Their big mistake was getting rid of Virgilia. She’s paramount in book 3, without her the plot fell apart. Kirstie Alley was essential in N&S. She and Terri Garber were absolute dynamite on screen. Whatever writers or the TV series decided to write Virgilia out is beyond me.
That whole scene was so badass. It was a great way to end Bent's, Ashton's, and Huntoon's storyline, but of course they had to ruin it in part 3. Patrick Swayze was such a badass in this series, he was awesome. As a matter of fact everyone in the series was awesome, this is the most perfect mini-series ever in my opinion.
@@robertisham5279 I prefer the books to the mini-series. Way more detail and I love how Ashton's, Virgilia's and the rest of the characters story lines end.
I haven't seen this guy in a long time his name is spell casting out the actor I don't know if you still alive built still kicking around is he retired what happened to Phil kassenoff they disappear he was so sexy I don't care if you was a bad boy who cares
@@robertisham5279 The changes they did for the portrayal of Bent for the adaptations were really good. Bent in the books was really not believable IMO as someone who could get the better of George and Orry.
@@deborahskillman3003 Philip Casnoff, who played Bent, is still around. He played a Washington Post reporter in the movie "The Post," alongside Tom Hanks as Ben Bradlee.
There are at times when I wonder how Elkanah Bent survived & faked his own death from the explosion of his empire!!!!!! That is really a very interesting story, despite of Elkanah Bent being a very rotten man & being a real stinker!!!!!!
I love the part where Ashton tells Orry about Madeline. For a few seconds there she turns back into the bratty, self serving Ashton that we grew to enjoy.
I feel Major Bent is a kind of John Wilkes Booth character.Violent, but yet a coward.He never fought any war for the CSA.He is the kind of character that could have assassinated Uncle Abe Lincoln.As a Briton and an Abolitionist myself, I feel Major Bent was truly a vile character.
I agree. The writing for North and South 3 was terrible. The stupidest part was Cooper Main in it. Cooper telling Ashton this is no social call knowing you. He didn't know her at all. How could he? He wasn't in the first two miniseries.
I don't know his name, but I am certain the guy who plays Charles in Book 3 must be the father of the guy who plays teenage Jake in 2 and 1/2 men ... spitting image.
Okay...I DARE anyone to disagree that this is not straight up kick AZZ television. There hasnt been anything on like this in the last 15 years. I miss it. Thank goodness for you tube...
Ashton cared for Bent.She tried to stop him from going in to the burning place.The writing is great . The characters are colorful.They love .They hate. Like real life.
@@privategirl4716 Not disagreeing entirely, but I do recall there was a scene where a man offered money to 'support' Bent's cause in exchange for a night with Ashton and he agreed. And when he told Ashton, she said "But...we love each other." And Bent quickly says love had nothing to do with it. So I do believe Ashton did love Bent, as much as someone of her ilk could love someone besides themselves, but Bent didn't return the sentiment.
And that was the last of Ashton-well for Book II anyway. I loved this scene as it was the only scene that Ashton had the slightest moment of redemption when she realised her evil doings through out the series, Bent dying here might have brought this on as he was her equal and true love of her life! In true villain style of course Ashton quickly reverted back to type-we couldnt have her any other way lol
It has been a long times since I read the book, but I recall that at the end of Book 2 in the novel Huntoon went to Mexico to help start a new confederacy, and Ashton was also somewhere like Mexico or New Mexico looking for a new man to re-start her fortunes.
@@gilbydog7350 In the book, Bent was neither Ashton's lover nor the mastermind of this coup d'tat plot. There was an additional character called Powell, who was the charming lover for Ashton and plot leader. Bent was in on it, but he was an overweight ugly cretin.
The moment at 9:55 Orry yelling "Get away from me!" is the exact same moment at 10:11. I guess the editing people were in a hurry to finish the scene and spliced the same moment to be used twice.
"It's mah empiah! Ah'm gonna save mah empiah!" KA-BOOM!! Apparently, they wanted his "empiah" to go off with a bang! (Har har har.) But the worst part is, they brought Bent back in "North & South Book 3" -- with no explanation as to how he escaped the blast!
@metalhead6859 I've read them all, but it was after I saw the miniseries. Some things were so different. Can't believe they didn't bring Cooper in from the beginning.
I'm glad James found out about Ashton being a cheating butch!I can't stand bent I wish he had died in the explosion.... Because he ends up killing orry main! ugh!
I have Sinatra on VHS. I don't think it's on DVD and he's terrific in it. I want to see him in George Washington, but it was on TV so I guess isn't available anywhere. He played Lafayette.
He must have been a fantastic Lafayette. Philip Casnoff can also sing. You should heat his "Pity the Child" from the original Broadway Cast Album of "Chess." What a talent!
Yes, you would think a detachment would have surrounded the place first, just like in an earlier episode when Orry led a detachment to pick up a drop of weapons on a beach.
@@robertisham5279 that's probably why he played Fran drescher boyfriend in The Nanny. Both were Jewish. He was a Cantor in Fran's church/synagogue community
@@CathieSoliwanted to wrap it up and threw too much together at once. Usually I think books are better than movies, ie Gone With The Wind (loved the book hated the movie) but I perfered the North and South movie over the books. If I remember do many great actors wanted to be in one and two. The third was torrid.
She never had that baby that she conceived at West Point graduation. Madeline took her to a lady who lived in the swamp, who specialized in terminating pregnancies with special kinds of herbs.
tecnically , yes, but then 9 years later they did North and South 3 where Bent survived to get revenge. you have to understand, the producers diverted from the orignal series alot. Inth ebook Orry dies and there was a 2nd Main son, Cooper.
Cooper, Orry's older brother, was in the books right from the start. He was left out of the mini-series until the unnecessary condensed third one. It was a bit of a dilemma because in the second book, Cooper loses a young son on account of Ashton's involvement in profiteering running the Northern blockades and it turns him very dark and sinister in post war south to the point that he has a massive fallout with Orry's widow Madeline. The only other way around this would have been for Orry and Madeline to fall out post war, but that would have been unacceptable, so Orry, killed in the book by a kind of sniper around the time of Petersburg, gets murdered by Bent before he (Bent) murders Constance which was as per the third book. The third mini-series was bizarre.
Nope it’s not. He survived. He comes back in the third series. Shoots Orry and kills Constance. He kidnaps Charles’ son out west. Charles & George hunt him down and hang him.
He's russian i beleive. the man is grat with accents. u should check out his work on OZ. he plays a russian. and also in the sinatra mini-series. he was frank sinatra
Poor Ashton. She did a lot of rotten things yet there was still an ounce of good, or at least guilt, left in her. For me *Virgilia* was always the most evil woman in N and S. She was a total 'end justifies any means' fanatic who promoted violence.
@@Bernie8330 She redeems herself in the book she helps Madeline save new the Mount Royal from Ashton in a quite comical scene Book III wasn't all that bad.
@bprest1 Hokkywood always makes changes to the original books. In the novel,. Bent wasnt so handsome and he didnt get with Ashton. Still, there was some find performances. Patrick Swayze was brilliant.
Like how Huntoon finally shows some backbone and admitting his flaws with the "I may be a fool but I'm not a traitor" line.
One of the best miniseries ever!!!
"I am gonna save my empire!".............BOOOOM!!!, gets me every time🤣🤣🤣
Their big mistake was getting rid of Virgilia.
She’s paramount in book 3, without her the plot fell apart. Kirstie Alley was essential in N&S. She and Terri Garber were absolute dynamite on screen. Whatever writers or the TV series decided to write Virgilia out is beyond me.
That whole scene was so badass. It was a great way to end Bent's, Ashton's, and Huntoon's storyline, but of course they had to ruin it in part 3. Patrick Swayze was such a badass in this series, he was awesome. As a matter of fact everyone in the series was awesome, this is the most perfect mini-series ever in my opinion.
Much better than in the books I'll give it credit for that.
Yes part 3 was awful. They should have left it end with Part 2.
@@robertisham5279 I prefer the books to the mini-series. Way more detail and I love how Ashton's, Virgilia's and the rest of the characters story lines end.
@@robertisham5279 I disagree. Garbage. The books were fantastic. This was pure garbage.
@@MrGruffteddybear So do I. Not a bunch of made up garbage like in the mini-series which wasn't even close to the books.
I never understood how:
1. Bent could've survived that.
2. Why Orry went there alone.
3. Why book 3 was such a disaster.
I haven't seen this guy in a long time his name is spell casting out the actor I don't know if you still alive built still kicking around is he retired what happened to Phil kassenoff they disappear he was so sexy I don't care if you was a bad boy who cares
Same!
@@deborahskillman3003 His portrayal of Bent was perfect. Even better than his novel counterpart.
@@robertisham5279 The changes they did for the portrayal of Bent for the adaptations were really good. Bent in the books was really not believable IMO as someone who could get the better of George and Orry.
@@deborahskillman3003 Philip Casnoff, who played Bent, is still around. He played a Washington Post reporter in the movie "The Post," alongside Tom Hanks as Ben Bradlee.
Phillip Casnnoff is soooo good looking.
This never gets old!
Great scene. Terrific directing.
I bought the collection DVD's. Don't regret it. Best serie I've seen since Star Wars :P
I watched this movie 30 years ago and I love it and like I love it now
There are at times when I wonder how Elkanah Bent survived & faked his own death from the explosion of his empire!!!!!! That is really a very interesting story, despite of Elkanah Bent being a very rotten man & being a real stinker!!!!!!
N&S is one of the greatest series ever!
I love the part where Ashton tells Orry about Madeline. For a few seconds there she turns back into the bratty, self serving Ashton that we grew to enjoy.
Yes. Bent and Ashton are fun, intriguing fictional villians.
There's no way that Bent survived that blast in Book 2, but that's Hollywood.
You're welcome. It's one of my favorite scenes and where Terri did her best performance IMO.
"you stop me? You couldn't even stop your wife from sleepin with me".
#classic #bent #suchabastard
Well, stopping Ashton from sleeping with others would have been a hard task for anyone
I have loved this series since I first saw it!
They should have left it at this and not done that third book. No way he should have survived.
I feel Major Bent is a kind of John Wilkes Booth character.Violent, but yet a coward.He never fought any war for the CSA.He is the kind of character that could have assassinated Uncle Abe Lincoln.As a Briton and an Abolitionist myself, I feel Major Bent was truly a vile character.
Book Bent was more vile I prefer miniseries Bent
Amen to that. 😄
I miss Patrick Swazy, this was a perfect roll for him ❤
There's no way in hell Bent could have ever survived that blast. John James must've been smoking crack when he killed Orry off and wrote Book 3.
The Series should have ended with the end of the Civil War and Lincoln's death. North and South 3 was awful.
I agree. Book 3 was like a disconnect...terrible.
Book three was horrible
I agree. The writing for North and South 3 was terrible. The stupidest part was Cooper Main in it. Cooper telling Ashton this is no social call knowing you. He didn't know her at all. How could he? He wasn't in the first two miniseries.
Agreed oryy dieng to bent at the start i mean like how could they do that
I don't know his name, but I am certain the guy who plays Charles in Book 3 must be the father of the guy who plays teenage Jake in 2 and 1/2 men ... spitting image.
It's a bad detail that Bent survives. He stands in the house or the stock and he would had been killed.
Okay...I DARE anyone to disagree that this is not straight up kick AZZ television. There hasnt been anything on like this in the last 15 years. I miss it. Thank goodness for you tube...
Ashton cared for Bent.She tried to stop him from going in to the burning place.The writing is great . The characters are colorful.They love .They hate. Like real life.
@@privategirl4716 Not disagreeing entirely, but I do recall there was a scene where a man offered money to 'support' Bent's cause in exchange for a night with Ashton and he agreed. And when he told Ashton, she said "But...we love each other." And Bent quickly says love had nothing to do with it.
So I do believe Ashton did love Bent, as much as someone of her ilk could love someone besides themselves, but Bent didn't return the sentiment.
Looks like Orry would have learned unbutton that holster. It kept him from getting it out several times
And that was the last of Ashton-well for Book II anyway. I loved this scene as it was the only scene that Ashton had the slightest moment of redemption when she realised her evil doings through out the series, Bent dying here might have brought this on as he was her equal and true love of her life! In true villain style of course Ashton quickly reverted back to type-we couldnt have her any other way lol
It has been a long times since I read the book, but I recall that at the end of Book 2 in the novel Huntoon went to Mexico to help start a new confederacy, and Ashton was also somewhere like Mexico or New Mexico looking for a new man to re-start her fortunes.
@@gilbydog7350 In the book, Bent was neither Ashton's lover nor the mastermind of this coup d'tat plot. There was an additional character called Powell, who was the charming lover for Ashton and plot leader. Bent was in on it, but he was an overweight ugly cretin.
The moment at 9:55 Orry yelling "Get away from me!" is the exact same moment at 10:11. I guess the editing people were in a hurry to finish the scene and spliced the same moment to be used twice.
Orry pulled a Yoda with suddenly not needing his cane
Bent died anyways but he would have been dead a lot faster if Orry carried a knife. That part at 4:35 would have turned out much worse for bent.
The West Point admissions team should have uncovered the severe character flaws in Bent.
Bent is totally like the Swede from Hell on Wheels
"It's mah empiah! Ah'm gonna save mah empiah!"
KA-BOOM!!
Apparently, they wanted his "empiah" to go off with a bang! (Har har har.)
But the worst part is, they brought Bent back in "North & South Book 3" -- with no explanation as to how he escaped the blast!
so..he didnt care for Ashton at all then? only his "empiah"
@@elisabetpurve2908 people like Bent and Ashton only care about thier own dam self never other people.
I was wondering about that too when I saw the clip of him killing Orrie and being hung !
"GET AWAY FROM ME!!!"
He was so good in north And south rip Patrick swayze..... I wish they hadn't killed his character off......
In the Book Orry dies
Um, Orry dies in the second book so they had to find a way to work that into Heaven and Hell somehow.
i feel so bad for orry
Me too.
@metalhead6859 I've read them all, but it was after I saw the miniseries. Some things were so different. Can't believe they didn't bring Cooper in from the beginning.
this Huntoon was a better man this his novel counterpart
Same for Bent even though he's still a bad guy being a combination of Lamar Powell and they did tone him especially down all the bad things he's done
Huntoon was still a southern firebrand in the mini-series who helped ensure the Civil War.
@@Bernie8330 oh no question about that.
He's from Philadelphia and the 1920 census shows at least one family by that name from Russia so I assume that's where the family emigrated from.
I well definitely hug Patrick Swayze to calm him down as a wife to him
I'm glad James found out about Ashton being a cheating butch!I can't stand bent I wish he had died in the explosion.... Because he ends up killing orry main! ugh!
Dawn Hopkins in book, Orry was killed by a Union soldier before the war ended.
All four actors were cheated out of Emmys.
When did the scene Ashton describes between her and Madeline take place?
Violent? And nightmares?
That is only most of you’s: “Halloween”
Theror, nightmare = halooween of pegans.
I have Sinatra on VHS. I don't think it's on DVD and he's terrific in it. I want to see him in George Washington, but it was on TV so I guess isn't available anywhere. He played Lafayette.
He must have been a fantastic Lafayette. Philip Casnoff can also sing. You should heat his "Pity the Child" from the original Broadway Cast Album of "Chess." What a talent!
That is why my face will not change from how it is now AGIMJ
I'm confused. Why was it just Orry there? Couldn't he have had some men with him to seize the weapons and Bent if he made a run for it?
Yes, you would think a detachment would have surrounded the place first, just like in an earlier episode when Orry led a detachment to pick up a drop of weapons on a beach.
I like Bent in Book II. Didn't like him at West Point. Did love his names for George and Orry though. :-)
We all wanted to become presidents, don't we.
What soldiers were going to help him win his coup?
Not the character Bent, I mean Phillip Cassonoff? What race is he?
Human.
Bent was from the "great and sovereign state of Georgia." Casnoff is from Pennsylvania.
In the books we was a fat clumsy inbreed from Ohio.
@@kurtgreaser988 Yeah thank god they changed that.
Who won the physical fight? Main or Bent? I can't decide to this day.
Main. Bent run away
Leprosy left hand use right to eat leprosy until October 13, 2023
What race is Bent (Phillip Cassonoff)?
Jewish
@@robertisham5279 that's probably why he played Fran drescher boyfriend in The Nanny. Both were Jewish. He was a Cantor in Fran's church/synagogue community
@@robertisham5279 That's a religion, not a race for fuck's sake.
Human.
9:19
Ha ha! Slap the bitch! Damn you, Ashton, indeed.
It's funny how Bent is completely a different person in the book . He's portrayed as a fat man from Ohio.
Which I ha ted.
How were books 1 and 2 so phenomenal yet book 3 was just the ultimate disaster? In my opinion the story ends in book 2.
Kinda like how Superman 1 & 2 were so awesome but Superman 3 sucked dead rocks....
Strayed way to far from the book.
@@CathieSoliwanted to wrap it up and threw too much together at once. Usually I think books are better than movies, ie Gone With The Wind (loved the book hated the movie) but I perfered the North and South movie over the books. If I remember do many great actors wanted to be in one and two. The third was torrid.
Terri Garber is great !
I totally forgot Ashton had a baby till now
She didn't
She never had that baby that she conceived at West Point graduation. Madeline took her to a lady who lived in the swamp, who specialized in terminating pregnancies with special kinds of herbs.
Orry.my. my hero
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I hate that they killed Patrick swayzes character he was Sooooooo good in north
In the books Orry dies during the battle of Gettysburg. So you can be happy, that the TV-Show had more mercy with his charakter.
@@Chrisch72 Orry was shot dead during Battle of Petersburg 1865, the final battle of Civil War.
@@Camel-from-Arabia Yes back of the head at point blank if I remember rightly.
tecnically , yes, but then 9 years later they did North and South 3 where Bent survived to get revenge. you have to understand, the producers diverted from the orignal series alot. Inth ebook Orry dies and there was a 2nd Main son, Cooper.
Cooper, Orry's older brother, was in the books right from the start. He was left out of the mini-series until the unnecessary condensed third one. It was a bit of a dilemma because in the second book, Cooper loses a young son on account of Ashton's involvement in profiteering running the Northern blockades and it turns him very dark and sinister in post war south to the point that he has a massive fallout with Orry's widow Madeline. The only other way around this would have been for Orry and Madeline to fall out post war, but that would have been unacceptable, so Orry, killed in the book by a kind of sniper around the time of Petersburg, gets murdered by Bent before he (Bent) murders Constance which was as per the third book. The third mini-series was bizarre.
Please tell me that is the end of Bent!!! He had to have been blown into oblivion!
Nope it’s not. He survived. He comes back in the third series. Shoots Orry and kills Constance. He kidnaps Charles’ son out west. Charles & George hunt him down and hang him.
He's russian i beleive. the man is grat with accents. u should check out his work on OZ. he plays a russian. and also in the sinatra mini-series. he was frank sinatra
Sorry trying to stamp out a fire on a barrel of gunpouder is yosemite sam.
Elkanah Bent was truly an odious character. Pity he killed Orry Main in Book 3.
Poor Ashton. She did a lot of rotten things yet there was still an ounce of good, or at least guilt, left in her.
For me *Virgilia* was always the most evil woman in N and S. She was a total 'end justifies any means' fanatic who promoted violence.
Ashton doesn't repent in the book though.
@@gilbydog7350 Nor does Virgilia be hanged in the book. In fact the first woman hanged in post independent USA was Mary Surratt if I'm not mistaken.
@@Bernie8330
She redeems herself in the book she helps Madeline save new the Mount Royal from Ashton in a quite comical scene Book III wasn't all that bad.
@@traviskarnes6825 Yeah I'm a bit hazy on a of things - it's nearly 35 years since I read the books.
You’ve got to be joking.
@bprest1 Hokkywood always makes changes to the original books. In the novel,.
Bent wasnt so handsome and he didnt get with Ashton. Still, there was some find performances. Patrick Swayze was brilliant.
Well I'm glad they changed him from an obese Ohioan to a wiry Georgian. Who'd want to see that?
Orry.main move over red Butler move over
Not in the book. Wolper made it up.
Philadelphia to be more precise
She didn't have a baby. She had an abortion. Search for "Ashton Gets an Abortion" on RUclips and you'll find the scene.
Who is the father?? Ashton has soooo many fuckers😂
Some cadet solider she met at a west point party she slept with
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Oh okay, I was just asking because he looks like a person of color.
No he doesn't
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He's very woman fantasy orry min