Intel stability ISSUE / ASUS BIOS UPDATE
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- So far only ASUS has been under significant heat over the Intel issue, in relation to the CPUs not only dying but having fast degradation, and or stability issues, due to the settings they have implemented in their bios to have the absolute best scores out of all other brands. They did not think about the long term effects of this because INTEL has always made a solid chip. Since these new chips are being pushed to the absolute max, the degradation is happening at a faster than normal pace.
Intel and Asus are both responsible for this behavior.
Let me know your thoughts below.
I suggest anyone questioning who to blame should watch this latest video from HW Unboxed. Around the 20 min mark
ruclips.net/video/InYhzQa37pM/видео.htmlsi=QEEBHFxYk44QKjTW
Thanks, I will watch it
Nice update video.
I haven't tried the new bios on my Z790 Apex, I'm curious but I'm probably not going to try it out for awhile. My system has been running pretty rock solid once I got my memory OC and undervolt stable. I've also been using those same values that falconnorthwest posted since I built this rig a couple month ago.
But as we've seen from numerous posts these issue can arise a few months afterwards so fingers crossed.
Thanks man. Yeah I think the bios definitely would be best for people struggling or who are not confident with tuning it themselves.
I'm curious if any of them will release a proper statement about this. Appreciate you.
Ya Ive even run cinebench and checked everything from the video from falcon and set it to that on my 14900k and even at multi core it was pretty cool at 76C and didnt feel like it was burning my hand when touching the case. I feel like this probably helped it, I did do Jays test for 235 instead of 320 and seems to work for me. If I should change it to 320 let me know.
Following this dumpster fire with great interest, thanks for your reporting. In a way, I'm glad I'm presently unable to complete my build atm (halfway through buying the parts, ran out of dough), so that when I'm finally able to fire up the system I'll be able to take the preventive measures from the very beginning to avoid frying my CPU.
Anyone else remember, when asus said it was up to their customers to cover the replacement of their 7800x3d's when their motherboards were damaging the cpu's because of bad voltage?
They claimed it was a mistake in their "copy paste" write up (warranty void). Then they back peddled...
The CPU of course could only be replaced by AMD. In the end they did handle it correctly, it just took the entire PC community to enforce it.
The main fault lies with gamers. We want to overclock our machines, and motherboard manufacturers aim to squeeze every point out of benchmark tests. Overclocking used to be a novelty, but now it's become mainstream, and even ordinary computer users might want to overclock, yet they often don't know how. As a result, many motherboards ship with the UEFI settings overclocked and unregulated. But in doing so, this kills the performance and life of CPUs.
The better option might be to return to the days when non-overclocked CPUs and motherboards were the norm and overclocking was reserved for hobby-level activity. This approach could ensure greater stability and longevity for most users' hardware while keeping advanced options available for enthusiasts.
I agree they should go back, I think Intel in general has a hard time taking an L. We spent the last three years talking about how good the 12/13/14th Gen CPUs were for all things...
Professional, gaming, etc. but Intel really stretched this generation, which in many ways I appreciated the 3 yr support with their boards. This isn't typical of Intel, but their secret was 12th gen was already performing at 85% of what the architecture could handle (I might be being generous).Raptor lake should have been the last series for the chipset, and they should have worked on efficiency , but instead they pushed past that and just kept pushing the architecture. Like you said, they are all just overclocked. I have yet to see one motherboard either that runs the stock 253w either.
I've never had a problem with my asus apex z790 and 13900kf. If you manually tune your pc you'll be good. DO NOT RUN AUTO VOLTAGE! (Edit) my cpu is a very good bin so that could why I don't get any problems. These cpu's are definitely causing problems for lots of people.
That's the issue my friend, it comes "Auto" in the default settings. Some people leave those thinking it is intel specs.
@@abdulhkeem.alhadhrami The amount of people who don't even know how to enter the bios is also higher than you'd think 😬
I have customers with I9 setups, who reach out a year later asking how to re-enable XMP because their bios reset. Should everyone have a I9... probably not, but I also think of it from the business end, they have to sadly make things "stupid proof" for lack of a better term.
@@techwandoUS
Some people are interested in using their computers they can't be bothered to tinker much with BIOS setting.
Imho mobo should come with safe settings (as to Intel specs) as default leaving risks to those who like overclocking
@@federicocatelli8785 out of the box, yes Intel baseline Should be the thing.
Hi all. What setting would you suggest for a 13900k on a gigabyte z790 gaming a ax. Setting pl1 to 153 and pl2 to 253 and max A to 400.
Is that all the settings i need to get stable pc? Thx for help
I got recently my i7 14700, with Asus Tuf gaming z790 ddr5 and 850 gold atx3 power supply i never had problem. I use integrate GPU to play Fortnite and i enjoy my game experience.
I didn't even know this was an issue until I started seeing videos on this lately. I don't remember what a stock 13900k does. But I have mine at 5.3 P core and 4.2 E core when all of them are fully loaded up. 5.8 for the P cores when not using all the cores. Haven't had any issues. Probably because I manually set mine. I have a 300w short term and 253w long term power limit which It almost never hits the 300w limit because of my undervolt I think.
It's pretty lame that this is an issue at all for some people. Hope it gets sorted out soon.
Sounds like you had a good idea on how to tune your settings right out of the gate. Many people Don't. Happy to hear your setup is still going strong, but yes...
It's definitely an issue for some.
@@techwandoUS Yeah I normally tinker for a while after getting new hardware.
I aim for 80C and dead silence since I sit 1-2ft from the computer. So I just tinker with clocks and voltage until I get around my temperature/loudness target.
Even with a 360 aio and a contact frame the 13900k likes to stay toasty. Undervolt is the only other way to tame the heat unless I delid which I don't want to bother with this time around. (Did that with my 8700k)
I'm getting really tired of Windows though. It's so poorly optimized it it's holding back the hardware.
@@JoshM7 Yeah they are all really hot and hungry CPUs.
The rumours of windows 12 have been floating around quite a bit, it would be nice if they spent some real time on allowing the end user to really customize/debloat the main experience. Also have some deeper options, like a performance tab that allows tuning. They started doing it slightly with 11, but 11 has been so bad with everything else.
Thanks for providing such quality content. After seeing your serie on the Intel problems, I have decided to undervolt my CPU even if I had not encountered any issues. I prefer safer then sorry. The result is 7 degrees less, better single thread performance and little loss on multithread.
Weird stuff...
Thanks man, I appreciate you. 7° is quite a nice decrease at least...
Hi there! Just wanted to let you know the specs for the bios didn’t work and actually broke the computer (just wouldn’t post the specs). Was hoping this was the fix. Hopefully intel cleans up their mess soon.
I think it's intel. The motherboards have always this kind of bios profile, but it never happened to previous gens. Maybe Intel knew they can't really compete with newer CPUs from AMD, so they pushed it too hard.
Interesting way of looking at it, you are right. They have always been unlocked to some degree.
@@techwandoUS Im seriously decided to jump on Team RED im so done w instability issues . im on a 14900k dealt w 99% of the studdering w doing the 5.5ghz / 4.3ghz w both long/short suration @ 253w @ 400 a. But im still sick of programs breaking 4 no reason. temps are in check too 50-65c max. ambiant temp 26-28c All fans maxed. msi z790 carbon wifi board
I set PL1 and PL2 to 253 and 400.00 amps and I’m on Asus z790 Maximus Apex Encore and i9 13900ks works beautifully
My buddy’s pc was crashing he has 13900k and z690 Asus Maximus extreme. I set the same setting and he no longer has issues either
Sounds like you have the found the sweet spot, did you happen to grab the new bios? appreciate the comment.
I'm not an electrician, but when you see in BIOS short time power limit 4095W (its 4kW) in Auto mode, you just wonder what BIOS engineers thinking. Btw Intels spec is 253W max.
100% agree.
I have a asus tuf 6800xt but that’s where I drew the line with asus hardware, asrock mobo housing my 7800x3d, not a single issue and I bought it 4months after release. I love researching beforehand and I read specific complaints for asus and msi that I did not want a part of, asrock FTW the pg lightning might be my next mobo from asrock when I build again it has more advanced vrms than my hdv but costs more ofc, got my hdv for $99 directly from microcenter
Smart move on your part, probably saved yourself a ton of headache.
@@techwandoUS I wanted my first build to be plug n play and it was, it did require my gf to hear about all my pc researching before hand tho so ig I was the headache
Yeah I did mess with the Icc settings on my asus z790 hero a while back to adjust the voltage droop. But I reset all that to stock and simple disabled multi core enhancement in the bios and then set some slightly higher than stock turbo limits and my 13900k has been running smoothly ever since. I get about 36k in r23 but my chip can almost hit 40k if I push it.
Appreciate the comment, how's the chip behavior? Any issues at all?
@@techwandoUS overall much better with the turbo limits enabled. The only reason I enabled them is because the chip dumps way too much heat into my room when running heavy sustained all-over loads. Yeah I get a little less performance but overall I'm less irritated because my office isn't a sauna anymore.
@@Lazllb Stability and cool temps way surpasses the small performance bump. Definitely a good choice on your part.
I never liked the Intel tile architecture but was hopeful that after several gens that all the bugs would be ironed out and it looks like I'll be waiting quite a bit more.
Again Asus......
Also burning AMD Ryzen then suddenly no Warranty 🤡
Back at it....
If you have oced your pc to the max, it might be good if you saved your oc settings, to go back to a point where everything was stable. Like a few months after build at most. I was having a bit of ram "problems" months back where it wasn't fully stable. I have 4x 3600 mt/s sticks at 4056 mt/s with cl 16. In the past i had risen the ram voltage from 1.368 volts to 1.388 in steps but these sticks will not run 4056 mt/s with only 0.02 more volts. I was starting to think the ram was degraded or the memory controller but that turned out to be me and just a tiny bit of difference in settings.
It's always that one last attempt. I look at a proper OC almost like a boss battle. You can try it all night and not have success (especially with memory tuning), you walk away and come back another day and boom.
Appreciate the comment.
@@techwandoUS If you get the "out of memory" message you might want to add more virtual ram reserved by windows that comes from the ssd using page files. With the ssd connected directly to the cpu it will want to use it a lot. I don't really think its intels problem if your oc does not give you the free performance you was hoping to get. Also might want to use RAMMap to empty everything once in a while. Your welcome.
Back in the days, I would manually set my voltages and everything else. Not everyone knew how to build a custom PC. But motherboard manufacturers makes it easy for everyone now but it seems like everyone has become reliant on auto/default settings.
Same here. They have definitely made it easier for average users to get into it. Which is good honestly.
Back in the days overclocking actually mattered. Nowdays hardware is so powerful that games struggle to keep up.
Cinebench score and stress test don't tell the smooth buttery smooth gaming for example I'm getting like 32145 cinebench score on my 13700kf OC at 1.29 volts but the problem is stuttering in games like Fortnite,warzone, cs2 and etc so I set the voltages to auto now stuttering is little bit reduced but the auto Voltage is between 1.28 to 1.4
I will update my bios and do a quick test and let you know! But I am back now on AMD's AM5 and so far it is awesome! Much better than a year ago. They have improved a lot.
Thanks man, I look forward to your results. As for AMD, I will be also switching at some point soon. Your coverage on early AM5 has been super informative.
There was an Agesa update a while back (end of last year or beginning of this year I think) that drastically improved memory compatiblity, which was by far the biggest issue AM5 had. The platform is pretty stable now for the most part. I bought an AM5 board about a year ago (MSI MPG X670E Carbon Wifi) and it has worked perfectly the whole time, but I've felt like I was one of the lucky ones.
Imo, I blame mobos for setting unlimited values for the CPUs
As a Intel user i blame team blue 4 not keeping up w quality like they did w 10th gen. Going to jump on Team red soon., just want a brain that works well.
@@adamtajhassam9188 i recently got 7950x3d this made me satisfied and no longer care about the temp or crashes
12th gen is affected but in different ways. Its in my other posts around if you want to know more.
I have seen quite a few but feel free to elaborate
Would this explain my stability issues across the board? My discord crashes, game crashes, Unreal engine 5 games just don't launch. I did all of the bios settings, and it has improved stability, but not by much. Should I just throw out my old motherboard and get a different brand? What would you do?
I wouldn't throw out the board, I would RMA the CPU with Intel as soon as possible
Use these settings to start for the performance and temos everyone expects.
13990k Asus z790 ddr5 at 7800 MHz rAIO 360 unning all P Cores 5.5GHz and E Cores 4.3 Ghz temps 70c average when heavy gaming.
Reset Bios to default not to newly released BIO,'s that now show Intels default settings.
Here is what you need to do. First resest BIO's to default, then set
1. Bios to Auto AI optimized
2. LLC to 4 forOC
3. XMP II or Tweated
4. CPU PL short to 285 watt
5. CPU PL long to 275 watt
6. CPU core/cache current limit max 350
7. IA DC loadline 1.02
8. IA AC loadline 0.20
9. IA VR Voltage limit 1700
The performance is now what is expected without all the crazy temps and voltages and crashes. Cheers!
I have an asus z690 prime gaming wifi d4 with a 13900k that are about a year old. When I updated the bios (not sure what one but i can let you know if interested) and enabling intel new baseline, it went from throwing 320w at 1.2v and hitting 40k in cb23 before, to now pulling 188w at 1.6v and "sometimes" hitting 30k in cb23. Needless to say i wish i bought a 13600k and saved the money. Heck intel and heck asus, in my opinion neither of them know what they're doing. (I probably can't upgrade for a year or two but I am 95% sure I'm going to AMD for my next build due to this)
So my question (rhetorical) is, since it was clear to me that it was possibly mostly an ASUS issue, it surely was clear to other (especially big) RUclipsrs who have a ton of hardware to test. Why they who put blame on Intel and Intel alone? What is this BS? What is behind it? That is for me even more important as it is not the first time I see this type of BS, going all nuts against either Intel or Nvidia. Why so many treat any hardware issues as food for propaganda? Why do they lie to their own viewers/readers? Is it for the clickbait? Is it because they are that clever that they all just repeat the same BS that one two sources claim and never check them or use their brain?
This is not just an issue of course of just computer hardware. This is a thing for some time now with other fields. "No one" cares about facts or the truth. They care only about what is the loudest thing and what to get upset with. I would write more, but as this is a channel I actually respect I will stop from actually using any words I really want to use.
I don't know enough of the hardware to claim that I KNOW what is going on. Intel might be responsible at least partly for this, indirectly (giving the OK to ASUS), or directly by frelling up with the design of some of their chips.
People who claim to know better just went one sided on this and at the very least they misinform the regular people. Isn't there any self respect anymore? Don't they care about what they say and how they say it, but just what sells to the viewer? How is that going to help with limiting issues or fixing them when there is so much BS and whatever color tainted glasses?
Disgusting.
BTW, thanks for the info on MSI RMA. Good to know. I am not exactly a fan of MSI, but I am glad they are doing some things very right.
Thanks for the video.
Hey man, so I think larger channels are so keen to be the first to jump on this kind of stuff, that the entirety of the issue isn't even figured out before they hit upload. I have a long running personal issue with the current Intel CPUs that is possibly related to some of the issues we are seeing now, and in my last video I made it pretty clear, but I'll admit I am not 100% sure they are both related. I have seen other channels go out (even UFDTECH said this) that "Intel is in big trouble". The reality is, I believe the board partners have just as much to do with the issues as Intel themselves. Intel does put their stamp of approval on these bios's when they come out too, but it wouldn't surprise me if Asus fluffed the bios's a bit to have the ultimate edge on performance. Let's not forget the other brands too, there are reports of the issue being across multiple models of MB manufacturers.
Anyway, I hope they figure it out.
Totally get your frustrations with YT channels too just putting out whatever.
Also yes, MSI is really good for their customer support from my experience. Makes buying used hardware even better.
Thanks as always for your comment man 🤙
New video! Let's go!
Update your bios man! Gotta see what you think...
I feel that ultimately it is more on the side of asus , as the vast majority of issues is with asus boards, as those are the ones that by default set all kind of enhancements without any type of user interaction. that are WAY over the manufacturer spec.Intel has some level of responsibility sure , but it was also asus overvolting the amd cpus in the not so distant past. And in order to keep pace, other manufacturer's started to do kind of the same thing. Intel also has not only a spec sheet, than even has a normal and power profile, but also a relatively user friendly application -xtu- with automatic overclocking that... and this is hilarious and sad, when overclocking the cpu xtu will have voltage and icc cache with lower values than what asus sets automatically. I also need to note that intel and amd can ultimately only provide guide lines and basic requirements. Board partners have considerable level of freedom in regards how they set their products (same happens with gpus ) and that is why we had amd cpu being fried.
Very well said, I have seen a few other comments/reports (shortly before typing this) that Asus isn't the only manufacturer that's having issues (which just makes sense honestly). There's certainly less of the other brands popping up but they exist.
@@techwandoUS the other brands kind of do the same. get an msi board, if it detects that you have an aio or even a tower air cooler it will raise the wattage to 320 and 288 , it will also set cache to unlimited or 511.750 Amps. it is just easier and more straight forward on msi to get back to "spec", by changing to boxed cooler than it was in regards asus, but they all to an extend set their own "optimized values"
I have said this a couple times before but not here. This notion that the higher up a product stack you go the more user friendly it should be while its also increasingly a pro/niche/focused product at the top is not true literally in any product stack. Name a product any product. The cheapest one is the user friendly one, mid range is still entry level but with perks while the most expensive one is for people who know what they are doing. You don't hear a single complaint from the i3 or i5 owners because they simply work out of the box for them.
I have heard a lot of people say that they shouldn't have to do X when they buy a new product. Yes if you buy the entry level products you should have to do nothing but use it. i9s are far from entry level. Nothing about squeezing the most perf out of an i9 is user friendly you have to know what you are doing or you wasted money on an expensive part just to bottleneck it elsewhere.
Think about cars, tools, paint brushes, sculpting chisels, pressure washers etc literally any product stack with tiers is LESS plug and play the higher up the stack you go. All products function this way the more focused they get. I find it strange that pc parts have this notion they shoud just work with zero effort on the users side. People should buy a CPU that it doesn't matter if you touch these settings rather than buy the top tier products and complain they dont know how to use it.
I just want to add on in case someone mentions that its ASUS fault or auto mobo settings. That is a known thing in the pc space that auto settings are terrible on almost every single board ever made. They suddenly didnt get better.
i3's and the i5's (outside of the 14600K) aren't overclockable, so of course they wouldn't have an issue like this.
I always appreciate your input D3nsity. You are not wrong, it's a heavy niche and honestly, at first I felt the same way, but as hardware has progressed and seeing the huge increase of PC purchases in 2020. These companies had plenty of time to get some of these basic standards in place. Both Intel and AMD has been guilty and failing the new people to these platforms in every major way.
This isn't 2015 anymore.
@@techwandoUS I agree they can be better but dremy746 helps make exactly my point. The lower tier products do not suffer from this because aside from the 14600K you cant even change these settings. So I think tbh they already have a standard but you as a customer are purchasing a K chip to which there is no standard because the idea is that you purchased the K to make it your own. If all the entry level products constantly failed I would agree. How many bugattis get returned because someone put the wrong gas in? None I bet. The i9 is that flagship just not as costly. Buy an i3 run jedec ram and be stable every single time plug and play. Buy high speed ram and an i9 and watch XMP and auto never be stable every time.
I agree with you too though because they should have an auto pilot i9 mode that comes from intel thats super easy for the i9s that should get within their own published numbers when they release a processor and not expect you to always try and match them on your own lol
Another example of my point is that those lower tier products also come with coolers from intel that you dont get with high tier products because they already assume you will get better cooling.
@@D3nsity_ The one issue that really comes up for me is that there is not another example (as far as I know) of any other Intel processor/s that is run into these same issues. Intel has always made the most stable product as far as I have known, and this is the most unstable set of 3 generations, and again, I'm still on the overall stability issue, not just this one situation of pushing the CPU past its bounds. I personally have never solved any of the issues that I had mentioned months back, I have just moved on and bought new parts, and things have slightly gotten better.
I do agree that it shouldn't be easy when pairing these parts when you are comparing it to an i3 or an I5, but some form of uniformity across the board is definitely necessary.
@@techwandoUSI am surprised about issues being unsolved. I actually had a bad ram stick with that old low latency I had and even found a few more tricks once replacing it to get it even lower lol. I think it more so randomly failed tho. K parts imo have the uniformity, they don’t come with coolers and they are unlocked meaning they have no rules. I do not want them to sell half unlocked cpus or something.
I only say what I say because before consumer i9s or rather before it stepped down from HEDT the 8th gen was the 8700K and I got one of those and ran it so poorly for a year. Somehow I had it configured that frametimes were half of displayed framerate meaning the 60fps was 30fps and so forth. Needed at least 120fps to experience 60fps. If I had used it in the default state it would have never felt smooth but it was always stable. That issue is what lead me down the road of low latency in the first place I was like “why is my 370$ part at the time barely running games? when everyone says it should smash them.”
It's not about the ease of pairing parts when comparing the i3 to the i5 it's about the assumed level of competence the corporation is assuming the consumer has the higher up a product stack you go + specify its unlocked to the buyer. Imo the hardest part about 12th 13th and 14th gen is getting the ram to be stable.
It is Asus fault. They have powered the CPU's past their operating window.
half of it is intel fault because they didn't make a guidance about stock bios settings, they just let the manufacturers to go wild and didn't watch over them
@@kingofstrike1234 Of course INTEL gave all of the power guidelines. No other manufacturer has not had problems with the high end INTEL CPU's. You may remember similar problems Asus had with AMD CPU's also. Every manufacturer tries to push the CPU to give the best performance to compete with other manufacturers. Asus went too far. Unfortunately people now blame INTEL.
@@paulboyce8537 didn't you watch, it's happened on all brands not just ASUS, ASUS seemed like the only bad one because they're the 1st to launch the fix with the help of falcon northwest who used ASUS on their build
I have a asus z790 dark hero with a 14700k and i havent seen an issue. I get 25-27c idle and 75c under 100% load.
Thats good, what are your power settings?
@techwandoUS only thing I did was put xmp up to 6800mts and have the newest bios update. I am also using phanteks Glacier One 420mm aio. But power draw and preformance are really good. I believe it's bios 1202 for the dark hero.
I've been saying the defaults for z790 were ridiculous since i built my 13700k and had to figure out how to set the bios to defaults instead of no-power limit out of the box. Had so many people wave it off saying the chips could handle it, wonder i they still feel the same.
Yeah probably not now, older Intel architectures could take quite a beating, this generation is a bit different.
@@techwandoUS It was even more annoying in my case because I bought a board branded as a creator motherboard. You would think a creator board would be tuned for stability out of the box, not balls to the wall performance.
@@nadtz I would have the same thoughts. One of the reasons I actually switched over to ASRock was actually pretty simple, If you follow companies like Asus, MSI, gigabyte... They are all making like a hundred different items at the same time. Asus, in particular cannot go a single week without putting out some new product, which means that their long-term support is going to be near impossible. I kind of figured ASRock being a subsidiary company to Asus and then only really producing gpus and motherboards... In my mind means that they would put more QC and quality into those items.
@@techwandoUS I've had a few issues with Asrock server/workstation boards but overall they are pretty good. Not quite as good as supermicro but their support is better. Unfortunately when I built my system it was in a rush, I kind of had to go with what I could get at my local Microcenter.
@@nadtzTotally get it
now we now!
so glad asus and intel finally enabled the "pls dont kill my already struggling cpu" profile XD. Man intel chips are already nuclear bombs out of the box and asus dared to push them even more? wow
It's definitely interesting how the manufacturers all really push them differently 😬
MSI has always been really good for RMA, the same with ASRock in my experience.
Asus on the other hand, might as well throw it away. Last time I sent a board in to them it was a dual Xeon board from my work that costs over $2000 new and months later I got the board back in a box with no packing with both sockets looking like someone smashed them with a hammer.
Sounds way too familiar to my x299 story. What a shame.
i did the bios update and...i lost about 40-60 fps....games used to run about 130 fps then it got reduced to 80-70 :(
That sounds like something else is wrong, the most you'd loose would be 10-15 fps heavily depending. Have you watched the hardware unboxed video going over the differences?
I'd suggest trying DDU and redoing your GPU drivers.
@@techwandoUS I've tried that it didn't work I did look in the internet about the issues found another person complaining about same thing after the 1658 update
My asus mobo was pretty good when I had a 12th gen i5 on it, but upgrading to a 13th gen i9 resulted in weeks/months of me trying to figure out how to keep my computer stable. It's a shame really, my Strix z690-i had all the features I could want that other brands just don't offer. But those features don't mean crap if the computer barely functions.
I totally get it, what are your power settings?
@@techwandoUS So doing some research I eventually found some good settings to keep it cool: disabled multicore enhancement, enable xmp, svid behavior to 'typical scenario', short duration turbo power to 253, long duration turbo power to 253, max core/cache current to 307amps.
But by then, it was definitely degraded. Couldn't RMA it because I got it used, so I now use an i7 with similarish settings. It's all good now.
Gigabyte just released a BIOS update that completely butchers the i9-14900k and brings it down to a 28,000 score on Cinebench r23.
Wow, my 13700k does 29000
If you search "wccftech gigabyte baseline" it shows up on google, the article was posted 17 hours ago. For some reason it won't let me comment with the link.
Not only Asus and all Intel 14 series is affected.
Why do I need a BIOS update when I can just enforce Intel power limits already in the BIOS? I have a 14900K and a Z790 Dark Hero.
The point of showing the amount of tuning that is required from Falcon, is the example as to why many non experienced users would want to just update their bios.
I find most techinflencer have throwing shade on intel when the motherboards ran the CPU out of spec. The consistent excuse is Intel had to approve it. Is the implication that Intel vets every firmware a manufacture releases? This has been a Gigabyte and Asus issue for decades and yet fan boys continue to jump in front of the bus for them on both AMD and Intel platforms. ASRock, MSI and Biostar all run default out of the box and leave up to the user to fuck it up.
Although I agree, Intel is aware of the numbers companies like Asus get out of their chips on full throttle, and even advertise with them. IMO they are both guilty.
@@techwandoUS I feel reviewers have to take some blame as well. eg, Every reviewers used 6000MT/s RAM for the Zen 4 launch and apparently this was part of AMD's review notes + review kit. Reviewers should have been knowledge enough to know that is well above AMD rated speed and still reviewed the product like that. Again, that is an example that just happened to be AMD. Intel may have done similar things, but I cannot recall. My point here is that reviewers were happy to review a sample not in a stock form. ie no push back. Fastforward to today and we have this mess.
I think another reason why my CPU hasn't degraded is my cooling for it is total overkill. I am using a deepcool 360mm AIO /w Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme paste and three 3700 RPM 120mm server fans XD
Dang, server fans?! What RPM do you run at?
@@techwandoUS They spin up to 3700 RPM under max load, I said that in my previous comment
@@cosmicusstardust3300 Ahh yes, I remember, I had forgotten you mentioned the server fans. You have some fan grills on those or just open air?
@@techwandoUS Its open air
I have z690 with 12700k my system in on 24/7 with no problems. But i switched in bios the power limiter to intel defaults after watching the videos. Also other problem is intel apo doesn't work it cannot connect with drivers up to date and intel dtt enabled.
Definitely a smart move if it's on 24/7
Intel is trash fr. Never heard my friends complain about their ryzen pcs. Meanwhile my one friend with a 13600k has to constantly tweak settings because of nonstop issues.
The further down the stack the less issues, what issue does he often have? Sounds like his settings are not saving correctly 🤔
There is another bios update that came out end of May..anti tried it..I think it is 2301??
They are blaming microcode now
@@techwandoUS yes that's unbelievable.. put it this Way..they had me fooled..I was starting to believe that lol.. anyway I never ended updating to that bios..I'm in the process of RMA my chip
@@Simmymind360 lmk how it goes
@@techwandoUS absolutely I will
My 14700K crashed i mean shuts down my pc. The only solution, to not go furter than 5.4 ghz for P-cores.
i reduced to 5.1 ghz and an offset vcore of 0.085. now the issues are gone. how the tables have turned. normally AMD is the unreliable one
That problem is mainly for 900k cpus right?
So far the most affected has been 900
They look so cool tho 😢
They do look good
I have a problem with an Asus laptop with an Intel i7 11800H processor right from the start, because Asus does not support this processor at all around the SSD drive, and when installing Windows, there was no recognition that the SSD drive is built into the laptop. It was necessary to manually install the Intel Rapid Storage Technology (IRST) driver before installing Windows. For more than half a year now, I've had a problem with WiFi and Bluetooth drivers because they crash and I'm left without Bluetooth and a WiFi card. I had to buy a USB WiFi network card so that I can have a WiFi connection, so far we have come with this stupid Asus and Intel processor and Intel WiFi drivers. In the future, I don't plan to buy anything from Asus first, because maybe it's their fault that these problems exist, or even Intel with its drivers is to blame. Next time I will jump to AMD and also away from Asus.
Sometimes in the bios there's an option to run the armory crate installer upon a new windows installation, might be unchecked. I normally wouldn't recommend it if it was a desktop but the laptops have some strange necessary drivers that act weird from my experience. Redoing windows and seeing if that helps fix some drivers might be an option. Are you out of the warranty window?
I no longer buy Asus motherboards. My 13700K is on an ASRock Taichi Z690 with Intel power limits enabled. No issues at all.
Good to know 👍
im on a MSI Carbon wifi z790- havent witnessed these issues yet - should i be messing w it?
Glad I didn't upgrade to 13th/14th. Still on 12th.
What CPU do you have?
@@techwandoUS Main rig is 12900KF, also have 12700KF and 12400F though.
@@dianaalyssa8726 very nice, almost have the whole lineup!
who do you recommend as a brand when buying components?
Which part in particular are you referring too?
@@techwandoUS mobo and CPU.
I'm one of the people who have had instability issues on my 13900k paired with a Gigabyte z690 Aorus Master.
Have had to resort to manually downclocking the chip to 5.2 GHz just to be stable (as no bios update as of yet) but in the end have sent the chip back to the supplier. I don't believe a bios update is a fix for degradation and Intel and their board partners should have been clearer from the start and enforced the specified limits as a default. If you wanted to oc then by all means do so but clearly the chip can't handle oc in the long run which makes the existence of the K version of the chip irrelevant.
I'm thinking of going AMD for a next CPU as I've lost faith in Intel after many years but I'm also wondering what board manufacturers to go with?
@@dook953 Sorry to hear about that. I'll probably be doing the same when the new AMD stuff drops. As for motherboards, I have been really happy with the ASRock board I swapped to. Don't get me wrong, all of the brands have the same issues with Intel right now, but ASRock even prior to the Intel news, fixed a lot of the stuttering and odd behavior the Asus Strix z790 was having, I think out of the box they are a lot less aggressive vs Asus.
There's hardly any firmware or software updates that are mandatory like the Asus boards and their terrible software, and it just turns on and works. ASRock RGB is a bit boring, but personally I just turn everything white anyway so it doesn't bother me, but someone who likes tuning everything with waves of colors and stuff might not be happy.
MSI was never on my list, mostly due to not really liking the whole dragon aesthetic, but they make a decent board too. Also their warranty is great. Good turn around times.
Avoid Intel at all cost!
I have Asus Rog Strix Z790 E Wifi with a Intel 13900K what do u suggest I do? I certainly don't want my processor to overheat. I use my computer mostly for photography...as I'm a photographer.
Just set max. CPU temperature @90 degrees Celsius and you’ll be good to go.
For people who understand* the complexities of the bios you can follow Falcon Northwests tutorial on how to fix your current bios, or if you don't want to do all that, I'd suggest just downloading the latest Asus bios for your Strix Z790E. Photography definitely won't hit your 13900k with any massive long term loads.
@@techwandoUS I have downloaded the current BIOs for my motherboard. Thank you for the video, it's filled with great information.
@@richmal50 thank you!
asus is gilty beacose puting crapyparts on expensive motherbords ,no doubt it been seen all over the palce
I got the 14900K recently (got also game crashes with MSI Board) and have noticed now it’s also running mostly on 1.5V while not crashing in benchmarks only in fortnite (unreal engine game).. I used the pc now for around 2 weeks and my question is do you thing I degraded my cpu already or is everything still in the safe space asking as I lower the voltage now?
thanks already for any answers
If it's only been a few weeks I highly doubt it's done any actual damage. What happens if you try to reduce voltage or change power settings on the MSI board?
@@techwandoUS I got Uni the whole day for now but will try gaming in the evening and see if it makes a difference 👍🏼 but thanks a lot that helped me in terms of anti panicking already
Unless you were making crazy stability tests for hours and hours, it is HIGHLY unlikely that your chip would have incurred in any type of degradation within 2 weeks playing fortnite or similar games. Most of the people reporting what we suspect may be degradation had their chips for weeks /months, and had a use case that generally implied a much higher continuous load . my honest advise is to go into the msi bios, set the cooler to boxed cooler, what will enforce 253 watts. I would then download and install xtu, set there also the pl1 and pl2 limit of 253, and set the processor core icc max to 320 A or 360 depending on your cooling - you can do that on the bios also, but i believe it is more straightforward in xtu) and then save that profile. In all honesty for most uses cases outside benchmarks you will not notice any performance drop from going from 360 A to 320 or even 307, specially if you are on 1440 or higher resolution. if you want to be extra safe just down the multiplier one peg down but you should not even need that.
sadly still crashes.. P1+P2 are set at 253W A is set to 307 the Voltage dropped to 1.4V on desktop (high clocks) and while gaming its 1.3V (lower clocks) but still crashes and with way worse performance
now I have bad performance and crashes.. I cant
@@Qalibra time to RMA the processor I'm afraid
is any of this happening on B760 non OC mobos?
I haven't seen any reports on it, but it also doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Typically those boards are far more "in spec" but it's hard to say.
Right here buddy 0 oc, on my third cpu of warranty.
Any good gaming boards that are i9 14900k ready out of the box?
There are lots of great boards, just a lot of bad bios's. ASRock has been extremely stable for me so far after switching over from years of Asus, but I still had to go in and tune the bios a bit.
@@techwandoUS do you know if any ASRock boards are 14900k ready out of the box, without a bio flash or needing a earlier chip to run the pc for a bios update. Thanks👍
@@slipnin2darkness121
The massive Newegg link below is the riptide model. Comes with support out of the box, but I'd definitely lower the power limits right away. It's easy I can help you if you need help.
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@@techwandoUS thank you, this will be my fourth pc build but I’m still a noob lol. It’s actually hard to find info on if a board is 14 gen out of the box so I really appreciate you replying. You got my sub👍
Thanks for the info
I'm on z690 but lll update my rog strix z690g today
Asus products tend to look good and have good physical build quality however their software and QC leaves much to be desired
Still waiting for usb 4 support on my AMD laptop. Idk if that is on Asus or AMD
Dating way back to the HEDT platform, they were always top notch. I think as their popularity grew, the manufacturing process didn't. There were excuses to be made through the pandemic, but they had some major issues even after all of the Chinese facilities were back in full swing. The reversed capacitor that was catching fire was an issue for 9 months before they did a recall. Appreciate the comments!
Think that is on AMD driver support
Asus again... They really...
#LFG
Asrock is the mobo king
Went through quite a few motherboards for both customers and myself, and I am starting to agree, they make a really stable product. The Z690 Aqua I have atm has been very good. Didn't pay that ridiculous price either, it was $399 for a while.
@@techwandoUS I have had time of asrock, Asus and Gigabyte, asrock has.no failed me yet.
Asus around the 775 was great, but since then I have found that went down hill. Asrock has been very reliable, and even their website has ways been reliable for drivers and information.
Wish I had that aqua board. Haha
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