A Chinese Maglev Revolution is Coming...
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is there anything you can do with filtering the sound of of your inhaling between sentences? Once I hear it, I cannot unhear it!🤣🤣
The long-distance ones don't make sense -- that's what planes are for.
@@waitingforanalibi2224 it's why he is called Whistler
@@fillyfresh Thats too funny! 🤣 His middle names not tangent is it?
I'm Chinese Canadian, and I remember going back to China to visit my grandparents in the early 2000s. We would fly into Beijing or Shanghai or Hong Kong and then take a 20 hour train journey back to my hometown in the North-West of Hubei. We took these "green-skinned" trains that crawled around on single track and had to pull into sidings to let more express trains by. I considered myself lucky in that we got "soft-sleeper" tickets instead of the "hard seats" where people would sometimes literally sit for days. We would pass countless cities, towns and villages, giving a perfect cross-section of the poverty and drab nature of the Chinese countryside. There were bicycles, water-buffalos and sometimes a three-wheeled flat-bed motorcycle. At the time, I couldn't help but feel an almost shame to be Chinese, to be from a country so poor and backwards.
Fast forward to today, disregarding that my comparatively small hometown has had an airport blasted into a mountain-top with daily flights to all major cities, the same journey that in my childhood took 20 hours now takes 4, and I'm only 28. In 10 years the same countryside has also changed. Brand new perfectly paved roads follow the railroad, children in smart uniforms walk carelessly to school, the once myriad bicycles that slalomed through the streets now replaced with family cars and the tuk-tuks with electric vans. The train travels at such speeds at you don't have time to properly take everything in, but you notice the cleanliness, the smart little gardens, the gleaming stadiums and skyscrapers, and the vibrance of the country as whole. I noticed that no one in the train but me was looking outside, pre-occupied with work, school or the latest TV show thanks to the wi-fi. The transformation of the country seemed also trivial, something that wouldn't be noticed by anyone who didn't get to see China through a series of snap-shots in form of visits. I couldn't help but feel immensely proud to be Chinese, and lucky, to have been able to witness it all happen with my own eyes. In the time it took Vancouver to build one subway line, China has built an entire country.
As I've gotten older, I've realized that the China I saw in my youth was the anomaly, not the modern one we see today. China didn't go through an economic "miracle", it's simply back to what it is: a civilization painted with millennia old culture, bonded with an ancient identity and inhabited by an ingenious, tenacious and resilient people.
China's Century of Humiliation is over. They are rebuilding themselves as the world's economic centre that they once were before British and Japanese colonialism, and it's a beautiful sight to see.
Do Chinese villagers miss the old days when they didn't have much material wealth or comfort but life was simpler and relationships more authentic?
A lot of old people in my country feel that way.
别整天华人华人地乱叫！谁特么跟你是华人？香港台湾都是百越人！80%所谓的海外华人都是百越人！
Here's the fun fact, US spent 8 trillions in Afghan war, roughly 5 times the cost of China's total rail spending for the last 15 years. In that period, China has built 95% of the 45000km HSR, along with maintaining and expanding it's huge regular lines.
😂
With how the US spends money, let's not pretend that 8 trillion could've build half of that rail.....
Wow 8 trillions that's 26K per capita of US population
And the media says China is bankrupting it self making all this infrastructure
by 2035 China high speed rail amounted to 70000km with some running at 600km/hr.
Meanwhile in Ireland our tiny Metro project has been in development for 30 years and hasn't even started yet.
But you guys did develop steam powered monorails - the Listowell & Ballybunion might not have been fast but it was unique.
Don't feel bad. I live in Boston and it took 20 years and $21 BILLION USD to dig a few miles of tunnels and a bridge. For most of my adult life, there was construction on the highway going into Boston and the roads in Boston. It was a giant pain in the ass.
I forgot to add that they promised 5 years and it will be done.
@@felixsu375you guys can build aircraft carrier in no time but couldn’t build tunnel or bridges under 20 years what’s going on?
I'm sure they are still considering all of the possibilities. I don't doubt they have their best people poking at the best computers and your Bestest tossed a dash of AI (which we used to know as Eye of Newt) for extra measure! They are professionals, folks. Don't try this at home.
It's down to California as the biggest boondoggle in the US. I just checked. They are on schedule to blow through $10 billion at the end of the year without a train running yet.
I don't mean to imply topping your Metr-less Metro in Shame.
The best way to get people pissed off is to figure out how much per person it has cost not to go anywhere yet. Should you need one, I have a fine recipe for tar to use, if you like and should you find someone worth wasting feathers on.🏴☠
And we got rid of miles and miles of rail for stupid reasons that's we'll need to reinstate and some point...
Here's the well-known Chinese wisdom: To get rich, build roads first.
thats sounds like a Romanian wisdom
@@abdulwaduod11 abdul in Romania
Long-distance mag-levs aren't for making cost-benefit sense. They are for the bribes, boondoggle, and bragging-rights of the evil CCP. (This comment will get deleted by pro-CCP censors.)
@@Mikupigeon
Yes.
Long-distance mag-levs aren't for making cost-benefit sense. They are for the bribes, boondoggle, and bragging-rights of the evil CCP. (This comment will get deleted by pro-CCP censors.)
Who says that in Romanian' don't owned something if you don't have evidence.
Wow, he didn't mention the word 'authoritarian' this time. Not even a 'but at what cost' comment. This maglev might still be in the research stage but I'm willing to bet it will be up and running before the Californian HSR.
That’s a given. California democrats keep embezzling all the money for that rail line. Can’t be the other party because they have no power and few elected reps.
@@Bob_Smith19 "California democrats keep embezzling all the money for that rail line."
@@TheDanEdwardsI’m sure you’re capable of your own research.
Simon being positive about China? I can hardly believe my ears!
Yeah it's quite worrying isn't it. I'm not sure I can take Simon seriously anymore if he doesn't have the spine to address the elephant in the room. Worse still the possibility that he's bowing to CCP pressure or taking money or incentives.
I have lived and worked in China for over 4 years, Its such a wonderful society I honestly feel sad whenever I see outside news, its so full of hate and prejudice. Chinese people are incredibly kind and nice in nature. And technologically there is much more application of high tech in China than any major country that i have travelled. Note its not uniform, in rural areas still there is lot to be improved, but every year its improving, In last 4 years I have seen it with my own eyes the kind of transformation. If we talk to people they tell, how life has changes in last few decades. I hope people in the West consider the whole picture rather than treating it as hostile nation.
It is a hostile nation 😂 it's literally in an imperialist mindset stealing land and sea. Get your head checked.
Every time I go to China it seems like everything is different..... even when I'm staying in China, I go out sometimes and it's like.... what has happened here....
Hate to break it to you, China is and will always remain a distrusting communist country for democracies around the world.
You people seem to forget that China is not a democracy.
@@Siranoxz that is your own opinion, the fundamental logic is that the west is losing its edges at all fronts against China, that means the western domination of the world is about to see its end, democracy is just a hypocritical excuse really, remember when first industrial revolution taken place unions led workers were so against the move, and they destroyed those machines but couldn't stop the technological advancement, look at where we are now, so eventually only technological enlightenment will prevail despite it is being the Chinese or the American,
❤well said
Took the Changsha maglev line last year.
While not that long or fast, the ride was incredibly smooth.
Would be great to see more built anywhere!
After living in China for a while I have seen the incredible transformation, its truely incredible! I think it all comes down to competent people and rense of responsiblity in the society. Such nice and friendly people, its unfair that west sees it in such negetive light
The West is just jealous and envious of China's achievement. Non-white people breaks the Western exceptionalism.
You're right totally not chinese bot. Its so unfair that they continually suppress free speech. Actively invade other peoples space. Over fish. Eat dogs. Use slave labour-
I think the West is jealous.. Yellen went to China and told them to stop making affordable EVs because US cannot compete with China.
@@brentonherbert7775You are a successful case of being brainwashed by Western media
China in many cases is a bit of negativity stroke that has itself to blame for, no matter how many people are prone to defend China.
China is not foreign friendly nor is it any friendly to democratic countries.
So democratic countries treat China as a competitor, not as a friend or ally..
So basic trade can still be conducted, China will never be seen equal with democratic countries, despite its prowess on rail/maglev or other expertise.
"$39.759 million"
That doesn't seem too bad for-
"Per kilometer"
Oh.
Considering that that included 6 km of extra track (not included in the km number) 3 trains with 6 wagon each, a train deport with space for 18 wagons, two raised station, a full C&C system as well as a turn key operation and training.
That is actually pretty cheap
California high speed train cost about $68M/km and that don´t include anything but tracks
HS2: hold my beer for £22.5bn spent for nothing
easy payed for, if you dont have pay to your enslaved "citizens", easy for the glorious godkings to do whatever they want with the accumulated billions -.-
@@matsv201 china high speed rail network is 1trillion dollar in debt and only 1 financial successful line
@@ayushchaudhary8527 Yes, but Chinese high speed rail network is rail, not maglev
Simon "And the project cost $39.759 million...."
Me: "Hey that's actually very cheap!!"
Simon: "Per kilometre!!"
Me: "Okay nevermind then!!!"
As a comparison, the construction of the fast train In a proud country.
HS2 has been staggeringly expensive ( fase 1). Connecting London to Birmingham 66bn km (140 mil). has costs around 82 billion usd.or $232 million per kilometer (km).
And California high-speed railway (Phase 1) connecting San Francisco Bay to Los Angeles 800 km (500 mil) . has costs around 120 billion USD. Or 150 million per kilometer (km)
It is fairly cheap, its China! Plus 1 missile is ~100 million
Which is worth for society ?
An on going public high tech facility that support all other industrial companies, rises of all society facility
@@james_l4337 Very few missiles cost hundreds of millions. The only one I know is the Sentinel ICBM project, and that's an extreme outlier.
@@appa609 Sorry my bad, I should rewrite 100s to mean 100 something million, not meaning multiple 100. They usually do cost over 100 million...
Crazy.
It is cheap consider the sicken bombs & missiles, to build per km of such good infrastructure, maglev IMHO
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa keep in mind the shanghai maglev was built in the early 2000s. Adjusted for inflation thats probably about the same today.
In 2021, Chinese HSR had almost 2 billion annual passengers, and that figure is pretty much representative of current HSR utility in China. Some lines definitely are underused, but we can’t deny that a substantial proportion of the Chinese population has benefited from the construction of these railways.
In terms of the railway’s profitability, I think our Westernised perspective has trained us to view everything in a capitalistic fashion, but perhaps it's time to realise that not everything needs to be assessed like a business. I'll take a wild guess - the Chinese government is building such projects because it facilitates labour flows and makes life more convenient for their citizens, not because it's supposed to be a money-spinning machine.
The fact is that the United States' freeways are not free and lose money every year
Lol all debt have to be paid, you think other counties did not come to this realization? "Build even if cost a lot?" Debt has to be paid by the citizens of that country
@@gourav4672 it's way better to pay a debt for infrastructure, rather than pay a debt for useless wars
@@gourav4672 the US could have build way more lines with much more advanced technology if they're not war maniac
@@gourav4672yes the debts have to be paid. I borrow from the bank, build a profitable business, I paid the debts and become rich. A country spends money in infrastructure, Economy improves, citizens incomes multiplied, tax revenues pay the debt from the infrastructure expenses. If you still don’t understand, learn about our interstate highway system, then solute to President Eisenhower.
I appreciate Simon’s accurate depiction and videos of the clean and smooth trains in China.
When you've got a purposive state and when one has a political system that strives towards consensus than one that incentivizes division, and also when one has a huge population and huge labour pool of skilled manpower that's relatively inexpensive and technology actually exists to do something, such a state can actually enact it relatively affordably...
We visited China last year and took the high-speed train, it was amazing .we enjoy
Pretty amazing. I never saw a train before I went to college in China. To then to go back and ride these high speed trains in 2019 was a moving experience.
哦 那你是1800年在中国读书的吗
不然不可能没有见过火车
你都活了200多年
❤
@@pengzhang5081what are you on about? I grew up in a small town in China and never saw a train until I went to college in 2012 either.
So, you would say the train moved you?
@ntrgc89 🤭 good one
@@pengzhang5081 这家伙是在美国长大然后回国读大学的。在美国小镇上一辈子看不到火车其实很正常。
1:20 - Chapter 1 - What is maglev ?
4:40 - Mid roll ads
6:00 - Chapter 2 - The shanghai maglev
8:15 - Chapter 3 - The coming revolution
14:00 - Chapter 4 - China's provincial maglevs
Long-distance mag-levs aren't for making cost-benefit sense. They are for the bribes, boondoggle, and bragging-rights of the evil CCP. (This comment will get deleted by pro-CCP censors.)
I'm sick of it.
These status symbols don't help a million commuters get home an hour early.
These stupid things aren't for transportation, they're for political bragging rights, like the Moon shots.
Long distance maglevs, "bullet trains", HSRs --- that's what PLANES are for.
You the real MVP
I am Chinese, we respect our government because it takes care regular people.
Good.
careful they are going to block your vpn
noone asked
@@Spam-XXheheXXnone asked your opinion
@@roxylius7550 ccp bot spotted lol
The Chinese are investing in this infrastructure of maglev trains because they know this fast rail transport will pay off for generations.
And they're also looking for a way to reduce the maintenance costs of 45 000 kms of hsr which is adding up especially as they age. That's a huge challenge only the Chinese can undertake.
What generations? OH the generations they dont have cus they over did their one child policy?
@@brentonherbert7775 Frog Brain if one has dumb mind like so.
@@brentonherbert7775 brenton is coping and seething
@@brentonherbert7775 the population will still exist for quite a while
I took the Maglev for the first time in 2004 not long after it opened. I told friends and family back in the States about it. Until now, it remains a viable way to get to the airport, depending on where you are coming in from. It was fairly empty in the early days, but I attribute that more to the poor design of the transfer. If there had been a direct transfer from the metro station into the Maglev platform. Instead, they set it up where you have to leave the station, go up a new set of stairs, buy a ticket, go through security... all of which diminished the time savings of going 431 kmph to the airport.
For the record, saying that it travels to "downtown" is a stretch. Longyang rd station is still pretty remote and when it was built it was really sparsely inhabited compared to the rest of the city.
20 fkin years ago 😂
@@hurrikkkanes2533 Yep! 20 fkin years ago. (kinda makes me feel old, lol)
Dude, the transfer from line2 to meglev only takes you about 5 mins at LongYang road station.
@@tofdao The whole maglev ride only takes 8 mins. Going through security a second time is redundant. Cut that down to 2-3 minutes, the time savings of the maglev ride is more appealing. My two cents.
As a comparison, the construction of the fast train In a proud country.
HS2 has been staggeringly expensive ( fase 1). Connecting London to Birmingham 66bn km (140 mil). has costs around 82 billion usd.or $232 million per kilometer (km).
And California high-speed railway (Phase 1) connecting San Francisco Bay to Los Angeles 800 km (500 mil) . has costs around 120 billion USD. Or 150 million per kilometer (km)
I come to this comment section to collect some tears of blind hatred.
😂😂
I did too, and now my cup runneth over. Cope, westerners
keep scrolling pajjet
I realize China genuinely hurts westerner's egos and superiority complexes. Non-racists can appreciate China's achievements
Their tears tastes great 😃 cry babies
i went on the shanghai maglev in nov 2004- not bad. had a look in the drivers cabin. looked basic plus the drivers had an assistant sitting on a kitchen chair !
only problem is that this line only runs a short distance into the shanghai suburbs, you need to catch the shanghai metro to get ito shanghai proper.. its only a 20 minute ride and only hits top speed for less than a minute..
Not a problem with the technology, just a problem with the system they decided to build, which was a small technology demonstrator. Later it's served mostly as a tourist attraction.
That is why it is called experimental. Otherwise, how would you learn the uncommon maintenance issues and the hidden costs? This type of "common sense" is actually called short sightedness spelled backwards.
It is 40km in distance and the entire journey takes 8 mins. That is just a show case to the world.
@@icebaby6714 it took 20 mins when I went on it. i recorded the timing, and not really that much of a show case
The long-distance ones don't make sense -- that's what planes are for.
When I was in high school back in the 80s, I remember seeing a story on something similar to the Maglev system, that Australia was looking at implementing. I don't know what happened to it though, buti thought it was going to be very exciting and was disappointed it never happened. Guess cost or practicality was wrong...
No, it was the government that failed with the implementation.
There is still a project to this day one the board around gold coast
It could be done, but the expense of construction on a per-kilometer basis is going to be somewhere in the stratosphere. Reason: to keep up speed over 500 km (310 mph), you will need much more gently curved and sloped track alignment, and that means a lot of extremely expensive (by anybody's standards!) long tunnels and bridges. Just the cost from Chengdu to Wuhan would be extremely expensive with the very long tunnels needed going through the low mountains between Chengdu to just west of Wuhan, tunnels that will also need earthquake mitigation, given Chengdu is located near active earthquake faults.
Good points
Doesn’t count for the MagLev. It’s not a normal train many problems don’t affect it .
@@bobjaydenmarley7406Yeah, it is magic, only bound by imagination 😂
The long-distance ones don't make sense -- that's what planes are for.
I read somewhere that 90% of the 280km Chuo-Shinkansen will be in tunnels. And the Japanese are doing that for the surprisingly low price of 80 billion US dollars.
Love your narrative style - informative and funny.
apart from the constant conversion from imperial to metric........ get in the 21st century and use metric only. let the yanks educate themselves on it
Could you please make a special 2part episode on engine development with part 1 concentrating on general history and part 2 on the unique side of engine development. LOVE YOUR VIDEOS BTW!!!👊
No Simon, we will be back in 10 years talking about China's star trek style transporters.
They have been building HSR since 8 to 10 years ago
So how many 10 years are you talking about ? 😂
@@Cheesecake99YearsAgo 8 to 10 years ago you didn't even know how the chinese flag look like, nor you were caring about them, let alone you knew about potential researchs on their maglevs system, i just love thoses kind of answers, people immediately get triggered on the defensive when it come to china's developpement to try on bash them for no reasons, you feel threatened over nothing that's just ludicrous, only americans indians and europeans uses as much emojis as words in their comments if not more. You actually even look quite reasonable next to much of them, so long as you don't qualify everybody who try to engage in an analysis or a simple conversation over their planification as a bot because you don't want to hear anything about their enormous potential.
And he's first comment was obsiously a joke, which i'm not too sure about your answer?
The meglev actually just levitates like a few cm off the track, but that few centimeters makes all the difference in ground friction. Crazy to think about
9:00 The single fastest train levitating just above Earth. Could I have just ignored this? NEIN!!!
Must be nice to have a competent government...
It will after Chinese fusion generator success.
Shares for sharing this amazing tech!
There is an old saying in the subcontinent that buying the elephant is easy, taking care of the elephant is expensive
Indian butt is hurt 😭
Ok but what do they say in the domcontinent
@@coconutsmarties7916 I'm more interested in the funny stuff the bratcontinent has to say
It's cheaper than using aircraft.
Yes that’s why the subcontinent will never catch up soon
Oh, my god. Look at those comments. Go to China and take a ride on their high speed train. I did. It is amazing.
Ah yes you know when i think high speed rail i TOTALLY think china.... And totally not japan thats been doing it for decades...
@@brentonherbert7775 please cry harder
@@a1sauce775 Literally laughing my ass off at the fact china genocided its own population im sorry if you mistook these tears for sad ones i assure they are not 🤣
@@brentonherbert7775 japan's rail is nice but nowhere near as expansive
@@hughmungus2760 Probably because it doesnt need to be.
Japan has THE BEST public transport system in the world for a reason.
And idk about you but id rather go on the best one than the biggest one.
I'd like to know more about the "slow maglevs" you mentioned at the end. What are the benefits versus conventional trains and monorails? Are they cheaper to operate and maintain because of lack of friction? Isn't that compensated by a possibly higher energy consumption?
low maintenance, low energy use, low noise so it can run late night, and it can run on higher slope route..ie hilly route...
@@airrodgers1242 very expensive to build
its important from an industrial policy level (China does this far better than any other country), to start building projects even if its not yet profitable at a economic level, to start getting scale and tech-know hows.
i bet those slow maglevs are not profitable at all compare to conventional rails, but they are subsidized by the central gov.
@@Xind0898 Its also important that China consider these trains as infrastructure for the people. Just like hospital, you don't ask "Does this hospital made profit?"
one fact that i find incredible is that while tgvs wheeled speed record is only abit slower than the maglevs record speed (570vs600km/h)
the difference is what it took to get to that speed, the tgv accelerated for 80km, downhill, and needed to disconnect so they could increase the overhead wires voltage half way through. and then took 70km to slow down to a stop
the scmaglev got from 0-600-0 in under 11km
Yes... that's the main advantage. The TGV run of 570km/h was impressive... but really it just required a long enough and straight enough track. In real life, there's a reason no wheeled train runs faster than 350km/h. It's just not practical... because... physics. Steel-on-steel acceleration and, more importantly, DECELERATION just doesn't make higher speeds practical. You'd spend very little time at speed... a little like speeding up to a stop sign.
The L0 Maglev in Japan will reach cruising speed in about 60s which is remarkable. BUT EVEN THEN... any stops drastically reduce average speed. The Nagoya-Tokyo DIRECT service will take 40 minutes, but it's planned for the all-stops service to take about an HOUR longer. This is partly due to that fact that it will probably have to wait a little at some stations to allow direct trains to pass through, but also because slowing and accelerating still take time.
@@TheNewGreenIsBlue lot more issues than just that as well, china has tried running some of its trains at 400, and even considered dropping some down to only 300, because the extra wear and maintenance to run that little bit faster is huge
@@vincentgrinn2665 Yeah... same reasons they don't the Tohoku line at 360km/h as planned. The wear on the tracks and caternary wires and noise pollution for a relatively modest reduction in trip time.
It WILL be more important when the line goes to Sapporo as there will be actual time savings... and they're working on the noise issues, but that won't be until 2030. They want to get Sapporo-Tokyo to ~4hours which would probably require 360km/h along parts of the line.
That being said, China definitely benefits from 350+ trains more than Japan due to the large distances involved between its largest population centres... as would places like the USA.
@@TheNewGreenIsBlue But from what I've been told the US doesn't even have traditional diesel or electric trains for most of the country. You can't - for example - live in Fredericksburg and commute to Washington/Arlington/Alexandria for work by train (I've checked, the train only runs every four hours and tickets cost up to $230 a trip according to the internet, a site called tripsavvy).
Given Washington DC is the CAPITAL CITY that is appalling, unfortunately the map didn't give distances so I've no idea of the distance but it takes an hour and a half to get there and there is apparently a whopping one train every four hours - tough if you miss your morning train to work, you're stuck. From someone used to simply going to the nearest train station and waiting for the next train (never more than an hour, we are a small rural station and not every train stops here) and being in Dublin in under an hour, slow train stopping at EVERY stop on the way, this is unbelievable.
@@ABC1701A That is more or less correct. It relies on its highway network and private cars.
But you chose a bad example. First of all, being the capital doesn't mean it's going to automatically have the best public transit. In many regions, the capital city is not the largest.
In Western Canada, Victoria is the capital of BC, in Washington, Olympia is the capital. In Australia, it's Canberra... and Vancouver, Seattle, Sydney/Melbourne all have better transportation networks.
Secondly, Fredricksburg is a small town of 27,000 and realistically, doesn't have a HUGE amount of demand to travel 90km into Washington.
Much like there's not much demand for people from Rathnapish to commute to Dublin.
Wow, China has built 45000 km of high speed railways across the land. On top of these domestic high speed railways China has built thousands of km railways in many countries in the world within the BRI program. Now, China is the first in the world who is about to introduce the commercial Maglev trains with a maximum speed of 600 km/hr. China’s invention of “high temperature super conductor” makes the maglev train much cheaper to build and exploit the super conducting phenomenon at a relatively high temperature.
With concrete that you can crumble by hand cause to cut costs they mix foam into their concrete lol
@@SilverStarHeggisist yeah, like the Baltimore bridge, it collapsed by a slight touch of a container ship. That shows the quality of American bridges like you commented. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@philiptan2051 the forces involved in a 100+ thousand ton ship moving at 8 knots are near invincible to a human used to human scale.
So no, more like the videos of people in China literally crumbling concrete with their bare hands
@@SilverStarHeggisist that is a silly argument, really dude. The Baltimore bridge was not protected by concrete at the foot at its pillars. Besides, a gentle touch of a container ship at a very slow speed should not make the whole bridge collapse like a house of cards. You are not an engineer, are you?! Videos with concrete that can be crushed by human hands are fake, dude. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@philiptan2051 sure buddy
In the UK we're still doing rail electrification upgrades...
To effectively communicate, we must realize that we are all different in the way we perceive the world and use this understanding as a guide to our communication with others.
In Australia every govt for the last 40 years has announced a “fast train” along the eastern seaboard and still nothing but 40 years of press releases and glossy feasibility studies costing tax payers millions $$$.
a glorious 40 years 😊
But 400 billion for submarines and defense spending upgrades are worth it.
@@eat_ze_bugs absolute waste of money, would be far better spent on health, education, infrastructure just to name a few.
Just curious, why does Australia need high speed railway as the polulation is not that many?
You guys should make an ep about the Japanese bullet train.
they operate 50 kms slower then chinas why
Japan inferior maglev lol
Kinda outdated by around 10 years 😂
There are enough videos about it
If you think speed is all that matters then you are clearly not educated enough to rate a train system’s efficiency nor effectiveness
These lines should be covered by partial dome glass to keep wind off them. automatic cleaning systems could clean them and it will make far less friction and lower costs.
How many RUclips channels you can run at once??
Simon Whistler - Yes
Gday Whistler.
I heard my university was mentioned - Tongji. That was a surprise.
To compare, the UK's ruinously expensive HS2 highspeed rail is now projected to cost 250 million pound sterling. Per km. The mind boggles at our inefficiencies.
I like Rory Sutherland's idea of instead of making the trains faster at huge expense make the trip more enjoyable.
That's ridiulous. Sure, UK's workforce if more expensive but it can't be 10x more expensive. IMO, it's the red tape that drives prices up and make prijects delayed.
It's all working towards exporting. They'll know how to rapidly construct the lines, know how built the trains and know where the problems are. And know which countries to sell them too (UK I'm looking at you)
Debt trap inbound.
The biggest issue with large scale rail projects in the west are property rights and environmental review. Try and build anything anywhere and there's gonna be some endangered pheasant that the project threatens, and that'll be a decade of lawsuits on its own. Then there's always a number of property owners along the proposed right of way that not only have no interest in selling an easement, will actively fight the project at every turn.
@@Bob_Smith19 Its only the western capital providers which deals in debt trap policies which is evidenced by all international debt statistics.
video starts from 8 min
I would buy a ticket if America could actually build a highspeed rail or maglev train across the nation. The views would be incredible.
I think China has a greater advantage due to their purchasing power parity in terms of development compared to that of other first world countries so they get more technology developed and build for the cost. Out of curiosity was the money pricing in the video based upon USD pricing or cny
That advantage is nothing considering that Chinese people are all clustered in cities facing one coastline, and so few of them own cars. They will always have enough people to support these kind of projects no matter how bad the economy gets
Maglevs being an entirely new track technology should take the opportunity to be about double the loading gauge of current trains such as about 8 meters wide. The 1840s dual track British railroads were designed to occasionally have double width carriages running on the inner rails of the two tracks. This would open up the ability to transfer large cargo over land. The super train concepts of prewar WW2 Germany and post WW2 soviet union were at least double the loading gauge of the current trains. An 8 meter wide interior would allow the first level to hold typical motor cars perpendicular while possibly not being continues between the passenger train cars. The stability of being 8 meters wide would allow three levels with the top two levels being continues between the cars, quiet and allowing great comfort. Passenger trains could more comfortably hold 4 times the number of passengers in the same linear space as todays trains keeping passenger trains from stretching out many city blocks.
Footage at 0:36 seems to be showing Japan, the cars in the background are running on right hand drive roads, and the freight yard has very typical JR Freight colouring.
That's in China. The roads & small high rise.
0:36 is an average small train station.
All those are HSR train, there's even larger size with more higher speed HSR then that e.g. Wuhan HSR station is 5x size, with 5x train there's in 0:36
Japan don't have such
@@james_l4337 No, it is not. This is the Tokaido Shinkansen rail yard owned by JR Tokai, called Torikai Rail Yard, located in Osaka, Japan. I went on a factory tour there when I was in primary school.
Megaprojects channel did use Japan maglev in few of the frames but that is very easily recognised as Japan's 603km maglev is very unique in design look
I check what you said. You are the expect here and it seems after some checks you are correct 😅👍
Sorry you are correct 0:36 is Torikai Railroad Depot in Japan.
My bad, apologies for my unknowledgeable rant 😅
Thank you for reporting honestly on China and show the good of China. Rather than just follow the anti-China narrative
The trains is the only good thing to report on in 2024. They got some damn good trains
In future how about you make two versions of these videos, One for Planet Earth and one for Planet America. Just do the numbers in voice over for each according to the system used.
It's tough enough to follow with just one system used.
Start a campaign for RUclips to combine the views for one total, we'll bombard RUclips to support the idea.
Meanwhile in Melbourne, the airport rail hasn't happened yet
Still public transportation better then World Supremacy 😊
can't ask for more when nation budget is much smaller size, & does depends on foreign trade for some income
On top of willy ninny on & off policy, bipolar
Hey at least you have freedom( to spend tax payer money )-- some American maybe
Australia definitely needs a better rail system to connect the country we just can’t afford it because we would have to pay all the people who work on the project.
No what u guys need are submarines to protect your trade route that u use for trading with China from China.
Australia has the same problem as Canada, not enough population density to pay for high speed rail, or passenger rail of any kind really.
consider the intercity activities in Australia, flight is more than enough.
Main arguement is around Melbourne - Sydney, which i guess a HSR make sense for those two consider those 2 mega cities are quite close to each other, if we can take HSR from melb to syd and return within a day, it would mean alot.
@@Xind0898 Melbourne and Sydney are almost 900km apart not at all close
@@matiasavellanal5244 its pretty close relatively speaking.
My big question on maglev technology is safety... are people with pacemakers safe to ride? Could obstructions cling to the rails? What risks do maintenance staff face? How much power is required to run the entire thing? I presume these issues have solutions since there are maglev lines already in commercial use.
Whenever we talk about megaprojects like this it is critical to remember that the amount of money doesn't really matter. Which is kinda true for all off the economy as the thing that has true value is what is created in the real world. So a project like this isn't nearly as expensive as it might look it just takes a lot of labor, resources and time and at point it becomes more a question of lost opportunity elsewhere than the cost of a project. Not realizing this and not accounting for this in planning and budget is a big part of the reason why China is kicking everyone's ass when it comes to projects of any type.
It's worth mentioning that the linear induction motor, the basis for maglev trains, was invented by the late Professor Eric Laithwaite of Imperial College, London.
Is he a cisgender male or non-binary?
why britney didnt has mag? after you claim invention
Here in the US we mostly struggle with low speed trains. There are some high speed, but not many at all. It's really pretty sad.
It really only makes sense in the NE part of the US and the NW corridor between Portland/Seattle/Vancouver, and it would cost hundreds of billions of dollars.
@@Djamonja oddly enough you would think Texas would seriously consider high speed rail connecting its major cities especially along the gulf coast, but given their track record for dealing with natural disasters....yeah
@@cynthiaherbst3909 Yea, that's a good point
@@cynthiaherbst3909 Or keeping the power on.
Practically all of America's current intercity track is designed for heavier freight, and is often congested with much more profitable cargo trains. So while rail in the US is still old and slow, it's paid itself off many times over and continues to generate money.
Let's hope it's build and maintained to a higher standard than their research labs
For those slower maglev trains, what is the impetus to use maglev? Is it greener? You did mention it for the sky train but that also used different magnet tech.
dont see how they would go maglev. the cost per km is extortionate, hence they chose to create the network over the extra speed.
the maglev in shanghai is nice although its only to the airport
did you not watch the video? the main reason is speed and maintenance. there is no friction.
@@MGZetta yes i watched it, I also watched several previous videos over the years which explained the cost per kkm was too high and china prioritised coverage over speed. even my chinese collegaue confirmed this.. the other issue with going maglev is that you need a long more straight track that using conventional high speed
@@MGZetta Just a lot of energy... And a high investment cost. And... what good is speed when you need to slow down when going through cities anyway? Trucks for example CAN go over 200kph.... doesnt change the fact they dont though for a number of PRACTICAL reasons. China as usual is being "look at us we so cool!" thinking they are as the west looks on like "you idiots"
Here is an old report about Japan's MAGLEV: "Oct 31, 2017 · The new Japanese maglev became the fastest train in the world after traveling at 374 miles per hour (603 kilometers per hour) on a test run near Mount Fuji last." When we were touring in Japan in 2020, we saw the high-speed MAGLEV but elected to use the 1/2 speed at about 1/4th the cost.
You can't "use' the maglev in Japan. It's not open to the public yet.
Just as a test run. Not real service
@@matsv201 if I remember correctly, the train has been used commercially on and off for about....25 years I believe. They're just battling it out with a prefecture to let them pass and connect to a bigger region.
@@Notsogoodguitarguy not really "commercially" as much as they offered rides to the public for a while. It doesn't GO anywhere at the moment, but they have taken on passengers.
They haven't even secured all the land for the maglev they're building now. One prefecture is holding out. And I shudder to think what the prices of the tickets will be.
13:52 damn those shots look like straight out of an Ultraman show.
I just came back from Shanghi...
For experience, I tried this train from Shanghai CBD to Pudong International Airport, a distance of some 30 kilometres. It took us 7/8 minutes to reach the airport with a maximum speed of 300km/hr.
When I querried about the speed, I was told that the short distance and the track runs through the city centre, it was cap at the speed .
Nonetheless, I was told that they are planning a connection to Beijing and travel time can be btw 4-5 hours! What would happening to inter-city avaition then?
Shanghai to beijing is 4hrs in HSR, and it is operating for years.
Shanghai maglev just does 300 now. Been there couple months ago
Shanghai's Maglev can travel at a max speed of 431 kph. But this speed is only touched once or twice a day.
Normally tourists who visit Shanghai will choose the train schedule that travels at 431 kph. 19:32
You probably rode it after the sun went down. They still go 431 kph during the daytime.
The Shanghai maglev cost was partially justified as basic military R&D into electromagnetic propulsion. They were just starting to work on their magnetic carrier catapult
Realy I like it they are powerful and intelligent I apreciate
17:30 that whole sequence sounded so funny 🤣
Yeah! As someone involved in train propulsion the technology is fine, can be made stable and will result in fast low maintenance services. There is a big BUT here. The penalty here is energy, you certainly spend a little less than tracked vehicles, as most of the energy is used to overcome drag at speed , not to overcome track friction. The real gotcha is the energy required to levitate the train, it's a lot. Plus the cost of replacing rails with levitation tracks is horrendous. That's why all current tracks are short dedicated services.
You are incorect on all points.
Maglev trains have no wheels or power pick up or really any other external protruding stuff. They are way more aerodynamic than conventional trains, hence they use less energy at higher speeds.
The levitation is provided with hybrid magnets. They use basicallt no energy at all when levitating and use a lot of energy only when lifting of the track. When levitating at traveling forward they use only about 50w per ton in energy to balance the hybrid magnets.
@@matsv201 Sorry, your credentials as a train engineer are?
There is no such thing as zero energy levitation, energy is also used for track position maintenance laterally.
Did you actually read my comment? At no point did I say that maglev trains are wheeled. The point is that energy is used on both types of train and is not vastly different as most is used to overcome drag.
@@bellshooter
"Sorry, your credentials as a train engineer are? "
Sufficient.
"There is no such thing as zero energy levitation,"
You be very wrong about that. Levitation it self requires no energy. Some system have energy to balance the levitation. There are totally passive systems.
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"Did you actually read my comment? At no point did I say that maglev trains are wheeled"
Jepp, but you didn´t read mine.
"The point is that energy is used on both types of train and is not vastly different as most is used to overcome drag."
You be wrong about that to. The main drag from a high speed train is power pickup and wheel assembly. To a degree also wagon connections.
The first two things maglev trains don´t have what so ever. For wagon connections they can be done much tighter on maglev train than conventional trains. Reducing the last amount of air resistance.
In effect a maglev train typically have less than half the Cv value of a wheeled train
@@matsv201 Your 'Sufficient' qualification is obviously not.
Pure magnetic levitation IS possible but this cannot be used for train levitation due to the need to control it for vertical stability and payload control, and lateral stability needs for track centring during any movement. The energy required for conventional electric rolling stock is according to the speed squared and only a small expenditure is for rolling resistance, the vast majority above about 80 kph is for air resistance, just go do the maths.
@@bellshooter
"Your 'Sufficient' qualification is obviously not. "
You say so? Are you sure?
"ontrol it for vertical stability and payload control, and lateral stability needs for track centring during any movement"
I just sent you a video where they show a practical example of them having a totally passive track, so you are clearly wrong.
" the vast majority above about 80 kph is for air resistance, just go do the maths."
Did you even read what i wrote or are you so absolutely expert you don´t need to read the reason given becasue you just know?
4:35 slight nitpick here, there is stil friction from the air around the train
That is drag, also known as fluid resistance.
Friction is solid on solid. Drag is solid on fluid, which can be liquid or gas.
That's called drag
We are all faced with a series of great opportunities brilliantly disguised as impossible situations.
On August 11, 2006, at 14:40, a Maglev train compartment caught fire after leaving Pudong International Airport. There were no injuries or fatalities aboard. Electrical problems caused the fire according to investigation reports.
On 14 February 2016, the Shanghai maglev line had an equipment failure that affected operation for more than 1 hour. Due to the use of single-line operation during this time, the train interval was extended.
"Electrical problem"
The worker could not understand the manual thar was written in English. Used Google translate and installed it not corect.
@@matsv201 Ah, so a management problem in actuality. What a shocker.
Meanwhile, in other countries with slow-arse trains, derailments, crashes at crossings, deaths ...
An incident every 10 years is amazing knowing Amtrak is having average 4500 derailments in the US per year.
It's amazing what you can do when you just suck it up and spend the money.
I see you aren’t aware of China’s massive debt issues.
@@Bob_Smith19 Lol, who hasn't got those?
@@KevinT3141 People who dont use slave labour? People who pay their workers? People who hold their goverment accountable for over spending? People in the free world?
@@brentonherbert7775you mean how the US used slave labor and destabilization campaigns all around the world and import those citizens from those destabilized countries to work as 2nd class citizens? Lol
@@brentonherbert7775 CIA bot?
Shouldn't the magnetic propulsion eventually be applied to vehicles, and even assembly lines in factories? Instead of flat, it can be done with a circular wheel which forces it to turn ?
It is. many AC motors use the same technology.
Mind of the current domestic demography and real estate market hardships. Otherwise, Chinese infrastructure investments are impressive indeed.
"Soon to be obsolete." PRICELESS!!!🙏 You, too, will be replaced...
Britain mid 60s to mid 70s where this technology was pioneered by professor Eric Laithwaite. Look at his films which some have survived here on RUclips, the guy is a legend.
self hype
Unfortunately he got very dotty in his later years and started pushing all kinds of pseudo-science with spinning gyroscopes and such. But Brits are too polite to shoo him off the stage.
@@georgegonzalez2476 he thought he discovered anti gravity... I still think he is wonderful. In fact because he was a bit nutty makes me like him more.
The way you breathe while talking gives me agita ❤
Got a beer and a sandwich ready for this, perfect timing
Simons social credit score has been boosted with this one, good to see a positive china story on the channel.
What about your social credit jo? Keeping a good credit score?
And your CIA credits are ramping up too
Might be done before California's high speed rail ... but I hope they have good quality control.
They were talking about flying train(hyperloop) 1000 km/h and aiming 4000 km/h.
Seriously, we’re really still assuming hyperloops make sense?
No. It never once did. If Muskrat were _actually_ possessed of any engineering chops he'd have seen it long ago, too.
the chinese version definitely does.
This isn't Hyperloop, this works and will continue to evolve whereas Musk's folly will continue to rust away as he realizes that the engineers who worked it all out 100 years ago knew this was a bad idea.
If we had the ability to cheaply dig tunnels hyper loop would be viable. Above ground in steel tubes is really dumb.
@@undertow2142 It's still a dumb idea regardless, you won't be reaching any of the fast speeds throughout the ride without having really low curve radii!
Thats partially the reason the Chuo Shinkansen (Maglev) is so expensive, it has to dig through entire tunnels to be able to ride 500km+ entirely, instead of being able to like skirt through with turns that the traditional Shinkansen trains can.
China will grow larger
we will be generous
How are they going to grow larger when there’s not enough young people? China is shrinking into a giant retirement home
Vancouver Canada has a sky train!
i think in the future if iron ferrite permanent magnet (rare earth free permagnent magnet) get stronger, cheaper also superconductor temperature that higher than now (i mean can get cooling by nitrogen) also the cooling system will lighter this maglev technology will be mainstream in all country in the world. (sorry for my bad english, this is just my opinion u can correct me if i wrong in some of my comment)
why i say this thing is because normal permagnent magnet is expensive and also only china can do it because they control 70% of the rare earth mining and the technology of mining is mature in china. also good engineering skill i guess cause to train move at speed 600km/h or more they need precision and calculation is very hard, other than that the maglev system will different to conventional railway cause u cant change track like normal train its need like monorail ( idk it can change like conventional train but my thought like monorail change track in japan).
also to be clear the technology what i say in my comment above and this is inductrack.
sorry if i have something wrong in my comment (im not expert in this area)
any video that mentions hyperloop unironically is automatically in the pure bullshit list.
Elon Musk didn't invent evacuated tube transport, it's a century-old dream. I'm not sure it will ever be practical on Earth because of the exigencies of large pressure vessels, but a distant cousin, aerodynamic tube transport ("Just fill the tubes with hydrogen at STP and drag drops to almost nothing") appears to be much less challenging.
@@TrogdorBurnin8or ummmm, so instead of the risk of an implosion from vacuum, you want to put the most difficult to contain and one of the most explosive elements in the tube? I dunno who made that proposition, but it wasn't a very smart person.
Also, there's a reason tube transport is never gonna take off - imagine how difficult and expensive it is to build a tunnel. Now, make it a little less expensive, say by 50% for a unit of distance, then scale that 300-400-500 times. That's what the "much less challenging" tube transport is going to be.
Also also, yeah, Musk didn't invent the Hyperloop. He just took a retarded idea that only works in sci-fi and said why not make a money-burning party out of it.
China's high speed rail has had a number of major accidents due to lack of maintenance but the state media puts a block on any reporting so even within China the majority of people never hear about these. As for developing maglev, it makes sense for China to do this so that they can sell the technology to other countries and tie them in to long-term contracts. This all seems plausible so we'll just have to wait and see.
Then Hyperloop was mentioned. FFS. A 100-year-old science fiction concept co-opted by Musk as a wet dream and then graciously open sourced for us all. The sooner that entire idea is buried the better.
And why is that? Because it's not economically feasible or profitable for a private company or government?
Neither is chinas high speed rail network in general, yet it still got built and is still being expanded, and more faster systems are being researched and built.
So while it may be bs for the west or any other country, China is not just any other country. China not only has the economy but also the will and the system which allows it to invest and build such mega projects that do not generate profit on their own.
It's like saying roads shouldn't be built since they aren't profitable and the government isn't charging a toll fee for every road. Or saying we shouldn't have police or fire services if they aren't profitable. Some things are just necessary for society and even if not directly profitable in and of itself, it will generate profit and savings many times over in other parts of the economy.. like cheaper, cleaner, safer, transportation costs in general, and saving time which is also a massive cost in itself. It also links up cities provinces like they were cities or suburbs.. basically creating whole new markets in itself where there would not normally be one since before the high speed rail connections, the time and distance involved to travel between cities/provinces would be too great.
For example.. with a 350km/hr train, someone living 350km away from a city could theoretically find a job 350km away from where he lives and it would only take him 1 hour of train travel to get to work. Or 175km away and only 30 min to get to work and 30 min back home. It increases your mobility and feasible daily travel range greatly. Who cares if train itself isn't making money or profit. The cities and related industries will make it back 100 times over in terms of productivity alone.
Also, even if the hyperloop is not feasible currently for mass adoption/rollout, just like the Shanghai maglev was only built over 40km and only one line back in the day, it is still worth it for research and development of world leading technologies which could have applications in many other industries or ideas other than hyper loop or human transport. It could also be put on hold while other technology is developed and then 20-30 years from now, China will deem it viable just like the 600km/hr magleg system is now viable and being built when it originally was restricted to just one 40km line in Shanghai from the airport to the city.
@@ex0duzz Exactly. Don't forget that most of American GDP is currently tied up in a deadweight loss, "The real estate investment system", an asset bubble which replaces useful investment in future growth with artificial scarcity of a legally constrained market, whose peculiarities and imposed limitations are so extreme that they have rendered it unwise for recent generations to ever have children. Under the depredations of housing scarcity, it sure looks handy to just be able to increase by 20x the amount of land area it's feasible for a given employment position to commute to.
Why China is unstoppable???
Because the Chinese they are smart, intelligent plus hardworking. With 1.4 populations such a huge population and yet the average IQ of the country is 104 according to the world IQ index of 2023. 104 and not 76.
I wonder what Your IQ is.
I think if China announced that many lines, they probably found a way to streamline the process and make them cheaper to build, like they always do. That's the strength of China, and that's why they're the factory of the world.
does this mean it's gonna replace bullet trains? Aha... no bullet trains won't get replaced
The only reason rail trains are still in use is due to their ability to carry heavy weight in a way that's economically valuable. Considering the high cost of materials used in maglev in addition to not being able to switch tracks this is not a viable option. Why would China do this? Simply put. Vanity. MiànZi (面子) or Face as we know it, translating there or thereabouts as 'honour', 'reputation' and 'respect' is so important in Chinese social/political/business circles that it can literally make or break a deal. And this is the Chinese government doing this on a global scale.
This is a hilarious cope lmao. There are totally no economics in improving rural urban connectivity or making city to city commute fast 😂 so it must be a Chinese face problem
Fake news 100
@@TheIFork First of all, I didn't say anything about a problem. That's a very western outlook on what face means in places like China. Second of all, I'm not opposed to inserting humor into my comments, as I've done on occasion. As my comment was quite serious in nature. And the fact that you don't see the economics in infrastructure, only leads me to believe that you have failed to take your medication today. So please, take this as a friendly reminder.
@@stancil83 which makes your assertion even weirder. It's like talking about the stiff British upper lip on a video on cleaning the Thames up, yes they have a penchant for toleranting the stink but it's completely irrelevant. There are many factors that go into approving, financing and building a mega project and degrading all of that effort into Mian Zi is laughable. Took my meds but there's a much bigger share for you.
@@TheIFork 对不起，我不是故意冒犯，如果您是中国人。
Hopefully due to the serious safety ramifications of high speed trains China actually upholds some kind of building code, and this infrastructure doesn't fall apart spectacularly like some of their other megaprojects and large scale constructions.
Which ones?
Building code?
Oh, my sweet summer child….
Unstoppable!!!!!
Will it be using a similar technology to their ev sector?
Maglev track is not maintenance free! Coils will fail, power control electronics in the supply fail, etc.
And you absolutely have to keep the track clear. If you have a tree trunk across the track and hit it at 600kph, it's going to be a very big accident. Slower, heavier wheeled trains probably derail, but also stand a good chance of chopping their way through. The lighter, faster MagLev train won't. Ok, so one might elevate the track and ensure that trees won't fall across it, but that doesn't account for the casual vandal who deliberately lobs a lump of concrete up on to the track for the laugh. In some countries that would be an unthinkable act. In others, rather the opposite.
So whilst you lose the skilled rail maintenance workers, you gain a different set of skilled workers and, what's more, you absolutely have to patrol the line to check that it's clear. The drivers won't have a hope of seeing obstacles. Germany stopped work on MagLev partly because they did have one such accident.
China's high speed train network owes its origins to the Japanese Shinkansen. They licensed the track and train technology from Japan (Hitachi I think). They didn't license the signaling technology though, they did that themselves...
I'm pretty sure there will be sophisticated track monitoring to detect any foreign objects.
@@ballyhigh11 Sure, and that too needs to be maintained, tested, certified, etc.
It is amazing what we can achieve when people, industry and government work together to get stuff done.
It also shows what can be done when you don't spend close to a trillion dollar on war and instead use that money to educated and build amazing things that actually benefit your people and the economy at large for generations to come.
Announcements and empty promises are not an achievement. Come back with this comment when this project and work is actually done.
@@watcherit1311did you even watch this video??? You sound so ignorant!!!😂
But China do have a large military budget?
@@GiorniVenibato care to specify where this video mentions that this project is something more than announcements and publicity demos? You know, signs that stuff is actually done and not just promised.
Long-distance mag-levs aren't for making cost-benefit sense. They are for the bribes, boondoggle, and bragging-rights of the evil CCP. (This comment will get deleted by pro-CCP censors.)
LOL. The other edge of "unstoppable" is "runaway train."
What i love about the chinese government is they do first and talk later