolution and cosmology.
Adam is made in one way.
The mankind is made in another way, it is made from the children of adam.
And the Humans are reproducing by sharing their genomes.
"And [mention] when your Lord took from the children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them testify of themselves, [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we have testified." [This] - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection, "Indeed, we were of this unaware." 7:172 Holy Quran
So why are you expecting to find the genome to ONE person ? 😅
This is logic that there is a genom for a group of people we come from. This are the first humans made by god, from Adams Children. Use your brain. Islam is ofc a religion and a believe, but a logical one. And it is the most logical explaination for everything. Or do you have a more logical one ? 😅
I will not need go searching the Hybrid Human who was Ape and Human at once. "The Father of all Atheists" 😅😅😅 ...( a yes.. darwin is still not proven, so this is a darwins relgion and not theorie.)
But hey... we live in a world where everybody can think what he want.s
@@kolavithonduraski5031 Darwin renounced his previous ✨theory✨ before he died. He said humans didn’t come from apes.
But let’s turn this on it’s end!
If you were to have sex with a creature you thought was an animal, but then you ended up creating another creature, would you not be intrigued?
In my ✨wacky✨ brain I kind of assume humanoids from another planet came to visit Earth, saw Neanderthals, fucked them (because why not?), then created the new humans of today. Makes the most sense to me, but I’m obviously not all here 🙄😑
@@TheUnplannedLove you are free in your believe man.
But i think there is a barrier between animals and humans, so maybe as well between aliens and humans. Reproducing is not easy, if you dont use some high tech crisp genetics.
i dont know what would be the meaning of life, from your theory.
(i think everybody searches the meaning of life. a life without meaning sounds depressing to me, or it would be for me personally)
@@TheUnplannedLove and Kalavit do you guys know about genetics and that we share almost 95% of our genes with Chimps?
The claim that Darwin retracted his theory that human beings are related to modern day apes is simply BS that religious folks spread to help them keep their faith. Evolution is one of the most studied and accepted theory in science. Many Muslims scholars accept it
@@kolavithonduraski5031 I don’t care what people do as long as no one gets hurt. I was just trying to offer the thought that in the some Mesopotamia age religion, they state that the gods saw humans as animals first, yet still had babies with them.
Then in the Bible/Torah, or maybe lost books, they stated Angels copulated with humans and created life. Interspecies relations are all over old religious texts.
Our dna cannot mix with animals, but our ancestors and these entities (or aliens however you want to see it), they ended up creating a new species. And I want to believe that these entities and Neanderthals created the modern human 😅 makes life more interesting.
I love Shabir Ally.
And Shabir Ally loves you . 🤣
@@hearthat1334 🤣
Hassan, will you be posting any new content soon? For some strange reason, YT had unsubbed me from your channel!
@@jblasutavario9549 I'm not planning to make any more videos - but Allah knows best 😉
@@HassanRadwan133 lol Understood. Have an awesome weekend.
I liked your statement when you said, we should accept that these are man made scriptures & not something sent from God..
If only everyone accepted it for what it was, this world would be a much better place..
False. Have you proven the world would be a better place? It kind of sounds like If everyone accepted Jesus in their life the world would be a better place. Do you not see how your entire methodology is identical to religious people. But I have the best one ever. IF EVERYONE WAS JUST LIKE ME, THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE>
I think all religions should be banned. How many wars and how many lives have been lost because of the belief in an imaginary friend in the skies.
Hi @@akaijones1237,
I want to make sure I understood your perspective.
(Implied) Premise 1: War and people dying is bad.
Premise 2: Most wars are fought over religious differences.
Conclusion: If religions are banned (by governments) there will be barely any wars.
If this is accurate please let me know! Also, are you familiar with formal debate style(s)?
@@bilalkawsara9539 Not all wars are over religous differences.
War and people dying from a manmade religion is bad.
Show me 100% irrefutable proof that all religion is not manmade. They are a control system made to make people compliant with the promise of paradise after death with no evidence of their claim other than the claims from another human.
All scripture is manmade and derived from other sources.
Being a Sikh (a panenthiestic religion), I personally feel that he isn't going towards the atheist/agnostic side, but is just someone who thinks deeper into thinks and expands his mind beyond the Islamic belief, yet seems like a fearful Muslim as he continuously rationalises with the limited teaches that Islam can provide.
I think you're right. I've seen similar struggle with Christian Academics.
I need to read more about sikh. I am more familiar with the parts they have played in history than the filosophy. Any good startingpoints for in english?
@@northernlight8857
Guru Granth Sahib
How is that different from any other religion? Humans are fearful of death and the uncertainty of heaven very day life .. we can’t deal with sufferings and loss of loved ones, despite having spiritual books…
@@northernlight8857 well here on RUclips theres channels such as Basics of Sikhi, Nanak Naam, Sikh2inspire, Sikhnet, Sharechairty. Just a few that I know of.
Evolution will not fit religion. I do like that he mentions or asks why is out of everything. It was one of the many things that made me agnostic.
It can fit the Bible if you hold onto process structuralism theory given you hold to Old earth theory , at least that's what Michael Jones from Inspiringphilosophy said.
@@kiranthomas5944 Like with Islam, you can try to make it fit. You can take the words and say it means something else but that doesn’t work. I am agnostic because I can’t rule out a creator until science can make a micro-universe. If such a thing is possible I will be long dead. The same problems with the “divine” aspects of the Quran are in the Bible. They are not 100% clear and avoid what really matters. If such holy men got messages from god, it wouldn’t have to make sense to them. Anything about the environment and how to treat it. The animals and how some species hold the rest in check. We get exact instructions for a boat, a box, and a city that only the righteous will get to see. We are told what to wear and eat. Nothing about disease and the effects it would have on native peoples.
Religion is like talking nonsense with their devil's thing while science is searching and find out what is it. After the scientist found something the religion starts to fit in, like " before humans can make smartphone television and else that already written in the holy book. If they are so righteous why not they use their flying carpet flying donkey and else instead of using the airplane. They are the ones who'd like to eat or buying that illusion imagination delusion
@@j-l84 Like Abdullah said, it is good that the dude is questioning the idea. It is the first time I have seen a Muslim think about things on a universal scale. I have talked to Christians but they use what is said on the show ancient aliens.
the mental gymnastic needed to fit with science is incredible...
There are so many things in the Quran that look silly unless you take them metaphorically. Like Allah having two rights hands or sitting on a throne in the sky, etc. So if someone is no longer a Muslim just because he took this or that verse metaphorically well then there are no Muslims today anyway. So good for Shabir Ally. I hope he can turn this into a mainstream İslamic view.
Omg his beard literally looks like get got it at a halloween dollar store
The "joke" favorite galaxy > favorite star > favorite planet .... reminded me of a verse in a bible which says
“What is man that You are #mindful_of_him, and the son of man that #You_care_for_him?”
- Ps 8፥4 (AMP) .... it would have been impossible unless it's done by Yahweh's /God's love which is beyond human understanding 😊😉
Christianity is unequivocally false.
If you are looking for ancient texts that clearly describe existence of other multiple universes, trillions of eons of time, infinite planets, multiple bodies, and universal consciousness, seriously, go read the Mahayana Buddhist Sutras, like Lotus Sutra, Flower Ornament Sutra, Brahmajala Sutra, Amitabha Sutra, Avalokitesvara Sutra, etc... No joke. They really make that Bible and Quran look like simple Harry Potter kids books. And all with NO god in the sky.
@Hosanna Exactly. Dumb simpleton kids fairy tales like that. Go read Buddhist Sutras like the Lotus Sutra and Flower Ornament Sutra. They totally blow that childish simpleton bible out of the galaxy.
@@user-lw8dr6xx8i Could you give a passage from these sutras? And thanks for barking.
4:45 Probably the worst time to tell us to subscribe. after saying that we seem to be in a godless universe :(
lol
Actually our brain is a Memory Storage. We can't forget or bypass such memory easily. Therefore whenever a Truth strikes our stored content, it is usual to harmonise the memory with the contradicting fact and this is what Shabbir Ali is doing because Adam and Eve Theory does not survive the test of scientific findings.
Shabir has publicly stated that using your captive females for lust is OK. That was with an interview with his daughter. He has no morals. This recent debate was just more of his deceit; he is supposed to be defending islam but instead denies everything about it. At the 1min 20 sec mark he makes a quote from the quran to evidence that allah chose Adam - but if you look up the quote it refers to Jonah, not Adam. So he is dishonest all the way through. He follows the principle of taqiyya, that it is better to "win" an argument by lying than losing by truth.
After holes in Koran by Yasir Qadi, here comes a sink hole of Islam by Shabbir Ali. These 2 are enough to destroy Islam
Yeah
Quran only muslim
Is like
Ice cream without ice cone or
Ice 😆😆
@Jamal Ramadan
Proof
Great video brother!!! Great points… Religion just Don’t known!!! The same we ALL DON’T Know…
First serious comment thus far. WE JUST DO NOT KNOW! We are all equally ignorant.
Is that Shabbir's real beard or is it a false one on his clean shaven face....anyways it sure looks soooooo funny😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dr Ally also loves to talk about Christianity- and the way he talks about Islam - always changing and adjusting as to have it sound better … more rational ….. if anyone has stretched the boundaries of apostasy- that would be dr. Shabir Ally
by your definition of apostasy
The most consequent way is to be fundamentalist, but it keeps you stuck in time. So i prefer this
Thank you for another great vid Abdullah. I think it must be mentally exhausting being an educated Muslim, having to constantly do such mental gymnastics. This disagreement between you and Sam Shamoun again begs the question as to what it means to be Muslim. I believe Sam (and, so, far my) understanding is that any knowing/willful divergence from the teachings of Mohammed, no matter how small, fundamentally constitutes apostasy according to Islam. Whereas I think your view, Abdullah, is that if a one claims and carries Muslim identity and professes faith in Allah as the one God and Muhammad as his messenger, then s/he is indeed Muslim, even if that person's beliefs somehow otherwise differ from Mohammed's teachings. Do you see that characterization as accurate?
To me it is dishonest, reinterpreting scriptures to make them in sync with science leads to revivalism, I am from India I am observing this in front of my eyes, Hindus and Sikhs reinterpreting their scriptures to make them in sync with science and in turn making the common public more attached to their religions and hence making them more fundamentalists rather than liberal.
When Scientist do it, it is called Good science
@@africanhistory but they do it based on evidence, science is clear about it until there is a piece of evidence to support a claim that claim can be at max considered as a Hypothesis but not a fact. But religions on the other hand are fairy tales, no evidence yet they claim something to be true like they know everything
@@kunalpuri6035
Wish india owns more people like you.
Can u plz give an example regarding the Sikhs? The main Sikh scripture is the best holy book for Humanity.
You guys should watch the video on Hadith by Dr. Shabir Ally. It was eye opening for me when I was still a Muslim.
Link?
I've got to mention that ancients thinking being the centre of the universe meant something honorable or special is a myth. Aristotle thought the earth was at the centre but also at the bottom. Like a sink hole. It was where all the crap in the universe would move towards.
The outer orbits had the more perfect substances.
“The closer that man looks at the stars, the farther away they appear.” It is only determination and with a strong view of faith can one exit the atmosphere and begin one’s journey in the Heavens. Religion was only the beginning and Science is the middle and the spiritual understanding of one self is the end of the final journey or path.
Muslims scholars especially those those from academia's knew the problems of the Qur'an, they knew there is hole, but they can't come out because of the respect, money, and honor they enjoying from the Muslims community.
Also because if they openly left islam they would receive an insane amount of death threats
Great piece, Friendly ex-Muslim, you've excelled yourself here. Would be great to have Shabir Ally try to reply to your points. Hopefully he will at least hear them and reflect. Who knows, we might make a sceptic of him after all.
I’m not interested in some modern interpretation of a text. Texts need to be understood according to how and what their writers understood and tried to elucidate. After all, do we reinterpret Plato or other ancient non religious texts in view of modern insights? For some reason it only ever seems to be biblical Koranic texts which cry out for reinterpretation, it’s because modern religiousists are hell bent upon showing and proving to others the primacy of their book.
Very true.
@Jamal Ramadan As a Hindu, do I need to reinterpret things in light of present knowledge? Sometimes yes because it puts a different angle on things and we live in a different time, culture, society, language etc. But it's never a total rehash. Eg Jung spoke about the Archetypes of the self. Well if we look at the Devas and the Atman, it's pretty much saying the same thing in different words. Therefore it puts a new angle on things from a modern psychological aspect. However, Psychology was already quite highly developed in Hinduism as can be seen in the contents of sankhya and the very fact that Hindu texts are replete with psychological language. Consciousness, mind, ego, self, observer, observed, inference, deduction, science, analysis, investigation, superconsciousness etc are the subject matter of those texts. Therefore to use modern psychology to understand those Hindu concepts would be entirely relevant. Conversely neither Koran nor Bible mention such words and if a word like mind were found it is never within a psychological context. Therefore if a verse from those texts is retranslated as a psychological comment, it is only due to superimposition from one modern area of learning onto something that bears no relationship to the contextual contents of the book. In which case why bother doing it anyway? You are only spreading confusion. Allow the text to speak for and defend itself and to stand on its own truth and not that of others.
Isn't Shabbir Ally a Quran only Muslim these days?
Or he is at least an Inconsistent Sunni.
Yes,and he's the one who admitted there's different qurans.
We are all here to learn. Christianity has two major faults... Thinking Jesus is Allāh and that you works are not necessary for salvation.
Shabir was merely trying to show that Christians are on the verge of arrogance in thinking we are the only loved by Allāh and besides Christians no one else is worthy of Allāh's love when it is clear that Allāh loves all who seek Him and strive hard in submission to His will.
And the argument Shabir brought up (although not the best argument) is to get Christians to realize there is a bigger plan for humanity and if Allāh willed He would have destroyed every single one of us and made a new creation submitting to His will. We are not that specail and we need to learn our place.
Christians seek to extinguish the Light of Allāh with their tongues...
And Shabir and many others like him are sons of God... We represent our Lord and we won't allow His name to be tarnished and His Glory to be shared by anyone.
Praise be to Allāh forever and ever for He alone is worthy of all worship.
If you humbly seek truth and are sincere in this pursuit. You come to realise the religious world view of Abrahamic faiths are false or must be reinterpreted. Blindly holding on to it in the literal sense as many are doing brings so much needless suffering. Islam is unravelling in so many areas and in another part of the world right now Afghans have been forced back to live according to the understanding of jurists from the early Middle Ages.
It was refreshing to hear this admission. For so many of us our own search led us out of Islam but we're forced to hide it. And yet we're accused of so many things too. The YQ interview in 2020 had me doing fist pumps in the air and it still makes me smile. Thank you Abdullah for sharing this and loved the visual imagery. Fab!
"must've been" reasoning is so wonderful. Who needs evidence or even deductive reasoning. I think I am going to release a paper explaining lots of mysteries based on this reasoning
Ancient people did not think we were on a flat earth.
The worst thing you can do to a child is tell the child to memorize or recite a prayer or book written or inspired by God-Any prayer or book! It impedes the child's critical thinking regarding that book.
Thankfully the Christian faith isn't based on a book. It's based on a person. It's also not forced down your throat. I'll question my beliefs too, if I was told to recite, "Jesus died for my sins," 5 times a day.
I would reccomend you to debate Micheal Jonez of IP on the Topic of Genesis He's Got a solid case.
I’m all for a modern, moderate Islam. Much better than those crazies who want to live in the 7th Century.
There is no way you can be modern and moderate muslims everything Quran says and Mohammed says you have to do it if you don't do it you are not muslim what is the point of pretending to be Muslim
Question : are you muslim
Answer. : Yes I am a modern and moderate muslim I do some of the things and I don't do many of the things well you see it's easier this way but I'm not giving up on my Islamic title just in case there is a heaven seriously I don't want to miss out on 72 virgin huries and little boy servents and most importantly I want to talk to Allah cc and want to see Allah cc 🤣😂🤣😂
Atheists have not yet explained how a cell forms and boots.
Why should we?
Both Atheist and Theist agree that all known living systems are too complex (too many parts) to suddenly appear as they are today. The ultimate source of life must be simple, that is not made up of parts. The Atheist look down in a test tube looking for this ultimate source of life while Christians look up into heaven looking for out Ultimate Source of Life, the Great I AM, Absolute Being, Our Lord and Redeemer.
@@thefirm4606 you are a bunch of molecules formed by random undirected processes. Your thoughts are simply chemical reactions happening in your brain. That is why they cannot be relied upon. Try to stay quiet- that is if your chemistry makes you to 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hey, can you talk about theories if the universe…tbh I’m going through a crisis and I have nowhere to turn to when people usually turn to religion so I have no comfort. It’s so hard to comprehend that the love of my life is actually gone. Do you think there is a chance an after life exists even if there is no god?
"Do you think there is a chance an after life exists even if there is no god?"
It depends on how we explain consciousness. Our consciousness is best explained by the neural network of our brain. If we die, our individuality simply vanish. This is harsh but maybe much better than an infinite boredom playing a harp on clouds. This is why we hold on to this life no matter what, it's the only one we have.
@@physnoct I also agree that our individuality vanished, but as an ex-theist during these times I keep getting pushed to an idea of an afterlife from former theist friends and so on. It’s really draining going back and forth from “oh we might exist somehow but it might even be something that cannot be measured by us” to “this universe doesn’t revolve around us so that we would matter enough for an afterlife to exist.” To be honest I can’t even begin to understand how people can believe in an afterlife it seems so childish to me. You have to wonder if there is an afterlife, then who is it for? Only us? Other primates? Insects? Etc. I always come back to the same conclusion that we don’t matter enough to exist in an afterlife but I just want to understand the whole argument FOR an afterlife I don’t mean necessarily heaven.
@@user-lk5kd3bb7g Watch Jay Dyer’s ‘God debate review ‘ videos and his debates. I pray that you come to Orthodox Christianity.
He has reached the NOMA stage. He's almost in this century: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-overlapping_magisteria
I think you nailed brother , he should apply the question to Islam,
I find characters like this Shabir even more worrying than other apologists. At least the others follow their convictions blindly as they have no concept of the scientific enquiry around them. But people like Shabir are disingenuous. They lie and they know they lie.
Oh shabir I know now Adam is ahomosapien, finally we know why Adam was about 90 feet tall 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣
I heard his speech as a sophist and
hypocrisy none of his proofs make sense, he just tried to prove himself especially when he said what about the other galaxy.
When human colonise mars, Shair will be rememdered as the spreading of True Islam
Martians were born as muslims.
Mmm might be finally realising Islam isn't creaked up to be or I might be speaking so soon
I don't think we as Christians should believe that we're the center of the universe and that we're so special. I believe God created the universe for His glory. He created it for us to experience the awesomeness of who He is. I think when we look up at the night sky and think about the vastness of the universe (and the deadness of space) it should make us realize how much God loves us... It should remind us of the colorful life He created for us on this earth.
Ty! I agree.
Hmm, well now. First of all, in the Hebrew, the name Adam is not actually his name. He was called Adam because in our language we typically give proper names to certain individuals. Thus, Adam simply means man or mankind. That is all it means.
Secondly, biologist and geneticists do indeed say there was one man and one woman, that they call Genetic Adam and Eve. That does not, however, describe them as other than man and woman. We don't know what they looked like, but a lot of assumptions are made.
I believe those ancient writers were speaking about the whole of human history and not just one couple. For instance, the agrarian vs. domestication of animals did happen in that order. They went from hunter/gatherers to farmers and then to domestication of cattle, sheep and goats. As the agrarian culture became dominant, it did spread East, as the Bible says it did. "And Cain went eastward to the land of Nod" meaning wandering. So that actually did happen, farming culture went east from the Levant.
The stories the quran borrows from the Bible are not necessarily to be taken literally, it should be in the historical context. However, in the 7th century, people did believe in the literal interpretation and that is why nothing in the quran is revelation from allah nor given from allah because those were already written, studied and taught ideas long before mohammad. Islam cannot take credit for what was before mohammad, but in order to justify some false notion that mohammad must be a true prophet, then they make the claim that "how could mohammad know 1,400 years ago?" Which the answer to that is "How did the ancient Hebrews, Greeks, Indians, Romans, Persians, Egyptians and Chinese know thousands of years before that?"
See, when they reference the Bible in trying to interpret the quran, they are actually giving credence to the fact that the Bible came first, and the Bible taught these things. BUT, and here is a huge but, the Quran actually does not reference the Bible but very little, it references the Talmud. The Talmud is nothing more than legal rulings and opinions of rabbis. How do we know this?
Several hundred years before mohammad, the Talmud had written in the stories of Iblis (Satan) refusing to bow down to Adam, that Adam learned how to bury Cain from watching a raven, and the stories of Noah, Moses and the other prophets. All one has to do is look up the Talmud, Midrash and other rabbinical literature. It's there. So islam cannot be from allah nor from mohammad if the rabbis were already telling these things hundreds of years before.
Does that mean God does not exist? No. It means the progress of humanity went forward. And it is very logical that it would happen the way it did. The Bible is indeed correct in those things, but the Hebrews then were not focused on merely the religion of the ancients, only the history and how history led to the patriarchs to the modern Jews. And their own knowledge of the world and observations led them to that understanding.
Shabir Ally is indeed an atheist because he does not believe in allah, mohammad or the quran, otherwise he would not be desperately trying to find mohammad where mohammad is not at, he is trying to justify his culture and his culture's place in history.
I watched a video of shabir ally refer to the buddha as a “great man” which is surprising, most muslims have no respect for buddhism especially because of statues, id take him over mojab any day
I think he sees that islam needs to adapt to the modern world and not be so disrespectful of other beliefs, which is a hard thing to do considering what muhammad did to the kaaba
shabir ally forgot allah go down to the lowest heaven on 1/3night...on which galaxy??? and how which direction qibla to mecca on the other planet/galaxy???
Oh man I see so much potential in him 😧
His views had always been like this. I have been listening to him for last 15 years. And he is not the only muslim who has this view. In fact, Jamal ud Din Afghani from Afghanistan accepted possibility of Evolution as cause of life on this planet some 150 years back. The opinion that there is a link between Apes and Human was presented by muslim scientist some 800 years back.
even 1000 yrs back....
@Jamal Ramadan just google al jahiz kitab al hayawan or ibn khaldun evolution
I used to listen to a Muslim apologist called Adnan Ibrahim, he was making almost the same points, trying to conciliate religion & science, religion & human rights. It is indeed nonsense, but it is better than fundamentalism. Hope Muslims can buy this smoothly
I was shocked when Shabir said that.
Sharbir seems a nice fellow, but I wouldn't trust him not to cut my head off if Islam came to power, or to stand up for me when others tried. Not saying he definitely wouldn't... just that I wouldn't trust him to.
I know you are running out of material for shows so you had to use me. Thanks for the free plug. Feel free to have me on to see if you can defend my accusation of Shamir Ally basically arguing like an atheist when arguing whiskey the Bible’s view of Adam even though endorsing the Quran’s view of an actual Adam. Stop talking about me but talk to me.
Sam, I don't disagree that he's arguing like an atheist 😂 That's literally the point of my video!
@@FriendlyExmuslim sorry my friend. I misunderstood since someone misinformed me about your video. I was going watch it. But this shows why I need to watch something first before opening my mouth like an idiot. My apologies.
No worries! Stay well 😊👍
@@FriendlyExmuslim I don't believe Shabir was debating truthfully. Imagine if he had to sit down with a panel of muslim imams and defend all the things he said at the debate. He would be torn to shreds and called all kinds of things. Probably threatened. As Sam and others showed, Shabir not only didn't address the issue honestly, but misquoted the quran to bolster his claims (such as quoting from the quran to say Adam was chosen, when the quran quote actually refers to Jonah).
I'm a Christian but I respect Shabir Ally so much, simply because he doesn't purposely lie unlike the other Islam apologetics.
Not as honest as Anjem Choudary.
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That guy is mad. 😂
@@edward1412 I like Choudary because he tells truth.
Shabbir is closer to the holes in the narrative than he concedes !
Yasir Qadhi will have a distinguished company after all !
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Drawing figures of people is prohibited in Islam. Even 20-25 years ago, muslim schoolers were very enthusistics about this doctrine. They used to apply and preach about not taking photos of people,specially of women. Now the scenario has entirely changed and you would find mulla's of all sorts are uploading their photos on facebook and other social platforms. It is essential to update outdated beliefs so that the system can thrive. Like drawing photos, there are many such examples where muslims abandoned their old belief. Even the Talibans are claiming they will ensure women rights in islamic limit and Won't prohibit them to work outside of their home. Usually, muslims accepts these unrelegious things for two reasons,fisrt,they want to keep themselves updated with the changed time and to keep followers. In the case of this imam, he is trying the same, introducing new ideas in islam. And after 20 to 30 years, you Won't be able to say this relegion is outdated 😁,Let's abandone it. You will find yourself in difficult situation to criticise islam then 😀😀😀
Yep 10-15 years ago, poor abdools could drink liquor publicly in many regions.
But they can't do publicly these days.
Izlam is changing a lot.
What is the difference between believing that another intelligent life exists somewhere in the galaxies without any direct scientific evidence and believing that an intelligent being created the whole universe?
You've put an outdated, but nicer picture of him in the thumbnail 😂😅
hey one question plz answer.. how do muslims use there verses n name of allah to treat ppl caught with ghost n jin. if allah is fake🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋
Actually what he said isn't that nonsensical. In the Old Testament book of Genesis, it explains briefly that at some point God had made many other humans other than Adam & Eve. When Cain, a descendant of Adam, is heading into the world, he exclaims that he 'fears being killed by someone' meaning there would have been other humans already living even in a very primal state without much civilization. Christian and Muslim apologists really should lose this idea that God made only 2 humans and from them every single human on earth came from directly. Rather, from them, we can trace the Israelite lineage and many people are related to them, but not the entirety of the world. Which again is why the Genesis explains there were already other humans made across different regions by the time Adam's sons were adults.
Lol haha i didn't expect to see this
Actually if we were in the center of the universe it would seem more evident or at least used that way, that the big bang with all its effects and laws brought about life in this one planet in the center of the universe. Now, knowing where we are (so to speak...), it seems more likely that we were chosen by a Creator that fine tuned everything that needed to have been fine tuned in order that we live, survive and prosper. Do think about it, before shooting yourself in the foot; it's a liitle deep, BUT IT'S A GREAT ANSWER.
Where/When did Yasir Qadhi say that evolution is a silver bullet to islam?
I'll look for it
thats quite interesting.
Thank you ! Quite interesting video ! Be blessed brother in Jesus Name !
Apropos Dr Ally and the need for God to re-enact the Crucifixion on every inhabited planet so as to "save" all of humankind not just those on this earth -there is actually a science fiction short story (Arthur C Clarke I think) where this is actually the storyline -God re-enacts the Crucifixion on every inhabited planet!
This begs the question: on which planet the corresponding A&E sinned first? :D
Very interesting, I think it demonstrate one aspect of modification and watering down of Islam.
Shabir Ally is confused 🤣 how can he say Allah chose Adam when it is stated that Allah created Adam with his own hands 🙌
Quran 38.75 (Allah) said: "O Iblis (Satan)! What prevents you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created with Both My Hands. Are you too proud (to fall prostrate to Adam) or are you one of the high exalted?"🤣🤣🤣
If he says Allah chose Adam so who are the other people that were created along side with Adam? 🤣😂🙌
My favourite surah .
@@ausrm001 me too as well, the Surah where the foolish Lah embarrassed himself 😂
Not applying his thoughts to Islam but to Christianity Shabbir Ali is proving himself to be dishonest
logically one male and one female cannot populate a planet...where did all the people come from at the time of Cain getting the Mark on his forehead to keep him 'safe' from people
I couldn't stop laughing at shabir ali
It looks as if the Muslim apologists are now also catching up with the Saudi Arabian prince. Could be the beginning of a major rethink in Islam. Hopefully ...
Shabir ally vs Zakir Naik debate on evolution 🧬🧬 🧬
My friend asked me what did God before Creation Then I came with the Multiverse theory and that God is the creator of the Multiverse. And God is eternal and so Gods atributes are eternal too. So God eternally created universes. And that Islam is consistent with the view because there is only one God there doesn't need to be a specific place to accept this message. After I left I still believe in this concept.
Some Muslims do believe in other living communities outside of this earth with their own prophets, and that is substantiated by a Hadith. Regarding what Ally said, I can’t judge someone from a 2-min excerpt of debate without any context.
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Nice to hear Dr Shabir say this
"In every man sleeps a prophet, and when he wakes there is a little more evil in the world." - Emile M. Cioran
your videos are very ineresting Sameer 😊
Shabir Ally - “Allah chose Adam” He didn’t create him from mud?
An average galaxy like ours has about 200-300 million stars. There are likely 100-200 billion galaxies in our universe. Most stars have planets (massive stars don't) and some of those planets are solid like the Earth, some have atmosphere and some will be able to have life. How many planets are there? Well, if you just give 1 planet per star (our Sun has four solid planets, the outer four are made of gas so you can't walk on them...) in a galaxy, that gives you about 10^20 planets, or ~100,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets. Most won't have life of course, or intelligent life, but still, this puts into perspective how "unspecial" the Earth is (and, how many "final" prophets Allah needs...).
I remember reading a science report a few years ago pointing out we have an extremely unusual star even unusual for a G2 star. It's extremely stable star with very weak and stable solar flares compared to other G2 stars. Other G2 stars solar flares are too strong and would strip away the planet atmosphere. Also unlike what you see in Star Trek over 80% of solar systems have more than one star.
Put both we have very unusual stable G2 star and single star solar system makes us very unique. Also the star need to be at the right place in the galaxy as too close to the center is not good. Put it all together Earth is extremely special.
@@smidlee7747 Hi there. You make important and correct points, I was just giving an idea to the rough number of planets. Ones that could host life would of course be much less, but still astronomically large!
About 80% of stars may be binary, so you can take 10% of the number I gave. Most stars are main sequence stars, but you can take another 10% for stars similar to ours, and then let's say 10% have low flare activity etc etc, you'll still end up with trillions or more of habitable planets.
Also, remember that our Earth would not be able to start life if it were to begin in ~4 billion years because it will be leaving the main sequence, but other stars like it will be born over that time. Also, if a civilization develops, in a few thousand years of being technologically advanced (we're only just over 100 years past that point!) it will likely live in space and colonize other planets in it's planetary systems. It's all very interesting and one can only guess how many other worlds are out there with life on them.
Either way, to think that some "god" made a silly revelation that talks about tribal issues of the 7th century Arabia and that's supposed to be some moral guidance for all mankind on a planet is simply ridiculous. The Quran says that the stars are missiles for the devils, that the Earth and heavens were separated (a well known Sumerian myth), it doesn't seem to understand that the Earth is round because in 2:187 it tells you when to fast but you can't use that verse everywhere on Earth and Muslims had to come up with man-made solutions to this problem, in a book from a god that is supposed to know everything! And, this god also allows Muslim soldiers to r a p e married women captured in battle (confirmed by sahih hadiths, tafsirs scholars and the Sharia manual). And so on. This ignorant god had very bad morality, allows slavery, and doesn't know basic science. Astronomy etc are MUCH more interesting to know and study than ancient religions. Cheers!
Shabir read the most controversial book. Now he is a controversy.