You are dealing with people who are so 'oppressed' they have their own political party, TV station, flag, rugby team, soccer league, schools and doctors to name but a few.
National are an embarrassment as bad as labour in this area. When will facts be followed and no facts called out and removed from debate. ACT and NZ First will be the only contenders for next election against the woke extremists
The difference between Tikanga Law and Christianity is, the latter is a matter of choice for individuals who choose to follow it. No one is forced by law to follow Christianity.
Successful past Governments made a choice not to honour Te Tiriti instead they chose to make laws and enforce legislations upon Maori for over a 100yrs and take land , resources, and nearly even succeeded in ending their language. This leaves Maori with no choice but to reclaim back what ever has been left for them to take back. Blame greedy former Governments not the Maori. Karma is a B*TCH ain't it.
@@williamporter5276 problem is, Maori epitomize the old saying, give them an inch and they will take a mile, 200 years on and still whining, the world owes maori nothing, fact is, Maori don't exist anymore, they are all part Maori.
Actually in most countries the law is based on Religious principles none more so than the the English system . With a monarch ordained by the state funded church.
I pity the poor students who study and work hard for five years to get a law degree. It's hard enough for them without having the additional burden of this nonesense imposed on their time.
It's not just law students either... my partner is a tradie who can't physically do his job anymore and is waiting seemingly forever for major spinal surgery. He would love to retrain and teach technology and electronics to kids and pass down his knowledge and experience, but simply won't entertain it after finding out there is apparently a requirement to learn and be proficient in te reo in order to become a teacher. Neither of us understand what the heck te reo has to do with the subject matter at all, nor why it is a requirement. Why on earth is it a requirement to be proficient in a language that has noting to do with the subject matter to become an ENGLISH teacher, or an IT, maths, chemistry or physics teacher? It simply makes zero sense.
I don't think it's fair that anyone should be forced to learn my language or tīkanga/protocols to doing this māori, I will investigate about this whether it's my people that are doing that or the Gov, thank you for your concerns
@@laurapirrit6722 it's a dead language too, not only completely useless overseas, but, completely useless in N.Z. what annoys me more is listening Maoris butcher the English language, then the have the audacity to say we should learn their language. ridiculous and racist !!
How can they say tikanga is the first law of the land when Maori were in different tribes and there was no such thing as a Maori king over all of them? If there was one set of rules then the TOW didn't need to be signed by multiple tribe leaders?
@@ianwatson65 I remember reading how King Charles II used to eat ground up human skulls because he thought it treated seizures. I love those times and how we ate mummies. 4th Gen English here mate, good stuff
My family was brought up with Maori traditions. I don't believe in superstitions and the gods I was learning. I definitely don't believe in the trinity been of one. To Force something on people, especially when it's not their tradition is just utterly wrong. So my thoughts are with that lady, and I dearly hope that more people stand against this outrageous stupidity.
I agree. I loved studying Maori myths and legends as a child in primary school, and I made an effort to learn the meanings behind Maori place names and use Maori bird names. But now in adulthood, it's rammed down people's throats so much that even I have been put off it. It's lost the novelty it had for me because it's forced on us now. I used to take pride in telling tourists about the Maori names for things, but now I avoid it in case they think I'm a crazy woke person.
@@caravanlifenz, I can't remember much of what I was taught as now I'm a adult, I lift all that behind at 13 years old, I'm now 60. Life is what we make of it, and take what one feels right within. Don't let others take anything away from you no matter the situation. Be proud of your knowledge, be proud of yourself and hold your hand high in what choices you make. I appreciate you sharing, thank you.🤗❤
@@tamaashford7196 Wail "victim" again.... it was your own Chiefs who saw their kids would not succeed unless they learnt English and demanded they were made to learn English at school... like all non English speaking settlers of the day Maori got the strap if they did not speak English in school or on the school playground... the strap was not regarded as particularly harsh and was used right up until the 1960's.. Many of us old ones remember the days of "6 of the best" by the teacher which pulled us back into line. The Maori kids used to laugh at it and say they got FAR WORSE at home!.
@@tamaashford7196, absolutely they were. My mum would talk about her times and how she was made a slave, my nan, and so on. The men were sent to fight a white man's war. As much as this is very disgustingly disturbing hearing truth from my nan and mum, these days brings back memories of much sadness. I don't need reminding tama. We were talking about traditions, and this conversation was not a Maori tradition.
And that is being pushed on EVERY school student, and every university student. The new science curriculum identifies Maori spirituality as the explanation for scientific principles, laws, and understandings. So, we are a secular country. We don't allow Christian or Hindu or Muslim spirituality to be regarded as scientific knowledge, but our students are being taught about Maori spirituality as claiming that it has an equality of knowledge.
Exactly. The term tikanga maori, or "maori world view" is just woke nz jumping on the woke world usa version "indigenous world view" which they came up with about native Americans. They are one and the same, a load of romantacising bollocks about how inherently good native people are, and by comparison, how bad white folk are
Akademics need to leave Maori culture alone.... all they have created is confusion amongst all nzers. Uni want to govern Maori tikangi to give out pukenga feathers to tell Maori what tikanga is....Kao Leave our tikanga to our kaumātua! Not akademics💯
i'm sick of this shit, it's about time the government grew some balls, canned all this crap and told Maori that they are just ordinary N.Zers, stop the leeching of taxpayers money.
No your wrong with that story , moriri were a off shoot of Maori who left the main Maori party and then Maori saw them as competition for food ,land, woman and so ran them out to the Chathams but wasn't happy with that and then went over and committed genocide by killing the vast majority of them and then enslaved the the rest they could find and the govt in the 1980,s shelled 18 billion in reperations because under the treaty they were supposed to be protected by the British empire and they werent
Bullshit. Moriori are still here and Polynesians purposefully and successfully navigated and settled a third of the worlds surface. The simpleton bullshit you are trying to peddle has been busted and debunked many times.
Sean, I understand that Christians will in future have the option to choose a Christian caseworker when dealing with deal with WINZ, MSD and the Police.
You will find it's actually the BOT that control the curriculum in the schools and if the BOT decides it's mandatory at their school then it is. Gatekeepers are being placed in all positions of influence.
A better alternative perhaps - Roman law? It used to be included to an extent in law courses. It contributed to an understanding of some foundational legal principles. Better value than what's being proposed I would think.
If we rid our schools of the teaching of Christianity because we insist on the secular nature of our institutions, we can also wave goodbye to Tikanga and DEI. BTW, the Treaty of Waitangi is a political, NOT an ethical document and hence nobody in NZ should be required to sign a Code of Ethics that mandates observance of, or respect for, the Treaty of Waitangi.
@@secondchance6603The most disturbing thing about your opening comment is that you typed it with or without knowing the irony of it. These are troubling times indeed.
Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast from the Cook Islands during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by later waves of Polynesians (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Polynesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced groups arriving from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated to the North East Coast of NZ driven by the South Equatorial Current and were stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life including 10 species of Moa and 46 other bird species, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner
And one wonders while international students are not returning to New Zealand to study. It would be great as an option for those that want to add this to their resume.
Spiritual? I don't want a bar of anyones spirit whose ancestors were cannibals. The only law or principle I knew Maori had was," What's mine is mine, what's yours is mine", which has clearly been chucked onto the treaty, looks like this new government has a fair bit of closet clearing to do. This rubbish has to go.
We hear you buddy, someone the other day said that our English ancestors used to eat mummies and that King Charles II used to eat ground up human skull for seizures.. So not true, damn google stories!
stop handing them billions and assets,..recover it all back to the nz public.....lower taxes. who ever is paying these people out or on kick backs, to to jail,...you are criminals.
Exactly, would rather see my hard earned money go to paying for the leaky homes as more money was spent on that than the treaty settlements. Good call buddy
The further this society moves away from the British heritage (laws, language, customs, etc.), the more we resemble an intellectually impoverished "developing nation" in the Third World.
Exactly, we need to keep our British colonies as English as we can because our country England has turned septic with foreign immigration. It doesn't matter that it's 2024 at all
Someone told me that our ancestors used to eat mummies in the Victorian times and that King Charles II ate crushed human skulls to treat seizures. Now those lies were on google, can't be true is it?. I'm sad now
So much time effort and student loans will go into paying to learn this, if I'm paying for a degree I will learn information that is relevant to that degree only. If lawyers feel they will at times need to represent a person with spiritual elements to the case then they can specialize in that, but to my understanding law is facts based so, if there are no facts to present in a case involving maori spirituality then why learn it, why defend it when there is no fact only perception.
@@tommcg7564 we all know that some lawyers have and market themselves into different spaces within the legal system, in fact if they are more knowledgeable in a particular field that you need representation for makes them a better choice for hiring.
Your ignorance, arrogance or both on show here Maljohn1414... The Tiriti afforded Pakeha and Tauiwi the opportunity to be here in Aotearoa e hoa. School yourself up on the Tiriti, then come back to debate!
I am starting to understand how the Supreme Court allowed a tikanga claim to stand in the Mike Smith vs Naughty Companies case - ok, more specifically said the lower courts should allow the case on merits and not chuck it out due to either the tikanga claim / standing and novel tort. Parliament - your move. The judiciary is waaay off the reservation and needs to have its fundamental guidance restated.
It be long before parts of NZ declare their independence and create a seperate country. South Island would be my pick. The people who don't want to be part of it will experience currency collapse and property value destruction.
the reason is....NZ has signed up to the UN indigenous rights ideology. This means that the Maori can financially benefit from overseeing these new principles. I think perhaps there is a financial incentive for Governments or individuals within governments and departments to drive this forward. Just like with the drug companies and the UN provided financial incentives to have all citizens vaccinated. Its not supposed to convince the public that NZ is making good decisions, we are way passed that. It is so we are seen to be ticking certain boxes on the international stage.
Sean I remember back in the early 90s as a corrections officer, if you did a Maori culture course it superseded the Psychology course that we had to do, to achieve our senior correctional studies. In other words if you did the Maori stuff you didn't have to do the Psychology course you were given that . Its been going on for years check it out Sean true story
Exactly, our common law did a great job on all the colonies we invaded, I don't see why they are upset over that. If they don't like it then leave their country.. simple
There was a lady some years ago who objected to this "Maori cultural sensitivity training" as part of her nursing education at university. There was a helluva a hullabaloo. Does the nursing degree still do it? And what is the feeling of the nursing students and staff around this today, I wonder?
last time in Hospital, yeah they still had to, though Maori had different paths, one lady pissed off she needed to do a 3 or 5 thousand essay on something that weekend , and the Maori just went to the Marae. Now i dont know if pacifica people have to do what one as they are Maori when needed and pacifica when required
Also in care homes they also have to do a yearly competence on the revised treaty being a partnership etc etc and how maori /traditions/language are being intertwined into everyday living
Exactly, My English ancestors didn't rape kill and pillage all over the world for us to put up with this nonsense zang zang. Someone said the other day that my ancestors ate mummies and our beloved King Charles II ate crushed human skulls for seizures. Google is telling too many lies
Tikanga Maori means anything they want it to mean at any given time. The Maoris were quite a number of disparate tribes, often warring with each other. How could they ever have a national code?
Just imagine what would happen if the Australians suddely did the same with the same requirements around forcing aboriginal culture on everyone. I reckon it would result in civil war over there :D
Just like forced injections. How come we don't talk about the people that were here when the first maori arrived. DOC is doing a good job of destroying the evidence of their existence. The Maori are loosing the start of their history in Aotearoa because of it.
I'm going to ask my lawyer if he has done this shit and if he has I will tell him he has no guts how could you trust a lawyer that has given in to this shit if we arnt careful the good lord will flood the world again and lets face it the worlds gone mad so start again 😮
Everyone who has done law in the last 20 years is as woke af anyway. It's just teaching woke to the woke... But I know what maori philosophy means. It's the same as "maori world view", which translates roughly to "a list of reasons why maori are inherently better people than Europeans"
The Maori soaked up Christianity pre colonization like a sponge' when the missionaries arrived!! This an absolute joke! THe reality is if The Maori never wanted Christianity (western law) like the Japanese (didn't) 200 years earlier they would have repelled the missionaries off their shores back in 1815. But they didn't due to their OWN observance and acceptance of Christian law.
@@MyAncestorsCameByBoat-nd1lf many people who went through their degrees in NZ suffering with the added burden of Maori language and culture have also gone overseas. The country will slip into being a banana republic run by completely incompotent Maori that are corrupt as hell......the country is a basket case....
Well it seems to be a festering sore which successive governments have allowed to get worse. Surpise surprise we are going to have a discussion on the treaty principles in this government's term. And there seems to have been also quite some insidious creep in the maorification of life here supported by the previous government. The majority of New Zealanders are unhappy with this i believe. Maybe we should have a referendum so that democracy can decide.🤣
Yeah I agree I dont think it should be infiltrated in to departments everywhere. Regardless this is and will be a favourite topic amongst the show and its viewers and an easy chance to bash Maori as usual. To call out other media for being biased when this show is also biased is just hypocritical
What percentage of full blood tanagtewhenua - indigenous people are actually in the Census that is important, with the percentage that follow a religion: Budda Hindu Tikanga Christian... Is it all based on $$$ subsidies for who in particular or can I dip into both because I have tangata whenua in my blood 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16 1/32 1/64 when does it stop or is it so that we end up having specific passports access to amenities of such? I have always appreciated Maori and the language however 1st generation born here in the 50's it's as though a new race base has morphed from agitators extreme racist ideological based and who are bent on destroying a good democracy. New Zealand stop mirroring other countries, because indigenous appears to be now used as an elitist norm (they exploit it by pouring billions they have into keeping these insidious isms alive by paid employment of human beings to continually agitate aggression hate racist separatist whilst the Elites hid in their underground bunkers with their $$$ grows, destroying nations one by one (New World order agenda)!
I would like to know what the correct cultural response is to being spat at. I would like to know what other cultures around the world value the practice of being spat at. During covid people were arrested for spitting. Why? I want to know what the correct response would have been to being spat at in Maori culture pre 1840. I want to know the tikanga on that. Just so I know what the correct response is should it happen to me. Also, will we begin spitting at international visitors?
Can I ask why you didn't invite someone who is Māori and a lawyer? Why go for a non-māori person who clearly doesn't understand? For starters, he started his kōrero by saying "real law". For Māori, tikanga and kawa are "real laws" and it has a place in Aotearoa. His next answer started off with "in my view". Therefore, he is providing his own opinion. Sean, your bias on guest selection is obvious to us - even as a centre right party voter! I'm Māori, but hold a leadership position in the National Party. Journalism is about locating bothsides of the story, offering it up, for the public to make their own mind up. You're no different from any other media agency pushing their own agenda.
So if Tikanga is Law or if in mainstream Common Law , and a developer wants to build 10 houses next door, i just say Taniwha and it stops, awesome could be useful
I am of māori descent, I don't like how our beliefs, customs are used the way it's with Governt departments and re: Lawers and anything else thats of British creation. Our practices and procedures are not hogwash or anything like that, we are a loving kind human race being Māori and this country would not have its world renowned fame if we weren't the way we were. It would be another English Island that is boring with no heart and uppity snot nose people who think Māori are the problem to this country, if you think that, then DON'T DO ANY HAKA when going overseas in other countries, you can sing GOD SAVE OUR KING i love Aotearoa (New Zealand) and all its colors, but, if you don't like it here because of the Māori, then buy a ticket back to England or wherever, so we can be the best country in the world 🌍
I'm as NZer as you are. You have no right to say if I don't like it I should go. Who gave you the authority to order other NZers what they should do and where they should go? Have you no shame? I stand up against your race base entitlement and how you think you can use your race to bully others and defy democracy. Thanks for exposing your racist entitled nature. The more you talk, the less support you get from people. So keep talking
i agree dont have a problem with your practices and beliefs, but they seem to get eroded, by the "Maori industrial $$$$$ race complex, that seem to highlight all your problems are caused by someone else, and that Maori are useless with out Willie Jackson and Te Pati Maori party ( very belittling )ect ect and that seems to make people wonder why no personal responsibility. Now on the Haka dont care either way if its done or not, im a bit burnt out by the Haka being performed at the arrival of some so called star, or when a new sports ground is opened, seems to have lost its allure as you said in the beginning, being used by a sports team playing a colonised game thats of overseas creation.
@@mephistofleece We are not racist, I am not racist, we are tired of being talked about like we are nobody's, a lot of viewers on this channel and even the host acts like you all have lost something when Māori gain something back from the Crown, but you haven't lost anything, WE NEARLY LOST EVERYTHING,our language, our lands, our identity, WHAT HAVE YOU LOST, TO BE SO BITTER TO MY PEOPLE, WHAT!!! I'm saying, if you don't like us, then buy a ticket and leave, be well of mind, heart and family, don't live in a place that makes you bitter and hateful towards another human being. I'm not racist, nor do I not like people, I love all peoples, but, if we are going to leave together, why not be in peace and harmony, co-existing like the Tiriti/Treaty represents, you cannot change any part of that document, don't you think all other Govs have tried that? Anyway, back to my original response, I don't like my Te Reo and tikanga used on Crown property, New Zealand law or anything, GET RID OF IT, why I say, is because it's not yours and I don't want it forced upon anything or anyone outside of my being.
Good grief to learn Tikanga Maori is basic. In a Legal Environment essential. It also helps you to stop being a Rude Pakeha. Which Pakeha don't notice but everyone else does. Try asking sny Taxi Driver, Waiter, Shop owner..or even just stand in a queue ..the women are worse than the men..so Rude Bad mannered ignorant of Tikanga and manners lawyers we can really do without.
@@StGammon77 Interesting comment. It made me think. I have yet to see in my life in any circumstance a Maori refuse to accept or honour a Christian ceremony or process or even person. Or refuse to be respectful to another cultures beliefs. I never thought about it. I have seen Pakeha even people l know, even children of Christian Ministers horrendously disrespect christians and maori and other indigenous beliefs, ceremony traditions..but you are right. I have never seen a Maori do that.. Interesting..I never thought about that comparison of cultures..
The majority of NZers are not religious, they don't appreciate any religion forced down their throat and no atheist wants to honour any religion or cult. Go be sorry for your own life and stuff you could have been achieving if you did not believe in racist, separatist, voodoo hoodoo from a Stone Age culture. Grow and move on , and certainly don't force your crap down people's throats. Happy holiday@@StGammon77
When are these particular Maori not all Maori going to go along with these great laws themselves. I am sure that Maori don't want to be raped, assulted, killed or robbed. I'm sure they want to ensure they are intelligent enough to live and survive including productive work. So the current laws should work fine unless you are unable to live inside the laws of the land, they protect all of us equally.
Oh well if thats the case for inclusion and equality of outcome maori should be forced to learn my Scottish language from 1088 my Irish language fro 908 and any other languages that the people who live here and were there ancestors came from china,india sweden Thailand etc etc all for inclusion
When is the Government going to get rid of this crap
We have a Woke PM. Never.
You are dealing with people who are so 'oppressed' they have their own political party, TV station, flag, rugby team, soccer league, schools and doctors to name but a few.
Thats up to you my friend, no government is going to do it for you.
@@delinquentinparadise GWGB...Woke PM, Boke Country
National are an embarrassment as bad as labour in this area. When will facts be followed and no facts called out and removed from debate. ACT and NZ First will be the only contenders for next election against the woke extremists
Great interview with Gary, can I quietly thank you Sean for not talking over him as you sometimes do with others. Cheers
but he did
@@kungfutzu3779he normally does alot worse
The difference between Tikanga Law and Christianity is, the latter is a matter of choice for individuals who choose to follow it. No one is forced by law to follow Christianity.
actually your wrong, it was used as a weapon to either join or die. uneducated as expected
nor even to study it
Successful past Governments made a choice not to honour Te Tiriti instead they chose to make laws and enforce legislations upon Maori for over a 100yrs and take land , resources, and nearly even succeeded in ending their language. This leaves Maori with no choice but to reclaim back what ever has been left for them to take back. Blame greedy former Governments not the Maori. Karma is a B*TCH ain't it.
@@williamporter5276 problem is, Maori epitomize the old saying, give them an inch and they will take a mile, 200 years on and still whining, the world owes maori nothing, fact is, Maori don't exist anymore, they are all part Maori.
Actually in most countries the law is based on Religious principles none more so than the the English system . With a monarch ordained by the state funded church.
I pity the poor students who study and work hard for five years to get a law degree. It's hard enough for them without having the additional burden of this nonesense imposed on their time.
It's not just law students either... my partner is a tradie who can't physically do his job anymore and is waiting seemingly forever for major spinal surgery. He would love to retrain and teach technology and electronics to kids and pass down his knowledge and experience, but simply won't entertain it after finding out there is apparently a requirement to learn and be proficient in te reo in order to become a teacher. Neither of us understand what the heck te reo has to do with the subject matter at all, nor why it is a requirement. Why on earth is it a requirement to be proficient in a language that has noting to do with the subject matter to become an ENGLISH teacher, or an IT, maths, chemistry or physics teacher? It simply makes zero sense.
Go back to wea you come from then
I don't think it's fair that anyone should be forced to learn my language or tīkanga/protocols to doing this māori, I will investigate about this whether it's my people that are doing that or the Gov, thank you for your concerns
@@kri-m19 They are not learning Te Reo. It is a Course in Tikanga Maori.
Basic especially for anyone entering the Law profession..
@@laurapirrit6722 it's a dead language too, not only completely useless overseas, but, completely useless in N.Z. what annoys me more is listening Maoris butcher the English language, then the have the audacity to say we should learn their language. ridiculous and racist !!
My God What next please tell me the new government is going to stop this bull shit. Australia is looking good mate
Well, f*ck then!!!!!
@JamesDio-yu5yd Was that off. It matches your intelligence , cant even throw an insult. Maybe reading English should be compulsory for some.
@@JG-us9lu just f*uk off go cry some where else.
@JG-us9lu it wasn't an insult
@@JamesDio-yu5yd Wasnt it?
The real estate authority should have no right to force somebody else's culture on to somebody else who is not of that culture
Some people may need jail sentences to remind them that refusing to accept election results is not legal.
What??!! Did you read that before you submitted that?
Let's hope that the new government, will get rid of this BS.
Don't get your hopes up.
This coalition Government and past successful Governments created this BS by not honouring Te Tiriti .
Unfortunately they are imploding
All this nonsense stops when the majority say no
That's called mob rule..
Just like against the Jews in Europe, I get it
Parliament declares the law, not the courts. Courts only decide cases where the law is not clear
How can they say tikanga is the first law of the land when Maori were in different tribes and there was no such thing as a Maori king over all of them? If there was one set of rules then the TOW didn't need to be signed by multiple tribe leaders?
How? Simple: "An unexciting truth may be eclipsed by a thrilling lie." - Aldous Huxley (Brave New World)
i think the first law was eat or be eaten
Obviously you have no idea of the cultural homogeneity of Polynesians. Do some research and stop guessing.
@@ianwatson65 I remember reading how King Charles II used to eat ground up human skulls because he thought it treated seizures. I love those times and how we ate mummies. 4th Gen English here mate, good stuff
My family was brought up with Maori traditions.
I don't believe in superstitions and the gods I was learning.
I definitely don't believe in the trinity been of one.
To Force something on people, especially when it's not their tradition is just utterly wrong.
So my thoughts are with that lady, and I dearly hope that more people stand against this outrageous stupidity.
I agree. I loved studying Maori myths and legends as a child in primary school, and I made an effort to learn the meanings behind Maori place names and use Maori bird names. But now in adulthood, it's rammed down people's throats so much that even I have been put off it. It's lost the novelty it had for me because it's forced on us now. I used to take pride in telling tourists about the Maori names for things, but now I avoid it in case they think I'm a crazy woke person.
Now you know how our parents were forced to speak English, they were strap at school
@@caravanlifenz,
I can't remember much of what I was taught as now I'm a adult, I lift all that behind at 13 years old, I'm now 60.
Life is what we make of it, and take what one feels right within.
Don't let others take anything away from you no matter the situation.
Be proud of your knowledge,
be proud of yourself and hold your hand high in what choices you make.
I appreciate you sharing, thank you.🤗❤
@@tamaashford7196 Wail "victim" again.... it was your own Chiefs who saw their kids would not succeed unless they learnt English and demanded they were made to learn English at school... like all non English speaking settlers of the day Maori got the strap if they did not speak English in school or on the school playground... the strap was not regarded as particularly harsh and was used right up until the 1960's.. Many of us old ones remember the days of "6 of the best" by the teacher which pulled us back into line. The Maori kids used to laugh at it and say they got FAR WORSE at home!.
@@tamaashford7196, absolutely they were. My mum would talk about her times and how she was made a slave, my nan, and so on. The men were sent to fight a white man's war. As much as this is very disgustingly disturbing hearing truth from my nan and mum, these days brings back memories of much sadness. I don't need reminding tama.
We were talking about traditions, and this conversation was not a Maori tradition.
What’s next for us ?Compulsory training on Sharia law for our lawyers
Well it does remind me of Sharia Law. This is utter BS.
No we'll never satisfy the maori needs .
@@Gary-i9f They already have all they need now they are after everything else.
Dumb comment. Is there a Treaty with Muslims...no there is not.
@@Gary-i9fHonor the Treaty...SIMPLE.
And that is being pushed on EVERY school student, and every university student. The new science curriculum identifies Maori spirituality as the explanation for scientific principles, laws, and understandings. So, we are a secular country. We don't allow Christian or Hindu or Muslim spirituality to be regarded as scientific knowledge, but our students are being taught about Maori spirituality as claiming that it has an equality of knowledge.
The Maoris chose Tikanga Christianity
Why is no body talking about the elephant in the room,the UN Indigenous agenda this is why its all aloud to happen🤔🤔
Exactly. The term tikanga maori, or "maori world view" is just woke nz jumping on the woke world usa version "indigenous world view" which they came up with about native Americans.
They are one and the same, a load of romantacising bollocks about how inherently good native people are, and by comparison, how bad white folk are
Te What Te Who Te Where Te Kaka !! More Leftardo Woke BS. Get NZ First on the case. You cannot force Maori on no one !! Grow up.
But you can Pākēha huh?
@@maorifilmits superior.
@@schlookie to what, noodles....
@@maorifilm your inferiority complex is showing there Morty.
Akademics need to leave Maori culture alone.... all they have created is confusion amongst all nzers. Uni want to govern Maori tikangi to give out pukenga feathers to tell Maori what tikanga is....Kao
Leave our tikanga to our kaumātua! Not akademics💯
The socialist academics are working hard at the devide and conquer part of the socialist take over.
Considering there was no law in NZ before the english came here, why pay consideration to maori law when the only law here was violence🤨
Agree 💯
wrong, there was law, this is just testament to your ignorance, convenient how yoour people killed this off
@@kingdavid3066 if there were laws why did the stringest enslave and eat their neighbours? Not strong laws yeah? Seems you are indoctrinated or wrong
GREAT POINT !!
There definitely were law here before the english came. Hahaha to your final statement… naivety at its best
very interesting, thank you again for your time Gary, always worth a listen
i'm sick of this shit, it's about time the government grew some balls, canned all this crap and told Maori that they are just ordinary N.Zers, stop the leeching of taxpayers money.
Remember a couple of decades ago that we were going through hanging land etc back to Maori and when it was done that would be the last of it....
100% ARGREED!! SICK of this maori ideology fantasy religion!!
@@pauldansby8285yeah, 'god' defend NZ, and the king...oh, and Santa..oh and the Easter bunny....oh a.......
Totally 100%
It's not even most Maori. It's just a few loud fanatics that have more influence than has been earned. Just stop this crap.
If the law was in soil why do maori commit so much crime?
😂😂😂
Their food was cooked in the ground (cuzy bros included).
Is it a case of Monkey see monkey do ? you to taught them to steal lie and swear wasn't your pm just caught fiddling the rent supplement. ?
Most of the crime committed in NZ is by people with European ancestry, conditioned and raised with Eurocentric values....FACT.
Why does anyone bother these days? Maori culture is not my culture and never will be.
Don't forget folks - maoris blew here with the wind , and wiped out the indigenous mori ori for food
No your wrong with that story , moriri were a off shoot of Maori who left the main Maori party and then Maori saw them as competition for food ,land, woman and so ran them out to the Chathams but wasn't happy with that and then went over and committed genocide by killing the vast majority of them and then enslaved the the rest they could find and the govt in the 1980,s shelled 18 billion in reperations because under the treaty they were supposed to be protected by the British empire and they werent
Bullshit. Moriori are still here and Polynesians purposefully and successfully navigated and settled a third of the worlds surface. The simpleton bullshit you are trying to peddle has been busted and debunked many times.
Sean, I understand that Christians will in future have the option to choose a Christian caseworker when dealing with deal with WINZ, MSD and the Police.
Damn straight they should have that option. So should rastafarians :D
And I want a knight crusader
Got to keep the snout in the wallet some how .
It's more about brainwashing than money in this instance.
@@grantadamson3478 forcing the relevance
NZ's infrastructure and economy was grown with proceeds of stolen Maori land and resources.
It's apartied plain & simple
So why is it compulsory in schools too?
One may ask that!
You will find it's actually the BOT that control the curriculum in the schools and if the BOT decides it's mandatory at their school then it is. Gatekeepers are being placed in all positions of influence.
Well that would be their straw man argument " you did it to us"
Much easier to brainwash the young than the old.
You mean them ah!
A better alternative perhaps - Roman law? It used to be included to an extent in law courses. It contributed to an understanding of some foundational legal principles. Better value than what's being proposed I would think.
Very interesting and 'out there' suggestion.
If we rid our schools of the teaching of Christianity because we insist on the secular nature of our institutions, we can also wave goodbye to Tikanga and DEI. BTW, the Treaty of Waitangi is a political, NOT an ethical document and hence nobody in NZ should be required to sign a Code of Ethics that mandates observance of, or respect for, the Treaty of Waitangi.
Traditional Maori law “might is right”
That didn’t take long.
Meanwhile back in Gaza.
@@Marius_vanderLubbe Do they have Maori law over there? The more you know.
@@secondchance6603The most disturbing thing about your opening comment is that you typed it with or without knowing the irony of it. These are troubling times indeed.
🤣🤣@@Marius_vanderLubbe
@@derektitch😄.
Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast from the Cook Islands during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by later waves of Polynesians (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Polynesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced groups arriving from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated to the North East Coast of NZ driven by the South Equatorial Current and were stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life including 10 species of Moa and 46 other bird species, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner
Well said. Pity MSM dont publish some facts like this. Rathrrvthan the fiction that is fed to our young and naive.
And then you WOKE up and realised it was another racist wet dream😅😂🤣😅😂😍
How much did they in the position to put forward these laws, get paid. What is this setting up for future abuse. Absolutely incredulous.
While we are at it
Let’s add Sharia Law
as well
Put it under urgency and it's in
And one wonders while international students are not returning to New Zealand to study. It would be great as an option for those that want to add this to their resume.
We're too expensive. It was always an economic or backdoor residency reason.
They are coming back to learn tikanga and other aspects of stone age cultures
Spiritual? I don't want a bar of anyones spirit whose ancestors were cannibals. The only law or principle I knew Maori had was," What's mine is mine, what's yours is mine", which has clearly been chucked onto the treaty, looks like this new government has a fair bit of closet clearing to do. This rubbish has to go.
again, the mind of an idiot speaking. your acting like your people killing children was okay
We hear you buddy, someone the other day said that our English ancestors used to eat mummies and that King Charles II used to eat ground up human skull for seizures.. So not true, damn google stories!
stop handing them billions and assets,..recover it all back to the nz public.....lower taxes.
who ever is paying these people out or on kick backs, to to jail,...you are criminals.
Exactly, would rather see my hard earned money go to paying for the leaky homes as more money was spent on that than the treaty settlements. Good call buddy
So wrong on every level! Terrible breach of the Treaty this shit has to be shut down as psychological harassment and bullying!!
but segreagation and gentrification by the govt was okay huh
Insurgency!
What shall we do? how do we start?
So gang members might be able to mount a defence against a murder charge of utu, being a universal norm of traditional Maori values.
Yippee lets dismantle common law and go back to having special clerical courts for our religious leaders.
The further this society moves away from the British heritage (laws, language, customs, etc.), the more we resemble an intellectually impoverished "developing nation" in the Third World.
Exactly, we need to keep our British colonies as English as we can because our country England has turned septic with foreign immigration. It doesn't matter that it's 2024 at all
Hey did they teach you that it was Maori spiritual practice to eat other humans until the 1950s? They prefered young children.
Someone told me that our ancestors used to eat mummies in the Victorian times and that King Charles II ate crushed human skulls to treat seizures. Now those lies were on google, can't be true is it?. I'm sad now
So much time effort and student loans will go into paying to learn this, if I'm paying for a degree I will learn information that is relevant to that degree only. If lawyers feel they will at times need to represent a person with spiritual elements to the case then they can specialize in that, but to my understanding law is facts based so, if there are no facts to present in a case involving maori spirituality then why learn it, why defend it when there is no fact only perception.
Why would you hire any academic who does not have the full capacity and capability to learn?
@@tommcg7564 we all know that some lawyers have and market themselves into different spaces within the legal system, in fact if they are more knowledgeable in a particular field that you need representation for makes them a better choice for hiring.
@@tommcg7564 may be a good question for parliamentary services and universities.
@tommcg7564 learn what?
to learn new things dopey. Particularly the indigenous language of the place you live in@@StGammon77
maori mumbo jumbo
racist vegetable
@@kingdavid3066 stick your religion in your own teke . Too mecki
@@kingdavid3066 Thank you for admitting it, try to be a better person.
On behalf of 1st indigenous natives of Aotearoa New Zealand
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NEW ZEALAND the end, one man one vote . Torch The Treaty or our country will become just another third world toilet.
Your ignorance, arrogance or both on show here Maljohn1414... The Tiriti afforded Pakeha and Tauiwi the opportunity to be here in Aotearoa e hoa. School yourself up on the Tiriti, then come back to debate!
@@hakituaupiki9748 what a tosser
Your not wrong there
@@hakituaupiki9748 get a life
@@hakituaupiki9748 grow up get a life
All this will do is make people more intolerant to Maori language and culture.
I am starting to understand how the Supreme Court allowed a tikanga claim to stand in the Mike Smith vs Naughty Companies case - ok, more specifically said the lower courts should allow the case on merits and not chuck it out due to either the tikanga claim / standing and novel tort.
Parliament - your move. The judiciary is waaay off the reservation and needs to have its fundamental guidance restated.
It be long before parts of NZ declare their independence and create a seperate country. South Island would be my pick. The people who don't want to be part of it will experience currency collapse and property value destruction.
Civil war you reckon? You sound cool
the reason is....NZ has signed up to the UN indigenous rights ideology. This means that the Maori can financially benefit from overseeing these new principles. I think perhaps there is a financial incentive for Governments or individuals within governments and departments to drive this forward. Just like with the drug companies and the UN provided financial incentives to have all citizens vaccinated. Its not supposed to convince the public that NZ is making good decisions, we are way passed that. It is so we are seen to be ticking certain boxes on the international stage.
Sean I remember back in the early 90s as a corrections officer, if you did a Maori culture course it superseded the Psychology course that we had to do, to achieve our senior correctional studies. In other words if you did the Maori stuff you didn't have to do the Psychology course you were given that . Its been going on for years check it out Sean true story
The common law of new zealand is Tikanga...it's the law of the Land get used to it.
The principles of the treaty established that British common law was the NZ legal system.
Exactly, our common law did a great job on all the colonies we invaded, I don't see why they are upset over that. If they don't like it then leave their country.. simple
There was a lady some years ago who objected to this "Maori cultural sensitivity training" as part of her nursing education at university. There was a helluva a hullabaloo. Does the nursing degree still do it? And what is the feeling of the nursing students and staff around this today, I wonder?
last time in Hospital, yeah they still had to, though Maori had different paths, one lady pissed off she needed to do a 3 or 5 thousand essay on something that weekend , and the Maori just went to the Marae.
Now i dont know if pacifica people have to do what one as they are Maori when needed and pacifica when required
Every Nurse has to write up this bullshiť to get their Portfolio signed off. The Portfolio has nothing to do how competent you are.
Nurses have to attend Treaty courses and acknowledge the gods of the underworld. I want Pakeha hospitals
Also in care homes they also have to do a yearly competence on the revised treaty being a partnership etc etc and how maori /traditions/language are being intertwined into everyday living
Yet another load of clap trap....my goodness does the Maori world have people deliberately making all this nonsense up as we go ? ...Its a joke...
yes, i refer you to the T.O.W.
Thanks Linda, my ancestors arrived in 1839 from England and we still can't get the natives to leave our new country NZ.
Wasn't Maori law whoever had the biggest club?
Patu or mere please. Even I learned this in primary school
Miltia I think It's called those days
Point Chevalier state primary has taught Maori religion as the truth for years. Kids are told that the Maori creation story is true.
What a joke that is
They can make you go to the propaganda sessions, but they can't make you take it seriously!
Meanwhile they suck up funds and learn that bullying pays
Much easier to be a tax taker than a tax maker.@@mephistofleece
@@mephistofleece Yes, that is the problem, but at least they're probably not converting many people to their views.
Have a look at the planned standards for nurses.
But maoris had no law ! Slavey , pillaging and cannibalism were the law of the land until the arrival of civilisation
Not quite but keep trying
They had no alphabet, didn't have the wheel, were a slave society and were cannibals. The only "law" they had was utu.
Exactly, My English ancestors didn't rape kill and pillage all over the world for us to put up with this nonsense zang zang. Someone said the other day that my ancestors ate mummies and our beloved King Charles II ate crushed human skulls for seizures. Google is telling too many lies
Tikanga Maori means anything they want it to mean at any given time. The Maoris were quite a number of disparate tribes, often warring with each other. How could they ever have a national code?
We didn't come over here to invade, it was our right just like all over the world.. our rules, it's in our English DNA
And the woke shite continues
Just imagine what would happen if the Australians suddely did the same with the same requirements around forcing aboriginal culture on everyone. I reckon it would result in civil war over there :D
All lawyers are compelled to recite all chapter and verse of Genesis while kneeling
Just like forced injections. How come we don't talk about the people that were here when the first maori arrived. DOC is doing a good job of destroying the evidence of their existence. The Maori are loosing the start of their history in Aotearoa because of it.
I'm going to ask my lawyer if he has done this shit and if he has I will tell him he has no guts how could you trust a lawyer that has given in to this shit if we arnt careful the good lord will flood the world again and lets face it the worlds gone mad so start again 😮
Maybe it's just you've gone mad. Trying to hold on to a obsolete version of reality.😮
You need to discuss the law societies submission on the use of urgency in parliament.
The lore of the land
I would like to know what the correct way of doing everything is so that I can behave correctly. That’s tikanga.
Better the devil you know, friends close enemies closer. Gotta know what you’re up against
What the hell does tekana have to do with selling a house ?
Well, the houses are on Maori Sovereign land they say
Imagine in America if they forced everyone to speak red indian lol. And changed the name of NY grand central to Waitemata
This is totally bs get rid native spelling all over the show
nah you can go to aussie
please try again, you sentence doesn't make sense, you are embarrassing us english with your spelling.
Everyone who has done law in the last 20 years is as woke af anyway. It's just teaching woke to the woke... But I know what maori philosophy means. It's the same as "maori world view", which translates roughly to "a list of reasons why maori are inherently better people than Europeans"
Maori laws?
" If you k*ll them, all is yours". That's about what it was in the stone ages
This absolute nonsense must be reversed by the Coalition Government
The Maori soaked up Christianity pre colonization like a sponge' when the missionaries arrived!! This an absolute joke! THe reality is if The Maori never wanted Christianity (western law) like the Japanese (didn't) 200 years earlier they would have repelled the missionaries off their shores back in 1815. But they didn't due to their OWN observance and acceptance of Christian law.
Living anywhere but in NZ with all that bullshit looks pretty good....
Bye
@@MyAncestorsCameByBoat-nd1lf already left the shithole 6 years ago....😂
@@MyAncestorsCameByBoat-nd1lf many people who went through their degrees in NZ suffering with the added burden of Maori language and culture have also gone overseas. The country will slip into being a banana republic run by completely incompotent Maori that are corrupt as hell......the country is a basket case....
The Platfrom with there usual favourite subject to talk about 😂😂
Well it seems to be a festering sore which successive governments have allowed to get worse. Surpise surprise we are going to have a discussion on the treaty principles in this government's term. And there seems to have been also quite some insidious creep in the maorification of life here supported by the previous government. The majority of New Zealanders are unhappy with this i believe. Maybe we should have a referendum so that democracy can decide.🤣
Yeah I agree I dont think it should be infiltrated in to departments everywhere. Regardless this is and will be a favourite topic amongst the show and its viewers and an easy chance to bash Maori as usual. To call out other media for being biased when this show is also biased is just hypocritical
peter elis case tikanga don brash hobsons pledge.....doesnt really make sense
Learn Latin, so many in this country are fluent, or becoming so, and speaking Latin every day.
Well it does have a solid use in science across the planet, so yeah, good idea.
Indian be a better bet
What percentage of full blood tanagtewhenua - indigenous people are actually in the Census that is important, with the percentage that follow a religion: Budda Hindu Tikanga Christian...
Is it all based on $$$ subsidies for who in particular or can I dip into both
because I have tangata whenua in my blood 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16 1/32 1/64 when does it stop or is it so that we end up having specific passports access to amenities of such?
I have always appreciated Maori and the language however 1st generation born here in the 50's it's as though a new race base has morphed from agitators extreme racist ideological based and who are bent on destroying a good democracy. New Zealand stop mirroring other countries, because indigenous appears to be now used as an elitist norm (they exploit it by pouring billions they have into keeping these insidious isms alive by paid employment of human beings to continually agitate aggression hate racist separatist whilst the Elites hid in their underground bunkers with their $$$ grows, destroying nations one by one (New World order agenda)!
Two words
So the Maoris have their own law now
Because they use maori language, every word should be translated. Not fair if you don't know what they say. Or is that the point.
The Ombudsman is to old to do his job ? Really. Where did you dig this fossil up from Sean to talk on your show😂😂😂
Shameful, antisocial.
I would like to know what the correct cultural response is to being spat at. I would like to know what other cultures around the world value the practice of being spat at. During covid people were arrested for spitting. Why? I want to know what the correct response would have been to being spat at in Maori culture pre 1840. I want to know the tikanga on that. Just so I know what the correct response is should it happen to me. Also, will we begin spitting at international visitors?
Crap😮
Can I ask why you didn't invite someone who is Māori and a lawyer? Why go for a non-māori person who clearly doesn't understand? For starters, he started his kōrero by saying "real law". For Māori, tikanga and kawa are "real laws" and it has a place in Aotearoa. His next answer started off with "in my view". Therefore, he is providing his own opinion. Sean, your bias on guest selection is obvious to us - even as a centre right party voter! I'm Māori, but hold a leadership position in the National Party. Journalism is about locating bothsides of the story, offering it up, for the public to make their own mind up. You're no different from any other media agency pushing their own agenda.
What a load of BS!!!
As the engineers laugh and rub their shekelmiester hands 👏
bla bla bla bla oliver and the coalition supporters you lose @speeddemon nothing to do with leaching taxpayers money stick to the script
mmmmm...spiritual law....mmmm..define spiritual?
Tikanga is law and is authentic to this nation. If you have no Maoritanga its just a cheap version of Europe
So if Tikanga is Law or if in mainstream Common Law , and a developer wants to build 10 houses next door, i just say Taniwha and it stops, awesome could be useful
@@derektitch you’re ignorance and racism exudes from your pores
Good. It is essential for every warm body kiwi to master Maori language and culture. Woke? So be it.
nah.. nope, niet
It was a fabricated set of written noises based on the English language with many additions that are English words spelt wrong, hardly official
I am of māori descent, I don't like how our beliefs, customs are used the way it's with Governt departments and re: Lawers and anything else thats of British creation.
Our practices and procedures are not hogwash or anything like that, we are a loving kind human race being Māori and this country would not have its world renowned fame if we weren't the way we were. It would be another English Island that is boring with no heart and uppity snot nose people who think Māori are the problem to this country, if you think that, then DON'T DO ANY HAKA when going overseas in other countries, you can sing GOD SAVE OUR KING
i love Aotearoa (New Zealand) and all its colors, but, if you don't like it here because of the Māori, then buy a ticket back to England or wherever, so we can be the best country in the world 🌍
tautoko te korero kia koe, whakarongomai ra i nga ranagatiratanga
I'm as NZer as you are. You have no right to say if I don't like it I should go. Who gave you the authority to order other NZers what they should do and where they should go? Have you no shame?
I stand up against your race base entitlement and how you think you can use your race to bully others and defy democracy. Thanks for exposing your racist entitled nature. The more you talk, the less support you get from people. So keep talking
We are just as NZers as you are. You don't get to tell us what to do. Your racism will cost your kind dearly
i agree dont have a problem with your practices and beliefs, but they seem to get eroded, by the "Maori industrial $$$$$ race complex, that seem to highlight all your problems are caused by someone else, and that Maori are useless with out Willie Jackson and Te Pati Maori party ( very belittling )ect ect and that seems to make people wonder why no personal responsibility.
Now on the Haka dont care either way if its done or not, im a bit burnt out by the Haka being performed at the arrival of some so called star, or when a new sports ground is opened, seems to have lost its allure as you said in the beginning, being used by a sports team playing a colonised game thats of overseas creation.
@@mephistofleece We are not racist, I am not racist, we are tired of being talked about like we are nobody's, a lot of viewers on this channel and even the host acts like you all have lost something when Māori gain something back from the Crown, but you haven't lost anything, WE NEARLY LOST EVERYTHING,our language, our lands, our identity, WHAT HAVE YOU LOST, TO BE SO BITTER TO MY PEOPLE, WHAT!!! I'm saying, if you don't like us, then buy a ticket and leave, be well of mind, heart and family, don't live in a place that makes you bitter and hateful towards another human being.
I'm not racist, nor do I not like people, I love all peoples, but, if we are going to leave together, why not be in peace and harmony, co-existing like the Tiriti/Treaty represents, you cannot change any part of that document, don't you think all other Govs have tried that?
Anyway, back to my original response, I don't like my Te Reo and tikanga used on Crown property, New Zealand law or anything, GET RID OF IT, why I say, is because it's not yours and I don't want it forced upon anything or anyone outside of my being.
Good grief to learn Tikanga Maori is basic. In a Legal Environment essential. It also helps you to stop being a Rude Pakeha.
Which Pakeha don't notice but everyone else does.
Try asking sny Taxi Driver, Waiter, Shop owner..or even just stand in a queue ..the women are worse than the men..so Rude Bad mannered ignorant of Tikanga and manners lawyers we can really do without.
I'm not white and speak for most of us here... no thanks. Keep your Stone Age rubbish to yourself.
Tikanga can apply to any religion, most Maoris are tikanga Christianity which is what the Chiefs chose sorry that you don't want to honour them
@@StGammon77 Interesting comment.
It made me think. I have yet to see in my life in any circumstance a Maori refuse to accept or honour a Christian ceremony or process or even person. Or refuse to be respectful to another cultures beliefs.
I never thought about it. I have seen Pakeha even people l know, even children of Christian Ministers horrendously disrespect christians and maori and other indigenous beliefs, ceremony traditions..but you are right.
I have never seen a Maori do that..
Interesting..I never thought about that comparison of cultures..
The majority of NZers are not religious, they don't appreciate any religion forced down their throat and no atheist wants to honour any religion or cult. Go be sorry for your own life and stuff you could have been achieving if you did not believe in racist, separatist, voodoo hoodoo from a Stone Age culture. Grow and move on , and certainly don't force your crap down people's throats. Happy holiday@@StGammon77
When are these particular Maori not all Maori going to go along with these great laws themselves. I am sure that Maori don't want to be raped, assulted, killed or robbed. I'm sure they want to ensure they are intelligent enough to live and survive including productive work. So the current laws should work fine unless you are unable to live inside the laws of the land, they protect all of us equally.
Oh well if thats the case for inclusion and equality of outcome maori should be forced to learn my Scottish language from 1088 my Irish language fro 908 and any other languages that the people who live here and were there ancestors came from china,india sweden Thailand etc etc all for inclusion
Far cough uke hunts.....never.