The idea that he spoke to them that way, saying he provided them with an “opportunity to grow” while he’s been basically exploiting them is disguising to say the least
@Seattle-2017 yeah, you pay your interns like you are paying your regular employees? Architects I am assuming making 6 figures. So you are paying all your interns 6 figures? Or you are here virtue signaling telling me there's paid internship like you pay them normal rate as you would pay a regular employee. Nice try, don't virtue signal me.
@@Timpon_Dorz Answers: No, no and no. Your questions are based on something YOU assumed, and I never said. But nice try in your attempt to misrepresent what I said. Architectural interns do get paid, but at a rate commensurate with their experience - fairly low when starting out/just out of college. But at least they get paid. Not sure what you're talking about with the "virtue signaling". I guess that's how you define people who think interns (gasp!) should be paid. Nice try, don't misrepresent me
One of my former jobs I worked the 11pm-7am shift. Our manager only held mandatory staff meetings at 2pm. I never went to a single meeting, but did not get punished. It would be like a dayshift worker having to come to a meeting at 2am. I wasn’t going to kill myself driving off the road from lack of sleep due to the stupid meetings.
My manager has three meetings a day: 8, 2, and 330. When she is talking, people are quiet and unresponsive. Sometimes, she gets mad when she doesn't get a quick response. I think most have fallen asleep. now when she goes on vacation her lead has meeting as needed and we like that.
Why does America have unpaid workers? I'm Australian and I can't understand how any company says, "Work here so I can pay you nothing." Your country is sick.
@@VanCityAdamslavery is forcing people to work. These people willingly signed up for this. It may not be a good system, but don't act like these people were forced to work there and compare them to people who were captured and beaten and forced to do real work. It was 8:30 AM. People are acting like it was a 2 AM meeting. Professionals have to be at work earlier than that. They wanted to get a shot at the corporate world and failed at it. Now, if they only received a 7 minute warning, then the ceo is a horrible person, but this was a very one sided story. I would be interested to hear the company's version without cherry picked quotes. It could be that he is a very bad man, but i have learned thru the years that most stories like this have another side to them.
As an Australian I am amazed that having unpaid employees is actually legal. It is not something that happens over here. We have some charity/not-for-profit organisations that rely on volunteer support where student in a particular field and gain experience in that area but we do not expect people to work for nothing. That's exploitation.
@christosbinos8467 I managed and was managed in multiple teams over many decades. Both private and in the military. The common problem with meetings is a clear lack of objectives (agenda items) and understanding of how to stay on point. Proper project management is required where objectives are broken off into compartments and the manager is acting as a manager not having constant meetings.
Who the f has over 100 unpaid workers?! This shit should be illegal... And who are those suckers working for free? Not trying to blame the victim here but dude if you are working you should be paid, period.
At first I was like… yea you don’t show up for the meeting he’s in the right! But then you starting giving the details and I’m like… wtf?! This dude is nuts! This is like a bar trying to hire a band to play for free cuz it’s good exposure… nah… pay them for what they do. 90% of his business is run by unpaid staff?! Absolutely absurd
Can we get the terminology correct, you don't have a meeting with 110 people. You have one-way communication broadcast from management with those numbers.
NOPE you are not EXTREME in your "I hate meeting camp"! They are a colossal waste of time for the most part! Plus if your unpaid why are you going to meetings - PERIOD! 90% unpaid or part-time, sounds like this company is a little light growth and it being the end of the year was looking to cut staff anyway!😎
It's blatant discrimination against working class people, since we can't afford to work for free. We have to pay our rent and buy groceries. It should absolutely 100% be illegal.
I've never understood why Interns work for free. I'm sure they tell themselves they gain experience and a chance to get a full time job there, but more than likely they're just going to get exploited. The fact that this guy had 90% of staff working for free signals that he loved exploiting people. If I'm not going to get paid, I might as well go spend the day at the beach, and not get paid there.
If I am sacrificing my time for NO PAY and am adding income to your business then: YOU BETTER ACT like my life is important OR I WILL GIVE YOU THE FINGER AND LEAVE WITHOUT NOTICE!!
An unpaid internship can be valid under certain circumstances. One is a work/study program through school (generally vocational). You could also agree if the benefits of the internship are high enough (nobody wants to hire someone with zero experience but you can’t get experience unless you’re hired). There should be a time limited contract leading to full time paid employment. There should be a defined role/expectations with a qualified mentor (no BS coffee runner). Interns should be a very small part of your employees. Internships I have seen were generally summer positions for high school or college students.
Unpaid internships are just a loophole to take advantage of people. It's ALL WORK no matter how you look at it or what perks you try to use as justfiction vs wages. Pay them!
The CEO did all those people a favor by firing them. Now they can get better jobs. They were losers to put up with that crappy situation in the first place.
Why people work for free!? And if his company can function with 11 people what were the people doing. Not to mention why new people should want to work for this company in future?
I used to work for a company that had a lot of useless meetings where everyone associated with the problem had to attend. It didn't take long to figure out that someone had screwed up and they wanted everyone there based on the concept "They can't fire all of us can they."
You have no respinsability to "pay dues" to a for profit company that never helped you in your life before, it's just free labor aka serfdom. Did that company pay your education, no? Then nothing is owed.
What kind of a meeting could you have with 110 employees at 8:30 in the morning that would have been more than just something that could have been handled with an email broadcast? This doesn't make much sense. PHB from Dilbert, for sure.
I work in the entertainment industry and we have endless people offering to be interns/work for free. To be honest, this industry runs on free labor. I had one job in which our production crew was 34 people...and 11 of those were unpaid. I'm sure the percentage is even higher in many cases.
That was my first thought. Grouping unpaid part timers and interns together could easily mean unpaid makes up a small percentage of that grouping. Ana needs more data to make these claims. Also she has no idea if the interns are paid or not.
I worked for a privately held company for many years, attending four meetings a year. When the company was sold to a much larger company and became publicly held, the number of sessions I attended changed dramatically. I started going to four meetings a week. We had meetings on Monday to decide what the meeting on Friday would be about. Presentations were assigned on Monday and due on Friday. There were days when my boss was in wall-to-wall meetings from the time they walked into the door at 8 AM till 5 PM. They would eat lunch from 12 -1 to catch up on emails. They were still going when I left at 5 PM and expected to be there for a couple more hours.
No one should be enslaved to their employer, especially if there’s no compensation for the work being done. This so called CEO or owner should ask AIPAC how it works! Our entire government officials are enslaved to AIPAC, but with big pay lol
As a CEO of a large business for many years, in the event we ultimately terminated a staff member for poor performance I always considered it, at least in part, a failure on our part, in the context we may have failed to recruit the right person for the job, we failed to properly train and / or supported the terminated employee. All in the context that to recruit and train an employee is very costly and time consuming.
This is the power of hustle culture. It tricked all these people into working for free. Every hustle culture guru I ashamedly listened to at some point told their sheep audience to work for free. Patrick Bet-David and GaryV among them.
another big problem with meetings is how useless they are when A SHORT EMAIL WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT! Ignoring the stupid 7 minute notice part of this situation, it seems like most daily meetings are misplaced bs (like missing the purpose of the action but still doing the action thus nobody benefits).
If you work you should get paid the going rate. Period. It's time away from other things that are way more important - but you need to pay your bills and buy food etc! Especially if you are working lower down the greasy pole! So this guy is operating as a bit of a slaver...
The idea that he spoke to them that way, saying he provided them with an “opportunity to grow” while he’s been basically exploiting them is disguising to say the least
How are they called employees, if they're not getting a check?
Internships should be illegal unless they provide college credit. 10-99's are way out of control in the US as well.
How is 90 percent of the staff unpaid? What the hell?
He got more then he paid for 😂.
90% unpaid!! Volunteers don’t need to actually do anything. They owe their “employer” nothing!! F this tool.
I bet this CEO is like:
"No one wants to work anymore!"
Hahahahahahah
Anyone wonder how much that PIECE OF CRAP ceo gets paid??
They were working for nothing, working other paid job just to make ends (not quite) meet. They are better off not getting scammed by this scam artist.
@@arddel you should work for me to drag deez nutz across your chin playboy
News flash for that boss: the Great Recession ended 13 years ago. People aren't going to bend over backwards for an unpaid job anymore.
@@Seattle-2017 good luck being a lawyer or a doctor. Maybe you don't need an internship for doordash
@@Timpon_Dorz You do realize there's a thing called paid internships - right? I'm actually an architect. Never had to work for free.
@Seattle-2017 yeah, you pay your interns like you are paying your regular employees? Architects I am assuming making 6 figures. So you are paying all your interns 6 figures? Or you are here virtue signaling telling me there's paid internship like you pay them normal rate as you would pay a regular employee.
Nice try, don't virtue signal me.
@@Timpon_Dorz Answers: No, no and no. Your questions are based on something YOU assumed, and I never said. But nice try in your attempt to misrepresent what I said. Architectural interns do get paid, but at a rate commensurate with their experience - fairly low when starting out/just out of college. But at least they get paid. Not sure what you're talking about with the "virtue signaling". I guess that's how you define people who think interns (gasp!) should be paid. Nice try, don't misrepresent me
@Seattle-2017 oh ok... So you don't pay them living wages... Lol way to virtue signal. Thanks, now go away hypocrite
So, he is not gonna pay them anymore, after not paying them anyway. What is this ?
unpaid positions should be illegal
Unpaid=volunteers
Slaves
90% of unpaid internships is diabolical
He did this so no one could get a paid position and he could hire more free labor to start from scratch.
How do you get people to work for you WITHOUT PAYING THEM??
Come on people, have some self respect.
One of my former jobs I worked the 11pm-7am shift. Our manager only held mandatory staff meetings at 2pm. I never went to a single meeting, but did not get punished. It would be like a dayshift worker having to come to a meeting at 2am. I wasn’t going to kill myself driving off the road from lack of sleep due to the stupid meetings.
In this day and age nobody should be doing anything unpaid.
if he calls them "employess" and "fires" them then they should sue him for unpaid wages.
This CEO is a perfect example of rich-titlement.
Unpaid internships should not be a thing.
My manager has three meetings a day: 8, 2, and 330. When she is talking, people are quiet and unresponsive. Sometimes, she gets mad when she doesn't get a quick response. I think most have fallen asleep. now when she goes on vacation her lead has meeting as needed and we like that.
That IS insanity.
Idc what anyone says. Unpaid internships equal modern day slavery. Smdh
I don't often agree with Ana, but I agree with her 100% on this. If you are not being paid, it's not a job
Unpaid working time is illegal. They can collectively sue
The moment you said Wyoming, I knew it was going to $h!t😂😂😂😂
Why does America have unpaid workers? I'm Australian and I can't understand how any company says, "Work here so I can pay you nothing." Your country is sick.
The companies name is "The Musicians club" located in the state of Wyoming. What a horrible person
You know your company is not important when you can fire 90%. You know the meeting was not important when 90% didn’t even show up.
Unpaid internships should not be a thing!
I bet all the ceos who are calling him are trying to see how he got 90% of his workforce to work for free. Thats gonna be the new template
Unpaid internship?
They called that Slavery 100+ years ago.
Boss: You're Fired.
Unpaid Worker: k.
If I was the remaining 10% of workers, Id be looking for a new job. It sounds like the CEO ia bit of a wacko.
😂if you don't work you deserves to get fired
@@Milwall_will_win_uclbeforeidie If you aren't getting paid for your labor, you've earned the right not to show up. Fuck slavery.
@@VanCityAdamslavery is forcing people to work. These people willingly signed up for this. It may not be a good system, but don't act like these people were forced to work there and compare them to people who were captured and beaten and forced to do real work. It was 8:30 AM. People are acting like it was a 2 AM meeting. Professionals have to be at work earlier than that. They wanted to get a shot at the corporate world and failed at it. Now, if they only received a 7 minute warning, then the ceo is a horrible person, but this was a very one sided story. I would be interested to hear the company's version without cherry picked quotes. It could be that he is a very bad man, but i have learned thru the years that most stories like this have another side to them.
What the fk he complaining about. He got what he paid for🤦🏿♀️
Best comment of the day!
If I was one of those 11, I'd quit. It's never worth it to work with toxic people.
How is “unpaid internships” even allowed to exist in the labor market? It’s not community service! Even apprenticeships are paid for their labor!
Don't work for free. It devalues the work of those who work for pay. If you see someone working for free tell them to stop.
As an Australian I am amazed that having unpaid employees is actually legal. It is not something that happens over here. We have some charity/not-for-profit organisations that rely on volunteer support where student in a particular field and gain experience in that area but we do not expect people to work for nothing. That's exploitation.
That's slavery... The USA is really big into that.
@@Krackonisthey are
Certain Corporations and Business in America redefine their "Freedom" as "The Freedom to Exploit".
I would say 99.9% of the meetings I was in were useless and could of just been handled in an email.
Everyone says this till they ACTUALLY have to manage a team. Try coordinating even a team of 5 via e-mail without major delays and miscommunications.
@christosbinos8467
I managed and was managed in multiple teams over many decades. Both private and in the military. The common problem with meetings is a clear lack of objectives (agenda items) and understanding of how to stay on point. Proper project management is required where objectives are broken off into compartments and the manager is acting as a manager not having constant meetings.
I went to the Musicians Club website (Sheridan, WY) and there’s no page for employment opportunities. Weird.
Who the f has over 100 unpaid workers?! This shit should be illegal... And who are those suckers working for free? Not trying to blame the victim here but dude if you are working you should be paid, period.
Exactly. Especially in the year 2024, nu huho da hell has the time or the patience to show up for that.
Agree with Ana on meetings, 90% waste of people's time giving people information that they don't need to know.
In my case , I'm givin information I already know 😂. My meeting is almost literally useless
If you're employees aren't paid, you're not an employer, you're a slaver.
Ok well I guess the CEO can run the entire company himself then. Firing 99 out of 110 employees is insane.
HOW IS THIS LEGAL???!!!!
It is humiliating to be fired. It is beyond humiliating to get fired from an unpaid position.
At first I was like… yea you don’t show up for the meeting he’s in the right! But then you starting giving the details and I’m like… wtf?! This dude is nuts! This is like a bar trying to hire a band to play for free cuz it’s good exposure… nah… pay them for what they do. 90% of his business is run by unpaid staff?! Absolutely absurd
Can we get the terminology correct, you don't have a meeting with 110 people. You have one-way communication broadcast from management with those numbers.
NOPE you are not EXTREME in your "I hate meeting camp"! They are a colossal waste of time for the most part! Plus if your unpaid why are you going to meetings - PERIOD! 90% unpaid or part-time, sounds like this company is a little light growth and it being the end of the year was looking to cut staff anyway!😎
90% ARE UNPAID INTERNS?!?! That is absolutely ridiculous. And should maybe be illegal.
It's blatant discrimination against working class people, since we can't afford to work for free. We have to pay our rent and buy groceries. It should absolutely 100% be illegal.
I bet most of those folks just said "ok, that's fine".
Also, musicians are not morning people. They perform late at night, so they get used to this schedule.
Psa don’t take unpaid work
Some don't have a choice. Like she said, you need "experience" before getting a job.
I've never understood why Interns work for free. I'm sure they tell themselves they gain experience and a chance to get a full time job there, but more than likely they're just going to get exploited. The fact that this guy had 90% of staff working for free signals that he loved exploiting people. If I'm not going to get paid, I might as well go spend the day at the beach, and not get paid there.
Corporations are abusing the “intern/coop” idea. They have them stocking shelves for free. How is this learning?
Man, i always hated f***ing meetings too. Never productive or useful.
I work an an operations specialist and An Operations Manager absolutely should not be unpaid.
Put this company out of business! BOYCOTT THIS STORE. Enough is Enough with out of control Greed.
If I'm an unpaid intern... Then my time isn't good enough for you already.
If I am sacrificing my time for NO PAY and am adding income to your business then: YOU BETTER ACT like my life is important OR I WILL GIVE YOU THE FINGER AND LEAVE WITHOUT NOTICE!!
One of my policy agendas would be outlawing all unpaid internships and work source programs. Unpaid workers is voluntary servitude.
An unpaid internship can be valid under certain circumstances. One is a work/study program through school (generally vocational). You could also agree if the benefits of the internship are high enough (nobody wants to hire someone with zero experience but you can’t get experience unless you’re hired). There should be a time limited contract leading to full time paid employment. There should be a defined role/expectations with a qualified mentor (no BS coffee runner). Interns should be a very small part of your employees. Internships I have seen were generally summer positions for high school or college students.
Unpaid internships are just a loophole to take advantage of people. It's ALL WORK no matter how you look at it or what perks you try to use as justfiction vs wages. Pay them!
The CEO did all those people a favor by firing them. Now they can get better jobs. They were losers to put up with that crappy situation in the first place.
"Email meetings", those are the worst. Meetings where they could have put it all in an email. They just read a power point for thirty minutes.
Boycott this company.
Unpaid internships should be illegal. Actually, I thought slavery was already illegal. When did it become legal again?
This guys clearly on a power trip. Having briefly experienced this type of management style, it isn't usually a recipe for success.
Why people work for free!? And if his company can function with 11 people what were the people doing. Not to mention why new people should want to work for this company in future?
I sense a bankruptcy filing and a business closing in the near future.
There's a limit to greed
Can you really be fired if you're not getting paid?
Everyone knows that musicians are not awake before the sun is warm, around 12noon-1pm ;)
When I was at Xerox in the software testing lab, I enjoyed the department production meetings.
True lol
If you're not paid, you're not an employee!
They fired unpaid interns? So... They lost out on pretty much nothing?
I used to work for a company that had a lot of useless meetings where everyone associated with the problem had to attend. It didn't take long to figure out that someone had screwed up and they wanted everyone there based on the concept "They can't fire all of us can they."
This is a blessing jn disguise for them, because unpaid internships are a waste of your time and shows a lot of self worth.
You have no respinsability to "pay dues" to a for profit company that never helped you in your life before, it's just free labor aka serfdom. Did that company pay your education, no? Then nothing is owed.
No money, no honey
Girls sure love that 'folding green personality', don't they?
@@PhilipDeLamarterdo you love deez nutz dragged across your chin playboy?
90% unpaid. Thanks for doing me a favor!
What kind of a meeting could you have with 110 employees at 8:30 in the morning that would have been more than just something that could have been handled with an email broadcast? This doesn't make much sense. PHB from Dilbert, for sure.
Unpaid internship should not exist. At least a minimum wage internship is fine.
Used to work for a company that had a 6am meeting
I will show up at a 6am meeting ONLY if I am getting paid and am getting off work a 2pm!! Otherwise you better set your meeting to match MY SCHEDULE!!
I work in the entertainment industry and we have endless people offering to be interns/work for free.
To be honest, this industry runs on free labor. I had one job in which our production crew was 34 people...and 11 of those were unpaid. I'm sure the percentage is even higher in many cases.
Unpaid operations manager
What the Fuck
It sounds like a weight was lifted off of these people's shoulders. Why even work for someone like this in the first place?
90% were fired. The majority of those fired were unpaid, part timers, and interns.
Nowhere does that mean 90% were unpaid. Logic 101 😂
read your second sentence. then read it again slower...You'll get there!
I want you and cenk to plow me
@@JohnnyTobogganill read it a second time as you mushroom stamp me bro
Btw the guy sounds like a douche
That was my first thought. Grouping unpaid part timers and interns together could easily mean unpaid makes up a small percentage of that grouping. Ana needs more data to make these claims. Also she has no idea if the interns are paid or not.
I worked for a privately held company for many years, attending four meetings a year. When the company was sold to a much larger company and became publicly held, the number of sessions I attended changed dramatically. I started going to four meetings a week. We had meetings on Monday to decide what the meeting on Friday would be about. Presentations were assigned on Monday and due on Friday. There were days when my boss was in wall-to-wall meetings from the time they walked into the door at 8 AM till 5 PM. They would eat lunch from 12 -1 to catch up on emails. They were still going when I left at 5 PM and expected to be there for a couple more hours.
A lot of meetings could be just an email.
No one should be enslaved to their employer, especially if there’s no compensation for the work being done.
This so called CEO or owner should ask AIPAC how it works!
Our entire government officials are enslaved to AIPAC, but with big pay lol
As a CEO of a large business for many years, in the event we ultimately terminated a staff member for poor performance I always considered it, at least in part, a failure on our part, in the context we may have failed to recruit the right person for the job, we failed to properly train and / or supported the terminated employee. All in the context that to recruit and train an employee is very costly and time consuming.
Why did you even hire them if they didn't have the skill set?
This is the power of hustle culture. It tricked all these people into working for free. Every hustle culture guru I ashamedly listened to at some point told their sheep audience to work for free. Patrick Bet-David and GaryV among them.
That's just wild😂 like how is working for free ,hustling? I bet they would never but they would love to tell u to
another big problem with meetings is how useless they are when A SHORT EMAIL WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT! Ignoring the stupid 7 minute notice part of this situation, it seems like most daily meetings are misplaced bs (like missing the purpose of the action but still doing the action thus nobody benefits).
Who fires people working for free?
It's more like being 'kicked out'.. not' fired.' Like a band.. a band that does not make money anyway...
The balls on this guy…..firing people that don’t get paid.
If you work you should get paid the going rate. Period. It's time away from other things that are way more important - but you need to pay your bills and buy food etc! Especially if you are working lower down the greasy pole! So this guy is operating as a bit of a slaver...
Managers have meetings all day every day with each other so they can justify having a job.
Wyoming-based musical-instrument online company? Weird.
That why I left my comfortable, easy job. I wasn't getting paid.
ALL MEETINGS ARE B.S.! .......😂😂😂
Ahem.., except for mine. Mine are productive.😂
I guess if the weren't paid then what does it really mean they were fired? They're certainly not out anything!
Anna, you are right.
Dues are paid with a low salary, not no salary.
This CEO guy is horrible human being selfish typical entitled doosh bag DISGUSTING