So, the singular guy with the world record number of Titanic dives is de facto endorsing this company by agreeing to dive with them? It seems to me that the relatives of the other victims should be suing his estate for misrepresentation and depraved indifference. He was the only person on-board who should have known better. He should have said, “This shit seems like a bad idea.” Hey, if this experienced guy has no fear, why should I worry? It’s such an awful mess for everyone involved. Hearts and prayers.
They knew exactly what the dangers were getting on that submarine and signed waivers. If anything their families should pay us taxpayers back for all the money that was wasted searching for those idiots.🙄🤦♀️
Respectfully disagree. They were assured over and over that the sub was safe…and it wasn’t. Rush went to great lengths to prevent people from changing their minds about diving in it. The lawsuit is valid in my opinion.
The ppl on board knew the risk getting into this tuna can. When ppl paid to take these trips, Stockton gave them tours of the submersible. He showed them the game controllers, told them it was experimental and not certified. There are so many videos of Stockton doing interviews stating the dangers and he is criticized by the interviewer. They all knew they could die and they signed a waiver.
If you've seen Titanic and the James Cameron Titanic Documentary, why in HELL would you want to dive 2 miles down in a POP CAN? Billionaires have pathetic egos.
I'm no lawyer but i don't think the waivers are worth the paper they're written on. If you can prove negligence and false data etc. And this story is full of both. That said, good luck in court, i think it's a disbanded company and all the players will throw each other under the bus.
I think this guy is also guilty since he was a diving expert and he knew Rush was taking shortcuts. I think the other families could sue his estate since people also trusted him that submersible was safe.
Nargolet was NOT a lay person. He was a seasoned explorer that should've understood about the risks. The only person that probably had no clue was the 19-year-old son of the rich guy whose father thought it would be great to bond with his son some 12,500 feet below the sea in what essentially was a garbage can.
They all signed a waiver, it literally mentioned “death” 10 times and nonetheless they all signed it either way that’s what waivers are for, to remind you of the risks, and these five men, all sign the risk of what it was like to travel below 12,000 feet to the bottom of the ocean, no one should be held accountable, but the five men that died, all five of them were adults, even the 19-year-old, when I was 19 years old, I even knew better, it’s all on them that they died, you cannot blame the company, they warmed these five men either way either way fault enough said
We can only speculate ,but I think you overlook snake oil salesman Rush ; what he must have said to convince Harding and PH to go down in that obvious death trap (both had been on certified subs and should have known better-the differences must have screamed at them!) Harding would have had the routine warnings when going down in Triton-a certified and tried and tested deep sea submesible and I imagine Rush convinced that his waivers were nothing more than that; dismissing the waiver as red tape demanded by the closed shop industry hostile to innovation/new kids on the block and adding the clincher "Would I be going down in it if it wasn't safe?" I would still think with their experience Harding and PH would have had nagging doubts but foolishly risked it. The lawsuit I would think is more to do with closing every loophole Rush exploited-evading certification/diving in international waters to evade regulation/re naming paying tourists as "mission specialists" again to evade legalities(the teenagers mission for the good of science was to see if he could solve a rubiks cube in record time-a real boon for eco science!) I doubt if Oceangate has $5 let alone $50m ,but the claim will effectively mean it and its people can never engage in deep sea/any sea submersible trips. Perhaps a law forbidding any company to take anyone bar their own staff down in untested sub's will emerge. Rush was an expert BS merchant. Take his claim that his death trap was so innovative it was ahead of regulation! NOTHING is ahead of regulation -regulation requires testing-according to Rush if I'd created a deep sea sub made of cardboard held together by bailing twine I'd be "Ahead of regulation"
I’m literally obsessed with this story even a year later, I know every fact about it, I’ve hacked into the website to even find out what even happened through this story.
I really feel sorry for them. Either way, it must’ve been horrible to go through. I actually have empathy for what those five men went through. It must’ve been horrifying and evil. At the same time, the nature of this world can be so cruel and evil to human beings….
@@pforce9 bro, these guys were turned into molecules less than 5 ms, imagine all the people that are sitting there laughing at them, they were literally screaming and crying and puking all over themselves, and the people on the surface were just“laughing” at them like a joke, makes me sick…
Oceangate never had substantial post hull integrity analysis on the submersible after each dive. Also the thing was never rated too withstand the continued compression of the depths they were diving. Carbon Fiber can and does fissure and crack under loads and it is likely that the vehicle had several such compromises when she made her final dive. Pure unadulterated Gross negligence on behalf of Oceangate. They did not insure by Scientific inspection that their vehicle was safe for each individual dive.
So many things can be said of how awful this design was The thing I believe the worst as far as terrifying for the passengers I don't believe it imploded right away I think the cracking noises was it delaminating and a blister forming Would've been very apparent they was going to die Losing buoyancy and not having any way to drop dive weight The Trieste: let's use electromags to hold dive weight so even in the event of power failure it will drop Rush: ahhh just have some rope to rot off Smh
Modern deep submersibles use composites for gas tanks they are the same pressure inside as out They use composites to reduce weight requiring less gasoline You just don't do what he did
@@terranovarain6570I’ve also read that the Titan would’ve tilted vertical with the porthole side facing down so all of them would have fell on top of each other as it sank.
They all signed a waiver that said in it 6 times you may die and this is an experimental vessel. Him of all the other passengers I feel should have known the most about the whole operation. Everything they state in the bogus lawsuit he would have known about and he didn't care.
But if you actually want some facts, they were actually 10,000 feet down, before they started experiencing trouble, they were still 2000 feet above the titanic, 10,000 feet down and they aborted the mission and they tried to come up to the surface,about 10 minutes after that, they imploded, trust me I have been studying about this story for the past year and I know very much about it
Lol. Suing over their most likely non exisent distress before they were obliterated in hundredths of a second. Ok. I look forward to the next "disturbing" revelation. The verdict, that is.
Bro, they were literally screaming themselves to death, I even said, that they knew that we were going to die back in June 20 23 before all of this stuff was even leaked out, I knew that they released the ballast to their sub, I knew that they were prepared to die, I have been telling everyone this for the past year, “they knew they were going to die“ everyone said oh “it was quick and they didn’t even know it was coming, but they knew it was coming, they knew that they were going to die, and I just hate how everyone said that they didn’t know what was coming to them, because they exactly knew what was coming to them. They knew that they were going to die.
Do you think this lawsuit will go anywhere?
Yes 100% because the passengers couldn't consent to what they didn't know about the flawed sub
Suing because their last few moments were terrifying? The whole experience would be terrifying, even if it didn't implode.
No suing because of the carbon fiber haul. Ocean gate knew that had issues and still continued with operations.
It dropped like an arrow after losing power and the last minute was spent in dark piled up in the makeshift bathroom up front
So, the singular guy with the world record number of Titanic dives is de facto endorsing this company by agreeing to dive with them?
It seems to me that the relatives of the other victims should be suing his estate for misrepresentation and depraved indifference. He was the only person on-board who should have known better. He should have said, “This shit seems like a bad idea.”
Hey, if this experienced guy has no fear, why should I worry?
It’s such an awful mess for everyone involved. Hearts and prayers.
He was so impressed with himself tossing around that game controller.
Can't sue for things you're responsible for yourself
The last thought of 4 of them was, “Who shit their pants?”!
They knew exactly what the dangers were getting on that submarine and signed waivers. If anything their families should pay us taxpayers back for all the money that was wasted searching for those idiots.🙄🤦♀️
they didn't know about the audible cracking.
@@wim0104that correct. With it's last doomed voyage, that probably was the sign within minutes ,it was going to implode from that "Crackling" noise.
Respectfully disagree. They were assured over and over that the sub was safe…and it wasn’t. Rush went to great lengths to prevent people from changing their minds about diving in it. The lawsuit is valid in my opinion.
You don’t use carbon fiber to go three thousand feet under the ocean it’s carbon fiber it’s going to break im surprised it didn’t explode sooner
They had a whole bunch of failed dives , canceled dates cause of weather and so on. This would have happened sooner.
The ppl on board knew the risk getting into this tuna can. When ppl paid to take these trips, Stockton gave them tours of the submersible. He showed them the game controllers, told them it was experimental and not certified. There are so many videos of Stockton doing interviews stating the dangers and he is criticized by the interviewer. They all knew they could die and they signed a waiver.
That's a valid point
Tuna can ? Now that’s just mean
@@BillBiggs1it was more like a Styrofoam cup
@@vicvega3614 even meaner.
@@vicvega3614 or a rusty oil drum
If you've seen Titanic and the James Cameron Titanic Documentary, why in HELL would you want to dive 2 miles down in a POP CAN? Billionaires have pathetic egos.
Pop can is right!
I'm no lawyer but i don't think the waivers are worth the paper they're written on. If you can prove negligence and false data etc. And this story is full of both. That said, good luck in court, i think it's a disbanded company and all the players will throw each other under the bus.
I think this guy is also guilty since he was a diving expert and he knew Rush was taking shortcuts. I think the other families could sue his estate since people also trusted him that submersible was safe.
Yep. They can sue, but I doubt they can win.
Although there are waivers, were they based on full transparency ? Enough that a layperson could still make an informed decision on the risk?
Nargolet was NOT a lay person. He was a seasoned explorer that should've understood about the risks. The only person that probably had no clue was the 19-year-old son of the rich guy whose father thought it would be great to bond with his son some 12,500 feet below the sea in what essentially was a garbage can.
They all signed a waiver, it literally mentioned “death” 10 times and nonetheless they all signed it either way that’s what waivers are for, to remind you of the risks, and these five men, all sign the risk of what it was like to travel below 12,000 feet to the bottom of the ocean, no one should be held accountable, but the five men that died, all five of them were adults, even the 19-year-old, when I was 19 years old, I even knew better, it’s all on them that they died, you cannot blame the company, they warmed these five men either way either way fault enough said
We can only speculate ,but I think you overlook snake oil salesman Rush ; what he must have said to convince Harding and PH to go down in that obvious death trap (both had been on certified subs and should have known better-the differences must have screamed at them!) Harding would have had the routine warnings when going down in Triton-a certified and tried and tested deep sea submesible and I imagine Rush convinced that his waivers were nothing more than that; dismissing the waiver as red tape demanded by the closed shop industry hostile to innovation/new kids on the block and adding the clincher "Would I be going down in it if it wasn't safe?" I would still think with their experience Harding and PH would have had nagging doubts but foolishly risked it. The lawsuit I would think is more to do with closing every loophole Rush exploited-evading certification/diving in international waters to evade regulation/re naming paying tourists as "mission specialists" again to evade legalities(the teenagers mission for the good of science was to see if he could solve a rubiks cube in record time-a real boon for eco science!) I doubt if Oceangate has $5 let alone $50m ,but the claim will effectively mean it and its people can never engage in deep sea/any sea submersible trips. Perhaps a law forbidding any company to take anyone bar their own staff down in untested sub's will emerge. Rush was an expert BS merchant. Take his claim that his death trap was so innovative it was ahead of regulation! NOTHING is ahead of regulation -regulation requires testing-according to Rush if I'd created a deep sea sub made of cardboard held together by bailing twine I'd be "Ahead of regulation"
@@infrasleep lol it’s 6:20 in the morning.
Maybe the boy brought his phone with him to make pics and it exploded because of pressure
I’m literally obsessed with this story even a year later, I know every fact about it, I’ve hacked into the website to even find out what even happened through this story.
Me too and it seems like tiny disturbing details keep coming up too! Did you hear that he eventually wanted to go looking for oil?
I'm actually pretty turned off by this story and especially the Stockton guy bozo. He's despicable.
@@same5952what happen.?
I really feel sorry for them. Either way, it must’ve been horrible to go through. I actually have empathy for what those five men went through. It must’ve been horrifying and evil. At the same time, the nature of this world can be so cruel and evil to human beings….
I feel sorry for the rich guy and his son, especially his son but those other three guys should have known better.
@@pforce9 bro, these guys were turned into molecules less than 5 ms, imagine all the people that are sitting there laughing at them, they were literally screaming and crying and puking all over themselves, and the people on the surface were just“laughing” at them like a joke, makes me sick…
Oceangate never had substantial post hull integrity analysis on the submersible after each dive. Also the thing was never rated too withstand the continued compression of the depths they were diving. Carbon Fiber can and does fissure and crack under loads and it is likely that the vehicle had several such compromises when she made her final dive. Pure unadulterated Gross negligence on behalf of Oceangate. They did not insure by Scientific inspection that their vehicle was safe for each individual dive.
So many things can be said of how awful this design was
The thing I believe the worst as far as terrifying for the passengers
I don't believe it imploded right away
I think the cracking noises was it delaminating and a blister forming
Would've been very apparent they was going to die
Losing buoyancy and not having any way to drop dive weight
The Trieste: let's use electromags to hold dive weight so even in the event of power failure it will drop
Rush: ahhh just have some rope to rot off
Smh
Modern deep submersibles use composites for gas tanks they are the same pressure inside as out
They use composites to reduce weight requiring less gasoline
You just don't do what he did
Had to be suicidal
@@terranovarain6570I’ve also read that the Titan would’ve tilted vertical with the porthole side facing down so all of them would have fell on top of each other as it sank.
They all signed a waiver that said in it 6 times you may die and this is an experimental vessel. Him of all the other passengers I feel should have known the most about the whole operation. Everything they state in the bogus lawsuit he would have known about and he didn't care.
Agreed…he of all people knew Rush was taking shortcuts with safety.
Too bad they never found the Heart of the Ocean, huh?
I don't think the wireless controller fight is going anywhere seeing the navy's newest attack subs are operated the same way
I think it's a valid argument considering the military have wireless systems that actually work and function properly and that this idiot didn't.
@@oreofudgeman The military's wireless system is an XBox 360 controller
A lanyard would have been helpful not to mention run power oxygen and communications.
Where's the GoPro footage?
Carbon Fibre, great in tension, crap in compression.
The term 'the family's lawyer' says it all. Money grubbers
Billionaires?
Im sure they knew that they were going to die. Should have stayed home.
But if you actually want some facts, they were actually 10,000 feet down, before they started experiencing trouble, they were still 2000 feet above the titanic, 10,000 feet down and they aborted the mission and they tried to come up to the surface,about 10 minutes after that, they imploded, trust me I have been studying about this story for the past year and I know very much about it
I felt in my gut they knew they were gonna die but it was to lste
Lol. Suing over their most likely non exisent distress before they were obliterated in hundredths of a second. Ok. I look forward to the next "disturbing" revelation. The verdict, that is.
If the boss knew there was a problem why would he get in the thing?
I think the "passengers" signed waivers before taking the dive? In that case, the suit will go nowhere,...
Another case of pop goes the weasel 😅
E al mare Palermo altri morti
Bro, they were literally screaming themselves to death, I even said, that they knew that we were going to die back in June 20 23 before all of this stuff was even leaked out, I knew that they released the ballast to their sub, I knew that they were prepared to die, I have been telling everyone this for the past year, “they knew they were going to die“ everyone said oh “it was quick and they didn’t even know it was coming, but they knew it was coming, they knew that they were going to die, and I just hate how everyone said that they didn’t know what was coming to them, because they exactly knew what was coming to them. They knew that they were going to die.
They eere able to swim over to the Titanic. Theres a huge air pocket and the Titanic survivers welcomed them in.
New the risk when got in. Cant sue for acts of dipshithood
Nothing terrifying