Why do records sound different? Wasn't it you Paul? That said perhaps it could be that the entire process, from the cutting to the playback of the vinyl, may round off the signal edges slightly, imparting a lusher quality to the sound.
I have a theory that vinyl does a better job of post filtering. You are processing the data through a physical format. This would remove any remaining digital artifacts. They just can not exist in the then strictly analog environment.
@@booom4849 100%! I think PCM on vinyl actually sounds a bit more musical than PCM off a digital source because of the forced physical filtering. But still digital. With all the new 50th Anniversary releases of stuff from back in the day, I've been bitten by some that were digitally remastered! My original analog records sound better! The Beatles Sgt Pepper for example. So I contact whom I can find and ask if it is analog to the cutting lathe! Those that are brag to me about it! Those that aren't, I typically get "Huh"?
When going from the DSD master to making the vinyl recording, isn't some sort of digital to analog conversion required or is there a way of driving the cutting head directly from the DSD master?
Yes, we can drive directly from the DSD master though (as you suggest) it is through a D/A converter. And, to that point, the quality of that D/A Converter is critical which is why we use either our PS Audio DirectStream DAC or the Meitner.
@@booom4849 Indeed you do. We have built a delay box and to that you add two D/A converters. The one that drives the recording head doesn't have to be anything special, but because we also make D/A converters we just use two of the same.
why don't you make your vinyl dbx filter 2 compatible? listen to that! why can't you print some more vinyl make sure it's on clear vinyl. depends what vinyl system you've got get a better arm and cartridge for your turntable van den hul crimson is a great cartridge, with vinyl you can eq what the record sound like by different interconnect types and lengths cartridges loading. do you know what amplifier Paul they use to cut the lacquer? that has a big bearing on things. make sure you put dbx on you're records. I think it's a technology that should be brought back with modern engineering could be drastically improved on it. you should have put it in your phono stage, with modern engineering and processes I think that's the problem the processor! I have inproved on my machine but I think the processor let's it down! you're the person Paul !! could revamp and dramatically improve on it what about it give it a go! make sure it's backward compatible as well as forward compatible if you need to do some changes in the recording processing? theoretically you could read dsd directly off the record. so you could have dbx-dsd decoder! with the dynamic Headroom of 120db mabey higher. don't forget that could be used on analogue type as well at the 40db increase Headroom, I would consider it Paul only if you know something I don't? maybe selling the chip separately for old machines that would have the DSD dbx decoder in it. as well as putting in your devices and selling a separate unit. I think record companies would adopt the idea if it's free and there's a device that can decoder it and improved on it. you were looking for a way to use dsd direct there's your opportunity!! I believe you should be able to put the dsd direct without converting it to pcm if you have you got the decoder and the code. it's not just for vinyl but tape and sacd as well if direct out I believe, and streaming. so it's not just a dbx for vinyl there's plenty of other uses for it, and making digital files from vinyl would be much better as well anyway happy Christmas New year.
If you ever re-release another batch of Gabriel Mervine’s recording in vinyl, I will definitely purchase a copy.
Love PS audio. Thanks for all the knowledge
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Didn't know that existed...butbsounds reasonable since DSD is the best way to digitaly store sound.
Why do records sound different? Wasn't it you Paul? That said perhaps it could be that the entire process, from the cutting to the playback of the vinyl, may round off the signal edges slightly, imparting a lusher quality to the sound.
Same goes for PCM digital on vinyl - for some unknown reason the vinyl often sounds better.
Please provide DSD and PCM samples so we can hear for ourselves please!
I have a theory that vinyl does a better job of post filtering. You are processing the data through a physical format. This would remove any remaining digital artifacts. They just can not exist in the then strictly analog environment.
Maybe a little bit, but PCM on vinyl still sounds like PCM. My best sounding vinyls are from the analog Era.
@@booom4849 100%! I think PCM on vinyl actually sounds a bit more musical than PCM off a digital source because of the forced physical filtering. But still digital.
With all the new 50th Anniversary releases of stuff from back in the day, I've been bitten by some that were digitally remastered! My original analog records sound better! The Beatles Sgt Pepper for example. So I contact whom I can find and ask if it is analog to the cutting lathe! Those that are brag to me about it! Those that aren't, I typically get "Huh"?
Run the DSD through tape then compare that to the vinyl.
Though there was a short circuit at the lower right corner 😳
Will sold out CD’s and vinyl ever be available agian?
Most likely not unless there was a huge outcry. Limited is just as it sounds. Over time we may increase the run sizes as we grow.
DSD on vinyl what a craps, It's vinyl that should be put on DSD!
When going from the DSD master to making the vinyl recording, isn't some sort of digital to analog conversion required or is there a way of driving the cutting head directly from the DSD master?
I would think that at a minimum the RIAA curve would need to be applied.
Yes, we can drive directly from the DSD master though (as you suggest) it is through a D/A converter. And, to that point, the quality of that D/A Converter is critical which is why we use either our PS Audio DirectStream DAC or the Meitner.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio Don't you need two D/A converters as cutting machines usually want an additional delayed signal?
@@booom4849 Indeed you do. We have built a delay box and to that you add two D/A converters. The one that drives the recording head doesn't have to be anything special, but because we also make D/A converters we just use two of the same.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio Ah I see, thanks.
why don't you make your vinyl dbx filter 2 compatible?
listen to that!
why can't you print some more vinyl make sure it's on clear vinyl.
depends what vinyl system you've got get a better arm and cartridge for your turntable van den hul crimson is a great cartridge,
with vinyl you can eq what the record sound like by different interconnect types and lengths cartridges loading.
do you know what amplifier Paul they use to cut the lacquer?
that has a big bearing on things.
make sure you put dbx on you're records.
I think it's a technology that should be brought back with modern engineering could be drastically improved on it.
you should have put it in your phono stage, with modern engineering and processes I think that's the problem the processor!
I have inproved on my machine but I think the processor let's it down! you're the person Paul !! could revamp and dramatically improve on it what about it give it a go! make sure it's backward compatible as well as forward compatible if you need to do some changes in the recording processing?
theoretically you could read dsd directly off the record. so you could have dbx-dsd decoder!
with the dynamic Headroom of 120db mabey higher.
don't forget that could be used on analogue type as well at the 40db increase Headroom,
I would consider it Paul only if you know something I don't? maybe selling the chip separately for old machines that would have the DSD dbx decoder in it.
as well as putting in your devices and selling a separate unit.
I think record companies would adopt the idea if it's free and there's a device that can decoder it and improved on it.
you were looking for a way to use dsd direct there's your opportunity!!
I believe you should be able to put the dsd direct without converting it to pcm if you have you got the decoder and the code.
it's not just for vinyl but tape and sacd as well if direct out I believe, and streaming. so it's not just a dbx for vinyl there's plenty of other uses for it,
and making digital files from vinyl would be much better as well
anyway happy Christmas New year.