Horse Pulls Foot Away From Farrier!
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- In this video I work with a horse that has to be sedated for the farrier.
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This is exactly what I needed to see, thank you
Greetings Ryan,
I have been watching some of your videos lately and really like your common sense approach to horse psychology and training. So my question is that I am a pretty big fella over 300 lbs and 6'2" and my weight is pretty much proportioned to my height. I am interested in the possibility of purchasing a horse and learning to ride properly. Had a retired barrel racing gelding quarter horse when I was very young but didn't ride him much. Any suggestions as to what type of horse to look for that you have would be greatly appreciated!!! Thank you.
Mom is 83 and just got a smart phone and you are her first thing she has seen and ❤❤s you.
Hmmm maybe she should be a more consistent old person
God bless,he seems a brilliant farrier. Hat's off to him and you my love 🎉xx
I'm a farrier. If you get the opportunity to train on a horse that is just terrible for the farrier and could do a long video on it, that would be a very helpful tool for me to show to my clients. Some folks just have no idea how to get them to stand for me. But this is a great starting point, thanks for sharing!
The mare let her opinion of hot lava be known with her tail. But it really got her focused on how actually the tapping did not hurt. She really thought her way to the answer! It would be fun to see her after her program when she gets her new shoes! ❤
I never had a horse but love to look into their beautiful eyes. They are so strong but at the same time sweet. I appreciate that you are so loving but at the same time firm. Your knowledge and commitment is commendable. I watch you often.
All these people trying to correct him when he literally shows how much it worked in a 13 minute long video
Great job as always! I always learn so much from watching your videos!
Another master class video. We have a horse thar has cost us many farriers. I'm excited to try this and see if it can help.
Man I just can’t tell you how much I love how practical you are and how you can break it down serially. The way you kept tapping until she committed and the timing of the release. You make it easy even for us beginners to pick up the concepts involved! Thank you Mr and Mrs Rose!
Great Job Ryan, I've had similar success with a halter off and using a round pen to help the horse find more relief standing still and having its feet worked with than running around the round pen. I was shocked at how well horses figure out where the release area is and stand still on their own even without a halter on.
I've had luck with QH and drafts with this method. TB, Arabs and Pasos? They laugh as they run for hours lol
i watch every one of your videos, as i want to be either a horse trainer or an equine veterinarian when i’m older. i like a lot of your techniques and use some when the horses i ride misbehave during lunging or riding
Love it! S solutions are SO much better than sedation, which is always a short term bandaid to the behaviour problem.
Always impressive! It just really always goes back to “make the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard” doesn’t it?!?!
Great to see your wife in this video and the problems you both face.. great job on fixing this problem...
That was awesome. Great job 👏
Thanks for another video!
Question, I have an Arab who doesn't mind moving her feet and working. Is there a different technique that would work for a really hot horse?
There is nothing I enjoy more than watching somebody who knows what he's doing! Well done, well done!
Our 2 horses lift the leg by their own when you want to work on the hoof and keep the foot up as long as I am working.
I've watched many of Ryan's training videos and have used his 'Hot Lava' technique on trailer loading issues. I love his approach to not stress the horse using safe practical steps to get the horse to cooperate - commit to the training session. He takes his time and doesn't rush the horse - builds their confidence level. Super Horseman and Trainer!
This is so helpful for all of us. Helpful also for those that become difficult just cleaning feet. Ty for the advice and wisdom.❤🐴
Remarkable, they learn so quickly.
Super impressive. Great to get past sedation. 👌
Thanks for this video, I have similar problems too. My mare kicks and climbs a lot when she gives her hooves and when the shoes come on. I'll try your advice. I hope my English isn't too bad to understand me. Kind regards, Verena
I’m just going to say…. If that mare has poor foot structure, specifically on her heels, hitting that shoe with a hammer could be sending jolts of pain through the foot. I get that some of it could be behavioral. But I’m a trained Applied Equine Podiatrist, and I’ve had a horse that was uncomfortable just having his heels trimmed because there was so little inner wall to protect the heels. I just would feel bad if this mare was having a genuine pain response and she was being told to sit down and shut up.
That is a good and genuine concern, but I think the veterinarian would have noticed a problem like that? Or the farrier. She also didn't seem to get upset at the feeling of the tapping as much as the yield itself. Not to say this is a one-size-fits-all sort of solution, but I think in this case she was okay.
It depends. Vets and farriers can miss things. Or just have completely different experience levels and don’t know what they don’t know. I only say that, because of my profession, I’ve seen farriers miss things, not care about things, or not instruct an owner because they get tired of owners not listening. But it’s true, I could totally be wrong. She may have just learned the habit from an old pain response.
My little Arabian was Not good having his feet picked up when I got him. I worked with him, rubbing his legs and picking up his legs and now he picks them up for me and is a gentleman when I pick out his feet.
I Always try to work with my horse to make it easy for the farrier to work on . I feel that is MY responsibility as an owner.
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Pretty cool!!
Really interesting she didn’t like the hot lava. Ears back and swishing tail.
Man you make everything look so easy! Thanks for the tip on cupping the fetlock and bending the foot forward! I’ve got a retired Percheron that I am constantly having to shape his hooves and frogs, and big boy is not real compliant on lifting his rear feet. Going to start with this method tomorrow. Again, thanks for the work you put into your videos!
Hello Ryan, thanks for the video! It really reflects to me as I have exactly the same problem. The horse had some negative experience associated with shoeing in the past, and now it’s causing severe issues when it comes to nailing (once a nail, and the whole horse’s leg as a result, got stuck in the farrier’s jeans, on the back side, where the protection ends as it’s mostly covering just the front and inner part of the farrier’s leg, thick winter socks rule, it really saved the day for the farrier back then). I managed to make the horse stay relatively still for a prolonged amount of time while imitating the nailing hits, even in the same place the horse is being shoed. The problem is that the horse now trusts me, but when it comes to the farrier the horse is being more stressed and still it’s not possible to do it without sedation. So it works fine with me, but not as fine with other people. I do (well, a vet does it for me) sedate the horse each time we do the shoeing, but over time we managed to make it much more smooth and reduce the sedation dose to the bare minimum. Initially we were giving already increased dose and even additional injection in 30 mins or so because the horse was “waking up” fast and starting to “fight” the farrier again. Now I delay the vet visit so we can try to do more with the farrier before the sedation, to see how the situation improves. At least we can remove the shoe first without any sedation. There was even some fun moments, the farrier couldn’t remove the shoe by themselves, but when I was holding the leg, the farrier was able to do that. So again, I can fix that for me, when I’m holding the horse’s leg, but when someone else is taking the horse’s leg it’s becoming a different story. It also helps that the horse does know the farrier well after many visits and trusts them more over time.
“I enjoy your videos and I’m excited to try this technique on a difficult 2-year-old horse. I also think that the skill of the farrier is important. I’ve noticed that some farriers can make almost all horses stand still, even the difficult ones, while others struggle with most horses. This is a big indicator when choosing a farrier, in my opinion. Additionally, don’t ignore subtle signs of hind end lameness, such as issues with the hocks or stifles. It’s possible the horse is trying to talk to you.”
Wow My horse needs to be sudated and still cant get the shoes off. She walks forward. I cant even pick her hoofs. She is out of control. I will try this. Starting with just touching leg a nd hoof and she stands still. Thank you
Patience and Persistence this Horse has been worked with 😮❤❤👍
Why would you nail a metal shoe on a painful hoof? Makes absolutely no sense at all. A shoe on any injured hoof will not make the injury be magically healed and well likely continue to degrade. Think about it. I am going to put a shoe on one foot. How comfortable will your walking/function be? You know the foot is sore so you beat on it with a hammer????? Hûh! Please
Wow, I am having that same problem with my Asa. He is terrible. We are giving him dorm gel and that is even worse. Will be trying this !! Thank you
How many hours realistically is it to see improvement like this? I see you do this maybe 8 times and you are seeing results that’s wild
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Thank you for sharing!
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Perhaps in the long term, the mare needs to stand better for the farrier, but in the short term, perhaps a Renegade or similar boot would be easier and quicker for her and rider.
Your energy is so calm. You make it easy for the horse to trust you
Patience and Persistence this Horse has been worked with 😮❤❤👍
When I get a pedicure toe nail trim I cannot stand the ones that dig into my nail bed or under the nail. It hurts!
There's a simpler way to get her to cooperate... put tape on her nose. Js
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That was impressive!
I’m sorry but she is most likely still in pain.
Great work! You made that look easy.
Excellent!
Wow 😅👏
Timing with reward and reprimand, And it's always your idea, leave no guesswork in that horse's brain, simplify to expand
You are shoeing a horse while wearing crocs?? Hopefully NOT!
You need to recognize a bad habit, horse walked off while my right foot was going in the stirrup then it was my right leg going over the candle then it was my left foot going in the stirrup, needed to be addressed with the right foot going in the stirrup, The mayor stands good though, standing is the number one step!
The way you team up with your wife is lovely. It's complimentary to your work. Great content.
Don’t drop the hoof. You put it down all the way. No snatching permitted.
Because its a woman
Thanks for the video, this is exactly what I wanted to work on with my horse. Super helpful :)
Great job. I feel for this mare. Reminds me of myself at the dentist- expecting the worst
Our draft kicked and pulled away her hoof when the farrier was on the last nail, then used her other hoof to pull all the nails out. We tried calming med on her and she was drunk but still could pull her hoof away. So now we are in the process of trying to find boots (so far no one has her size) or use a different type of shoes… glue on? If her feet weren’t as brittle (they crack where the nails are) and she wasn’t so flat footed to the point of limping we could do without, but not so… she wouldn’t let the farrier trim the next time, so I used your method of hot lava until she held still for him. That worked! Still hoping to find something that works best for her!
You are dealing with a gentle low energy horse that stands still. I have high energy horses that do not want to stand still especially when being shod. It's good to use a tie ring like you are doing. I use a tie ring on those that are wanting to back up and freak out when being schooled. Eventually I can tie them a little more secure to something that that is secure and strong like a steel cemented pipe fence. I put a chin chain through the halter and tie a big loop in the end then I can keep that loop over my elbow so I can let the horse know exactly when he screwing up and can communicate to him better than after the fact. Especially on stallions who have a mind of their own this helps to get the point over before that foot hits the ground.
Having owned two horses, the horses were tied up with a harness and rope to a fence post unless I was there to hold the horse. The farrier would then take each hoof between his knees, back to the horses head to shape each hoof with a coarse file. The shoes were then heated and shaped to each hoof then nailed in place. A job that requires a good back and patience. Much respect to these ferriers.
Looks much easier than running the horse around in a round pen. Can't wait to use this technique.
Thanks for sharing!
Excellent job all around. Thanks
Apparently you don't know the old farrier trick you give them something to think about put a blanket clip on her chin give her something to think about you don't need a twitch she will be more occupied about what you did with her chin to her foot. Some days I wish I could do this to people!
Love your training. Thanks for sharing.
Every time she tugs you stop tapping eventually she gave in but won’t forget that mostly she was in control of you r actions
That’s amazing that you cured her of her naughty habit.
She wasn't being "naughty", she experienced pain associated with that activity which resulted in her pulling her foot away. The memory of the pain caused her to continue to pull her foot away in an effort to avoid the pain. Ryan simply enabled her to want to leave her foot in place long enough to make it possible for to her realize it didn't actually hurt anymore. It's not fair to label a horse as being naughty when they are just being a horse. If a child gets a shot at the doctors office and it hurt, they are going to resist the next time they need a shot. That's not being naughty - that's just being a living soul trying to protect itself.
Don’t stop tapping when she pulls away
🤔 Glad to hear the old nail was looked after ! 😂
Thanks for the great video
WELL DONE, AS ALWAYS!! Susan
Awsome. Thanks!
Fantastic video!
Thank you👍🏽
Fascinating ❤
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My horse just will NOT yield to pressure like that. She doesn’t really care if I or the rope smack into her. I’m jealous of people with sensitive horses 😞
It is possible to have responsiveness with horses who are physically tolerant like yours. A search on 'dull' in Ryan's videos will find you one about it :~)
Try R+ positive reinforcement method as an option. But your horse not yielding to pressure is 100% you not training your horse to yield to pressure. It’s a learned behavior that you then use for this method. Everything is taught, mindless lunging doesn’t count, horse needs to learn sending with cues and liberty circles, with or without rope.
@@alisonjem she’ll yield to pressure but it has to be pretty intense pressure. Ryan just looks at a horse and it moves. My other horses move off quick too. Just my one mare is incredibly stubborn. But I agree that I could be more consistent with her training!! I’ve tried some positive reinforcement, but again, not consistently enough 😅
@@lyndsayhammond6884 the more consistent (either with R+) or the more you do the exercise (using least amount of pressure first if your using R-) the less and less pressure you need for the maneuver your trying to do. Or if your horse really really knows the maneuver and is ignoring you, R+ helps mark the behavior and then you can put her on a reward schedule to help with motivation if you choose to use that method. Just depends on your chosen training style. Also Ryan isn’t special, that horse knows that maneuver and Ryan is using his body correctly to ask for it and will reinforce by pulling the lead rope if needed or not. The more you do this exercise even if you have to start with a slight whip wave near the butt, eventually you can just point with your hand, and then just your body. It takes the horse time to develop the cues you give the horse to learn off of. Hope that helps maybe. :) Also I have a mustang I’ve been starting under saddle who when I got a year ago was was also incredibly “stubborn”, but since using R+, best horse I could of ever asked for. We do tons of liberty and tricks and she is the most willing and incredibly fun horse to work with. We even do bridle-less riding/ bareback.
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It amazes me how accomplished horse people who compete with their horses have no timing and feel to train their horse to keep their foot up for the farrier. Ryan does a great job at explaining the process though or a method to work on this, as always.
Interestingly, most trainers in this area never work on a horse's feet. I've had so many clients send their horse to a trainer, only to have it come back no better to trim or shoe. 🤷
@@abbykoop5363 This is such an important skill I focus on when training my foundation. I spend a lot of time teaching my horse leg pre cues that I’m going to pick it up as well as starting with rope work if the horse doesn’t understand yet or is working on being gentled (or kicks/wild mustang/ unhandled pretty much types). If I send my horse to a trainer to be started (which I don’t because I start my own), but if i did, and they never picked up my horses feet… then I don’t want them training my horse. I feel if a trainer knows how to teach this stuff, then a trainer probably knows what they are doing and can “read” a horse to really teach a horse a behavior response. To me picking up the feet is horse mental training, if they aren’t retaining what the trainer teaches, then the horse isn’t really being trained well or isn’t being read/ handled/ worked on enough each session to get these basic things.
What if you just kept repeating the picking up and tapping without the driving her around so that just the repetition was all that was needed?
How could metal shoes reduce pain? Maybe listen to the horse who doesn't want her feet pounded on. It could hurt or just not feel good. She is trying to cooperate.
This is something horses do. If she's not doing something uncommon
As a healthcare practitioner of almost twenty years, the first thing I'm going to say is uzoho stand. I hope Jack with the cradle will allow the horse to rest that leg rather than you having to hold it up in the air the way you show in the beginning of your video and can drastically reduce the amount of stress a horse feels regarding the whole process of having the hind feet messed with especially after an injury. All of Ryan's points are good but s hoofjack by itself could be hugely beneficial in solving the issue
No horse is ever "naughty". She should know that! It reveals an attitude with no place in the horse world.
Learned bad habits are "naughty", its just a word. Chill.
jeze good way to get kicked in the head, lucky the mare is quite, pull the halter firm and head towards your body....safety out the window here...it's obvious you haven't worked in a mustering camp with a plant of young colts...
It’s obvious you don’t understand horses.
tell me you know nothing about horses with out telling me . . .
Sorry i won't bother, You don't consider safety, I realise you work only with quite horses and Pony School mounts...@@casdragon_5939
First off why firm? Why pull the head towards your body when your working the hind feet, not sure your explanation is accurate? Is the mare quite or did you mean quiet? How many teeth do you have Stormy Jack? Obviously you can’t tell the difference between a handled horse and a unhandled horse. You sound uneducated with handling horses and being firm and aggressive teaches because it does not. A horse will kick out if you haven’t done lessons to start handling feet and sensitizing to touch. Clearly you don’t do this to prep your mustering camp colts. Ryan isn’t teaching fear tactics to get results like obvious you do. If you listened to the clip you would have heard him say this horse seems level enough to do what he’s doing or he would have had a helper hold the horse. LISTEN and pay attention you might learn a thing or two. God help those horses in your circle!
Great lesson. Only thing I would do differently is not start what I'm saying with, "So . . . "
@@katemohr6580 no, no, no. you've got to get out more. midwest just parroting every other place in the English speaking world. Don't even start to try to take credit for that verbal virus.