It seems this strat can lead to the 20s clipping the 8s and vice versa. You might want to try using 8, 12, 16, 20 from top to bottom so that the 8s and 20s are far away from each other.
You can just sort it THRM and it eliminates having to care about what timer goes where entirely. Sometimes one person may have to slightly adjust but you're already adjusting for this mech as it stands. All that matters fully is that 20 dips their toes in first.
@@yallqaeda1349 Hey, I'm the original creator for this strat I guess, made it for day two to my static before PF has seen it. To fix this problem, you need to take a step back from the original position when your debuff counter hits 1 (something around 1 meter (half-character length)) The other solution is adjust to the side after having your debuff go off, then adjust back near mid for center explosion, before finally going back north or south before swapping sides.
You can solve the problem by having 20s stick to the middle for the time the big aoes go off. Then move to north after the others clear up to dump their big aoe.
A suggestion for everyone who Raids in PF. To avoid 20s and 8s clip, 8s can move on 12s’ position after their (12s) big AoE goes off. Doing so, 20s have plenty of room to run outside the boss’ hitbox without clip with anyone. (Assuming these timer positions, 20s run away towards NW/NE).
It looks easy but super hard to pull if off in PF. I just did some experiments in PF and people couldn't spread out enough for the timer position (especially 8 and 12), and killed each other to that huge aoes. You need good markers or downtime melees for the spread. Edit (3 hours later): just cleared p6 using this strat on pf. For 8 and 12, you def need to spread much wider than what it shows in the video. Also, pop sprint if you are 8 and 20 after 20 explodes, they can be clipped when one goes out and one goes in. Also, don't forget to switch colors! GL!
"PF" There's your problem. PF isn't about clearing unless you're lucky and get the static that needs a sub, invites you to their static discord voicechat with callouts and all. You might get that coordinated group of disparate players but it's rare. PF is for practicing mechanics and seeing if you, individually, can pass what you've been having trouble with amongst fellow raiders
@@gmyza4849 Brother i cleared last tier on pf only and it was my first lol, please don't spread misinformation if u can't find good groups on pf. Not everyone can join a static and it's not impossible to clear. People even clear ultimate on pf only lol
@@gmyza4849 wrong, I have even cleared ultimates on pf and the last three tiers, yeah is harder than a group you see two to five times a week, but everything is possible on pf even if it takes longer or can be hard sometimes.
We did it with the 20s immediately running in and having 8, 12 and 16 spread very wide around the boss. By the time the 20s run out towards north, the 8s will run in and the 20s can take their spots. Should leave plenty of room and as long as the 8s move in early enough, there should be no clipping of with the aoes.
@@gmyza4849 wrong. no callout needed whatsoever to clear any fight in this game if you and the others are competent. pugging is rng, and that's it. Literally the same as static. sometimes you get a good group, sometimes you don't. Don't go around spreading disinformation please.
For our group, we positioned 8, 12, 16, 20 from North to South, 20 starts inside the boss. After their thing goes off, they run away south as the 8s are running in south, it prevented a lot of accidental deaths when the 20s AoE goes off around the same time the 8s need to move in.
One more tip besides using the hitbox I would add is 8 and 20 should go in/out right after the cast bar finishes. That's a lot easier than trying to time explosions and no counting is necessary. I think your positioning before is better than this one honestly. Having 20 and 8 next to each other increases the risk of error when they're both moving in and out unless you use the JP strat where all rotate clockwise.
This strat is killing people in PF left and right. People aren't spreading widely enough and clipping all the time. It's much better to just have the 20s start in, giving the other 6 more room to spread outside. As long as the 20s are mindful not to overlap eachother on the way out north after their predations, it works much more cleanly. It's ESPECIALLY bad when groups hard stick to Diamond LC as well, because they have to put markers for that and then guess at spacing for this strat, which is a much more punishing mech.
@@KelttenTV When I said in, I meant the 20s start close together in the middle of the hitbox, giving the other 6 people TONS of room to spread max melee outside the hitbox while their aoes go off. The 20s inside have plenty of time to spread apart a bit before the end of the predation cast. As long as they are given room to leave to the north while their aoes go off after predation hits, everything goes smoothly with very little risk of clipping. It's just Ilya strat or what Primal sometimes calls Imi. A bit more movement but very safe and consistent, which is honestly far more important in PF.
This strat is very clean and helps with positioning. Good work! However, there's an alternative way to treat the timers. If you're struggling with determining color and timer in one go, you can do away with memorizing all the timings and positions for timers. You only need to note who has the longest (20) timer in the beginning. Everyone else can situate themselves according to colors and then at any clock spot near the boss hitbox. The timing for walking in can be determined by the order that people are hit by the initial impact from their debuff (easy visual). Use that visual to determine when to move in. (Of course, only note 20 so they go first.) &-
In jp servers we are doing the same thing but instead of going 8,20,12,16 north to south we are just doing T,H,D,D (dps prio North D1 D2 R1 R2 South). Then solve the same way. That way you going to pretty much the same place on boss hitbox just different sides of the boss. Our markers are also places in melee range so that you stand in them and cannot clip others with you explosions.
The strat is extremely consistent no matter the order but just change the markers. Put the markers in the outer ring of tiles, so just not the inner 4 or the very corners on the line that touches the centre four and in the middle of each tile - two tiny squares to the left and right. You do that and it's not possible to clip each other with aoes no more.
As good as the intention of this video is, its caused nothing but headaches on aether. The clipping is absurd and if you try to make people rearrange like your comment suggest they just leave and disband. I'm sorry but pugs are too stupid to read pf descriptions, I don't think they're going to check your comment.
This version was a mess on pf, not because its not good but because people dont distribute well around the boss and we often get hit by other peoples timers
As much as I like your guides, but this is an incredibly messy strat that requires way too precise positioning. 20s and 8s are just bound to clip each other constantly. This makes PFs hardwall in Cachexia.
tried this in pf for several hours and people cant get it, we keep clipping each other so i saw most people returned to ilya strat which yes requires movement but much less foulproof re: clipping
Curious - any advantage of adding the complexity of timers? You can just do role priority since it's always role split. Spots are almost perfect for this, and movement already works. Also you can jut use the shield debuff timer (vuln debuff) to walk in at 1st, unless you're the 20s, where you're first.
With this strat, you walk in when the person to the north of you gets hit, rather than having to figure out "am I supposed to be second or third with 12s timer..." or having to watch your debuffs for when the vuln wears off.
Couldn't you just stack in the center. Move into 20/16/12/8 North to South. If its green you're on the right. If its purple you're on the left. Have 20 bait then 8/12/16 and swap sides after 16 for Ptera?
does anyone have any videos of this strat working, I just have a hard time compensating for the size of the aoes and trying to put everyone around the boss in that manner and not clip anyone
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i have a question about this mechanic, that i hope i can get an answer to. why do you put snakes on wing side at the start. if they swap after the dual predation bait. is it cause that too does extra dmg if u stand on snake side with snake debuff?
Not just extra damage; Instant death levels of damage. The dual predation baits target the nearest player on snake side with a snake attack and nearest player on wing side with a wing attack. If you have snake debuff and take a snake attack, the damage will 1-shot you. Same thing if you have wing debuff and take a wing attack.
@@__Mac_ Everyone who isn't actively eating a mechanic is standing due south for easier healing. Resolve AOE in the south corners, move directly into the hitbox west/east to take your Dual Predation, and then you're free to stack south again.
@@christopherbailey3547 Not really. You pre-assign spots based on role, and if your debuff matches the side you're on, you swap with the person across from you. You have to pay more attention with this strat because you have 8 possible places you can be every time you get to cach 1.
I think this is the most braindead strat out there right now. Purple West, Green East ■ Cachexia 1 (ZizieZip) T T H H ※ 20s > 8s > 12s > 16s D D under boss circle D D priority D1D2D3D4 Left to right
This is my favorite one too. I don't think a lot of people realize that the green/purple debuffs are split into light parties so you can assign role positions.
@@magicalhermitcrab5912 Left side D1 > D2 > D3 > D4 Right side For example, D1 & D4 has purple debuff and D2 & D3 has green debuff. On Purple West, D1 has priority to the left side over D4, D1 will be on the 1st spot(most left), while D4 on 2nd. On Green East, D3 has priority to the right side over D2, D3 will be on the 4th spot(most right) while D2 on 3rd. One thing to take note, the boss will target the 2 closest players for 4 times, only during the players turn to bait will those players stand inside the hitbox, move out after baiting. For best result, only move slightly inside the boss hitbox to avoid clipping with another player who is baiting as well.
It seems this strat can lead to the 20s clipping the 8s and vice versa. You might want to try using 8, 12, 16, 20 from top to bottom so that the 8s and 20s are far away from each other.
You can just sort it THRM and it eliminates having to care about what timer goes where entirely. Sometimes one person may have to slightly adjust but you're already adjusting for this mech as it stands. All that matters fully is that 20 dips their toes in first.
This fix works great, but unfortunately the damage has already been done - PF refuses to deviate from 20/8/12/16 now :(
@@yallqaeda1349 Hey, I'm the original creator for this strat I guess, made it for day two to my static before PF has seen it.
To fix this problem, you need to take a step back from the original position when your debuff counter hits 1 (something around 1 meter (half-character length))
The other solution is adjust to the side after having your debuff go off, then adjust back near mid for center explosion, before finally going back north or south before swapping sides.
@@yallqaeda1349 Yeah. Unfortunately they're stuck on timer positions rather than just doing the easy thing now.
You can solve the problem by having 20s stick to the middle for the time the big aoes go off. Then move to north after the others clear up to dump their big aoe.
you could also add the castbar for dual predation which indicates when the 20s do their baits as the cast bar ends
A suggestion for everyone who Raids in PF. To avoid 20s and 8s clip, 8s can move on 12s’ position after their (12s) big AoE goes off. Doing so, 20s have plenty of room to run outside the boss’ hitbox without clip with anyone.
(Assuming these timer positions, 20s run away towards NW/NE).
It looks easy but super hard to pull if off in PF. I just did some experiments in PF and people couldn't spread out enough for the timer position (especially 8 and 12), and killed each other to that huge aoes. You need good markers or downtime melees for the spread.
Edit (3 hours later): just cleared p6 using this strat on pf. For 8 and 12, you def need to spread much wider than what it shows in the video. Also, pop sprint if you are 8 and 20 after 20 explodes, they can be clipped when one goes out and one goes in. Also, don't forget to switch colors! GL!
"PF"
There's your problem. PF isn't about clearing unless you're lucky and get the static that needs a sub, invites you to their static discord voicechat with callouts and all. You might get that coordinated group of disparate players but it's rare. PF is for practicing mechanics and seeing if you, individually, can pass what you've been having trouble with amongst fellow raiders
@@gmyza4849 Brother i cleared last tier on pf only and it was my first lol, please don't spread misinformation if u can't find good groups on pf. Not everyone can join a static and it's not impossible to clear. People even clear ultimate on pf only lol
@@gmyza4849 wrong, I have even cleared ultimates on pf and the last three tiers, yeah is harder than a group you see two to five times a week, but everything is possible on pf even if it takes longer or can be hard sometimes.
We did it with the 20s immediately running in and having 8, 12 and 16 spread very wide around the boss. By the time the 20s run out towards north, the 8s will run in and the 20s can take their spots. Should leave plenty of room and as long as the 8s move in early enough, there should be no clipping of with the aoes.
@@gmyza4849 wrong. no callout needed whatsoever to clear any fight in this game if you and the others are competent. pugging is rng, and that's it. Literally the same as static. sometimes you get a good group, sometimes you don't. Don't go around spreading disinformation please.
For our group, we positioned 8, 12, 16, 20 from North to South, 20 starts inside the boss. After their thing goes off, they run away south as the 8s are running in south, it prevented a lot of accidental deaths when the 20s AoE goes off around the same time the 8s need to move in.
that's a good tip, thanks
I'm so salty that I had to do this the other way now, this is SO MUCH easier lmfao. Godspeed, thanks for raising PF's clear rate by 50%
Ilya strats always suck haha
Thanks hector!
One more tip besides using the hitbox I would add is 8 and 20 should go in/out right after the cast bar finishes. That's a lot easier than trying to time explosions and no counting is necessary.
I think your positioning before is better than this one honestly. Having 20 and 8 next to each other increases the risk of error when they're both moving in and out unless you use the JP strat where all rotate clockwise.
This strat is killing people in PF left and right. People aren't spreading widely enough and clipping all the time. It's much better to just have the 20s start in, giving the other 6 more room to spread outside. As long as the 20s are mindful not to overlap eachother on the way out north after their predations, it works much more cleanly. It's ESPECIALLY bad when groups hard stick to Diamond LC as well, because they have to put markers for that and then guess at spacing for this strat, which is a much more punishing mech.
If the 20s start out and go in after the 8s pop gives a lot more wiggle room as the 20s were getting clipped by 8s in most matches ive seen.
@@KelttenTV When I said in, I meant the 20s start close together in the middle of the hitbox, giving the other 6 people TONS of room to spread max melee outside the hitbox while their aoes go off. The 20s inside have plenty of time to spread apart a bit before the end of the predation cast. As long as they are given room to leave to the north while their aoes go off after predation hits, everything goes smoothly with very little risk of clipping. It's just Ilya strat or what Primal sometimes calls Imi. A bit more movement but very safe and consistent, which is honestly far more important in PF.
@@4NT1N008 That describes party finder perfectly.
The lack of Dual Predation castbar made this confusing to understand. Going through the comments help me better understand what I was looking at.
Thanks so much for these helpful snippits
This strat is very clean and helps with positioning. Good work!
However, there's an alternative way to treat the timers.
If you're struggling with determining color and timer in one go, you can do away with memorizing all the timings and positions for timers.
You only need to note who has the longest (20) timer in the beginning.
Everyone else can situate themselves according to colors and then at any clock spot near the boss hitbox. The timing for walking in can be determined by the order that people are hit by the initial impact from their debuff (easy visual). Use that visual to determine when to move in. (Of course, only note 20 so they go first.)
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In jp servers we are doing the same thing but instead of going 8,20,12,16 north to south we are just doing T,H,D,D (dps prio North D1 D2 R1 R2 South). Then solve the same way. That way you going to pretty much the same place on boss hitbox just different sides of the boss. Our markers are also places in melee range so that you stand in them and cannot clip others with you explosions.
Thanks, really want the P7S now, people are bad there they need you!
The strat is extremely consistent no matter the order but just change the markers. Put the markers in the outer ring of tiles, so just not the inner 4 or the very corners on the line that touches the centre four and in the middle of each tile - two tiny squares to the left and right. You do that and it's not possible to clip each other with aoes no more.
As good as the intention of this video is, its caused nothing but headaches on aether. The clipping is absurd and if you try to make people rearrange like your comment suggest they just leave and disband. I'm sorry but pugs are too stupid to read pf descriptions, I don't think they're going to check your comment.
This version was a mess on pf, not because its not good but because people dont distribute well around the boss and we often get hit by other peoples timers
Hector, you are sent by Hydaelyn herself to help us. Thank you!
As much as I like your guides, but this is an incredibly messy strat that requires way too precise positioning. 20s and 8s are just bound to clip each other constantly. This makes PFs hardwall in Cachexia.
tried this in pf for several hours and people cant get it, we keep clipping each other so i saw most people returned to ilya strat which yes requires movement but much less foulproof re: clipping
I can't wait to see p7s and p8s soon
20s should just start in and then exit south after gives more room for everyone less room for error
That's it!
Me still wiping to it: Sure, that's it!
same :D
Curious - any advantage of adding the complexity of timers? You can just do role priority since it's always role split. Spots are almost perfect for this, and movement already works. Also you can jut use the shield debuff timer (vuln debuff) to walk in at 1st, unless you're the 20s, where you're first.
With this strat, you walk in when the person to the north of you gets hit, rather than having to figure out "am I supposed to be second or third with 12s timer..." or having to watch your debuffs for when the vuln wears off.
Couldn't you just stack in the center. Move into 20/16/12/8 North to South. If its green you're on the right. If its purple you're on the left. Have 20 bait then 8/12/16 and swap sides after 16 for Ptera?
This strat needs precise positioning for it to work. I had linked to an image showing the proper markers but it was deleted for some reason 🤷
just for info, you forgot the mini picture on video
did hector re upload to fix the editing error for one of the poly dodges?
This how my static worked out how to do it, knew it would become the norm :)
does anyone have any videos of this strat working, I just have a hard time compensating for the size of the aoes and trying to put everyone around the boss in that manner and not clip anyone
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Thank you :D
i have a question about this mechanic, that i hope i can get an answer to. why do you put snakes on wing side at the start. if they swap after the dual predation bait. is it cause that too does extra dmg if u stand on snake side with snake debuff?
Not just extra damage; Instant death levels of damage.
The dual predation baits target the nearest player on snake side with a snake attack and nearest player on wing side with a wing attack.
If you have snake debuff and take a snake attack, the damage will 1-shot you. Same thing if you have wing debuff and take a wing attack.
@@HectorHectorson ok thanks for the answer. have been wondering about this part for awhile :)
This is far more sane than the other strategies that require movement.
Much less movement than Imi and no adjustment required like in clockspot-swap strat. Hopefully this catches on in PF!
you're definitely gonna be clipping each other in pf with this while imi keeps uptime and has zero risk of killing your friends
is this the same as zizie?
do a video for braindead purgation p7s. its actually the superior strat
i think it's better to show the debuff thks
Seems the whole server is using this strat.... And only 855 likes.....
Ok serious question. My timers were for like 30 seconds. Where do I go there? Im looking and there is nothing for 28/30 second timers
thats a different debuff
imi is definitely better than this man, even jp is using something similar to it
I kind of like the version of this where everyone gathers at the south of the boss only because it's easy for me to start healing them there.
im thinking you are talking about the wrong mech. if the group gathers together you will wipe do to aoe's
@@__Mac_ I'm talking about after they get rid of their debuffs and are no longer targeted by aoes.
@@__Mac_ Everyone who isn't actively eating a mechanic is standing due south for easier healing. Resolve AOE in the south corners, move directly into the hitbox west/east to take your Dual Predation, and then you're free to stack south again.
can your body have the opposite of your debuff? so if you get snake debuff your body can have a wing?
Hector being the best, again :okayge:
This strat is shit, don't use it.
This is still worse than just assigning spots based on role and switching spots with the person across from you based on debuff
@ Chris lee swapping with other people across from you requires too much paying attention to other people and sounds scrambly.
@@christopherbailey3547 Not really. You pre-assign spots based on role, and if your debuff matches the side you're on, you swap with the person across from you. You have to pay more attention with this strat because you have 8 possible places you can be every time you get to cach 1.
So much debate over an easy mechanic lmao PF be wild.
I think this is the most braindead strat out there right now.
Purple West, Green East
■ Cachexia 1 (ZizieZip)
T T
H H ※ 20s > 8s > 12s > 16s
D D under boss circle
D D priority D1D2D3D4 Left to right
This is my favorite one too. I don't think a lot of people realize that the green/purple debuffs are split into light parties so you can assign role positions.
what does "D1D2D3D4" mean?
@@magicalhermitcrab5912 Left side D1 > D2 > D3 > D4 Right side
For example, D1 & D4 has purple debuff and D2 & D3 has green debuff.
On Purple West, D1 has priority to the left side over D4, D1 will be on the 1st spot(most left), while D4 on 2nd.
On Green East, D3 has priority to the right side over D2, D3 will be on the 4th spot(most right) while D2 on 3rd.
One thing to take note, the boss will target the 2 closest players for 4 times, only during the players turn to bait will those players stand inside the hitbox, move out after baiting. For best result, only move slightly inside the boss hitbox to avoid clipping with another player who is baiting as well.