Nintendo Might Kill Emulators for Good
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Yuzu folds in response to Nintendo’s lawsuit.
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You can't kill open source. That's like going to war on oxygen.
war on drugs, war on terror
@@Climacticc_Chaos how dare you tell the truth
But they can kill people getting paid for emulator development
@@bummer7736And therefore heavily cripple open source development
@@chlorophyllphile but you could still sneakily store the source code until the heat dies down and continue the cycle
The amount Nintendo spends on their constant futile litigation could've been better spent porting their games to PC which in turn would decentivize emulators.
I'm against downloading games without paying, yet this point is fantastic. Nintendo should see the huge demand for playing their games on a better quality computer than the Switch (yikes) and offer new products we can pay for. I totally agree.
The really annoying part is Nintendo isn't porting those games. They are just building their own emulator to run those games on their consoles. And THEN every time they change consoles they recharge us for the games again when all Nintendo has to do is update the emulator for each console generation. It's not even some wonky in house hardware architecture which could cause problems. It's just updating the already written emulator to the new specs on their own OS which they have total control over on well documented industry standard hardware architecture.
While harassing and insulting casual gamers for owning a switch.
Even as someone that has a PC and a steam deck and emulates games while owning the original copy, I find it absolutely pathetic and ungrateful for those people to do it to casual gamers.
By the end of the day, emulation is still going to be around just the way it is
They're not doing this intentionally. For them, it's a feature that you have to buy their hardware to play their games. It's like Apple: you buy their device, then you can use the ecosystem
Is it really futile though? When the ones they sued, lose to them.
God, I hope this doesn't all bend Nintendo's way, we need emulation to help preserve games in this day & age
And they want that too.
That would be nice, but under every video like this, you see people boasting about how they only pirate nintendo games now due to this kind of thing.
Nintendo wouldn’t feel the need to take this kind of action if people bought the hardware and software and then used emulators. A LOT of people just steal the software without paying. That hurts nintendo because they get less cash, and it hurts you because they can’t dedicate as many resources to developing games and hardware for you to enjoy.
I dislike how mean Nintendo is when shutting down fan projects (eg: the projects made by people who love their games and characters the most). But i definitely think they’re right to try to prevent people from stealing their products.
@@Syzygy_BlissNobody was stealing shit. Most of the users of Yuzu were legal owners of the console and games.
@Kevin-oj2uo yeah right
@@Syzygy_Bliss if Nintendo didn't lock their games to hardware from 2012 then I would gladly buy their games
I'm not even asking for PC ports, I'm fine emulating but at least let me buy your damn game digitally (I despise physical media) you can't even purchase the game on Nintendos website digitally without a switch, it prompts you to link a switch for a remote download BEFORE you purchase
Nintendo makes giving them money actually difficult, so why should I give them money
one thing to consider regarding how fast Tropic Haze settled. Settling out of court means that this case cannot be used in reference to any other emulator case. They played their business sloppy and took money, weren't tight on policing their discord against piracy, and they knew this would be a loss. So they settled rather than go to court, lose, and become the stick all other emulators were beat with. Nintendo would have loved this to go to court, depending on how much they could have tore Haze apart for and how rigged the courts were, that court battle could have won them and others dozens more. I could be wrong, but Tropic Haze loved the emulator scene and community enough to accept a swift and painless death no hesitation rather than risk the entire emulator legality coming under fire.
Imagine getting sued because your emulator "phoned home" and your IP address and game list appeared in their logs. Jesus.
Could just request a new IP if one's really worried about it.
Usually power cycling your router or even messing with static/dhcp stuff can possibly get it to change (it does for us, anyway.)
@@HobkinBoi Yeah just about all consumer ISPs cycle their public IPs. An IP really doesn't give you any power nowadays other than a general idea of where you're located.
Citra Android have telemetry go to permissions of the app and disable data, wifi and roaming you'll see how citra Say it can't connect to internet. And one of the folders of citra-emu have a file named telemetry_id. Becareful
you do know its dynamic ip 😂
You all realize that it's not about Nintendo directly contacting you with your IP right? They can just ask your ISP and they will give them that info cause they don't want to be sued either 💀
The term Linus was looking for was "vertical integration" as a business model. They want to own the hardware, the software, the game, the devs, etc.
In other words, they want to be Atari in the 70's when the VCS was released.
@@cdyearsleyIn that case, they can join Atari in the video game crash and fail in a spectacular fashion.
@@balsalmalberto8086 Nintendo was extremely strict about this exclusivity aspect even in the olden days, it's a thing that goes back even to at least the 80s. The exclusivity contracts they used to sign with their third parties were ridiculously restrictive, and they were out there suing tools like Game Genie.
I guess the key differentiating factors here would be not only the much smaller (though by no means absent) quantities of "official" shovelware and the reputation they've built up over a long period. Nintendo has had enough of an emotional grip over its fans and consumers over years of gaming to essentially integrate itself into people's personalities throughout at least 3 generations, and that level of emotional attachment is something that it's much harder to break free of (especially if many of their fans aren't following wider developments in the gaming industry due to their casual involvement with gaming as well, and are thus unaware of many of Nintendo's controversies).
I guess the key differentiating factors here would be not only the smaller amount (though by no means absence) of “official” shovelware but also the reputation Nintendo’s built up over the years that manifests itself in the form of far more deep-seated preferences. They’ve been around long enough to essentially integrate themselves into the personalities and preferences of 2-3 generations, and that means it’s harder to break free of that emotional attachment.
First they make us comfortable with not owning our games, next thing they make us comfortable with not owning our hardware
Not surprising in Japan did Nintendo already get a law passed that made console modding illegal.
@rynobehnke8289I'd still do it if I lived there, no one can tell me what to do with something I paid $ for.
@@GoofyPoptart I mean the Government ultimately makes the rules ownership it self is just a law otherwise is just possession and nothing more meaning everyone can steal it form you and you can't do anything but try to steal it back.
Funnily enough not owning your games didn't come from Nintendo or consoles in general, Valve spearheaded it with Steam.
Bit late on that one sadly.
Didn't Sony tried to sue Bleem! the old PSX emulator? That was behind a paywall, the whole thing not just a premium version, and Bleem! WON the lawsuit (even though the cost caused them to go out of business.)
Yes, but both Bleem! and Connectix Virtual Game Station had checks to prevent playing copied games, so Sony couldn't make a DMCA 1201 claim. Furthermore, PS1 (and PS2/3 games AFAIK) weren't actually encrypted, so they didn't have to worry about shipping keys.
In contrast, Yuzu provided instructions on how to dump your decryption keys and games. This isn't "as bad" as shipping decryption keys outright, but it's still illegal to tell people how to break DRM, regardless of the purpose. Yuzu further did a lot of "not necessarily illegal on its own, but definitely enhances the damages" shit like having a Patreon where they sold access to patches to make prerelease games work better.
If Nintendo had their way merely writing the emulator itself would be considered "breaking DRM", because they're nuts and think it's a copyright / license violation to format shift games you own. I don't think the law actually goes that far; otherwise Nintendo could go after Hyperkin for all the clone consoles they make for Nintendo systems. What the law says is that you can't tell people how to copy games, even if it's the only way to legally use your emulator.
@@SuperSmashDollsAlso, Yuzu developers had online drivers with pirated games on the private discord. Nintendo has a big law team, the emulation situation is really well known for a long time, they just found a loophole that could potentially create new interpretations. Claims that it is "the end of emulation" is almost misleading
Games and enulators are vastly different from decades ago than these days.
Even Hoeg law said "consoles and games now has security keys that is a code of the system that is subject to cooyright so that the notion of emulation had won is no longer the norm"
This is why when a new litigation happens - this might turn it againts us.
@@SuperSmashDollsDMCA also came after those cases and PlayStation didn’t feature encryption.
I might misremember, but didnt sega tried shit like that with using their logo being necesary to boot games on genesis and then going after companies that did not have licence? Would not something similar apply?
Folks this is just a simple case of bad opsec on the dev's part. Nothing about the legality of ripping your own Switch keys and emulation has been changed by them folding so fast. Stop panicking please ❤
Then what about the takedown of Lockpick_RCM and the general implications of DRM law with respect to decrypting your Switch games? Isn't this like the DVD thing where it's illegal to circumvent the "technological protections"?
All of those were taken down but because the case was never formally taken through court, there’s no precedent set at all, for better or worse. It’ll continue being a grey area until more concrete developments are taken in this area.
Yes, it’s supposed to be illegal to circumvent TPMs, but the DMCA also provides certain exceptions like “interoperability” (potentially beneficial to emulators). The problem is that we’ll not get full confirmation as to that until it’s been tested in a proper suit, and companies like Nintendo as well as emulation developers are unwilling to take the case up to a full, prolonged lawsuit for different reasons.
So we continue to live in this ambiguous little grey area where emulators and their auxiliary tools continue to exist in the shadows, never able to come out openly and freely, while Nintendo is never able to stamp them out entirely.
@@jxwong_3982 Yeah those tools will also certainly be remade or re-uploaded by different teams, or their need bypassed entirely somehow. It's a cat and mouse thing, other 3DS emulators didn't really need to come out or improve because Citra was around. Personally I'm excited, because I could never get good motion clarity out of Citra, and I still have the latest version ofc. The yuzu team did a lot wrong, so I want to see more thoughtful team(s) and their take a 3DS or switch emulator. The switch also already has on going emulation projects for it, namely ryujinx.
Works for me!
Nintendo has now taken down Ryujinx and is sending copyright strikes to youtubers for merely showing Nintendo games being emulated, so I think it's time to panic
10 years from now, we are gonna look back on this clip and realize how extraordinary this point in gaming is: Post AAA Dominance, Birth of Indie Renaissance, Inflection of Hardware/Software/AI Evolution. 2024 will be our generation’s equivalent of the migration of gaming from arcades to living rooms.
The disappearance of arcades is a bad thing though like we can observe the social growth in todays youth being stinted due to american urban design leaving no room for what are called third places outside the home and work or school
@@Katzelle3With AI and the pushing of VR/AR, it's only going to get more extreme.
I wish internet cafes were more popular in the US.
Ridiculously optimistic of you to think that the video game industry is going to survive another 10 years if they keep up what they are doing
@@webbedshadow2601Ridiculously ignorant statement.
@@throwaway450 Sorry, it's not just videogames, I have a hard time imagining what anything will be like a decade from now
Yeah, good luck with that. They might kill the easy and open distribution of them. But anything that is already out there isn't going anywhere, and new stuff will still be developed as needed.
If buying isn't owning, emulating isn't stealing.
Emulation literally isn't even stealing. If proprietary code is not packaged with emulation software, they're legal. Keep on emulating bro :D
@John-PaulHunt-wy7lfthat’s not socialism. This is a direct consequence of unchecked capitalism. We’re being sold a product we don’t even have. That is a capitalistic dream.
would be cool if we stopped saying socialism is when capitalism lmao
Touché
Luke pronouncing Ryujinx the exact way I have for years, only for Linus to immediately correct him with a more logical pronunciation Ryu-Jin X... that hit on a personal level.
I will always support Emulation 💯%
My kids will play on Emulation before they ever touch a console.
Especially these days with so many cheap mini pc's that can run all sorts of emulation software well enough to emulate all but the latest greatest consoles, which Nintendo doesn't do high end anymore, their hardware tend to lag behind sota a fair bit.
@@kaseyboles30 This is because they tend to target the casual gamer, and those who are nostalgic for their games. Those two groups tend to be more forgiving of lower end hardware.
I have as far back as the Gameboy colour. I was team Nintendo until the PS4. Then switch became a secondary console for me.
Basically If it's available to buy today a game in a way the developers get money, buy it. Otherwise, I emulate it. @@trappedoctopus
No one has the money to fight Nintendo.. the lawyer fees alone.
What if someone was so good at law that they could beat Nintendo pro se?
Valve does probably. Sony also. Microsoft definitely, if they ever go against nintendo for whatever reason, they'd destroy nintendo.
Microsoft most DEFINITELY. Remember, their was a leak that they wanted to buy nintendo@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat
They could in theory, but they want to avoid litigation for different reasons. No big company out there actively seeks out litigation that they’re not sure they can win.
Remember the Dolphin fiasco on Steam? Valve asked Dolphin not to release on Steam because they reached out to Nintendo for confirmation and received a response, rather than charging ahead and supporting the release. What they did was the savvier, safer and smarter move in terms of avoiding liability and hurting their relationship with Nintendo. If they’d gone ahead, Valve themselves would be risking legal action from Nintendo, and whatever Gabe Newell has said about piracy being a service problem, I don’t think he wants to expose Valve to legal liability just so he can stick that point in Nintendo’s face.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Depends on where they were getting sued at. Japanese law is way more aggressive than America law. If said events happened in Japan, Nintendo might have the advantage.
The Bleem PlayStation emulator was sued by Sony, who lost the court case (well documented legally safe reverse engineering, and quite a few other smart moves) though they bankrupted Bleem with the legal fees and getting pre-judgement injunctions so they couldn't sell the emulator and so on. BUT the case established that in the US emulators were not illegal just by what they do. However creating an emulator in the US is still a landmine to do. You have to do everything right including the folk who write the code not ever seeing any of the original devices code. And being very careful to do nothing that could be seen as encouraging use of illegal copies and so on. If you want to be part of any attempt to create an emulator get as many good lawyers in the field as possible and other experts to find out how to do it right and plan way ahead to do just that.
Nintendo tries not to litigate things to death (impossible)
Chillax, whenever Nintendo takes down something it Still remains on the internet
The project aiming to replace Yuzu, "Suyu" has a fun name alluding to the attempt to take emulation down with " Sue You" haha
Don't have high hopes for them ngl. the devs are literally trying to use chatgpt to try and understand Yuzu's code. Absolutely not going anywhere unless someone with real experience joins
Seriously fuck Nintendo. if they actually do get their way I think gamers need to seriously consider a boycott of all Nintendo products going forward. They are getting far too greedy.
Yes F nintendo for trying to protect their ip's
"gamer boycott" yea because it's worked so well in the past lmao
@@NeCrOmAnCiN85 found the fanboy
Yeah, I'm just about done with Nintendo's garbage legal battles they pull with emulation and Smash Bros. I'm leaning towards buying only EOL cartridges or discs, dumping the ROMs, and sticking purely with emulation just so I don't have to give the company another penny.
@@mreggnoggin That's not fanboyism, it doesn't take a fanboy to look at what Nintendo is doing.
One 3DS emulator already had a replacement roll out so they didn't really change much...
@j0hn84 I've seen two pop up already, one of them is even working on functional console menu emu.
Yeah after seeing games I never got to play randomly disappear from my steamlibrary, to a Sony oopsie leading to losing my PSN-account and all purchased games I'm done with them all.
Give us back the right to protect and preserve what we paid for and should own!
PC gaming always was and always will be the way to play games, especially if you buy them from GOG. All other platforms eventually keep shooting themselves in the foot
Since when do games disappear from your Steam's library? Games whose store listing is taken down should still be playable by those who purchased them.
@@ThePC007 my guess would be either devs/publishers sneaking shady stuff in with their games, or some rare kinda dispute between them and Valve itself-- It happens.
Games don’t disappear from your steam library, you can’t buy them once delisted or if they are a multiplayer game that shutdown but they shouldn’t disappear, what game are you referring to?
Honestly, MS has got a deadly advantage when it comes to runing a software company. Though I have to say .. the sheer amount of money that Sony could print by doing their own windows store front that's nothing more than a really tight emulator & them selling images of old games for a few bucks a piece or even offering subscription models like renting games in their back catalog... is stupidly powerful.
Sony has already seen success on the PC side from select games, and it's not hard to see the grace given to old console games in an emulator. X.x Seriously they could put a serious dent into older system emulation by making it easy & selling official games, while turning a blind eye to images they can't sell the rights to being played.
Modern Sony would manage to spend more censoring old ROMs than they earn selling them.
if anything, other emulator devs are/should be looking closely on what NOT to do. And since most emulators are open-source, I don't see projects like Dolphin, PCSX2, VBA getting swipped off the internet anytime soon
Yuzu (the app, and now 9999999 forks) "exists" but the hillarously outdated compatibility list is on the waybackmachine only. You're right yuzu being run by twat nuggets was also bad.
I like Nintendo as a brand, I think that they make really great and accessible games regardless of what kind of person you are. Which personally as I have gotten older, I do genuinely appreciate, especially with partners and/or with small humans. But nah. Its taken them a REALLY long time to even remotely understand just social media & content creation around their games alone. Its gonna take them probably just as long to realize playing a game of digital whack-a-mole when it comes to emulation isn't going to work, its very boomer dinosaur level thinking. As much as I would like Nintendo to say come out with a service for PC/other devices to play on, obviously not going to happen. They have good games, but... not the greatest hardware.
Ok boomer.
Yuzu was selling games on a disord.
Nintendo probably sent their Yakuza assassination squad to make threats.
There'll always be copies around, particularly on private servers hidden away and in servers that are located in countries that have very strong protections. And once something's on the Internet, it's there forever.
Nintendo should be sued by the game creators for system locking their projects. Not allowing them to port to PC has ROBBED them of millions of dollars over the last decade alone for not being able to port titles to PC. We can look at all the PC ported versions of games for other systems over the last decade to aggregate an average costs lost, then multiply that by the number of titles the creator participated in the creation of. For obvious less/more popular titles create a percentage scale based on average costs lost adjusted for inflation in today’s economy.
The first games I would PAY for if they did port are Breath of the wild and, Super Mario RPG the legend of the seven stars.
Yo, when will emu devs stop to talk about freakin ways to pirate stuff,yuzu had fatal flaws in its documentation which allowed Nintendo to sue it.
I agree with your take on the Nintendo Switch. It really does suck. Never had a great time with it. Some hits but a lot of misses. For a while it just became my indie game machine. Now it’s collecting dust. Because of the Steamdeck I rarely use that thing unless if it is for exclusives. But ever since big daddy Nintendo been shutting down open source projects. I just don’t have any inclination to give money to them. I don’t like giving money to bullies. Also I hope this means more and more no name companies pop up because I will gladly support indies just not AAA companies. I prefer playing smaller AA or single A games now. AAA games just have no soul in it anymore.
"I dont wanna play on the switch! It f***ing sucks!"
This is the ultimate point. I have my modded switch and even still with patches or mods, games still dont play as good as on my pc or another device. I saw my storage and i have bought over 5 switches, over 100 games, like damn is it too much to ask for a device that wont die in 2-3 hours, or that doesnt struggle with 3d graphics in handheld mode?
Emulators have already been deemed legal in court cases. As far as I can tell, there's absolutely ZERO reason that Yuzu had to shut down.
It could've possibility been because of the Patreon the Yuzu team had for the emulator
@@Toaster_Toast It's legal to sell emulators and certainly to accept donations for them
@@Toaster_Toastand plus they were getting games before it was released and were selling it mainly legend of Zelda tears of the kingdom. That’s the man thing as not only were they a business but also selling pirated copies of the game before released which is turbo illegal
@@awsome4518 factually incorrect lmao
@@awsome4518They did not sell pirated copies of the game. Just like they didn’t sell, or provide, they keys to make the emulator work. But it was said keys that the lawsuit was based on. The DMCA is shit and abused by every corporation. But going around encryption is illegal because of the DMCA and was the basis for their case. It was potentially a smart move to settle out of court as it didn’t set a legal precedent.
If nintendo ported their games to PC I would've stopped emulating a long time ago. Just imagine native TOTK at 60fps 1080 without having to build a 5k pc
Can someone please regulate Nintendo abusing the legal system
Replace Nintendo w/ “any large corporation”. They use the system to bankrupt the competition.
They're not abusing the legal system, the legal system is broken and designed to favour the larger company with the lawyeriest lawyers. This is all working as intended, it just sucks for the consumer.
How is it abuse, exactly?
@@Bob_Smith19 Nintendo isn't going to go bankrupt anytime soon
@@M64bros Probably not, but they've definitely shrunk into a niche company because their ego keeps them from doing the smart thing. They don't allow streaming of their games for one, I've probably bought more games due to streams in the last 10 years than all other reasons combined. There is the home country loyalty factor that will prolong their existence, but they've definitely dropped into a weak 3rd. I suspect they'll largely stay where they are until something shakes up the status quo.
How is it pirating if you own it? I can either download it online or copy it using a cart reader, what is the difference?
9:50 that's my complaint, I have a steamdeck, why would I want to play a Switch?
Just wait till you realize that Anti-circumvention laws exist and what counts as "technological measure that effectively controls access"
Section 103 (17 U.S.C Sec. 1201(a)(1)) of the DMCA
@@asdion Under section 117, says I can make a copy
This is a classic example of why section 1201(a) is so problematic and makes so much of the legal questions around this stuff so complex. DRM is being used to prevent you from doing something you legally have the right to do and it prevents people from engaging in fair use. Fair use is pretty vital to a healthy copyright system, and sadly progress on trying to fix things here has been slow. Additionally, section 1201 has had other negative, unexpected side-effects, which is why the EFF have been pushing to strike down section 1201's anti-circumvention law for years.
@@thanksyoutubefortakingmyhandle Yes you have the right to make a copy, that does not mean you are allowed to Circumvent anything.
f)1-4 is the only vaguely applying exception, and it is very limited in what it applies to.
But it would not apply to stuff like game DRM (at least based on my legal understanding)
@@asdion read how the guy before you explained it and see how silly that first phrase is.
It's like saying "ofcourse you're allowed to preserve your life, doesn't mean you're allowed to dodge a bullet coming from nintendo."
I still think this a huge move just to delete the big source of emulators of 3DS and Switch because Nintendo is about to launch Switch 2 and want it to look as good as possible. Upgraded graphics and possibly dual screen to have remade 3DS games
Emulation is basically mainstream at this point. Attacking Yuzu, and Citra now probably wouldn't make sense if the switch sequel was actually coming soon. They just pissed off a significant number of their potential buyers. Also, switch 2 will be weak at launch. It's based on the Nvidia 2050 mobile gpu. Not exactly revolutionary.
It is much much worse than 2050. 1536 vs 2048 cuda cores, much lower power limits.
@@middle_pickupCitra was collateral damage.
I have 0 faith they’ll release anything that won’t have been outdated four years ago. No matter what they do, the Switch 2 is going to look pathetic compared to the PS5 or the current Xbox and even worse compared to a current beefy computer.
@@razrv3lc Nintendo pays close attention to the BOM for upcoming systems as they are marketed towards a more budget audience. A Switch Lite can be had for $200 and still make Nintendo a profit from the sale of the handheld.
Emulators are not just for piracy. They are also meant to preserve games. There's many systems that have been dying off and are hard to find
Literally most of Nintendo’s backlog can’t be bought right now. Like the gameboy and gameboy color games they added to the 3DS EShop are gone because they shut down the EShop. There IS NO LEGAL WAY TO GET THESE GAMES. I don’t understand how Nintendo doesn’t understand they created this problem by making their backlog inaccessible.
Making money from it was stupid and asking for trouble.
Wait till you find out that almost every emulator makes money too!
Source or is it made the fuck up@@zerron2156
_laughs in open source_
muerto YUZU, larga vida a SUYU
They fight so hard to protect ip they do literaly nothing with.
Imagine how much $ theyd make if they just released their own emulator for ios+android to sell their old pokemon games at $10 a pop... and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Everyone wants to say "fuck Nintendo", but there needs to be some acknowledgment here that Yuzu brought this on themselves to an extent. There was no way they weren't going to incur Nintendo's wrath when they heavily promoted their emulator being able to emulate Tears of the Kingdom BEFORE its launch. I remember saying at the time it was happening that they were making a huge mistake.
But they weren’t.. that was ryu.. yuzu it was Locke.d it was poeple making cheats and stuff to get it to work
Exactly, and I'm glad I'm not the only one that knows that monetizing an emulator while the switch is still being sold is illegal.
@@M64bros Except it's not, look up Sony v. Bleem. Bleem was a commercial PS1 emulator sold during the tail end of the play station's lifecycle. Sony tried to sue them but failed, creating a legal president explicitly allowing for commercial (paid) emulation. TLDR: stop making stuff up, you're wrong.
@@TastelessTrees I'm not making stuff up, It's the truth.
@@M64brosPoint me to the law or ruling, then. If it’s illegal there will be one
12:49 Yeah, GT 920MX graphics was kinda poor when the Switch released, kinda like how the xbox one and PS4 sucked b@lls compared to the PC competition.
linus tech tips if nintendo get there way by killing off all emulators then they will have to kill theres off aswell as they are using emulators for their on line demand for us to play there old games
so if we can't have emulators neither can them
Nah, Nintendo would just make an exemption for themselves.
Walking isn't illegal, but walking into someone's home without permission is. It's the same for emulation. The act itself is not illegal, but once you start trampling over intellectual property and enabling piracy, that's where you're getting into trouble.
For me its more about availability. Since steam got a more widely available library that allows me to wishlist everything that i want to consider buying and can later grab on a sale if i don't feel inclined to buy it full price because i want to play it now.... I just don't feel like i need to pirate the games that i can just get there.
The only games i consider pirating are not available to buy on legitimate sites or in the case of the 3ds, complete store closure and my only option is to buy it for 5x higher then its original price on ebay/amazon, or just pirate it.
ive been on 2x speed for 3 days, and my brain is malfunctioning on normal speed. fuck did i do to myself?!
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If buying isn't ownership, piracy isn't theft.
If Nintendo allowed their games to be played on PC, I'm sure the piracy rate of nintendo games would plummet
And if they allowed people to livestream and put up lets plays their sales would significantly increase. But this is Nintendo, the special snowflake of the gaming world.
No it wouldn’t. Nintendo has no interest in pc and they sell bank with their own hardware. People who pirate now will always pirate.
Literally if they’d just SELL THEIR GAMES people would buy them. The games that people are pirating are games you legit can’t get legally anymore. They allow their games to languish as abandonware then are furious when people find a way to resurrect those games.
6:01 emulator shouldn't even be paid to begin with
Internet piracy and emulation is like a hydra without a middle head
you could say the middle head is adblockers, google tried to fight them and failed miserab;y
when i heard the stuff about the yuzu telemetry i pretty much expect them to use that for deeper reach to users. Telemetry on an emulator is crazy as hell almost smells like a plant even.
Relax Nintendo isn't going to kill emulators anytime soon, The title is pathetically clickbait.
Also, I find it a laughable embarrassment that people are defending an emulator that was monetized while the switch is still being sold and it had patches behind a paywall on patreon.
From my vision of reality and from my point of view, emulation will still be fine just the way it is!
People just need to chill out for once
To be fair it was only optional donations and not a paywall for the download.
The big companies that used to make good games are just too heavily controlled by executives and investors that good innovative ideas don't get used. They keep trying to milk the ideas that made them big and it's finally drying up.
Capitalism ruins literally everything eventually. It consumes until there’s nothing left to consume, then it fails.
-Activision: COD Ghosts 2
-EA: Crysis 4
-343i: Halo ODST 2
-Bethesda ES6
-OH and Nintendo Zelda/ Metroid parts
The solution for fixing good games is making games that people want. Not remasters. Not reimaginings. Sequels or additions are seemingly the only option for big/AAA studios.
Odst 2 would be amazing
Im gonna ask. Would you go to war for the freedom to emulate? I would.
Heck yeah keep emulation alive forever!
Apparently the message is to NOT monatize any form of emulator/rip, Activision went after the SM2 guys only AFTER they said paid cosmetics will be in the game and it sounds like Nintendo went after Yuzu because they were charging money
F-Nintendo I always tried to brush off even the stupid gameplay patents, but they just keep making themselves look worse and worse.
I used to be proud of having a switch, now I'm disappointed even to look at it.
Relax dude, emulation will still be fine just the way it is. This video is just clickbait crap
same
This will finally make Drastic not be a paid program? Sounds like a win to me. That was always sketchy as all hell.
Emulation is NOT murky! Emulation is as different form pitacy as eating is from shitting!
Except you're objectively wrong and it isn't just about piracy. There's a whole minefield around emulation because you can't use any of the IP's of whatever it is you're emulating. And then there's also room to argue that the tool you have is purposefully made to enable piracy. Even though the very act of emulating is legal, emulation in practice is murky because of that minefield.
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First: There is no minefield at all. Because anything this suggested context would fall in the same category named 'piracy' which happens to be no clearly defined legal term, but a buzzword termed by agreedy industry that tries to vilify what they think might in any way hurt their earnings, no matter the facts. And in this meaning - which they self defined - there's nothing left which could make for an addiitonal minefield.
Second part: All these related things are no fundamental issues of emulation at all. There may arise issues if someone does emulation wrong like directly stealing code or keys, but this is by far not the norm. In modern emulators where for example keys are required, the developers usually are smart enough to let people gather the needed proprietary parts themselves, while the emulator itself is an independent and 'clean' development. So: Don't generalize mistakes The Yuzu devs maybe made for being default for emulation.
Third: The idea of emulation 'enabling' piracy is not only wrong, because there always have been other ways of pirating software, but also saying it was responsible for piracy simply is a wrong converse conclusion, as there's no logical reason for emulation forecefully being the *reason* for piracy. It's as wrong as saying cars should be forbidden, because people have been using them to kill others.
You have the legal right to play a game that you legally purchased without any additional access-hardware' that can only be identified as a techical meaning to actually making playing the game possible.
This is at least reconized in the EU btw, as they found that 'buying' a game, as it does not give you anything else, like the rights to spread or sell the game in a commercial maeining, the purchase itself actually and exclusively means the 'right to play the game'!
There are plenty of reasons btw. why emulation is a great thing, and usually always much better than the ogirinal console.
Be it because of mods, because of not having to unpack your original physical medium, because of being able to play in great visual resolution,
In short:
1. There are games.
2. You buy the games.
3. You have the right to play the games.
4. There are different way of making use of the games.
5. No one can force you to buy and use a specific technology to actually being able to play the games you legally own. And in ost cases the original consoles always end up being the worst possible way for playing a game btw. after enough time.
And then ethically: of course the very important fact, that Nintendo is not shy when it comes to steal *all* legally bought games from people in big style, whch is what they did with closing the stores of all the former concoles which had a digital store. Expecially the later one is a major crime because of the extreme extent, which would make any sane corporate-person shut up when it comes to vaguely accusing others of comparatively ridiculously little 'crimes' with this idea even more just being a very vague 'idea' manfesting more a wish of said corporation than facts.
Battle chess unlocked a core memory of my childhood
Yuzu is why we can't have nice thinga
Glad I'm not the only one that knows that the emulator was monetized while its patches were behind a paywall on patreon
8:30 The only time I ever pirate a game is if I already purchased it on console and it's not reasonably priced, or if it is not available to me via other means (so emulated games).
Apart from that I don't pirate anymore due to the fact that I just don't play as many games as I used to and I have a backlog stretching all the way back to 2019 (starting with Metro Exodus). I just can't really think of a reason to do it anymore. Plus I'm just really sussed out on the chance that these games have viruses or crypto miners these days. I'm willing to bet that like half the torrents uploaded during the early pandemic days during the crypto boom have secret miners built in them...
They won't because laws don't stop crime
Emulation isn't a crime
Emulation is still going to stay on the internet as always
The main problem is if company's focus on their own emulation on older games we wouldn't have this problem to begin with.... It's obvious they don't care about game preservation at all.
It's a temporary disruption. Nintendo may have cut a head of the hydra, but thousands will be born in it's place, and they'll be angrier than ever.
What a strange thing to say. Nintendo lets you use emulators on their devices and even offers quite a few of their old games with their subscription. They're not "killing emulators". They're going after supposedly illegal distributions of their games.
Nah its because they plan on using emulation for backwards compatibility themselves, and don't want a Switch 2 with slightly better specs to be outshined by people switching to Steam Decks with emulators.
The thing is if they were after distribution they'd be tackling all those preloaded temu devices but apparently that's fine; they're targeting emulation.
I just had a crazy idea. Playing old N64, PSX, Saturn, DC, PS2, GC, etc. titles on emulators and whatnot, with all the RTX stuff from NVidia on. Would that work? Or imagine Steam version of Final Fantasy 7 with all the 7th Heaven mods + the RTX stuff going on. Remakes/remasters are no longer going to be a needed thing in a lot of cases...
Nintendos stock is still 4 dollars higher than it was 6 months ago and profits are up 17 % from dec last year.
You the buyer are really showing them you don't support anti consumeristic practices.
Can’t speak for any other country but in the UK emulation is 100% legal and the piracy part is illegal meaning so long as you legally own the games you have no issue.
I’m sure many people pirate but we should ignore them when talking about emulation because it’s two very different things and I feel many people and companies see them as the same
So long as you don’t share the games you are all good. Just don’t pirate games and let your users do it and your perfectly fine in terms of creating emulators
What I find really frustrating about this is that all ds and 3ds games are not possible to but directly from them, and they still get mad at people for downloading games they no longer make money off of. Unless you drop like 200 dollars on a 20 year old ds game to someone on eBay (which nintendo makes no money from), pirating is literally your only option.
Also Luke, Helldivers 2 is a live service game right? What happens when the servers shut down?
Then Super Earth will be Super Dead. The game has a reason to be online live service though. Just hope the devs make it playable offline and/or support custom servers at the end of its life for preservation's sake.
Luckily for me, I could never figure out how to get YUZU going even though I have a hacked switch via that other company that got sued by Nintendo, XECUTER I think it was called. I also just don't play the switch since there aren't any games for it, and I'm tired of just having NINTENDO games to play on it. Yeah there's all the indies on steam, on it, but I have a GPD Win Max 2 2022 and 2023 edition, meaning they're way more powerful than a switch, so would rather play them on steam on that more powerful handheld, since I also have the GPD Win 4 in both years as well.
When GPU's cost more than a PS5 I think they will be around for awhile, it will be Windows, Sony & Nintendo which all cover areas the others dont. Linux might hang around but is not straight forward for average consumer.
My take on the issue with Games Industry is that people are putting too much hype on old AAA companies when they are consistently failing on delivery, the indie/AA game market is releasing some great games that are showing strong numbers.
the way i see it, there should be no problem with someone making a device (call it a 3rd party game console) that plays official console games. yes you cant just rebrand a console and resell it as your own, but when you buy a DVD, your allowed to insert that DVD into whatever device you want in order to play the material, and the owners of the film are not allowed to harp on dvd players.
official game console makers shouldnt be allowed to control what devices their games work with, so long as the devices arent blatant copy paste rebrands.
Most ppl emulated because the switch Hardware is old and bad and not because they wanted to pirate
Good luck proving that in court with actual real world data.
I'm the weird one. I found enjoyment out of learning how to mod systems and dump my bios and games. It was fairly quick and easy for me to get, but I understand not everyone has that ability. But it also got me way more into computers
I don’t think the Switch hardware is the issue, but rather what developer are trying to make it do. If you can’t sustain 60FPS, then downgrade/downfeature the game until it does.
Swithc hardware is an issue, its actually so insanely weak compared to any other console out there
Battle Chess needs a VR/AR version with Stop-Motion voxel models (hire that Voxel Doom guy) to make it like that holochess-like thing from the classic Star Wars.
There's always another pirates bay
Them going on about the last game they pirated made me think of MY last one: and it was basically the entirety of Touhou Project - prior to the games starting to come to Steam. I’m slowly but surely buying the ones that do come available.
Though even all of that excepts one: 6 - The Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, because I got lucky and found a reasonably-priced physical copy and imported it.
I'm not a Yuzu user but I'll say that if Nintendo goes after the users I will NEVER buy a Nintendo product again.
The users that made the emulator monetized that emulator and had patches behind a paywall on patreon
@@M64bros I think OP means the general users of the emulator not the devs.
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 Thanks for correcting me
I've been at that point for a long time now
If enough people told Nintendo their actions on this make associating with them or buying their products to shameful to do they might eventually adjust their course.
31:28 as a s9+ user telling people that my phone is infact not recording and its just telling me that I have a new notification happens way more than you would think
35:16 "FPS Chess"
Oh you have no idea what you've just awoken to lmfao.
On the topic of Square Enix and FF14. You have to admire Square Enix's devotion to the old ways of MMORPG developing. FF14 has like no p2w and basically no micro-transactions. They maintain a subscription/expansion based monetization platform and simply give you the best game you can pay for. You give them money. They give you more game. No predatory microtransaction nonsense.
I miss old games because that’s what gaming was for me, I can’t stand the modern cycle of F2P MT games selling better than a quality AAA title. Lukes right with the life and death cycle, the problem is I don’t see anything anywhere near as good coming in to replace what we’re used to - just another generation of kids that don’t know any different.
Nintendo needs to just sell their version of yuzu with a built in eshop.
The amount of people twerking HARD for a billion dollar company in this comments section is embarrassing.
Let people enjoy things. Sorry you're poor.
??? How are people* not being allowed to enjoy something here?
I doubt Nintendo will take this any further. They'll take the win and go silent for a while. IMHO this all went down because Nintendo was mad that Zelda leaked early and was playable on yuzu and with the switch 2 coming out soon most likely using similar hardware to the switch they wanted to take down the best developers and scare others before it releases to slow down emulation development.
one thing about consoles is that it's kind of better to just have a handful of them (like 3 - 5).
it's less work for devs to port everything over, buyers don't have to do academic research to figure out which consoles have what games they care about, etc.
it's still got flaws of course (the current console market is damn near impossible to enter because of how established it is, for example) - but i do think it's a bit better overall (although i'm a lifelong PC gamer so i am kinda talking out of my ass a bit lmao).
i'd also love steam ports of all the retro games i care about - a bit collection of every Ratchet & Clank game, one for Sly Cooper, hell even Jak & Daxter, etc.
assuming they're better than emulators (or shelling out hundreds for a 20-year-old console i could buy off some guy on ebay) i'd buy those close to launch day. Would be great to have them on my PC with all the great PC features (and steam achievements).
i really don't get how these companies don't realize they're sitting on a ton of free cash for comparatively minimal effort.
*God bless, this entire video was so nostalgic. Piracy is class war. Keep circulating those tapes, brothers and sisters.📼*
So I live in Brazil and Ryujinx is Brazilian, and here it’s like the Wild West of emulation. There is almost no viable way for Nintendo to go after Ryujinx even though they also have a Patreon for their emulator. So as you guys said these things live on.
Also it’s pronounce (Re - You - Jinx)
In my humble opinion, genuinely I feel like this is like the story of Icarus. The fact that emulation blessed us with the ability to play games from our past that we weren’t able to buy from their respected originators (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, etc) yet roms started coming up for Xbox one, PS4, Nintendo Switch and even PS5 which just made me feel kind of wrong simply being able to find them. I feel like on the stage of emulation it just got to close to the sun. It was fun while it lasted, but I feel like the ramifications that come from this will put a harm to emulation for quite awhile
What does this change for pirates? Well nothing 😂
The best case for emulators is exactly what Linus said +1.
1- I want games to run a decent framerate, your switch my be great idea for the japanese market because you can play it everywhere yadda yadda yadda, but when I wanna play my game on my couch it still sucks.
2- You don't rerelease or still allow me to purchase the software AND/OR hardware for a title. So I can't obtain it through your company anyhow.
The whole reason I used citra wasn't because I wouldn't have paid for MH3U or a WiiU. Its that finding one and the game is virtually impossible without it already being second hand owned and 3x as expensive, either way it wouldnt affect Nintendo.
Personally if a company offers no method for the customer to obtain it legally and from them, their say on piracy is void because at that point frankly it doesn't matter no one is harmed anymore. Their company loses nothing from a system that has been dead, nor from a game that is dead.
Just give me Loc Lac City again PLEASE ILL PAY YOU PORT MHTri and MH3U you stingy fucks!
22:14 - I FULLY expected Linus to meme out “Do you guys NOT HAVE PHONES?”
The last big new commercial game released by Valve was Half Life Alyx in March 2020. That's 4 years ago.
Many people still prefers a console over a PC just because of the accessibility. I can see Microsoft leaning towards making their next-gen console a "mid-range PC" for the sole purpose of ease of development and make it as easy and as cheap, if not cheaper, as publishing a game on Steam. It would have stats of mid-range PC with non-exclusive hardware running on a striped down version of Windows so developers can build their own dev kit and just download the dev kit software. If Microsoft can make a console that's a "Gaming PC lite" with same day releases of games on Steam, they would be able to practically tout their game library as every game ever released on PC + all the games from previous XBox generations.
33:11 of course you haven't made chess ... you made Chess 2
Halo Infinite is a great game if you play it as a first person platformer/action adventure. Finished the whole game almost exclusively with just the grappling hook, only using left mouse as a panic button. Was incredibly fun.
regarding the "end of consoles", consoles are only popular because you don't have to "think" of whether or not your system can handle the games...they just work.
when you're a little kid, that is what you need to keep them busy. when you are a grown up, the computer is a better option...for EVERYTHING.
Nintendo always want to get rid off emulators
And now Nintendo win, other emulators are too afraid to develop emulator because of fear what will happened to them after saw what Nintendo lawyer capable off.