Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell (full audiobook)

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  • Опубликовано: 1 фев 2025
  • Homage to Catalonia is George Orwell's personal account of his experiences and observations in the Spanish Civil War. The first edition was published in the United Kingdom in 1938. The book was not published in the United States until February 1952, when it appeared with an influential preface by Lionel Trilling. The only translation published in Orwell's lifetime was into Italian, in December 1948.[1] A French translation by Yvonne Davet-with whom Orwell corresponded, commenting on her translation and providing explanatory notes-in 1938-39, was not published until five years after Orwell's death.

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  • @beetlewizard4004
    @beetlewizard4004 3 года назад +189

    Compiled Chapter Timestamps
    2:37 Chapter One
    26:54 Chapter Two
    42:29 Chapter Three
    1:12:50 Chapter Four
    1:28:40 Chapter Five
    2:27:31 Chapter Six
    2:57:35 Chapter Seven
    3:29:23 Chapter Eight
    3:43:04 Chapter Nine
    4:09:18 Chapter Ten
    5:08:01 Chapter Eleven
    6:14:14 Chapter Twelve
    6:44:09 Chapter Thirteen
    7:23:29 Chapter Fourteen

  • @fenrirunshackled4319
    @fenrirunshackled4319 4 года назад +202

    This recording is exceptional, I had to remind myself frequently that it isn't Orwell himself narrating. The emotion he expresses is so fitting to every line, it feels as though the narrator is sitting across the room telling tales of his own life.

    • @davidfriend6462
      @davidfriend6462 4 года назад +10

      Everybody wants to read Orwell. but nobody wants to read Orwell.

    • @dandare6865
      @dandare6865 3 года назад +7

      this chap narrated some of his other books and you are right i can imagine Orwell at the mic

    • @Nannada1212
      @Nannada1212 3 года назад +1

      It's good, but it's not Orwell. Please, for the love of God, stop this shit. This is The Ministry of Truth. Maybe you listened to the book, but damn... You still don't get it.

    • @Nannada1212
      @Nannada1212 3 года назад +1

      It feels that way because Orwell was an incredible author, not because of the narrator. I hope this was a joke.

    • @kevincasson9848
      @kevincasson9848 3 года назад +6

      @@Nannada1212 stop what shit?

  • @pantalaemon
    @pantalaemon 3 года назад +75

    listening to this book for the second time, i wanna point out that, besides being an awesome and engrossing war story, and a cutting (and sadly very relevant) analysis of the various internecine struggles that prevented the success of a united front against fascism, it's also (in chapter 12) an amazing master class in fact-checking media manipulation and propaganda. People love to cry about how mainstream media is fake and stuff, but very few of us have any concrete idea of the (often random, but very often also deliberate) ways that journalism can twist or straight-up deny the truth; Orwell gives you some pretty great, concrete examples in how to recognize and deconstruct misleading stories.

    • @tensevo
      @tensevo 2 года назад +1

      to understand media, pay attention to who they side with, or who they are asked to side with.
      if the opposite side has been censored or silenced, and you are getting one side of the story,
      you might be dealing with propaganda.

    • @reverendrider
      @reverendrider 2 года назад

      Yes, 'Doublespeak/think' was certainly one of Orwell's main motifs, culminating in 'Nineteen Eighty Four'. I'm curious whether his experiences in Catalonia were responsible for planting, or ultimately cementing that seed.

    • @Boogie_the_cat
      @Boogie_the_cat 2 года назад +8

      That is why public domain is such a valuable thing. A lot of people think that there is nothing useful in books that are old enough to fall into the public domain, and this amazing book proves that sentiment wrong (along with many other amazing public domain works, such as 1984 ©️)

    • @hilariousname6826
      @hilariousname6826 2 года назад

      @@reverendrider That is the general understanding.

  • @snakey934Snakeybakey
    @snakey934Snakeybakey 4 года назад +44

    I put my headphones in and listened to this while at the supermarket. First time I ever enjoyed going shopping.

    • @QueerChica
      @QueerChica Год назад +1

      I'm listening from the pub, close to where I live in Madrid, now. Enjoying my afternoon drink more as a result x

  •  5 лет назад +44

    G. ORWELL matters more than ever..

  • @otilia6468
    @otilia6468 3 года назад +45

    Excellent recording. I think I like Orwell even more in his non-fiction.

    • @ivanrevell7983
      @ivanrevell7983 3 года назад +1

      Any recommendations for his non fiction audiobooks?

    • @mashotoshaku
      @mashotoshaku 3 года назад +7

      @@ivanrevell7983 down and out in Paris and London

    • @roninreturns228
      @roninreturns228 3 года назад +3

      @@mashotoshaku, agreed, I listened to that audiobook before moving on to this longer one. Paris and London, just like Spain, Russia, America, Japan, most every country was on some level moving through very changing times during the era Orwell was writing. In many ways, it was a precursor and mirrors our current modern times. The parallels and politics have hardly changed, they have simply taken slightly different forms.

    • @peacock8394
      @peacock8394 3 года назад +3

      None of his books are non-fiction I think he just used symbolizations rather than real people, places or events.

    • @Nannada1212
      @Nannada1212 3 года назад

      @@ivanrevell7983 if I'm not mistaken, "To Kill an Elephant" is his first published prose. I think it happens in South Africa? It's been a long time and I know I could Google it.

  • @mikeee3691
    @mikeee3691 3 года назад +21

    The first chapter 😩😩😩😳 better than any fanfic I have ever read hands down

  • @pesnevim1626
    @pesnevim1626 4 года назад +30

    Thank you. Great version. We need the words of George O more than ever now. A true literary giant and decent man.

  • @Jurazgar1
    @Jurazgar1 5 лет назад +67

    Amazing book and narrator. Really nice experience to listen to this. My respects to Orwell, great man!

    • @peacock8394
      @peacock8394 3 года назад

      Actually George Orwell was a German citizen (a jewish person) at the time he wrote Homage to Catalonia and with Catalonia he actually meant Russia (I think he was sent as a German spy to Russia in order to learn about Russian army's military capability). And after he moved to the UK he thought he couldn't confess the actual truth so he changed the place, event and person names in his books.

  • @oregoon3988
    @oregoon3988 3 года назад +14

    Absolutely an amazing book!
    I've came back and listened to this 3 times now. My favorite book so far.

  • @tensevo
    @tensevo 2 года назад +45

    The thing about Orwell is,
    whether you like his writing or not,
    it could have been written yesterday or even today.
    Yet, it is closer to 100 years old.

    • @nozecone
      @nozecone 2 года назад +8

      How could you not like his writing? He was an absolute master of English prose.

    • @robertharper6481
      @robertharper6481 Месяц назад

      Genius [should] never go out of fashion.

  • @Jay_Hendrix
    @Jay_Hendrix 2 года назад +5

    After putting it off for months, I'm finally giving this a listen. An hour and a half in and so far I'm liking it!

  • @sophiarevel6952
    @sophiarevel6952 Год назад +2

    Thank you for this wonderful reading. ❤ Much appreciated!

  • @HaiwenZhang-zo6zj
    @HaiwenZhang-zo6zj 5 лет назад +23

    Thank you so much to made this autidobook . It's one book i like most , and i tried to find a audio version from years ago. Finnally i find actualy someone made it .

  • @twiste7553
    @twiste7553 4 года назад +8

    Great book and great reading thank you for the upload

  • @houstonbradford9350
    @houstonbradford9350 9 месяцев назад +2

    Buttered toast! We’re sitting down to buttered toast over here, lovely buttered toast😂 one of my favorite parts. the whole book is awesome. It’s incredible how many times, Eric Blair narrowly avoided death. And then went on to write some of the most influential books of the 20th century. There is a God!

  • @JimiHendrix998
    @JimiHendrix998 5 лет назад +22

    Great reader of a marvellous book. Thank you!...

  • @Wmbhill
    @Wmbhill 4 месяца назад

    Thank you for the video, it was quite well narrated.

  • @balham456
    @balham456 3 года назад +3

    Thanks for the upload.

  • @danrobinson1729
    @danrobinson1729 2 года назад +2

    Wonderful stuff, thank you to all who brings such things to us xoxo

  • @br9906
    @br9906 3 года назад +8

    THIS IS SO GOOD

  • @CitizenPaineOfficial
    @CitizenPaineOfficial 2 года назад +7

    Brilliant, beautiful, disturbing, and honest. We need more men like him, but not times like these.

  • @marxisthumanist8936
    @marxisthumanist8936 2 года назад +2

    Hero and a good piece of work

  • @joeferri3491
    @joeferri3491 4 месяца назад +1

    0:01 Intro
    3:02 Chapter 1
    27:20 Chapter 2
    42:55 Chapter 3
    1:13:15 Chapter 4
    1:29:05 Chapter 5
    2:27:55 Chapter 6
    2:57:59 Chapter 7
    3:29:48 Chapter 8
    3:43:28 Chapter 9
    4:09:42 Chapter 10
    5:08:25 Chapter 11
    6:14:39 Chapter 12
    6:44:34 Chapter 13
    7:23:54 Chapter 14

  • @d_hedgehog2970
    @d_hedgehog2970 4 года назад +38

    Until you listen to such an Audiobook you wouldnt realise that the book is written exactly how the Brits speak. The intonations, the subtle jests and everything...

    • @stephensimpson1613
      @stephensimpson1613 4 года назад +12

      Yes, that's a very good point. Orwell insisted on writing in a style which was direct and plain-speaking. Anything else must be viewed with suspicion.

    • @mosquitocoast25
      @mosquitocoast25 3 года назад +3

      Route is pronounced American style as rout rather than British style as root which I found a bit strange otherwise it’s Brit.

    • @bca_4321
      @bca_4321 3 года назад

      @@mosquitocoast25 I'm American and I've never heard rout in person. I think it might be the other way around.

    • @mosquitocoast25
      @mosquitocoast25 3 года назад +1

      @@bca_4321 I’m British and we definitely pronounce route as root and I’ve heard it pronounced rout by Americans in the media. Never however been to the US.

    • @ExodusToday
      @ExodusToday 3 года назад +2

      @@mosquitocoast25 American here and everyone I know pronounces it rout

  • @buddhist.wisdom
    @buddhist.wisdom 4 года назад +21

    7:40:20 that mañana line cracks me up every time

  • @jaybot303functionerror4
    @jaybot303functionerror4 10 месяцев назад +5

    Orwell writes in such a uniquely British way.
    For all of flaws his stance on anti Authoritarianism, combined with his staunchly Democratic Socialist world view which he completely acknowledged made his writing biased, gives an unique view of what happened with the international brigades side of the Spanish Civil war.
    Even more so as he firmly a member of higher British middle class, who wrote honest descriptions of what he experienced.

    • @robertharper6481
      @robertharper6481 Месяц назад

      Orwell always took the middle road, perhaps you should examine your own bias before questioning his.

  • @unallamaa
    @unallamaa 7 дней назад

    Very good book, only 4 and a half hours in but I’m liking it so far 👍

  • @Abhinav-xs5jx
    @Abhinav-xs5jx 2 года назад +1

    Ch 4 1:13:16
    Ch 6 2:27:55
    Ch 7 2:57:57
    Ch 9 3:43:28
    Ch10 4:09:40
    Ch11 5:08:24
    Ch12 6:14:39
    Personal Bookmark 7:20:00

  • @josephhernandez9531
    @josephhernandez9531 Год назад +3

    “…all sleeping the deep, deep sleep of England, from which I sometimes fear that we shall never wake till we are jerked out of it by the roar of bombs.”
    Haunting.

    • @scandited2763
      @scandited2763 7 месяцев назад

      This is exactly what I felt. By the end of the book I could feel an exhaustion from all the events occurred in Spain. Slowly, as Blairs approached England, a description of the surroundings made me to finally experience the relief, later catching me of guard on this line, knowing, that this is exactly what will happen years later

  • @bahaahm1301
    @bahaahm1301 4 года назад +12

    Really excellent reading!

  • @carolinedunleavy6398
    @carolinedunleavy6398 4 года назад +5

    😀😀 I just wanted yo be the 100th comment 😙❤🎉🎈🎊🎊

  • @Eris123451
    @Eris123451 Месяц назад

    Great book anyone who hasn't read it, (listened to it,) should.

  • @mkwke215
    @mkwke215 3 года назад +54

    Oh boy I can't wait to read another book by the famous anti-socialist republican George Orwell. Certainly hope this won't disappoint me 😊😊

    • @user-yc6vr8vn5j
      @user-yc6vr8vn5j 3 года назад +7

      Lol

    • @Zwia.
      @Zwia. 3 года назад +2

      He was a socialist

    • @mkwke215
      @mkwke215 3 года назад +1

      @@Zwia. bullshit he fought for the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War.

    • @Zwia.
      @Zwia. 3 года назад +6

      @@mkwke215 you are stupido

    • @renlevy411
      @renlevy411 3 года назад +5

      @banjaxeguitars banjaxeguitars You know being a "Middle Class" Anarcho-Communist is not an oxymoron or contradiction. As long as you don't own private business of course.

  • @nicholassoto8732
    @nicholassoto8732 5 лет назад +13

    1:29:05 chapter 5

  • @grim524
    @grim524 Год назад +1

    Great book, excellent narration! 3:36:00

  • @joelhammer3538
    @joelhammer3538 2 года назад

    Thank you so much.

  • @janetdoody4133
    @janetdoody4133 2 года назад

    Exceptionally well written and beautifully narrated book. I thought it would be boring but far from it!

  • @jamesmelt
    @jamesmelt 4 года назад +46

    Join the IWW!

    • @davidfriend6462
      @davidfriend6462 4 года назад +5

      When the unions inspiration through the worker's blood shall run.

    • @randyconrad4155
      @randyconrad4155 4 года назад +3

      @@davidfriend6462 there can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun.

    • @joelwilcox5424
      @joelwilcox5424 4 года назад +2

      @@randyconrad4155 Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one

    • @jamesmelt
      @jamesmelt 3 года назад +3

      @@joelwilcox5424 But the union makes us strong!

    • @joelwilcox5424
      @joelwilcox5424 3 года назад +2

      @@jamesmelt _deep breath_ *SOLIDARITY FOREEEEVEER*

  • @ashleysaunders9947
    @ashleysaunders9947 День назад

    Orwell , pure class.

  • @גקליןיפה
    @גקליןיפה Год назад +1

    Hemingway also served in international brigade. Worthwhile to compar e- two writers. Orwell far superior.

  • @hacgarimman9660
    @hacgarimman9660 Год назад +1

    When is the narrator reading Road to Wigan Pier?

  • @Anonymous-qw
    @Anonymous-qw Год назад

    I think George Orwell would have a totally different view of the honesty of The Guardian newspaper if he were still alive now. But I'm enjoying this very much.

  • @peterharrison7205
    @peterharrison7205 8 месяцев назад

    The audio quality seems to deteriorate on 2 different occasions in the last hour or two😢

  • @robertgarrison7836
    @robertgarrison7836 2 года назад +1

    Timelessness.

  • @AG-ni8jm
    @AG-ni8jm Год назад +1

    Aside from the author pronouncing names like Jorge as "horgay" instead of "horhey" this is an excellent narrative

    • @Hunter_Nebid
      @Hunter_Nebid 10 месяцев назад

      Well, it's computer-generated, so... 🤣

  • @DarkEagle01
    @DarkEagle01 Год назад +1

    2:40:00 night trench advance
    6:25:00 hit by a bullet
    2:57:00 night attack

    • @phluxtersharpe4646
      @phluxtersharpe4646 Год назад

      06:25:01... Orwell decides being a socialist is probably a bad idea.

    • @jaybot303functionerror4
      @jaybot303functionerror4 10 месяцев назад

      @@phluxtersharpe4646He was a committed Democratic Socialist until he died.
      He was against Authoritarianism & anti Democratic Communism.

  • @brenda4979
    @brenda4979 3 года назад +2

    Note
    1:05:44
    Orwell describes the measly weapons they were given.

    • @peacock8394
      @peacock8394 3 года назад

      It was Russia not Catalonia. George Orwell was sent as a German spy to Russia in order to learn about Russian army's mitary capability, but later as he moved to the UK he thought he couldn't confess the actual truth so he changed place, event and person names in his books. Russian weapons always sucked everybody knows that, right.

  • @paulstewart6293
    @paulstewart6293 2 года назад

    Would this be the same accent and cadence of Orwell? Seems a bit quick.

  • @trevorhope8447
    @trevorhope8447 2 года назад

    Wow! What an ending.

  • @RustyShackleford-ji8mz
    @RustyShackleford-ji8mz 27 дней назад

    The Frederick Davidson version is the best by far , but interesting to hear , thanks

  • @taskforceandy2830
    @taskforceandy2830 4 года назад +2

    Has anyone noticed that chapter 10 here is chapter 9 in the book?

    • @kc.dia.
      @kc.dia. 3 года назад +3

      I think it has something to do with the published versions. 2 of the chapters in my version is annexed to the back of the book and says where it would have appeared in the original

  • @nicholassoto8732
    @nicholassoto8732 5 лет назад +9

    4:09:41 chapter 10

  • @Greenwashing101
    @Greenwashing101 3 года назад +1

    can you share the credit for the reader please? Im hoping to subscribe to which audio book app have him as one of their readers. thank you

    • @buddhist.wisdom
      @buddhist.wisdom 2 года назад +1

      Patrick Tull. He's a legend!

    • @markscott554
      @markscott554 2 года назад +1

      He does Down and Out in Paris and London, too. Awesome.

  • @sophiarevel6952
    @sophiarevel6952 Год назад

    By the way I just love the accent. Very Orwell sounding! 👍

  • @skoomadesu2553
    @skoomadesu2553 Год назад

    This is just like George Orwells book 1984🧓🏿

  • @terrancehazzard3733
    @terrancehazzard3733 4 года назад +1

    Chapter 7 2:58:00

  • @rebecca1100
    @rebecca1100 2 года назад

    3:35:00 Orwell goes back to Barcelona. Narrative of the social situation. The mystic of socialism

    • @rebecca1100
      @rebecca1100 2 года назад

      3:49:00 society in Barcelona back to normal on his leave.

    • @rebecca1100
      @rebecca1100 2 года назад

      4:40:00 The civil war and the blame on POUM

    • @rebecca1100
      @rebecca1100 2 года назад

      5:02:00 The suspicion and tense atmosphere of Barcelona amongst the facist allegations.

    • @rebecca1100
      @rebecca1100 2 года назад

      Chapter 11 the inter party complications and the fact that historians will document this solely on bias newspapers

  • @brenda4979
    @brenda4979 3 года назад +2

    It's interesting he mentions cordite instead of gun powder.

    • @Brokentwobutton
      @Brokentwobutton 3 года назад +7

      Cordite replaced gunpowder decades before these events

  • @alexskopic4044
    @alexskopic4044 4 года назад +9

    27:19 Chapter Two

  • @robzilla730
    @robzilla730 2 года назад +2

    I'm waiting for Homage to Kievalonia...

  • @standziobek7108
    @standziobek7108 4 года назад +6

    Up the workers

  • @ianinkster2261
    @ianinkster2261 3 года назад +1

    Sounds like John Hurt after smoking 10 of Eddie Valliant's cigars.

  • @brenda4979
    @brenda4979 3 года назад +2

    1:00:05 god I love this guy🤣🤣

  • @LauraRodriguez-ib3pt
    @LauraRodriguez-ib3pt 5 месяцев назад

    Good book

  • @megsmanxzavier7881
    @megsmanxzavier7881 Месяц назад

    Yeah I can understand his hate for journalists after this

  • @sumvs5992
    @sumvs5992 2 года назад +4

    Paraphrasing - "Spain established a republic after hundreds of years of monarchy and dictatorship"
    Isn't that just a funny thing? You establish a republic after all that, that then helps start a civil war which results in the establishment of a dictatorship and later the re-establishment of the monarchy.

    • @digaddog6099
      @digaddog6099 Год назад

      To be fair, sometimes that's just how the cookie crumbles. Take a look at France, for instance

    • @QueerChica
      @QueerChica Год назад +1

      Though it has been freer here since '75... x

    • @DF-ss5ep
      @DF-ss5ep 5 месяцев назад

      Upsie daisie that's just how the cookie crumbles. Oh well, better luck next time 🤷‍♂️

  • @cyberneticsiren
    @cyberneticsiren Год назад

    6:24:59 description of getting shot in the throat

  • @mhick3333
    @mhick3333 2 года назад

    the spanish labyrnth is a good complement to this book

  • @brenda4979
    @brenda4979 3 года назад

    1:13:15 chapter 4
    (Just after reckless gun play part 😂)

  • @kvothekingkiller1754
    @kvothekingkiller1754 4 года назад

    Where o left off
    1:03:07
    1:59:18
    2:52:41
    3:05:51
    6:35:25
    7:04:51
    7:22:51

  • @t.mac_k
    @t.mac_k Год назад

    bookmark 6:46:17

  • @dscobeans
    @dscobeans 3 года назад

    7:10:00 bookmark

  • @noizeskank
    @noizeskank 5 лет назад +1

    3:52:00

  • @DarkEagle01
    @DarkEagle01 Год назад

    1:08:00 FAI Bomb

  • @Daniel-wz5ls
    @Daniel-wz5ls 2 года назад

    59:30 3 ppl searching

  • @CaptainHarlock-kv4zt
    @CaptainHarlock-kv4zt 4 года назад +1

    2.58.02 Chapter-7

  • @rogerwelsh2335
    @rogerwelsh2335 Год назад +2

    I never understood how Orwell could write Animal Farm and 1984 and be a socialist at the same time.

    • @phluxtersharpe4646
      @phluxtersharpe4646 Год назад

      Maybe getting shot in the throat had something to do w it. F him either way.

    • @KennyMcC
      @KennyMcC Год назад +1

      Those came years later, when he’d matured and had come to his senses. He admitted this in writings shortly before he passed.

    • @louishennick6883
      @louishennick6883 10 месяцев назад +1

      I don’t see how anyone could blindly have faith in socialism or capitalism either. Nether one is functional in the extreme sense.

  • @gustavalexander8676
    @gustavalexander8676 3 месяца назад

    I wonder why all the right wingers who constantly reference animal farm or 1984 never seem to know 'Homage to Catalonia'?

  • @faeziieieieis3256
    @faeziieieieis3256 4 года назад +2

    .

  • @ricocottrell3017
    @ricocottrell3017 3 года назад

    3:50

  • @dannydreadnought-xk4qx
    @dannydreadnought-xk4qx 8 месяцев назад

    0:24

  • @letsdoathing9568
    @letsdoathing9568 4 года назад

    35:19

  • @tommylagan
    @tommylagan 2 года назад

    He spoke how the working class turned on each other for the Russians

  • @AlphaGamerDelux
    @AlphaGamerDelux Год назад

    Rap god: 2:28:41

  • @thallesvinicius2729
    @thallesvinicius2729 3 года назад

    03:03----01

  • @LegendofNelda
    @LegendofNelda 9 месяцев назад +1

    In retrospect, the modern world proves Franco and especially Primo De Rivera correct

  • @brenda4979
    @brenda4979 3 года назад

    48:22 😂😂😂

  • @robzilla730
    @robzilla730 2 года назад +5

    George Orwell's spiritual successor is fighting in Ukraine right now

    • @jessl1934
      @jessl1934 Год назад

      George Orwell was a socialist. Zelenskyy is a neoliberal who has banned and liquidated socialist parties, and he is auctioning off Ukrainian state assets to the highest bidders in a mass scale privatisation effort.
      How is he Orwell's spiritual successor again?

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    @T-qx74 5 месяцев назад

    4

  • @dylanwatson6636
    @dylanwatson6636 2 года назад

    3 56 46

  • @matthiasthulman4058
    @matthiasthulman4058 5 лет назад

    6:01:58

  • @carolinedunleavy6398
    @carolinedunleavy6398 4 года назад +1

    ☻😜

  • @surfstrat59
    @surfstrat59 3 года назад +1

    Farcical...

    • @paulssss5463
      @paulssss5463 3 года назад +1

      lol what

    • @surfstrat59
      @surfstrat59 3 года назад +2

      @@paulssss5463 I mean to say that the Spanish Civil War was a farce. A comic-farce...

    • @paulssss5463
      @paulssss5463 3 года назад +2

      @@surfstrat59 in what sense

  • @ffSleepy
    @ffSleepy 4 года назад +2

    Sounds like a shittier version of what we're already doing. To bad it's coming true.

    • @KO-fx8bp
      @KO-fx8bp 4 года назад +3

      I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm wondering if the laws of our republic are strong enough to steer clear of fascism and our vision to see past grievance politics will somehow help us quite literally dodge the bullet.

    • @ashschilling8672
      @ashschilling8672 4 года назад +6

      What’s upsetting is that the Spanish Civil War isn’t even in American high school curriculums anymore.

    • @shubhamwr
      @shubhamwr 4 года назад +3

      @@ashschilling8672 r you serious that u expect them to put this in American schools when what they like to teach their students is how anti socialist orwell was by quoting his Animal Farm? Getting people to know about Catalonia would be disastrous

    • @carolinedunleavy6398
      @carolinedunleavy6398 4 года назад

      @@shubhamwr ??🤔elaborate plz I'm just trying to educate myself x

    • @Kaz70009
      @Kaz70009 3 года назад +2

      @@carolinedunleavy6398 George Orwell was a democratic socialist for most of his life.
      It's no secret that George hated Stalinism and the URSS after Lenin in general, one of his main reasons was the fact that Stalin and the USSR played a big role on the Fall of Revolutionary Catalonia.

  • @KennyMcC
    @KennyMcC Год назад +1

    It’s curious that Orwell acknowledged early in the book that he understood very little about politics in Spain and that he didn’t really understand what the conflict was all about. Yet he didn’t edit out his continuous and disingenuous use of the word “fascists” to describe the ‘enemy’. Quite shameful.

    • @louishennick6883
      @louishennick6883 10 месяцев назад +1

      At first I thought that too however I learned that the word fascist was only what they had referred to themselves as. He wasn’t and couldn’t have been using it in the pejorative as we do now because the word had not acquired that sense of meaning yet.
      Look up the semantic change of the word fascist, you might be surprised.

    • @louishennick6883
      @louishennick6883 10 месяцев назад +1

      In less words that particular group actually called themselves “the fascists” (just as the anarchists would call themselves the anarchists)
      Thus there was nothing else to call them.

    • @KennyMcC
      @KennyMcC 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@louishennick6883 I’ve just finished reading “Mine Were Of Trouble” by Peter Kemp, who fought on the side of Franco’s Nationalists. The author became a senior officer and kept a diary of events throughout his time in Spain, which formed the basis of the book.
      They referred to themselves as Nationalists. The term ‘fascist’ did get a few mentions but only when referring to The Falange.
      I think Orwell mistakenly used the term ‘Fascist’ based on the movement of that name in Italy. There were very few similarities between the two groups.
      I highly recommend Kemp’s book. 👍

  • @DMBall
    @DMBall 4 года назад +4

    A great writer, but naive about the Civil War. The atrocities committed by the CNT in the early days of the conflict already had tipped the balance of public opinion at home and abroad irrevocably against the Republic by the time Orwell wrote this.

    • @paulssss5463
      @paulssss5463 3 года назад +9

      I don't want to be the "both sides" guy but the nationalists committed mass atrocities as well.

    • @KalashVodka175
      @KalashVodka175 2 года назад

      @@paulssss5463 Many of the "both sides" guys were executed or imprisoned by both sides (IRONY!) of the civil war.
      Pretty funny in a dark way.

    • @BiWesCrew
      @BiWesCrew 2 года назад +3

      Well giving that the CNT at that time was the biggest Union in the world back then with about 500.000 members and just one paid secretary/ clerk and the treatment they came from...there sure have been scores to settle..
      But most of the atrocities have more to do with beeing blamed by Bolschewist counter revolutionist to phrase it. Just like with the Maknovchina in Ukraine under Lenin and Stalin.

    • @jessl1934
      @jessl1934 Год назад +2

      ​@@BiWesCrew lmao are you really gonna sit here and blame the atrocities committed by the CNT and Makhnovia on Bolshevism? 😂😂
      Is the Bolshevism here with us in the room right now?

  • @SuperBartles
    @SuperBartles 5 лет назад +11

    Orwell, in several books, occasionally starts pontificating about politics in what seems to me a silly way. I was spellbound until about 2 hours in, and I'm sure I will be again later on in the audiobook
    There are sections like this even in "Down and out in Paris and London" - one of my favourite books ever - when he starts droning on about how Paris dishwashers exist just to keep the working class down.
    "Forget, for a moment" he says "the economic justifications why 1000s of dodgy restaurants exist, paying plongeurs a pittance....." but the problem is that those restaurants are the way they are precisely for economic reasons. Introduce minimum wages and there will be fewer restaurants, fewer jobs. It's all very well announcing that poorly paid jobs are "slavery" - they're not, especially now with welfare benefits - but isn't it nonsense to then demand that jobs appear on the job tree, or that government should "make the jobs appear"?

    • @SuperBartles
      @SuperBartles 5 лет назад +4

      Hope you enjoyed the rant about a different book. Anyway, for a while here he's obviously wishing that the revolution would happen - which seems dated. I know he sees a different side to the Communists, and to some extent the Left in general, by the end of the book

    • @Συναισθησις
      @Συναισθησις 5 лет назад +3

      Why does it "seem dated"?

    • @stopmakingeyesatme1290
      @stopmakingeyesatme1290 4 года назад +28

      With respect, I think the key to understanding this is Orwell's commitment to democratic socialism, which in his time wasn't just the social democracy of Bernie Sanders or Jeremy Corbyn but a whole different way of organizing work itself. You could also call it a kind of left libertarianism. Very basically, if the people who work in the restaurants manage and own the restaurants together too, they'll get a fairer share of the gain. Now imagine this relationship across the economy, with everyone owning and managing things together - with incentives to be productive because they gain directly from their work - and without any boss or CEO figures lapping up excess.
      This kind of vision for society has become less fashionable than it was in the early 20th century. But it's important to realize that Orwell wasn't calling on the government to solve everyone's problems, but for the workers to reorganize society in the above manner. And the revolution he wished for was *that* revolution, and decidedly not the Stalinist revolutions of the mid-20th century.
      (Lastly, it's worth mentioning that Orwell considered himself to be less politically mature prior to the experiences in Homage to Catalonia than afterwards.)

    • @SuperBartles
      @SuperBartles 4 года назад +3

      @@stopmakingeyesatme1290 Well that's very interesting - and it seems a fair description of his vision.
      I do still wonder if it can be achieved, and whether many people in Russia & China were persuaded by just such a pitch to support certain goals - if a revolution happens at all, things are unpredictable: you get the most ruthless politician, so they got Mao and Lenin/Stalin.
      My initial rant was a bit tangential. HtC is a remarkable book. There's a historian who says Orwell misunderstood/misrepresented the political scenario in Spain - but that historian himself seems to be very political
      I'm now listening to "Coming up for air" which is much more personal, and wonderful as a mid-life-crisis story AND as a description of one facet of England in the early 20th C.

    • @stevenbevilacqua6134
      @stevenbevilacqua6134 4 года назад +2

      Harry Lagman lf you also read ‘The Road to Wigan Pier’, in the second part he criticises the cosmopolitan left and questions their true motives for adopting such radical views, suggesting control and envy of wealth to be the real reasons.

  • @derekfraser3379
    @derekfraser3379 3 года назад +2

    Great listen .. as a Scottish Socialist though .. these misleading references to England /Great Britain as if both one and the same are highly annoying .. both the Scottish and the Irish volounteered and fought bravely against facism .. to look at ' england ' today you'd think this was a work of fiction , theres no more facist a country in Europe.

    • @Zwia.
      @Zwia. 3 года назад +8

      You sound more like a nationalist than a socialist.
      How do you know who did and did not fight bravely? I imagine some Scots did while others coward at the first sound of gunfire You generalise too much, people are not set down narrow linear lines or defined by their country of birth. It isn't healthy, look at how doing so has you hating the English.
      Your outrageous suggestion that England is the most fascist country in Europe can only mean you are either ignorant or your anti-English agenda is causing some type of derangement.
      If I argued in a nationalist manner like you then I could easily point out more Englishmen died fighting Fascists than Scots or Irish. Or how the so-called enlightened Nordics traded with the Nazis while they killed their jewish population. Or how the Swiss happily did the Nazis banking.
      England has never had a Fascist or far right government. Not many European countries can boast the same. Germany, Spain, France, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Norway, Austria, Poland... All have had Fascist or far right governments in recent history.
      Hungary have a far right government now. Golden Dawn was recently the third most popular party in Greece. The National Front recently came second in France. Lega Nord is one of the larger parties in Italy and their leader was recently deputy Prime Minister. But you say England are the Fascists!?
      The far right never come near power in mainstream politics in England in the numbers they do in continental Europe.
      Quite frankly Orwell would be shaking his head at you.

    • @Urov.
      @Urov. 3 года назад +1

      @@Zwia. The SNP have a lot of Scots all wound up to hate the English. They say they aren't your typical racist nationalists but they really are, they just do it in a more subtle manner.
      If this guy thinks the english are the biggest facists in europe then he should take a look at spain who sent the national police down to catalonia to beat bloody civilians trying to vote in the independence referendum. UK government meanwhile, majority english, allowed an independence referendum that went smoothly. Those evil fascists!

    • @derekfraser3379
      @derekfraser3379 3 года назад +1

      @@Zwia. the narration of the book mentions Glasgow in the context of england , it's no surprise to us , you say i generalise too much , yet you're ok with the generalisation of 3 seperate nations not even giben the credit of u.k. but england , any self respecting Scot would pick up on this.
      However , feel free to assume.

    • @derekfraser3379
      @derekfraser3379 3 года назад

      @@Urov. iam unaware of such feelings towards the english , iam not a member of the SNP , anti british feeling though is rife , you're just unable to tell the difference .. which proves my initial point.
      The english see Scotland as part of england.

    • @Zwia.
      @Zwia. 3 года назад +6

      @@derekfraser3379 That's what made you angry about this book? Jesus your priorities are way off. Abject poverty and misery and you are worried about Scotland being called England? Only a mouth-frothing nationalist would zero in on this.
      You claim that the English see Scotland as a colony, another wild generalisation, some do I guess but most know it is a seperate country with sweeping devolution combined with representation in the UK Parliament, which grants Scotland more money than it pays into it's coffers, very colonial huh?
      Orwell goes into this matter further in his essay; 'THE LION AND THE UNICORN: SOCIALISM AND THE ENGLISH GENIUS", he outlines how trivial he sees the idea of nationalism and even patriotism to an extent, as distractions from the important issues.
      "I have spoken all the while of “the nation”, “England”, “Britain’”, as though 45 million souls could somehow be treated as a unit. But is not England notoriously two nations, the rich and the poor? Dare one pretend that there is anything in common between people with £100,000 a year and people with £1 a week? And even Welsh and Scottish readers are likely to have been offended because I have used the word “England” oftener than “Britain”, as though the whole population dwelt in London and the Home Counties and neither north nor west possessed a culture of its own.
      One gets a better view of this question if one considers the minor point first. It is quite true that the so-called races of Britain feel themselves to be very different from one another. A Scotsman, for instance, does not thank you if you call him an Englishman. You can see the hesitation we feel on this point by the fact that we call our islands by no less than six different names, England, Britain, Great Britain, the British Isles, the United Kingdom and, in very exalted moments, Albion. Even the differences between north and south England loom large in our own eyes. But somehow these differences fade away the moment that any two Britons are confronted by a European. It is very rare to meet a foreigner, other than an American, who can distinguish between English and Scots or even English and Irish. To a Frenchman, the Breton and the Auvergnat seem very different beings, and the accent of Marseilles is a stock joke in Paris. Yet we speak of “France” and “the French”, recognizing France as an entity, a single civilization, which in fact it is. So also with ourselves. Looked at from the outside, even the cockney and the Yorkshireman have a strong family resemblance."

  • @giftenjoyer3664
    @giftenjoyer3664 3 года назад

    Never cringed more in my whole life

    • @chopeda5822
      @chopeda5822 3 года назад +12

      Why

    • @user-hu3iy9gz5j
      @user-hu3iy9gz5j Год назад +1

      When you wrote this comment?

    • @0dds388
      @0dds388 Год назад +2

      @@chopeda5822hat means they are a counter-revolutionary. Wether of the Fascist or Stalinist type, we will never know.