Why China Is so Good at Building Railways
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Small town - 3.5m, my whole country Croatia.. 3.5million...
Damn...
It's all relative, when seeing that China has some of the world's largest cities at over 20 million people; 3.5 million isn't much.
3.5 million is definitely not a small town, even in China...And if you think the other way around, some of the "small towns" might even have a bigger area than your country...
@@xiaominqian1114 My country is Mexico, so no, there isn't a city with a larger area than my country.
I know that a city with 3.5 million people isn't a small town, it would easily be the 2nd most populated city here in Mexico. But then again, when you look at the cities in China, a 3.5 million people one isn't that impressive since there's quite a lot of cities in China that have that ammount of people and more.
You have a small country but you are great at sports :)
Shanghai itself is as big as my country Australia in population.
I was in China a few weeks ago and I went from Wuhan to Shanghai with the G high-speed train (the G one it's the fastest but there K,T and Z trains as well I think). I am from Germany and pretty used to our "high-speed trains" (ICE), however traveling by train through China is insanely comfortable and pretty cheap. The distance from Wuhan to Shanghai is somewhat between 1000 and 1200km and took 4 hours. I highly recommend the trains!
yes. G means 高铁, fast train. i like German cars and zeiss camera though. (*^ω^*)
@@huajie666liu8 but you won't like going by train in Germany 😂
I am from wuhan and drive in wuhan is painfully, I have a driver license in China and USA, can I drive in Germany,I believe drive in Germany will be fun like take G train in China! I love driving but not drive with stupid drivers in China!
G and D trains are high speed,K and Z trains are normal speed
Thanks for complements, we Chinese love German Cars and Cameras, the absolute precision craftsmanship is what we need to learn from German.
it’s bizarre that the western medias would ask questions like “why does the government build a railway that is not profitable?”
Public infrastructure are not meant to be profitable
Except Urumqi-Lanshou is INSANELY unprofitable. There’s barely any demand so there’s no point in wasting taxpayers money except politics
@@pandaotu Governments does not build public infrastructures to make profits. And how come a domestic railway be ‘political’ anyway. Even if somehow it is, 140B usd is a not a bad investment to solve terrorism in Xinjiang, considering that US spent 2 trillion in Afghanistan on troops, missiles, and drones.
@@pandaotu china is heavily investing in it's western provinces today's non profitable train is tomorrow's profitable, this is how Chinese government think
@@youuummaa6450 i see what you’re saying about not caring for profit but then u had to ruin it by saying committing genocide is just them trying to stop terrorism…
I personally think, as an opinion, that america just doesnt have the demand for something such as this. a huge portion of usa is just stay at home backwoods country folk that dont feel the need to go anywhere. china has billions of people that can steadily use the rail system. population density plays a huge role in infrastructure.
One of my favorite things about Chinese high speed rail is watching the beautiful rural landscapes flash-by. The scenery is often very beautiful. I hope to go back to China next year and ride more of the trains.
Okay... Yes Yes Yes. Chinese Trains are fast as a Bullet. They are Glittery. Beautiful. Modern. Hygienic as a bloody military OR. But, I prefer the US Trains. Yup. They are creepy fun. On a Chinese train you get from point A to point B in a sneeze. Instead on a US train, they are so slow that you can see how your clothes go out of style. On a US train, you can fall in love, have children and watch them grow up. On a US train you can read Tolstoy's "War and Peace" twice. On the US train you have time to learn another language. U see? US trains are exciting. They are Noisy. Stinky. Rusty. Smoky. Full of Graffiti. With vomits of all nationalities. From Mexican enchiladas to Japanese sushi. The US train is Thrilling like a horror movie and whitout "Beautiful" rural landscapes flash. On the other hand, on a Chinese train, you get on, you sit down and Nnnnñit! You have already reached your destination. What kind of shit is that? Did you pay a ticket and for what? Where are the murders, the harassing cops, the swindlers, the Addicts, the "International Spies", the Sadists, the Psychos, the Sex Pervs, de Locos, the Mormons, the Exhibitionists...? No. No. No. I rather to risk my life on a US train, but have something to tell my grandchildren. Traveling on a US train is a High-Risk Sport. In case the train derails... Excuse me. It's not "IF". The correct word is: "WHEN Derails". Mmh... Anyway:... blah, blah, blah...
Should try Japan's bullet train instead.
You'd get to enjoy the sceneries much more peacefully,
w/o having to worry about sitting next to a bunch of loud Mando speakers
yelling at each other right next to you.
@@salvadorvizcarra769 hahahahaha,You say that you have been to China. I haven't seen any abnormal murderers or drug addicts in the street in China. However, the streets of Manhattan and Philadelphia are full of drug addicts, like zombies. Hahahaha, your imagination is really rich. It's a pity that you are just a loser who has no money, no time, and only indulges in the Internet
@@salvadorvizcarra769 Keep imagining that the streets in China are as dirty and messy as those in the United States. That's the only thing you can do to comfort yourself
@@ngananhbien lol, what US?
Read carefully, I said Japanese bullet train.
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btw, quality-wise, US trains last longer than most Chinese ones, there’s no need to trash them, and create more waste yet.
relatively small city with a population of 3.5 million
Toronto(Canada's largest city) - 3.2 million population -.-'
Auckland has 3m which is the biggest city in NZ
finestfresh no it fucking doesn’t. It’s like 1.6 mil
@@iain3713 your name concerns me in more than a few ways
Yeah China has many people
Yeah if you didn't realise that's exactly what the word relative means. It is a relatively small city in this context you bot.
China might just built another 20 miles while you were talking about this
This year, China is going to add another 2900++miles=4000 km of high speed rail.
California canceled theirs in the mean time...
Cheap workforce????... don’t have to buy the land to build on,lots of them to do it...stupid question really.
And how many people dead because of coronovirus while you,re talking about this
Lihi HonGan are you trying to blame China for coronavirus... you can’t blame a country for the appearance of disease
I am indian who lived in China for three years now I am working in Europe, from my experience I feel the trains and subways in Europe makes me feel Europe is five decades away from Chinese transportation
What about India tho 💀. Our High speed and low speed trains travel at the same speed. Although gotta give our country props for moving the most people per day on trains
@@MrWhite-ru3oz What India needs is a strong and intelligent autocratic government to forcefully promote infrastructure construction and national education, rather than a weak and deluded pseudo-democracy government,who keep telling people to drink cow urine
@@MrWhite-ru3oz 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 are you delusional? india is centuries behind both in terms of connectivity.
@@MrWhite-ru3oz yea, you'd need to move more people, because india has more people 😐
@@MrWhite-ru3oz delhi metro is goated but the rest of the trains are not even c9mparable
Having a rail to rural areas helps the rural area develop faster than an airport. Having a rail system in rural areas, you can easily export regional goods/minerals and import construction materials/ tools to those areas. To do it by plane it is really expensive long term. So sure building a rural rail line might not be profitable passenger wise, but long term it is easier to develop the country.
Plus, rural train stations are fairly cheap to build and operate compared to an airport. So once a rail line is build from A to B through rural areas, if a ton or collection of villages along the route grows enought, you can always decide to add a new station there for cheap and in fairly short time for infrastructure.
I guess that depends on what you mean by "develop", I am a native Californian. My blue-collar ancestry lived semi-rural lives in quiet neighborhoods and small acreage. Today, most central Californians see high-speed rail as a political boondoggle to infill the Central Valley with blue coastal and Sacramento city immigrants. I smell in your comment a hint of this mindset. I get it. Your lives are rife with overcrowding and pollution,(which blows our way). You are urbanites. I recently visited SF, an urban jewel which locks its park bathrooms, forcing its homeless citizens to go pee and poo...well, outdoors. Most of us over here hope your lifestyle stays over there. Meanwhile, high speed rail plods along In political denial. I doubt I will live long enough to ride it, but even if, I will lament the conversion of farms to crowded developments for the politically blue and their ways. Oh, if you really like what you see in China....move there.
@@raymae60 you talk like China would just about welcome any "I Love China" fan to live there. I too smell a hint of lament California would EVER complete her High Speed Rail.
For the IQ-challenged American; your paid-by-oil Senator or Congressman would throw California's HS train under the wheels of a bus at the twitch of their masters in Huston.
I wont hold my breadth for California's High Speed Train to come to life.
Traveled to Xinjiang last month on train. The 1,100 mile high speed rail portion between Lanzhou and Urumqi are mostly ballastless tracks built through the red, empty, searing Gobi desert. The engineering was dazzling to watch.
中国基建确实牛逼
@@CaiZhongwen2023 那必须的
@@CaiZhongwen2023 抛开意识形态，基建速度没几个国家比得过
I've experienced the Chinese rail system first hand and the convenience is like nothing anyone in the US could comprehend. Imagine needing to travel between Columbus Ohio and Chicago at a moment's notice and being able to go to a high speed rail station where there are trains coming to and from Chicago every 15 minutes. What is close to a 6-hour drive without traffic will take you under 2 hours one way and the round trip will be under $30. Now imagine that same convenience exists between nearly every major city in the US and imagine this entire network was built in UNDER A DECADE. That's China. In the US, traveling between two big cities can be a real hassle -- especially ones that are too close for a flight to be economically viable but too far away to consider driving -- not to mention your loss of productivity during the drive. In China, there's really very little thought into it. If you have to go from the equivalent of Columbus Ohio to Chicago, you just go. Is it the most luxurious experience? No but it's more comfortable than flying and seeing the ground flash by at 200+ MPH is something else. You can't perceive that speed in a plane but you sure do on the ground.
Well said. When we come to North America, it feels like a major downgrade to the infrastructure we had in China, not just the railway, but also the highway system, public transit, cell phone signal coverage, etc. However, many Americans find it very hard to believe. They thought they had the best in the world.
Yeah except basically no one in the US regularly travels between big cities... You just buy a house 10 minutes drive from your work. Why in the name of heaven would I get a job an hour away by high speed rail? It's vastly more efficient to live close to your work.
@@cameronhoward99 you're being incredibly shortsighted, and is exactly what Evan is talking about when he says "nothing anyone in the US could comprehend." The reason why people buy a house 10 min away from work is because there is no convenient method of transportation for a daily commute other than the car. Better transportation opens up immense opportunities for everyone. Suppose I did buy a house 10min away from work, am I forever limited to companies that are 10 min away or do I have to buy a new house every time I change jobs? Better transportation makes this all easier. My spouse and I can work in different cities and still live at the same address. I can be a photographer, and all of the sudden I can take on photo shoots hundreds of miles away in an easy day trip, giving me a much larger customer base. Would it be better if everyone lived close to work? Absolutely, but in reality, many people have many good reasons not to (cost, for example). The examples are endless.
@@mmdday No, they buy a house 10 minutes from work because it's more convenient than bus, plane, or train. And yes, if you get a job far away, it's better for everyone if you move. The amount of energy it takes to commute 200 miles away to go to work is wasteful. Just live close and bike to work. Or drive an economical vehicle. Still more efficient than any other method.
Also, air travel is just superior to rail in every conceivable way (cheaper and faster) and will continue to get better in the future with supersonic air travel making a comeback. The new supersonic commercial jets they're making now will finally be able to make domestic routes over land because they're much quieter than older planes like the Concord.
Lastly those Chinese trains weren't making any money, thus they don't deserve to exist. It's government subsidies that get it by. And even with government subsidies, Chinese rail is still more expensive then non-subsidized Western air travel. It's really a terrible idea to sink that money into an antiquated technology like rail.
@@cameronhoward99 First of all, why you compare Chinese train to the west airlines? Aren't you suppose to compare Chinese trains to Chinese airlines? So... In China, the train tickets are usually much cheaper than flights. Also, they never gets delayed, can you say the same for flights? There are also smaller stations in between big cities, which is convenient for people who wants to travel to the smaller cities beside with a much cheaper rate. Here in Canada, trains are slow, the tickets are expensive, travel from a small city beside Toronto to dt Toronto cost more than $150 and takes 4 hours. Let's say if you don't have a car and you want to go to Toronto, taxi or train are the only two options but both expensive, and flights are not available due to short distance. However in China, this is not a problem, a short distance train ride only cost approximately $20 and it's faster than taxi or the slower train here. I can go on and on with real examples. Plus, out of curiosity, how do you know they are not making any money? Could you give me some official/reliable resources/links can indicate that?
My son and his wife both worked at the U.S. Embassy in Guangzhou for a few years and they took trains everywhere they wanted or needed to go.
那是领事馆，不是大使馆！大使馆在北京❤
@@Jsy577Are you from Beijing?
No.
@@Rick2k25兄弟要来中国玩吗？欢迎你的到来！
They had the foresight to realise that tiny tin cans filling up roads will cause a major problem. I have been on the high speed train network and the maglev train. Hurtling along at 350km/hour is amazing. State expenditure on developing is the way to go. It's a massive project and benefits China.
The western ignore one thing, train is a public service in China to some degree, we can not always consider of making money in every thing
Train is a public service in the west as well.
@@fcfhkmelb no not in the same way. Public transport loses money alot of the time in China but the government supplements them
@@fcfhkmelb but, most owned by private companies, that is why you can see America railroad infrastructure was built more than a half century ago and not updated. it is slow, noisy, uncomfortable and not safe.
DAVID Z because most US citizen can afford air tickey fly over the countries in cheaper price and faster time than railway
socialism tho technically the rail network is profitable too as it brings in tourism to regional centres and are very popular for transport so it's actually capitalism lol
4:36 “small cities”
“3,5 Million People”
"Small cities by China standards"
3.5 million city wouldn't even make into the top 30 list in China.
Surface Yes, it's really a small city for China
@@vincentdesun Well it is not even in the top 100.
Actually to be exact it is ranked the 146th largest city in China, by population.
our normal, just get used to it lol
Last week, I took Amtrak from Washington to Roanoke and it took about 4.5 hrs despite the cities only being ~230 miles apart. 9 hours from DC to Dallas is incredible to me
And how much you paln for the fly
In China the highspeed network has been connecting almost every tier 4 cities in China and connect every Chinese together, the highspeed train network has reduce greatly the logistics cost, even a farmer in the remote rurual areas can sell his/her farming output online via 5G network and smart phone and finish delivery in 3 days at most throught cheap express companies( even the distance is up to 5,000 kms sometimes from remote Xingjiang Uygure area in the west to Shanghai in the east). Obiviously the benifets of a highspeed train can not be judged by the railway companies's profits, it should be judged by whether it bring significant changes to the remote rurual areas and improve most of citizens 's life standard.
My girlfriend lives in Shanghai and I’m from Beijing, without high speed train we will break up. Now we married 😂
Good to know I’m from Beijing too man. But just let you know you are married not because the train system but the relationship between you two.
Happy Days :-)
sweet story man. Congrats!
Cool story.
I’m sorry
Rumour has it that by the 23rd century, the US will have trains that will reach speeds of up to 160 kph.
Nilguiri +metric system
@mondayfool The trains is what gives them an economy, people can travel into the big cities to work, trains would be the last thing to go.
Mondayfool, stop talking nonsense.
The *Lanzhou ~ Urumqi* line is unprofitable financially, but _profitable politically._
Other lines, such as the *Guangzhou ~ Shenzhen ~ Hong Kong* line work at a substantial profit. HK$671 million yearly income vs HK$472 million yearly operating costs.
As for communing: the factor to consider is time, not distance.
Driving a car from home to your work's parking lot is really no different then taking a taxi to your work's parking lot.
If you want to judge by distance, then consider the _benefits_ of a long commute. You get to work in the really expensive down town while living in the much cheaper suburbs. For HSR you even get the option of living in the next town over! But again, it is about the *_time_* needed to commute those distances, not the distance itself.
We really don’t care we say just get your own car why do you think it’s so easy to get a drivers license here (compared to other countries)
@@shanerooney7288 You are absolutely right if you view railway as a single investment and ignores its long term benefits. Except in China we use aggregate approach. We plan for the future, in every aspect, including dynamics - how development of one aspect influence others. If we tunnel vision to just railway itself, your conclusion is holy grail and we cannot possibly reject that; except we just don't view this problem from same perspective.
One thing to make clear, there is no "other's money" or "other's has to pay for it". Its all our money, and we pay for it. We paid for it not for profit (profit is just a bonus) but to invest in future and introduce more options into our life.
(one simple example, live in small county, take 1 hour HSR to Shanghai for work then return home via HSR as well; avoiding expensive house price and most of the traffic congestion; and this is just one tiny tinny part of benefits that HSR has brought)
I would like to add that the line to Urumqi does pass through quite a few strategically important cities, namely Wuwei, Zhangye, Jiuquan, Hami, and Turpan starting from Lanzhou (and remember, pretty much ANY Chinese city of second-level administrative division is populous by most other countries’ standards). Furthermore, since the line passes through mostly rural areas in difficult terrain, trains don’t run nearly as fast, but operate more like an intercity service, which reduces ticket prices even further and allows even more people, many of whom are of lower socioeconomic statuses, to travel as necessary in a reasonable amount of time.
Love China from India.❤
Thank you 🥰
跪舔
There is a proverb in China："To get rich, build roads first"
But said, it is but rails.
@@fladave99 Are you really living in 21th century?
@@lovellacanen5354 haha
@@fladave99 u stupid
@@fladave99 I have never seen a slave in China, and I have live there for 16 years
In ancient Chinese history, governments already knew that you want to build your economy, you build the road first. Low cost public transport helps to increase people movement and then business follows.
Traveling 1200 km in just 4 hours is like sci fi future kind of thing , It amazes me 😳
As a Canadian who lives in a city where city bus fair is $3 it's unbelievable a plane ticket from two major European cities could cost $12.
Canadian also has some of the highest (if not the highest) costs of flights too so it's even more crazy to me.
I have been to China recently and their high speed train system is truely impressive, Beijing to wuhan 1200Km and only 4 hours from train
It takes only 2 hours to travel by airplane from Beijing to Wuhan. You can even hop a plane to travel across Atlantic for about 4 hours! However, it's impossible for any high speed train to travel across Atlantic. To describe an impossible thing to do, a popular joke said, I would board a high speed train traveling across the ocean from Beijing to New York! Even the fastest high speed train technology in the world is still inferior to the airplane technology Americans had. This explained why the US unlike China, won't waste billions of dollars on inferior technologies like high speed train system. However, to solve the traffic bottleneck problem of some big cities like Los Angeles and New York, Americans focus on developing underground Hyperloop transportation, which is much better than high speed train system.
@@conambenvanon5664 Mainly because of the lobbyists of huge car manufacturers and gas companies push both parties and convince American people that USA USA USA runs on wheels.
Rick W. I personally think it's more to do with the technology than with the lobbyists. Who needs the most modern high speed rail that takes up to 20 hours to travel from NY to LA or from coast to coast of America, while traveling by airplane takes only 4 hours for the same distance! Who needs the most modern high speed rail that cannot even travel across the Atlantic Ocean, while it takes only 7 hours by airplane to cross the ocean! American airplane technology is still superior to the fastest high speed rail in the world. Why would Americans waste billions of dollars on such inferior technology like high speed rail? Not a chance!
MarkuSATTO taking 2 hours from Beijing to wuhan is right. But it also take time to airport and security check. The total time is almost same. But plane have to face potential delay too. Also on the high speed railway everybody has enough space to sit and walk around. But airplane cannot or you have to pay more money. High speed railways ticket price is 1/2 - 2/3 compared with airplane ticket price. Train station can build in downtown. But airport cannot. The reason why China choose high speed railway is China has way more much population than USA. And China is lack of oil. So it’s impossible to let Chines government transport 2 billion people by using airplane and import that much oil from outside world. But China has enough coal. So China has ability to generate enough electricity. Based on what I know in China. People would prefer high speed rail way under 800km. Then it’s airplane .
Joseph Wang Personally, I think waiting to board a high speed train or airplane is part of the process like any other transportation. Similarly, bad weathers affect all kind of transportations including high speed trains and airplanes. You're right. High speed trains are totally appropriate for China's population, while airplanes are quite practical for Americans. Your experience in China is truly totally different from mine in the US. About 90% of the US population owned at least one car, so travelling short distances from town to town is no problem for Americans. For long distances, airports are everywhere in the US. traveling by airplane is affordable, convenient and comfortable. I can hop a plane to New York from San Francisco or from coast to coast for just 5 hours. I can even hop a plane to Paris from New York while crossing Atlantic Ocean for about 6 hours! What I meant is that even the fastest high speed rail in the world cannot do what an airplane can.
I've been visiting France for a few months and I love having the option of trains... But now I want to go to china and check those out.
👍
Welcome to China!
it's too expensive in europe
I have been on the Chinese high speed trains (中国高铁) many times since 2010 as I lived there for 15 years. Awesome experience and a great way to travel, especially the BJ-SH route.
Oh man, they don't even compare. I've been in both, and the french one is just very expensive, and not as fast, nor as comfortable. The biggest difference is train stations: Chinese train stations are MASSIVE. Although, since some of those trains pass through smaller cities, you may encounter people with, let's say, less social etiquette. French stations are located in more convenient places though.
From what I understand, the HSR from places like Lanzhou to Urumqui are just as much for the rural villagers in between the cities, for day workers or for farmers selling products in commercial areas. HSR connecting rural areas in the US to commerce cities would definitely alleviate some of the labor shortages caused by housing gentrification that we're seeing here.
considering they’re planning to double the massive network they already have id say the long distance routes that don’t make a lot are going to eventually become profitable
High speed train is not about only long routes, it is also beneficial for smaller routes as well. For example, I had a conference in He Chuan (合川）, which is 138 km from Chongqing（重庆）. I took the train from Chongqing, the ticket price was around 4 dollars and I reached to Hechuan in 28 minutes, cheaper, comfortable and convenient. It is one of the best mode of transportation , not only for longer routes but for shorter routes as well.
Problem is two fold. Can they keep up on it and with their debt overblowing especially for their rail lines (nearing a trillion I guess) it remains to be seen. Yet they have the population density to really make it work.
@@dianapennepacker6854 definitely yes if their are no pandemic, after all the debt loaned are just from left hand to right hand (both state owned) additionally, if it weren’t the investment spent in expanding the network, (before pandemic) they have a PROFIT (not revenue) of about 100 billion RMB annually.
It is worth to spend this huge sum of money for high speed rail, rather than speed trillions of dollars in war!!
@@dianapennepacker6854 how far can the US continue to fund the military complex without chasing profits? Similarly other countries can fund public infrastructure without chasing profits.
@@daniel11111 You're talking about two different things.
Military spending definitely has a lot of benefits. Creates high paying jobs, security, protects global US and *allied* interests, and more importantly a lot of the technology gets kick backed into modern life.
In a perfect world we would do both but for whatever reason the US is garbage at large scale infrastructure projects especially when it starts crossing state lines. I blame politics personally.
Our government has some serious flaws. It is slow to move and we can't just bulldoze houses and kick people out to create them either.
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legit laughed out loud at this, you made my day and have a great mind
@@Mr Purple He travelled back to October so he can nut without failing NNN.
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2:00 "Poorest country in the world to have any high speed rail."
That aged like milk REALLY QUICKLY. 2 days after the uploading of the video, Morocco opened its high speed rail line.
Edit: I forgot that Uzbekistan had bullet trains too, 2011 opened.
My boy Morocco packing doe
He refers to gdp. China is extremely rich but have very low gdp. Morroco and Uzbekistan are poorer but due to the smaller populations the gdp gets lifted
@@squiglemcsquigle8414 in terms of GDP per capita PPP, China is $18000, Morocco is $3,200, Uzbekistan is $1,724. So China is richer either way
@@hamanakohamaneko7028 hmmm fair enough. Didnt know that tbh. Shouldve looked it up. He probably means a highspeed rail network. Or he just made a mistake. Either way comparatively to other nations with high investment in high speed rail china has a low gdp per capita
@@squiglemcsquigle8414 True. But I wonder how much is considered a network. China definitely has a large network, Morocco has only one line, while Uzbekistan has a line branching off from the mainline. You could technically call it a really small network.
They are very, very smart people.They also produce the most computers, cars, & many electronic devices in the world
I am from China, and I highly recommend CRH(Chinese railway high speed). The speed is fast, comfortable seats, nice view of the countryside. The first-class and business class have tv's
Ricky (Ruiqi) Li (STG) I have, absolutely stunning train. Went from Beijing to Shanghai, and hit avg speeds of 350km
@@williamdavis9471 cheers!
Vpn?
@@mishakedr476 yep dude, I use vpn. Actually I have school at Hong Kong
TV? WA!! Wo bu zhidao le!!
I live in Shenzhen. We are above in Hong Kong. If I took the bus then metro into Hong Kong, it would take 2 hours. Now with the high speed rail connecting the major cities of Guangzhou, Shenzhen, and HK, the trip takes 17 minutes. A train ride from Beijing to Shenzhen takes about 12 hours or less. AND IT IS CHEAP
how cheap?
@@rajaoctober14 only about like $15 for second class and $25 for first class. I've timed it and it only takes 12 minutes to Futian station (near the HK-shenzhen border)
I live in Hong Kong. I would say that the new high speed train form Hong Kong to Beijing is not that decidable. The train leaves HK everyday 8am, takes 9 hours to get to Beijing, cost about 1000HKD (2000HKD round trip). But if you go by plane, round trip normally costs around 1700HKD (1300HKD is the cheapest I have seen). Plane takes around 3.5hr. And if you fly to Beijing before noon, the chance of getting delayed is a lot smaller. So leaving at the same time in the morning, yet I can get to Beijing faster and cheaper by plane, then why not just fly. I would recommend the train leaves Hong Kong in the afternoon, so it would arrive at Beijing at night. That would be more competitive and decidable since it truly help to avoid being delayed.
A little fun experience, once I had a 6pm flight from Beijing to HK, and it was delayed to 12:30 am. It was 3:30am when I arrived at Hong Kong. One suggestion to all of you flying from/to Beijing, remember to fly in the morning.
@@rajaoctober14 About $30 from Guangzhou to Hong Kong, $10 from Shenzhen to HK. Beijing to Shenzhen $150~ (The distance is like from US east coast to the Rockies)
It is more political than economical
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China seems to be the only nation capable of thinking long-term. Yeah, trains are not immediately profitable, but clearly whatever it is they're doing is working.
Selling cars makes boatloads of money short-term, but in the long-term you're going to run into serious problems, as is becoming apparent.
you can't think too long term if the elections are a couple of years.......
@@doctortuanwhy would the majority vote against the party that improved the standard of living for millions?
@@ivanam.1613 because that same party is controlling how they think and have no freedoms to speak up against that said party
Not to mention, taking a look at the specific history of that Fordist industrial mode of production and its corresponding infrastructural development reveals a much more rigidly cultivated class divide culturally reinforced into a pretty thorough additional layer of cattle-slavery justifying racism, not a coincidence Ford himself was a literal nazi (offering massive financial support for the nazi party, proudly propagandizing his politics directly through his factory's freely available literature "The International Jew"), _the traditions of all dead generations weighing like a nightmare of the brains of the living_ indeed...
I mean my god, considering it even more broadly in our entirely unclear but no doubt wholly inadequate "green" transition vision of the future...from car -> _electric_ car (ie putting freaking charging stations for Teslas in random gas stations nationwide...cool...) , now consider the historical reality that we already _had_ these freaking electric cars, as in like fully produced and everything, in the late 19th century, such things of course lobbied/influenced out of existence ie regulatory capture by oil monopolies and car manufacturers wielding their unrestricted "divine right". Robert Moses alone personally responsible for a lot of that through explicit policy making the short range of such electric vehicles implicitly impractical via zoning/highways/etc, spurring things like suburb construction premised implicitly by the desire for racial segregation of populations, shocker, additionally constantly lobbying for austerity/privatization policies to mount a proper counterattack to any current/future New Deal-esque public infrastructure that may arise, as limited as that was with occasional bus routes/subways if lucky (more granular details of Moses' policy/motivations/life contained in The Power Broker by Robert Caro).
I think LBJ once explained the functionality from the conscious (key word) ruling class perspective pretty explicitly, ye olde divide and conquer,:
_“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”_
These must be those conveniently vague "western values" I keep hearing about...I mean surely such exceptional "moral clarity/conviction" constantly appealed to justify anything/everything wasn't just...performative platitudes and usefully ambiguous cultural shibboleths the whole time?! lol...
@@dominusnoobus1589typical westerner
In the US we have this obsession with extracting a profit from every facet of society. A high speed rail line will never be built in the US until we realize that some things have a societal benefit even if they don't pull in revenue. After all, we realized this in the '50s and '60s when we built the interstate highway system - a socialized road network operated at a loss that provides enormous benefit to society (but was also a handout to oil and auto companies).
Corporate rampant capitalism is literally ruining the country for their own profit :/
but the interstate highways support all of those trucks shipping goods back and forth. That made a profit. Each dollar spent on the highways returned 6, according to a video from this channel i think.
@@ovencake523 This video is older than the video you are referring to. ruclips.net/video/SR7BA3xEmDo/видео.html
Granted, USA's low density makes it difficult for high-speed rail to work on a national level. So, how about on areas where it will work, such as Northeast Corridor?
@@feather563 These trains will LOWER the co2 emissions by the countries cars that are now causing more fires and droughts.
@@dbclass4075 no true. Japan started high speed trains in the 1960s. Initially its construction cost was high, but it also became very popullar. Second build the infrastructure around the train stations.
an old saying in China
“you want to be rich?，build the road first”
想致富，先修路
In the near future people will be flying in drones to travel not by roads ,so dont build too many very costly roads
@@navnit3978 the only safe way to transport people in the air with "drones" is to use helicopters. Yea not cheap or for the average Joe.
Probably a Wall Street Stock Bot who got lost on yt.
要致富，先修路。
@@navnit3978 I think you missed the point.
High quality production. Interesting and I confess the narrator has a wonderful voice God bless.
China's political of will for high-speed trains does not match Wendover's political will for commercial airliners
Lol the final and only truth
Wendover should open an airline
legit laughed out loud you have a great mind and a talent for this and made my day
Do u pay more or less?
Capitalism *intensifies*
I came from Jingmen, a small city in middle China. I've lived in the United States for almost 10 years. Traveling back to my hometown was a nightmare before my hometown was connected to the high-speed train system. I took a 17-hour flight from Chicago to Beijing, then a 1.5-hour transfer from Beijing International Airport to the train station, then a 5-hour bullet train to the provincial capital Wuhan, then a 3-hour SLOW train or BUS through high-way to my hometown. I lose 5 pounds for each travel. After my hometown connected to the system, I can take a 5.5 -hours bullet train from Beijing to my hometown directly after arriving at Beijing train station. This saves me lots of efforts.
I heard that the new Beijing airport under construction is supposed to directly connect to the bullet train station. That means I can take the bullet train right after my flight. Also, I heard they are going to release a special bullet train with beds so people like me can rest after the long flight. I can't wait for that day to come!
2014, I started with the joke "The 3rd Beijing airport will be finished before BER - new Berlin airport" The construction of BER started 2006. The opening should have been 2012.
Now it seems my joke comes true: 3rd Beijing airport will be opened autumn 2019, while the opening of BER is uncertain even for 2020.
荆门老乡？好感动，我是沙洋的，想不到在这里可以见到老乡 想哭，期盼你的回复
The new Beijing airport will be served by China Eastern and China Southern, neither of which fly Beijing-Chicago route. You'll have to really seek out a route that goes to the new Beijing airport. Hainan, which currently serves Beijing-Chicago, will stay at Capital. Maybe AA will start up their Beijing route again when the new airport opens though.
@@pegefounder Well, still the 2nd airport to some extent. Because the small Nanyuan airport will close keeping the total at two. So BER will still open before Beijing have the 3rd airport.
Not maybe but has been 100% sure to open fights between new Beijing airport and US. And code share with China Southern Airlines for transferring domestic flights in China.
The role of high speed network contribution to China's development cannot be overstated, the high speed rail means economic progress is not congested and can easily overflow to other cities even if those cities are under developed and that's the same plan to link with other Asian countries. America was building understood the importance of railroads earlier on and then completely abandoned its infrastructure which is quite sad.
The comment section is kind of missing the point. Yes public infra does not need to be "profitable". But, the funding has to come from SOMEWHERE. Chinese government taking lots of debt to build and to maintain the infra.
The idea of public infra is that, in the future the infrastructure would (ideally) generate an economic activity in the area which then the government can tax. This tax income then is channeled into paying the debt (+ interest) and the cost to maintain the infra.
So yes, the government, in a way, expect to have "profit", although not directly from the use of the train.
Chinese government focus on building infra is great, but one may have to ponder whether this is a wise investment given that the demands for lots of the high speed rail is very low. This might mean the promised economic activity that is expected to be able to sustain the debt might not be there.
high speed rail in China is in extreme high demand.
Wendover like planes and trains. I like them too.
but how does he feel about automobiles?
@@RockSmithStudio he love Toyota's
Yeah, he like talking about transportation 😁
I kinda hope he does something about military stuff like air force, navy and army and other related things...
Same
those two „small“ China cities have about the same number of residents as some European countries (Austria/Switzerland both about 8 million)
Probably also one of the reasons why it makes more sense there... more customers^^
Still it won't make sense coz not everyone can afford the tickets particularly without being subsidised. Even though they have higher population , their middle class is reasonably less.
@@rajaoctober14 Train lines are built for the next 50 - 100 years of course. The network as a whole is profitable.
Schweiz 8,7 Mln
Österreich 9,1 Mln
Lanzhou = Ürümqi 3,5 Mln
China is just so gigantic
raja believe it or not
0.3billion midclass for now and will double in 10 years.check it
Here in Brazil, even if the distance between the destinies are small, the time you spend to check in, waiting on the airport, renting a car or waiting for Uber, boarding and disembarking the plane it's like 4 hours total.
Here in Belgium i took a "direct line" train from Ghent to Genk which distance is approx. 150 kms, it took 3,5 hours to get there...
If you try to build a train in USA you'll get about 1 lawsuit for every track section you lay.
and you will lose $$billions as even the largest commuter rail AMTRAK continually loses money. People in NY metro area still choose driving in horrendous traffic over taking train.
@@BrogeKilrain I think it's because public transportation seems to work better where persons can use inexpensive public transportation from "front door" to destination. Philippines does this with their trike, jeepney and buses for example.
J.R. Regenold I’m in philippines all the time 😆 yes it works if traffic is moving and you don’t mind sweating your tail off . Love the place
@@BrogeKilrain That's great, I was there 6 years ... have moved on. Am in Saigon now. Just started a RUclips channel "The Texpat in Saigon" a few months ago mostly as a newsletter to my USA friends.
Here you have to have personal transportation. I have a scooter. Trains here are abysmal, but domestic air travel is getting reasonable.
J.R. Regenold been there only once. Crossing road was an experience 😃 been importer 25 years . Mostly Thailand .
Indian railways on the other hand....
Labels 60kmph trains as 'superfast'
Yes it's a joke but "express" can be used on services on conventional speed lines.
I know man Indian railways sucks and there cleanliness is so bad.
Well, the high speed rail mentioned costs 80 usd (4200 RS), runs at monumental losses, on land that is not always acquired with owners willing. Imagine the turmoil that'd create. I prefer pragmatic progress as opposed to show off progress.
Rishabh I feel it's more about the people who travel on the trains
To be fair the Geography of Indian doesn't help. It's hard to built high speed tracks when you have to cross mountains like there are in the middle of India.
One side of my family lives in Guangzhou, whilst the other lives in Beijing. Having tried taking high speed rail and flying between both cities, I can say with confidence that high speed rail is the cheaper, more comfortable and more convenient mode of transport, despite taking 4 hours longer than flying. Unlike planes, Chinese high speed rail is a turn up and go service, that meshes with the extensive public transport in Guangzhou and Beijing. A 2000 km trip on one fast train.
3:37: I instantly stared because apparently a flight from Paris to Barcelona is cheaper than a flash game called The Henry Stickmin Collection..... Which is $15..
I fly to China for work often. Last time I went I landed in HK, took MTR to West Kowloon station straight from the airport. Then took the high speed train to Humen and subway to Dongguan. What a great and convenient experience, better than anything we have in the US. Trains are all very clean, stations are super safe (like pretty much everywhere in China and HK) and quite fast, I think we were cruising at about 270km/h. Fares are decently cheap and easy to book online. Trains are always on time in my experience.
First time is a little daunting but the workers are very helpful. Quite a few of them know enough English and will point you on the right direction.
I agree, everyone in China's train stations are helpful! It's the best way to travel in China.
it's expensive considering you can take normal rail with 1/10 price, but compare to france's and japan's high speed railways it's way much cheaper (50 percent of the usual fare)
@@gold9994 yeah I've taken the normal one as well. For me it's totally worth the higher price. After 14hour flight I just want to be at the hotel resting haha.
@@2WheelsGood.01 the normal has some cleanliness issue
You cruelly have an agenda against China!! China arguably has the number one economy in the world besides the US.. so how is it a very poor country as you mentioned!?
I Personal traveled to China many many times.. they have the most efficient transportation in the world in my opinion" weather is it flying riding the subway, high speed trains, or by efficient Electric buses made by chinese company b y d" which is a signature trademark all over the world, matter fact they built the new trains subway system in the Capitol DC!!??
Awesome service. I took a high speed train from Harbin to Jinan. 1800 km and it did it in 7 hours on a train that runs hourly. It was -25º C when we left and -8º C at the destination. It only stopped 6 times during that journey. It has wider more comfortable seats than any airline I have ever flown on.
You have to reconcile the knowledge that if there is a derailment, that about twelve railway carriages travelling at 320kph are going to go up your arse in about 3 seconds, but try not to think about that...
Sydney to Melbourne is about 800km and Lanzhou to Urumqi is about 1,900 km. They both take 11 hours on train 🤯🤯🤯
American here.
The High Speed rail does have another benefit. Outside of profit. IF it’s in Schengen Europe, China, or India.
For example, the Paris to Barcelona route has several cities in between that have at least 100,000 people (eg. Dijon, Lyon, Montpellier). Maybe it’s more practical to just take the plane between Paris & Barcelona. But it’s much more practical to take the train from say, Lyon to Montpelier. The point is, the HSR is beneficial for all the people living in between the destinations.
BUT…
That’s not usually the case in the United States. Between the Los Angeles metropolitan area and Las Vegas, there’s only one city that has 100,000 people in between. Victorville. And the distance between Victorville and Las Vegas is MASSIVE (same as Paris to Dijon, so imagine that distance with absolute nothingness). So much so, that whatever social benefits may come from having a HSR serving a very popular route just isn’t worth it compared to the amount it would cost to cover the construction of such a distance. Almost everyone who takes this ride would just get on at LA, and get off at Las Vegas. Barely anyone in between.
I wouldn’t call our attitude towards it as money-hungry. Just efficient.
No i don't think America has done anything wrong. You see America is extremely privellege country which has lots of empty land compared to population size. That's why Americans can afford to have more cars over public transport. Other countries don't have that luxury because most countries are smaller.
Because they build them instead of talking or thinking about building them.
Are u taunting Indian PM ?Dont u dare
Australian, are you? I am, and I know what you mean. VFT schemes have been trotted out prior to elections for at least 25 years here. It'll be Hyperloops next.
Greebo. Still waiting for progress to be made on a California high speed train project on the shelf for financing.
+Ray Whittington
Nothing to do with that...Airline lobbyist will kill any bill/progress that leads to bullet trains in the U.S. Lobbyist in California are still trying to kill the LA to SF speed train.
@@LuckyDuckie115 Airline lobbiests aren't really needed when the cost of the rail line is equal to about 900,000,000 tickets to SF from LA. Face it CA is just great at shoveling cash into the fire.
You forgot to mention that the high speed railway has much lower carbon footprint comparing with plane and cars. It is a more eco friendly way of travel.
Not to mention the much lower rate of accidental death that auto and work traffic have.
Offset for all the pollution made by all China's factory!
9:33 (although using the California line study, it is making the argument)
Well technically you have to consider where the electricity for the trains comes from. Not sure it's that eco-friendly.
@@stochastic_rate more efficient than cars or planes
In our country, long-distance high-speed rail is more expensive than airplanes. However, considering the reluctance of many elderly people to fly and the fact that only major cities have airports, high-speed rail becomes an excellent way of transportation.
A three-year-old video was suddenly in my feed, I wondered why until I see the Urumqi and Lanzhou train part. What I want to weigh in is that there must have been some political concerns, but it still mainly was just for the development of some rural areas. Build the road and they will come is still pretty applicable in many regions in China nad most of them worked.
社会主义共同富裕的概念，他们很难理解的。。
When i was a kid it took me 4 hours to get to the city where my parents used to lived..now it only takes half an hour on a high speed train in way cheaper price.....i am so proud of my country
and far more comfortable too. sleek trains. i was most impressed.
yes you can be proud of, as long I as European I see not any reason to be proud of my government and political bandits, the Gods of Robbery !
I'd love to live in China. Sometimes I wish I was Chinese :(
@@NeutralGenericUser Oh you won't.
林鼎鈞 hmmm, you made decision for others? Who are you lol
As a Chinese, I have to say that I'm truly impressed with the accuracy and comprehensiveness of your research. That's not normal on RUclips.
中国人你们好 haha
I have a question about Chinese culture. I don't want to insult anyone! Is it usual for Chinese to do something for a better cause? Is there a motivation to bring sacrifice for others without getting something for it?
@0000000 0000000 As a Chinese, I think it's safe to say yes, especially when it comes to your country or community.Those who are willing to sacrifice for a greater good will always be seen as heroes and be praised for generations. Collectivism is deeply rooted in Chinese culture and philosophy since the beginning of history, whereas in the west, individualism seems to be relatively more appreciated. And also, Chinese people value family, sometimes even too much, that you're usually supposed to and expected to sacrifice for your family members.
impressed by ……
Not normal haha
Not every big project in China is made for profit, some are purely for making a better society.
This concept is so foreign to the Western mind that they are immediately suspicious lol.
why do only i acknowledge this guy‘s effort he puts in the right pronounciation of chinese city names?
lol
Except that Xinjiang should be pronounced "Shinjung"......
@@becsterbrisbane6275 not a 'sh' sound, more of a 's' sound. X makes a 'sharper' s sound than an s. Eg. Xi would be pronounced as 'S-EE' and Si would be pronounced like a 'S-I', a soft 'i' sound thing
My mom's family is actually from Hengyang. That station 45 mins away from the city center is not only serving that city but also many towns around it. In many cases, a couple of cities share one station (but it might be named after the biggest one).
Plus the North of Hengyang is a Holy Mountain in Buddhism so... A lot of tourists and pilgrimage to that city.
@@sherriecao3491 衡阳老表
Did you know that the dutch program zondag met lubach on national tv used your video on how to solve traffic, and why we should pay for driving at busy hours on busy sections?
Is there a link?
@@McRaylie search for 'zondag met lubach' - files
@@McRaylie ruclips.net/video/-8IgX8jascs/видео.html 4:22
@@McRaylie ruclips.net/video/-8IgX8jascs/видео.html
It starts at 4:20
Ja ik zag het ook al ik dacht echt eindelijk!
9:00 social benefit - great way of measuring.
Back in 2009, I drove from Beijing to Tianjin on the new second highway between the two cities, racing with the high speed train. My speed is 190 km per hour, but I've to admit that the train is faster and overtook me pretty easily. 😂
Did you get a traffic ticket from police? That’s very dangerous
1:25 writing from the future... China now has TWICE as much high-speed track as the rest of the world put together. 2/3rds of the global high-speed track is now in China.
Probably. Not much countries are willing to build high speed track, the cost is very expensive.
@@Supercool12345andy their "bullying" is mostly to protect themselves from USA and its allies. USA is much worse in their bullying. They sell weapons, they force regime change, political change and sanctions on countries whose actions they dont approve in the name of freedom and democracy.
@@nsebast literally so does china, take a look at hong kong
@@PneumaticFrog HK is China why shouldnt they govern it the way they want it governed.
@@PneumaticFrog It's theirs to begin with though.
Because they don't have GM or Ford lobbying against it
no gruop can challenge the party
Just wait until China's large corporations get nice and cozy enough with the government. ;p
Just Me Don't sign papers agreeing to pay for college that you can not afford if you can not afford it.
Imminent domain is a lot easier to enforce under their system.
They are building a new system with all the experience in the world. Late adopters benefit from lessons learned and new technology.
Look at steel, the US after WWII was old compared to Europe rebuilding. Now China, Korea, new investment, equipment.
@@christianknuchel yes it's possible but communist don't care for anyone or anything ,they just crush whatever bothered them.
Chines are simply amazing. They can build just about anything faster. There is very little bureaucracy in the process, no legal blockade in the way and no union contract to follow etc.
That is because they own the land and who ever lives on it has no say. That is going to save the company "if the co2 is lower over china" then the united States from fires.
That's because it's an authoritarian shithole
If there were a train from California to like Georgia or Virginia, or maybe even a train from
Georgia or Colorado to Toronto or British Colombia. I would absolutely utilize that more than planes. Flights are soo expensive most of the time or during moments when needed, so I would definitely be open to things like trains.
It's incredibly smart of them to do this. They build it now while labour costs are still cheap which, if their economy continues to grow at the rate it has, won't be the case in 30 years. They're building future friendly infrastructure which absolutely makes sense when you thing about how oil depletion looms.
I lived in HK for two years some time ago,I can tell you this ,the Chinese people work hard ,are very friendly and extremely smart...
They control the value of their currency so no, labor always will be cheap
@@anlasma7942 Eventually they slowly allow it to rise in price. China is doing what the "Happiest Barrack in the camp" aka Communist Hungary did during the cold war (1960-1990), they improve living conditions on a yearly basis slowly to get the population to shut up about basicly living under tyranny. The only difference is China does it without severely indebting itself
This is exactly why we Africans regard China as a key partner in trade and development. In the last 20 years direct investment from China on infrastructure projects in Africa such as railways, roads, dams, airport etc has increased by a staggering 2652%. China overtook US and Europe 12 years ago as Africa's number 1 trading partner. We love China and we thank you for working with us Africans. God bless China!!
From what George Friedman says, that will change soon.
Totally agree. I believe communism, when used correctly, fast tracks plans and makes economics a much weaker factor when making decisions.
The African people are also good friends of our Chinese people. We have all been subjected to aggression and plunder by Western countries. We will not forget the help of African friends in returning to the United Nations.
Thank you for your support and affirmation to China. I hope our country will further cooperate, win-win and make progress together.
You're naive if you think China doesn't have their best interest in mind. You might wake up one day with China partially controlling your African countries through politics and their megacorporations.
When you first consider profit of infrastructure like HSR, your are already doomed to fall behind.
I’m very excited to see the technological developments in transport throughout the worlds in the next 10-20 years. Electric Cars will definitely become widespread, Electric Planes will likely become more adopted by smaller airlines and hopefully there will be improvements to public transport not just including High Speed railways (in the US). The future holds lots of promising opportunity.
don't forget they built great wall 2000 years ago.
Hard to forget when the Chinese remind us every 5 minutes as if it was the greatest achievement in all of human history
@@Glorious_Kim_Jong_Un they live in their own world, forgive them
Also don't forget the chinese made gunpowder, guns, and even the first in human history to figure out mass production
and I believe the chinese also invented the system of obey the law or else and be a decent human being as well as the first to make modular weapons and inventing the repeating crossbow
@@Tucher97 China also invented humans
In the 1960s a team of japanese engineers sat at a table and one said: "minnasama, the main line between Tokyo and Osaka is at the limit of it's capacity"
"i know!" said an other, "let's build a dedicated line for express trains only!"
60 years later, it's the Shinkansen, the world's most densly used and profitable high-speed railway in the world.
In the 1970s a team of french engineers sat at a table and one said: "monsieurs, our railways are losing passengers to airlines"
"i know!" said an other ", "let's make a train that runs at 300Km/h, double the speed of our fastest conventonal train!"
50 years later, it's the TGV, wich still holds the record for the fastest train in the world.
In the 1980s a team of italian engineers sat at a table and one said: "signori, our country is a rather mountainous one and our railways are rater tortuous, also we don't have the space for high-speed railways"
"i know!" said an other ", "let's make a train capable of tilting in curves so it can travel at 270Km/h even on normal lines!"
40 years later, it's the Pendolino, a revolutionary technology exported almost evrywhere in the world.
In the 1990s a team of german engineers sat at a table and one said: "now that the east and west Germany are united politically, we need to unite them economically and socially."
"i know!" said an other ", "let's run our ICE trains part on high-speed lines part on normal ones, we need to unite the country first, Ja? speed can and will come later."
30 years later Germany is seamless one, united. and Berlin is linked to evry other major german cities in less than 3 hours.
In the 2000s a team of chinese party officials sat at a table and one said: "comrades!, our economy is growing, and we need a development strategy that does not relies on foreign imports in the long term", "i know!" said an other ", "let's build high-speed lines, we lack in technology but we could import it from Japan, Italy, France and Germany and then learn to make our own!"
20 years later it's the CRH, world's largest high speed network more than all the other high-speed railways combined.
Then, in the 2010s, the american congress met in the US Capitol, and one said "our cities are choking with cars and pollution and our pubblic transport infrastructure is crumbling and inadequate, shouldn't we look to other countries to find a solution?", "nah" said an other, "we need more cars, because freedom. and indipendence. Let's rather spend hundreds of billions dollars on a plane that does not fly."
10 years later, it's still at the starting point. and it looks like it won't move for a very long time.
Country. People/km2
Japan. 336
Germany. 230
Italy. 201
France. 120
US. 35
So yeah, we do things differently here.
Fastest train is the French TGV? Not for long when the L0 series finally goes operational.
@@PseudoResonance
Fastest conventional steel-wheeled train. Maglevs are another matter.
Thomas Mc Loughlin China spends way more on Africa than the US. China built a high speed rail from Djibouti to dar es salam Tanzania. They have massive manufacturing plants there in Ethiopia. Africa’s economy is doing better than before. If the people in the DRC come around to seeing that business is win win and war is everybody loses Africa will really be a great trading partner for China.
Unlike the places where young Americans are dying pumping out profits for the US military industrial complex run by old white men who have never faced a bullet. Places like Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya and if John Bolton has his way Iran. Irrespective of political party they all have blood on their hands. Cheney, Bush and Blair in Iraq; crooked Hillary and Obama in Syria and Libya; Reagan in Nicaragua and Panama; bush senior in the first Iraq war; Mr. bone saw MBS and trump in Yemen. All turned into 💩HOLES by the US military industrial complex.
emmm, well, but the Shanghai Maglev train travels at 430km/h
没想到提到了我的家乡衡阳。就在十年前我来北京上学的时候，到北京要么去长沙坐飞机去北京，要么坐一天一夜的火车到北京（尽管当时觉得还挺方便的）。现在从衡阳到北京每天有两趟往返的飞机，也有高铁直接到北京大概7个小时，确实是感觉出门遛弯一样就能到往返两地，太方便了。
Really wish Canada had it. But I'm sure they'd overprice it just like their airlines
當年羨慕香港，香港還一切安好時候，我在香港跟個老伯伯聊天，他非常gentle，但不經意間他說：白人地位是最高的。那時候我是震驚，因為這個理念在他心中根深蒂固，說出來非常自然。我們內地人只會一心想超越白人，從來沒有覺得那個種族地位是最高的。------物理的牆容易翻，精神的牆一輩子也無法翻。
兄弟 明白人
是啊，他们在墙外跪舔习惯了，已经把自己当低等人了
Chan Alexen 最终，一人得道，鸡犬升天。
地位不分膚色
但黃種人中最下賤的絕對是中國人
@@justinlin7164 真是悲哀，白人的屁眼都被你这种舔狗舔干净了。不好意思，中国人不会觉得自己低等。
The Lanzhou-Urumqi route didn't make sense to me as well until I took the train a few months ago. During the trip, you can see how many stops (towns, small cities, etc.) along the route were rather remote with quite challenging terrains, and transportation between these spots and major cities, i.e. hubs for resources, business/job opportunities, etc., would be really nightmarish - even with airplanes, it will be insane as some of the spots are too close to each other for a reasonable airline, and trains cover all spots on the route whereas planes cover only two points.
The lack of swift and modernized means of transport plays a lot into the sub-par development stage of remote areas, hence sub-par incomes of the people living there. Also separation caused from lack of transport would sometimes cause even bigger socioeconomic problems, like poor understanding of each other's customs, lack of communication, even hostilities among groups of people. Though I do not agree with many decisions by Chinese government, I do think building these high-speed railway routes into remote areas is a good thing for basically all parties involved, especially considering the external benefits to the communities and the whole country.
I agree with you on that point, I don't think Wendover can understand that.
yeah but what it really means is that beijing can project more power to the outer corners of the state so that it can reliably create more direct pressure on these people like the uyghurs and tibets. And more pressure means more direct assimilation tactics rather than the passive ones that these regions had experienced in the past decades. so it is really not "a good thing for basically all parties involved" experience. in practice these people who's lives had little influence from the Chinese state will be turned upside down. or loked into consentration camps.
@@kaplanbahadir2301 Do fly to China, go to Tibet and Xinjiang, talk to those people, and think again. Think if you have done some primary research instead of secondary processed information you got from singular sources. If you can't and most people won't, at least try to critically think whether those news and articles are objective and without bias. If it is really like what the western media portrays, China would be collapsed and people would be living in misery 10/20/30/40 years ago.
@@daisicong oh sorry! it seems my personal experience of living there for 9years is now "secondary processed information." And of course i have my own bias and views on the topic at hand, but calling someone out and say they have not done any "primary research" and dis-valuing their argument as fake news just ridiculous. and the problem of this topic is that there is no "primary research" because the Chinese government has banned western researchers from entering the region, and we can all agree that data collected by the government itself is the worst source of information. mainly because the government don't want what is happening in china to be known to the western media.
@@kaplanbahadir2301 The argument in case here is whether the motivation and decision behind building a high-speed railway connecting the two strategic provincial capitals in the West China are from political or from business perspective. You thought that the railway is a tool for the government to assert more unjust political pressures to the minority groups. Not only I found your reasoning was absurd and nonsense, but also I am sad to know that you won't able to slightly view something in a positive light after nine years living in China as you claimed witnessing developments there.
I am not defending that the system is of no fault. In fact, the system is far from perfect, and China is at a critical stage and has faced some pressing challenges today than ever before. However, building a thousand-mile high-speed railway connecting the remote West to the developed Coastal Area, benefiting millions of people from goods transportation and social mobility is undeniably a great thing for all Chinese. The railway is a magnificent achievement equivalent of Trans-Siberia and Trans-Continental railroad. The social benefits outweigh its costs. I hope you can broaden your vision and steer the discussion to the argument itself.
I'd be curious to know how much their economy benefits from having such rail infrastructure - probably a big boost. Which is not properly understood by a number of countries (Australia, US) which just can't be bothered with developing high speed rail.
It's pretty easy to describe in general terms and not factual numbers...
For anything that can benefit from face to face meeting, it's invaluable. Think of all the businesses and jobs that exist only because two people were able to meet in person that otherwise wouldn't have happened.
On the other hand, because HSR doesn't support freight, zilch. Compared to for example the US system of railroad freight and that freight can be carried on aircraft, Chinese business is still hobbled by lack of transportation options. Much like the superhighway network in the US and to a lesser extent ordinary railroads, China transports much of their goods on roads and regular rail. I would guess the consequences then are that a place like Szenchen can appear only in a coastal city with access to a port with container ships and is nearly impossible far inland. Even cities like Wuhan can exist only because of their proximity to a major waterway.
i am speechless. Here in ethiopia, we are still struggling with signal failures, power failure, leaves on the line, etc. So watching this is like alien technology. Maybe the Chinese can help out here in ethiopia.
I worry for you if they did. They can easily "debt-trap" countries by giving them a massive loan to build things, and then use the debt to control a country. Hopefully the situation improves.
@@56independent42 You are saying that like the West actually helps Africa.
@@zesk6718 No i'm not. I'm saying china is taking control of countries with debt.
@@56independent42 in Sri lanka debt disaster,many West media and people say it is Chinsese debts fault.But in Sri Lanka,China debt only take no more than 10%,while USA debt in it is over 30%
China:要想富先修路。Translation:”If you want to get rich, build a road first.”
Western: politics.
yup
@Ryan a Mhm, actually stolen Japanese technology. Siemens took the first contract, built trains in China then the Chinese took their technology and leapfrogged it
@Ryan a you sure don't remember how anglo-saxon pirates robbed/stole goods and techs from france, spain and netherlands right?and japan was called "copycat" for over half a century.
and the thieves now become vigilantes of justice hmm...
@Ryan a This is totaly normal, we germans stole a lot technology in the past too
@@josefchinprojektindikator5231 exactly, and its impressive how easily china nicks something so efficiently and effectively, as the germans tried to recreat the t-34 but struggled (learn how it works, prototypes, manufacturing, logistics in transporting) it's insane
Chinese government always do more and talk less.
The US government always talk more and do less. hahaha
Linda Fukuyu lol
Single-party states know how to get things done! No bickering and arguing over made-up political bullcrap like here in the U.S. The USA will always trail behind in other countries when it comes to politics, poverty, and many other things on a mass scale. This is the truth, from a U.S. citizen.
China is lining up the troops to start MURDERING citizens in HONG KONG who thought they were FREE. If living under the barrel of a military gun is not SLAVERY what is? But enjoy your train ride to hell.
@@fladave99 there is only ONE China.
China is so good at building railways is because they really built a lot along the way all over china, they studied almost all kinds of ground conditions and difficulties that may happen...experienced
The Lanzhou-Xinjiang high-speed railway has built a "high-speed railway economic corridor" between Xinjiang, Qinghai and Gansu provinces, playing an important role in promoting the economic development of cities along the route and the construction of the Silk Road Economic Belt. It has become a new engine for the development of the western region and display a new vitality in regional economic development.
After the entire Lanzhou-Xinjiang high-speed railway line was put into operation, China's northwest railway network achieved a new leap, which not only realized the rapid transport between western China and the mainland, but also increased freight capacity by more than two times. The railway has an annual transport capacity of more than 400 million tons, alleviating the pressure of passenger and cargo transport, and greatly improving the comprehensive railway transport capacity in Northwest China. Together with the Lanzhou-Xinjiang Railway, Longhai Railway, Lanzhou-Chongqing Railway, Baolan-Lanzhou Railway, Qinghai-Tibet Railway and other railways, it forms a relatively complete western railway network, which improves the current situation of low transport capacity in Xinjiang, Qinghai and Gansu provinces and regions where is difficulty of buying a ticket. In addition, the railway also further expanded the transport channels of coal, cotton, melons and fruits in Xinjiang, Gansu and Qinghai provinces and regions, gradually transforming the resource advantages of the regions along the railway into economic advantages.
The Lanzhou-Xinjiang high-speed railway has optimized the "economic map" of the cities along the Silk Road, stimulated the development potential of the cities, and brought more and more obvious economic driving and radiation effects along the Silk Road. An economic belt stretching for thousands of kilometers has emerged along the Silk Road.
I've visited Urumqi several times; it's a lovely city and well worth the effort to get there.
Bye
I think Wendover misses a point when discussing Urumqi. He doesn't take into account that businesses are going to want to found branches and expand there if travel there is more convenient. They are investing in less prosperous provinces and whatever your political views on China this will have a net benefit for the population of Xinjiang.
the food! :)
Owain Phillips no it won’t. The Han will displace them. Lmao you’re so naive
@@PresidentFlip There are also well-integrated Turkic people in Xinjiang. They will surely benefit. In Inner Mongolia for instance there are milk companies that dominate the Chinese market
Very well presented. I've been to China about 8 times and will usually go once every 18 months or so. Now I feel as though I have a solid view against which to hold my own views regarding many subjects presented here. Recently, I went from Fuzhou to Shanghai on a very fast train (up to186MPH) and was amazed by tens of thousands of trees I saw planted as far as I could see outside the window over the course of hours of travel. I researched all of this when I got to my destination and read the entire official story about the Army planting trees over many years. How China prepares for the future is somewhat equally balanced by how little we in the US prepare and are prepared. I have greatly enjoyed my time in China both staying with Chinese people in their homes and staying in 5-star hotels. China is run from the top down by a highly authoritative system increasingly seeking to more perfectly control all it can for the good of China.
Basically, a top-down hierarchy is the best way to run a business. I mean, the CEO knows more things than Larry at the mail department.
So, China runs their country like a business?
You might say that authoritarianism gets shit done. So does slavery. And now China has a dictator, but it's OK because this dictatorship will be different to others, right? /s
@John Brown. Thanks for responding. To use your term, 'You might say that' but I did not, did I? What I said can be interpreted however you like although it doesn't change what I said: "China is run from the top down (please comment) by a highly authoritative system (please comment) increasingly seeking to more perfectly control (please comment) all it can for the good of China" Please comment on the part that you think is not accurate. And if you live in US, tell us what you think about what I actually said, ie., "How China prepares for the future is somewhat equally balanced by how little we in the US prepare and are prepared".
I'm going to guess that you have never been to China. Had you travelled there it's likely you'd have mentioned it in your comment as opposed to strictly using words you learned in school like slavery and dictatorship. Again, thanks for commenting. It'd be interesting to read your thoughts on the video content.
China has been a "Meritocracy" for thousands of years, I think it's better than American style democracy.
If Trump was a dictator you would have the same.
What most people don't realize and was not mentioned by Wendover was high speed rail can be used to move more than just civilian passengers. It can also be used to move cargo, freight, or military around the country very quickly. This could be invaluable in the case of natural disasters or if you need to move troops across the country quickly.
There are many ethnics in xinjiang. biggest is uyghur, 44.96%, and still growing up. Second is han, 42.24%. In xinjiang, most of the store boards r written in both chinese and uyghur language. Uyghur r also written in chinese paper money, which also includes chinese, mongol language, tibetan language, zhuang language.
I've been on Chinese High Speed trains all around the country. They are really amazing. Good price. Very reliable. Fast, comfortable. 中国的高铁非常好！！！
the best part is they rarely get delayed. How amazing that is. I live in US and there are always various reasons that a plane gets delayed... even cancelled.
@@ParadiseQ Same in China. Air control is a mess since all airspace are, in essence, owned by the military. Big congestion happen whenever there is a drill, and they hold drills whenever they'd like. So good there's the high speed rail to the save.
How did u like the sick and unnecessary security screening at the train station? Not to mention, we have security check at every subway station. Insane!
@@yuliu1105 What is wrong with u? 别到处丢脸好吧？
@@josephden1527 mind your own business
USA oil companies and flight companies will try everything to stop the development of high speed railways in North America. Lobby.
Very sad, but there’s nothing you can do. You vote a new congressmen in and the companies just start lobbying to the new congressman.
Perhaps America needs Mr Sanders
High speed rail isn't very cost-effective in America. It isn't oil and airline companies that are preventing it. Basic economics and common sense will prevent you from building something that produces a net loss of your investment.
grantcivyt, rail is the only system that makes alot of money. Highways make no money and actually cost money. Planes have very small profit margins. High speed rail makes perfect economic sense *especially* in the states. Even if we just connected the north east corridor it would make the government a fuck load of money.
And yes it is oil and air companies lobbying against it.
@@grantcivyt Sure a high speed rail between two far flung medium sized cities isn't profitable, but as this video shows it can be very profitable between dense urban corridors such as the ones you see on the East and West coast, as well as parts of the Midwest.
i feel like the title should be "why is everyone else so bad at building railways"
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the train between Urumqi and Lanzhou is part of the new silk route that China is building to connect the country to Europe through all ex Soviet Union states. It's part of a bigger project
@Little Fox That is very fake news
@Little Fox ........
@Little Fox o u poor thing…
And from Urumqi there are slower trains to Almaty and Nursultan in Kasakhstan
Well.. I'm not surprised. After all China had long tradition on making infrastructure since the era of Warring States Period, such as Qin Dynasty (Imperial / National Highway Road), Han Dynasty (Silk Road), etc
For Chinese Government, better infrastructure (including Railways), mean better economy for PRC. Moreover they want to create "Belt and Road Initiative".
The silk road was not a physical entity or an infrastructure project. It was a trade network made up of thousands of separate routes that goods changed hands through.
@@RBuckminsterFuller Yes, if you mean the "Whole" Silk Road, then I also agree with you :)
what I mean, Chinese Dynasty government start spend some of their treasure to ensure the trade activity in silk road, at least in their own territory like "Jade Gate" or even "Four Garrisons of Anxi".You can learn more by study about this: Protectorate of the Western Regions (Han Dynasty), Protectorate General to Pacify the West (Tang Dynasty)
Oh and if you ask why Chinese Dynasty even care? because silk road give additional income for their treasure.
Like the Roman Empire.
It makes sense seeing as China is still growing in population. It's not impossible all these railways could be profitable within the next 30 years.
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China is good in building anything. They actually built a massive Green Great Wall that pushed desert back hundreds of kilometers. And they built a water channel that transport water from south to the north, over thousand miles of distance. Let's don't even talk about the massive highways, trains, bridges, and powerlines. People are amazed by the high speed train simply because they are more visible.
They are not only good in building railway,,
Infact they are excellent in everything
I took the high speed train from Changchun to Harbin one time, and it was an amazing experience. You could barely tell that the train was moving (it was so smooth), yet we were traveling more than 100 mph (a lot more actually). It's incredible how much the Chinese can build in such a short period of time.
The speed is actually about 190MPH. What is more impressive is that the railway in Northeastern china can work at extreme cold conditions.(-40F)
@@anhengxi1048 You're right. Very fast, and the rail itself looked like a regular rail track. How they are able to engineer something so smooth is beyond me.
greetings from Changchun~~ Hope you tried the street bbq~
@@sekkhmetx9133 Of course! I eat the BBQ all the time there! My wife is from Changchun and she takes me to all of the awesome restaurants during my visits. It's an amazing, busy city, and the people are always very friendly. I'll be going back again during the next Spring Festival.
@@FlashOnTwos lol awesome~~~~ I'm so glad you like my hometown :D