I appreciate the video. I ordered one, but got a notification a couple of days later that they were out of stock. So, I ordered a 60L. It's certainly bigger than I need and want, and I agree that the fridge/freezer ratio is a little weird on the 60L. I'm also concerned because I've read about a spate of gas leaks in the Lunas of late. I have terrible luck with getting defective products (in all industries), so I'll be holding my breath.
Robbie how are you finding this fridge? Have you used aftermarket thermometers to check bin temps? National Luna don’t take temperature from the bins, they take the temperature from within the walls. I’ve used two different thermometers and although the fridge displays it’s reaching -18 in 45 mins - 1.5 hours it actually takes 24 - 35 hours for bin temperature to reach -18 with pre frozen food from house freezer inside. It was quicker by not much if it was completely empty. Meanwhile the fridge compressor cycles off and on the entire time believing it’s at temperature. The bin temperature I’ve noticed is anywhere between 3 degrees to 10 degrees warmer then what the fridge displays. National luna quote the temperature of bin to be within 3 degrees of the display due to location of temperature probe. Sometimes the fridge was accurate within 1 - 3 degrees most times not. One particular night set on ac power bin temperature was -18 degrees fridge was set to -20 degrees, wake up in the morning and all icecreams completely melted with fridge showing - 20 degrees but thermometers two different brands showing - 7.5 degrees. A pre chilled at setting - 1 degree fully stocked fridge went from 1 degree to 7 degrees bin temperature from putting 5 x 500 ml water bottles in and took the fridge 9 hours to get back to 3 degrees. (Not too safe if putting chicken in). Power consumption when running at a setting of 4 degrees both bins was 0.5 ah/h. Issue is actual bin temperature was 7.5 degrees. Power consumption when running large side at 3 degrees and smaller side at -18 degrees was 2.08 ah/h I’ve also noticed the lid doesn’t sit evenly due to an excess of glue/plastic on the front corner at freezer end under the seal. I’m guessing this also stops the internal cutout of lid from sealing freezer section correctly as this fridge has a massive amount of condensation running down the internal wall. National luna haven’t responded to any emails I’ve sent with photo evidence and the brand new fridge is currently at a service agent where it will be a number of weeks before it’s looked at. We’ve missed our first trip with the fridge and looking like we’ll miss our large trip, the very reason fridge was purchased. Was also told nothing unusual about having to wait 24 - 48 hours for a fridge to reach - 18. Putting 5 x 500 ml water bottles in a fridge is placing a massive load on a fridge. Have friends with dometic, engel, oztrail and brass monkey. All completely blow this National luna out of the water in terms of chill down time and ability to maintain correct bin temperature. I’m now having to look at out laying another large sum of $ on a different brand fridge so that our family has a working fridge for the trip. A shame when Anderson cord and fridge slide specific to National luna size was also purchased. After being drawn in by all National luna marketing videos, the talks from stockists. We believed in the notion buy once cry once for price. Sadly our fridge isn’t meeting the marketing talk & now digging deeper their are lots of genuinely disgruntled owners comments/reviews about the performance of their National luna fridge. The stockist I purchased from when made aware of my findings was “nothing we can do, we only sell them. Take it to a registered service agent.
Mate sorry to hear. I still have 2x engels and can't bear to part with them and they are faultless one being near 15 years old. I've had the NL now for about 6 months and seems to be performing well. Always use separate thermometers and find its about +1.5 degrees on fridge and freezer. All my other fridges including the engels and Waeco run about +1 difference to the display temp...had a ARB Elements which was +3 but there is a hack on the internet where you can recalobrate this and worked well after that. NL with 40l fridge set at 2 degrees and freezer at -12 uses abou 0.8 amps an hour with daytime temps up to 25. I did read they had some issues a few years ago with a bad batch of cooling coils which leaked gas into the insulation...think it was about 2015/16 to about 2018/19 ish. Maybe keep persisting with NL and they may end up replacing it like they did for others. So far so good with this one. Cheers
@@robbiereddog4202 Thank you for the reply & info. Gives me hope. They are a top looking fridge with a great layout & footprint. After spending months reading reviews it came down to National luna vs Engel. Btw, with the top large basket removed you can install the smaller freezer basket into the larger fridge compartment on top of the bottom basket which gives the ability to stand taller bottles like milk bottles up which gives greater packing flexibility. Very much hope an issue is found & not just told nothing is wrong that’s how it is. It seems the way our National luna is operating is incorrect although we were given the impression we were expecting too much from a 12volt fridge and our findings were normal. Spoke to the store it was purchased from again today and they agreed something isn’t operating correctly with such large temp variations and lengthy cool-down times. End of the day though it will come down to what the fridge tech says. Ours used 4 x the 24 hour ah total consumption as a fridge/freezer vs fridge/fridge which is somewhat high, I got max amp draw of 8.8 amps and when compressor was running it was floating around 5.5 - 6.5 amps. A real shame a brand new fridge needs to take weeks before it’s looked at. We will likely have to purchase a different brand fridge and slide so we have an operating unit for our trip that the National luna was purchased for.
Hello from the states. You my dear sir are a man after my own heart. I have 5 12v fridges...And counting. 2 40L Engels. Two Dometics and a HUGE dual zone Snomaster Expedition 85L. I was at a outdoor RV show in Arizona and had a chance to see National Luna. I was thoroughly impressed with their fridges. But was more so with the Snomasters. I love the Engels. But as you stated the combi's are really not dual zone and having to run the dial on 11
I also like the Snowmaster and it was a pick between the 2. As with evrthing these days there is little to no stock of Snowmasters at th moment in Australia. Even the NL was hard to come by. Cheers
@@robbiereddog4202 Yes sir EVERYTHING is in short supply. I am so glad I bought my 85L. Snomaster USA told me 90-120 lead days before they were getting any other dual zones in. I wanted the Traveler 82D, the 56L would've probably sufficed. But bought the 85L. 🤷♂️ In retrospect I believe I made the best decision because of the insulation value. 70mm vs 60mm. It's going in the cab of my new Peterbilt. Going to remove the passenger seat. The Peterbilt has a dinky upright fridge in a cabinet. In the sleeper. But need more room.
How’s the fridge going after this time? Thinking of picking one of these up over an Engel MT45, but a bit nervous about reliability of the new compressors (no longer secop/danfoss).
I’ve the exact same model. Broken out of the box. Distributor wouldn’t replace it. Currently owned for 15 weeks, 8.5 weeks in getting serviced and still being fixed. Power consumption averaging 58ah to 68ah per 24 hours. Highest amp draw we saw was 85ah in 24 hours. Our family has a 25yo 40l engel without a latch and it out performs and maintains temperature substantially better then this national luna.
Yes there's a Victron bluetooth smart shunt in the battery box and which displays everything on my phone and a Ctek 250SE 20A charger on the side of the drawers. It's connected by andersun plug so I can charge whichever portable battery box I have in the back. Cheers
14 days, still no response from national luna about a possible seal issue with the lop sided lid. Tech says his thermometer was within 3 to 4 degrees of what fridge was set to so no issue. No explanation as to why my two separate model third party thermometers were up to 12.5 deg out from fridge display when on deep freeze. Other then being told they are cheap shit thermometers. Funny how they match what the house fridge is set to. Nor any explanation why when set on -20 all icecreams melted overnight whilst my thermometers showed -7.5 with a whole load of condensation running down the internal divider wall. Other then being asked what type of icecream are you trying to keep frozen. Absolutely pitiful after sale service.
Any brand their afetr sales service will tell the true story of a product. Sorry to hear you may have got a dud and disappointing with NL not following through. Just had ours away for a couple of days on a trip...68 amps over 60hrs with fridge at 2* and freezer at -14* with day temps at about 30 celcius. external temp reader was reading about 3.5 for fridge and and -12ish for freezer so both pretty close with set temp. Hopefully yours gets resolved. Must say I still like me engels though..
@@robbiereddog4202This is what I’d expect the National Luna ran like & the very reason we chose the brand. That’s great amp usage. When ours was set on 2 degrees/ -18 degrees it used 13.5 amps in 6.5 hours with 2 hours being 35 ambient temp the remaining 4.5 hours 25 degrees. Thats over 4 times the amount of power it used set just as a fridge. National luna see no issue with the amps it used. 18 days now without our brand new fridge, I have a few more days to either bite the bullet and buy an engel or do what we’ve always done, run block ice and crushed ice in ice chest on our large trip. All they’ve said is tech says fridge is perfect but there’s an issue with temperature variation as a freezer. I was told when I first rang National luna about the issue that if there is any issue at all and not operator error the fridge will be replaced, they won’t fix it and return it. Now the service manager says in no circumstances would it be replaced with a new one unless a major failure that can’t be fixed. The amount of registered service agents for National luna is tiny in comparison to registered service agents for the likes of mycoolman, certainly something I wish I’d looked into. A mate just had an issue with his 2yo oztrail fridge. Took 4 days and handed back fixed.
Got the fridge back after a month. Temperature probe faulty and replaced on the 11 litre side. Tested and classed as acceptable with a 4 degree variation from set temperature for the small compartment . The large side 0.5* variation from set temperature. Testing at home the large compartment shows on third party thermometer to be within 0.5* The small compartment 4* to 6* warmer then set temperature. The small compartment was only for icecreams so need to set to -24 to get roughly -18 which causes it to cycling all the time. Strange I’ve asked numerous fridge salesman and they’ve all said should expect no more then 1.5* variation from set temp and third party thermometers.
Doesnt sound right. My fridges including the NL ar up to plus 1.5* out. The engels sit about +0.5* higher than the readout and the NL +0.5 to +1 higher than the display on both bins. The only anoying thing I've found with the NL is the temp will go up 2 degrees form set before the compressor kicks in ie set on +4 then it won't start cooling until the display hits 6 and then it will cool until about 1* then stop. Even though I'm mostly happy will it still prefer my Engels. Hope you get yours sorted.
@@robbiereddog4202 have kept the fridge running in air condition room on ac power 11 litre bin with ice creams, pre frozen water and ice chill block for esky. Set on -21* using three different third party thermometers I’m getting an internal bin temperature of -17* The display on the National luna depending on its cycling shows -23 at its coolest and -17 at its warmest when compressor kicks in. Compressor is coming on around every 3 minutes once it shuts off. Be interesting how it handles North Queenslands hot weather. I expect it to burn through our batteries. AE4A have always insisted third party thermometers will always differ to the fridge temp. They are aware of the temperature difference but see no issue. The tech saw no issue with the temperature discrepancy. Obviously a problem still in the small bin, considering the large bin is within 0.5* of the display temperature. Strangely the actual manual says the bin temperature should be at the most 3* out from fridge display
@@robbiereddog4202The coldest freezer temp ours achieved was -20*when set on -24* To keep ice creams at -18* we’ve been running ours on -22* With fridge side set to 1* Power usage for 24 hours has been sitting anywhere between 58 ah to 68 ah On AC power We then put 15 zooper doopers in the freezer section set at -24* that already had two frozen water bottles and ice creams. 18 hours later the freezer was still only -10* Then 30 hours later freezer was only -14* Zooper doopers finally frozen but all other icecreams melted. We ran the fridge in the air conditioned car for 5 hours and it used 18ah in 5 hours. After 37 hours the freezer still didn’t get any cooler the -15* although it was set to -23* had to throw out all the icecreams.
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I appreciate the video. I ordered one, but got a notification a couple of days later that they were out of stock. So, I ordered a 60L. It's certainly bigger than I need and want, and I agree that the fridge/freezer ratio is a little weird on the 60L. I'm also concerned because I've read about a spate of gas leaks in the Lunas of late. I have terrible luck with getting defective products (in all industries), so I'll be holding my breath.
Robbie how are you finding this fridge?
Have you used aftermarket thermometers to check bin temps?
National Luna don’t take temperature from the bins, they take the temperature from within the walls.
I’ve used two different thermometers and although the fridge displays it’s reaching -18 in 45 mins - 1.5 hours it actually takes 24 - 35 hours for bin temperature to reach -18 with pre frozen food from house freezer inside.
It was quicker by not much if it was completely empty.
Meanwhile the fridge compressor cycles off and on the entire time believing it’s at temperature.
The bin temperature I’ve noticed is anywhere between 3 degrees to 10 degrees warmer then what the fridge displays.
National luna quote the temperature of bin to be within 3 degrees of the display due to location of temperature probe.
Sometimes the fridge was accurate within 1 - 3 degrees most times not. One particular night set on ac power bin temperature was -18 degrees fridge was set to -20 degrees, wake up in the morning and all icecreams completely melted with fridge showing - 20 degrees but thermometers two different brands showing - 7.5 degrees.
A pre chilled at setting - 1 degree fully stocked fridge went from 1 degree to 7 degrees bin temperature from putting 5 x 500 ml water bottles in and took the fridge 9 hours to get back to 3 degrees. (Not too safe if putting chicken in).
Power consumption when running at a setting of 4 degrees both bins was 0.5 ah/h. Issue is actual bin temperature was 7.5 degrees.
Power consumption when running large side at 3 degrees and smaller side at -18 degrees was 2.08 ah/h
I’ve also noticed the lid doesn’t sit evenly due to an excess of glue/plastic on the front corner at freezer end under the seal.
I’m guessing this also stops the internal cutout of lid from sealing freezer section correctly as this fridge has a massive amount of condensation running down the internal wall.
National luna haven’t responded to any emails I’ve sent with photo evidence and the brand new fridge is currently at a service agent where it will be a number of weeks before it’s looked at. We’ve missed our first trip with the fridge and looking like we’ll miss our large trip, the very reason fridge was purchased.
Was also told nothing unusual about having to wait 24 - 48 hours for a fridge to reach - 18.
Putting 5 x 500 ml water bottles in a fridge is placing a massive load on a fridge.
Have friends with dometic, engel, oztrail and brass monkey. All completely blow this National luna out of the water in terms of chill down time and ability to maintain correct bin temperature.
I’m now having to look at out laying another large sum of $ on a different brand fridge so that our family has a working fridge for the trip.
A shame when Anderson cord and fridge slide specific to National luna size was also purchased.
After being drawn in by all National luna marketing videos, the talks from stockists. We believed in the notion buy once cry once for price.
Sadly our fridge isn’t meeting the marketing talk & now digging deeper their are lots of genuinely disgruntled owners comments/reviews about the performance of their National luna fridge.
The stockist I purchased from when made aware of my findings was “nothing we can do, we only sell them. Take it to a registered service agent.
Mate sorry to hear. I still have 2x engels and can't bear to part with them and they are faultless one being near 15 years old.
I've had the NL now for about 6 months and seems to be performing well. Always use separate thermometers and find its about +1.5 degrees on fridge and freezer. All my other fridges including the engels and Waeco run about +1 difference to the display temp...had a ARB Elements which was +3 but there is a hack on the internet where you can recalobrate this and worked well after that.
NL with 40l fridge set at 2 degrees and freezer at -12 uses abou 0.8 amps an hour with daytime temps up to 25.
I did read they had some issues a few years ago with a bad batch of cooling coils which leaked gas into the insulation...think it was about 2015/16 to about 2018/19 ish. Maybe keep persisting with NL and they may end up replacing it like they did for others.
So far so good with this one.
Cheers
@@robbiereddog4202 Thank you for the reply & info. Gives me hope.
They are a top looking fridge with a great layout & footprint.
After spending months reading reviews it came down to National luna vs Engel.
Btw, with the top large basket removed you can install the smaller freezer basket into the larger fridge compartment on top of the bottom basket which gives the ability to stand taller bottles like milk bottles up which gives greater packing flexibility.
Very much hope an issue is found & not just told nothing is wrong that’s how it is. It seems the way our National luna is operating is incorrect although we were given the impression we were expecting too much from a 12volt fridge and our findings were normal.
Spoke to the store it was purchased from again today and they agreed something isn’t operating correctly with such large temp variations and lengthy cool-down times. End of the day though it will come down to what the fridge tech says.
Ours used 4 x the 24 hour ah total consumption as a fridge/freezer vs fridge/fridge which is somewhat high,
I got max amp draw of 8.8 amps and when compressor was running it was floating around 5.5 - 6.5 amps.
A real shame a brand new fridge needs to take weeks before it’s looked at. We will likely have to purchase a different brand fridge and slide so we have an operating unit for our trip that the National luna was purchased for.
Hello from the states. You my dear sir are a man after my own heart. I have 5 12v fridges...And counting. 2 40L Engels. Two Dometics and a HUGE dual zone Snomaster Expedition 85L.
I was at a outdoor RV show in Arizona and had a chance to see National Luna. I was thoroughly impressed with their fridges. But was more so with the Snomasters.
I love the Engels. But as you stated the combi's are really not dual zone and having to run the dial on 11
I also like the Snowmaster and it was a pick between the 2. As with evrthing these days there is little to no stock of Snowmasters at th moment in Australia. Even the NL was hard to come by.
Cheers
@@robbiereddog4202 Yes sir EVERYTHING is in short supply. I am so glad I bought my 85L. Snomaster USA told me 90-120 lead days before they were getting any other dual zones in. I wanted the Traveler 82D, the 56L would've probably sufficed. But bought the 85L. 🤷♂️ In retrospect I believe I made the best decision because of the insulation value. 70mm vs 60mm.
It's going in the cab of my new Peterbilt. Going to remove the passenger seat. The Peterbilt has a dinky upright fridge in a cabinet. In the sleeper. But need more room.
Hi Robbie great video how RU going with the fridge
How’s the fridge going after this time? Thinking of picking one of these up over an Engel MT45, but a bit nervous about reliability of the new compressors (no longer secop/danfoss).
I’ve the exact same model. Broken out of the box. Distributor wouldn’t replace it.
Currently owned for 15 weeks, 8.5 weeks in getting serviced and still being fixed.
Power consumption averaging 58ah to 68ah per 24 hours. Highest amp draw we saw was 85ah in 24 hours.
Our family has a 25yo 40l engel without a latch and it out performs and maintains temperature substantially better then this national luna.
Who makes the window covers for the 200?
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Hey mate, do you have a DCDC charger and shunt installed on that NL battery box?
Yes there's a Victron bluetooth smart shunt in the battery box and which displays everything on my phone and a Ctek 250SE 20A charger on the side of the drawers. It's connected by andersun plug so I can charge whichever portable battery box I have in the back.
Cheers
14 days, still no response from national luna about a possible seal issue with the lop sided lid.
Tech says his thermometer was within 3 to 4 degrees of what fridge was set to so no issue.
No explanation as to why my two separate model third party thermometers were up to 12.5 deg out from fridge display when on deep freeze. Other then being told they are cheap shit thermometers.
Funny how they match what the house fridge is set to.
Nor any explanation why when set on -20 all icecreams melted overnight whilst my thermometers showed -7.5 with a whole load of condensation running down the internal divider wall.
Other then being asked what type of icecream are you trying to keep frozen.
Absolutely pitiful after sale service.
Any brand their afetr sales service will tell the true story of a product. Sorry to hear you may have got a dud and disappointing with NL not following through. Just had ours away for a couple of days on a trip...68 amps over 60hrs with fridge at 2* and freezer at -14* with day temps at about 30 celcius. external temp reader was reading about 3.5 for fridge and and -12ish for freezer so both pretty close with set temp.
Hopefully yours gets resolved.
Must say I still like me engels though..
@@robbiereddog4202This is what I’d expect the National Luna ran like & the very reason we chose the brand. That’s great amp usage. When ours was set on 2 degrees/ -18 degrees it used 13.5 amps in 6.5 hours with 2 hours being 35 ambient temp the remaining 4.5 hours 25 degrees. Thats over 4 times the amount of power it used set just as a fridge.
National luna see no issue with the amps it used.
18 days now without our brand new fridge, I have a few more days to either bite the bullet and buy an engel or do what we’ve always done, run block ice and crushed ice in ice chest on our large trip.
All they’ve said is tech says fridge is perfect but there’s an issue with temperature variation as a freezer.
I was told when I first rang National luna about the issue that if there is any issue at all and not operator error the fridge will be replaced, they won’t fix it and return it.
Now the service manager says in no circumstances would it be replaced with a new one unless a major failure that can’t be fixed.
The amount of registered service agents for National luna is tiny in comparison to registered service agents for the likes of mycoolman, certainly something I wish I’d looked into.
A mate just had an issue with his 2yo oztrail fridge. Took 4 days and handed back fixed.
Got the fridge back after a month.
Temperature probe faulty and replaced on the 11 litre side.
Tested and classed as acceptable with a 4 degree variation from set temperature for the small compartment .
The large side 0.5* variation from set temperature.
Testing at home the large compartment shows on third party thermometer to be within 0.5*
The small compartment 4* to 6* warmer then set temperature.
The small compartment was only for icecreams so need to set to -24 to get roughly -18 which causes it to cycling all the time.
Strange I’ve asked numerous fridge salesman and they’ve all said should expect no more then 1.5* variation from set temp and third party thermometers.
Doesnt sound right. My fridges including the NL ar up to plus 1.5* out. The engels sit about +0.5* higher than the readout and the NL +0.5 to +1 higher than the display on both bins. The only anoying thing I've found with the NL is the temp will go up 2 degrees form set before the compressor kicks in ie set on +4 then it won't start cooling until the display hits 6 and then it will cool until about 1* then stop.
Even though I'm mostly happy will it still prefer my Engels.
Hope you get yours sorted.
@@robbiereddog4202 have kept the fridge running in air condition room on ac power 11 litre bin with ice creams, pre frozen water and ice chill block for esky. Set on -21* using three different third party thermometers I’m getting an internal bin temperature of -17*
The display on the National luna depending on its cycling shows -23 at its coolest and -17 at its warmest when compressor kicks in.
Compressor is coming on around every 3 minutes once it shuts off.
Be interesting how it handles North Queenslands hot weather. I expect it to burn through our batteries.
AE4A have always insisted third party thermometers will always differ to the fridge temp.
They are aware of the temperature difference but see no issue.
The tech saw no issue with the temperature discrepancy.
Obviously a problem still in the small bin, considering the large bin is within 0.5* of the display temperature.
Strangely the actual manual says the bin temperature should be at the most 3* out from fridge display
@@robbiereddog4202The coldest freezer temp ours achieved was -20*when set on -24*
To keep ice creams at -18* we’ve been running ours on -22*
With fridge side set to 1*
Power usage for 24 hours has been sitting anywhere between 58 ah to 68 ah
On AC power We then put 15 zooper doopers in the freezer section set at -24*
that already had two frozen water bottles and ice creams.
18 hours later the freezer was still only -10* Then 30 hours later freezer was only -14* Zooper doopers finally frozen but all other icecreams melted.
We ran the fridge in the air conditioned car for 5 hours and it used 18ah in 5 hours.
After 37 hours the freezer still didn’t get any cooler the -15* although it was set to -23* had to throw out all the icecreams.