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New Rules To Register Your Goats That Impact Everyone!
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- Опубликовано: 28 окт 2019
- There has been a lot of controversy about a new mandatory change for registering your buck's offspring with American Dairy Goat Association (ADGA). In this video we talk about the changes that will impact us and the pros and cons.
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This is all new to me so I don’t have a “formed opinion” as of now. However, I agree with the “Integrity” part and if we care about integrity then I don’t see this as a negative requirement. Some extra time, effort, and small fee “once in a Bucktime” will become a new normal easily.
On a second note, you get the “Goat News Journalism Award” for how you presented that “Breaking News”. Detailed, and without negative bias!! 😉
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I'm super grateful for the "breaking news" updates I learn better by things being explained rather than reading. I think those who are negative about this just don't like change. The cost thing I get but most other species have been doing dna for years. It will actually improve all the herds in the long run.
Integrity is a great reason. "proof"✔ Charge more per goat to make up for cost.. You have a good herd so you'll be able to recoup. Good luck it will all be OK.. 🕊💗Jeanne on the Oregon Coast
Yes, it is a cost that will have to be put on us buyers :)
I have learned so much from your channel. You provide the best information and explanations as you present it. thank you so much
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It makes sense. It is not a hobby anymore, it is business. When you are setting prices based on blood lines, proof of blood lines is important.
I agree! When building a productive, well built, strong, healthy, beautiful herd it is comforting and genetically sound to DNA type. I myself have been highly discouraged in some of my first time freshener does. It isn't the does fault for not being built correctly! And structural problems such as stepping on her own teat because of loose attachments has happened in my herd. Trust me it is VERY disheartening to watch your doe struggle while your doing everything you can financialy, physically and mentally! We all love our goats and want them to live a long and happy life! Sometimes a seller will tell the buyer what they want them to hear to make a sale. "All of these babies will do well if your doing 4-H." I don't keep pendulous udders." Sometimes a buyer cannot see the parents of the kid. In the long run DNA typing will save a lot of heart ache and 💰 money.
Good luck with your goats everyone!!
Yes! 4H will never make your goat have good confirmation and udders. Never buy a goat you can't see the parent!
Dishonesty in our society has escalated in the last 20+ years. It seems the testing is great protection for people running honest farms. And the only ones you have to test are the males you want to breed. Nice job with your explanation!
I didn't realize that there was so much that went into breeding. I guess we learn do much more everyday.
Lol. There is soooooo much!! :
Good to know. As someone who was out of the goat world and looking to start over again I have been weeding my way threw the adds looking for quality goats. I'm finding lots of shady dealers out their claiming their goats are "registerable" with nothing to back it up. Their just looking for a higher price tag for a pet quality goat. For the honest breeder it is a one time expense for the buck and it helps clear up confusion when their is more than one buck on the property. Many other livestock registries do the same.
I think it's a good idea. Unfortunately not every breeder is doing the right thing. And the timeline is long enough that it should be easy for everyone to comply.
Definitely gives us plenty of time. Over 3 years. I dont want to say the whole intent is simply because some lie. There are mistakes that happen also. However, will be interesting to see the outcome once all these animals are DNA tested. Hope none of my pedigrees have to be changed around! 🤣🤣
@@BlueCactusDairyGoats you are right! Unintended mix ups happen too! Like me the other week... 🤣😂
I think it is a good thing to keep the integrity of the breed.
Also to catch any mistakes. We will all have more accurate pedigrees for sure!
I think is an good idea. The world has changed and it shows in all areas. Its not just animals/goats that people in this world are not truthful about.
I find it a shame that people would lie and therefore the honest folks have to pay more. But that being said, those that are serious about their work will want to have it all on record. It is another expense but if it’s your livelihood, you do it. Thank you for all you share and teach us.
Agree. I feel it is not just for unhonest people but also lagitinate mistakes. Simply to make the pedigrees more sound
Thank you so much for going over these changes! Being relatively new to registered goats it is so helpful for you to explain and help us better understanding these rulings.
Very informative this morning. I also raise Boer goats, and the ABGA has been doing DNA testing for a while, which I am very glad up. Twice in the past 3 years I have had a breakout and I'm not sure who my babies were sired from. If I had not had my bucks dna tested I would not be able to sell my babies as that particular bloodline. Even though ADGA had not required it, my to Nubian bucks are also dna tested. Integrity is very important. The cost for testing is not really prohibitive, I feel, especially if you only have 2 or 3 bucks. I can see where the larger farms might think is too expensive. But then again, what if they have a break out? I'll show, since it is not going to be mandatory for a couple of years, you can always DNA one of your bucks this year and another 1 next year. Again, another great did I owe this morning. Have a great day and God-bless.
I am just getting started with goats and ADGA stuff was a grey area I couldn’t find advice on. Thank you so much for making this video. It has helped a lot.
Morning Crystal!! I am not bothered by the new rule. I think it just ads to the integrity of the program. I'm sure everyone has an experience where they have questioned whether an animal is who the breeder says they are. Not everyone is as honest as I would like them to be and this ensures the cheaters aren't cheating all of us!
To be clear, is this for existing bucks or those registered after 2023?
New dairy goat owner here good to know info as I am a sponge trying to learn all I can. This doesn't upset me we should all know lineage and being new to goats I'm sure there could be people that prey on newbies that could feed a line of BS on a goat and I couldn't prove or disprove and there laughing all the way to the bank. That's 1 of my fears getting into this. So I'm happy about it
I will say, always be cautious, but in my opinion, most goat lovers and breeders are good, honest, hard working folk! Do your own research always!! See the parents and study the ADGA scorecard for what a host should be! If anything ever feels sketchy then back out! I would like to believe this is mainly to ensure maistakes arent made and most of us have the integrity to not falsify paperwork :)
Good morning Crystal! Great info for breeders. I think it's important to do all you can to be the best breeder you can be. Have a wonderful day! 🇨🇦
Agree :)
Very informative. Integrity is very important. Making a profit is hampered by 'government/organizational' regulations especially in difficult times. Appreciate your channel because you and others like you do endeavor to maintain integrity. 👍
just a racket to rip farmers off by DNA testing companies . goats have been reared for centuries and good breeds were produced by natural selections by breeders w/o DNA testing '''''''''
I'm really glad you've brought this up. I've aspired to withdraw to a quiet property to enjoy raising chickens and a small herd of goats, perhaps trying my hand at making cheeses. I'm expect having to do this with limited money, so I might not be able to afford starting with the best registered stock, but I wonder if DNA testing can be of use. I've noticed that occasionally, there are herds or individual goats sold casually that are be good stock, but unregistered. I've thought it might be worth a gamble confirmed with DNA.
Obviously, I have much to learn, but I expect that to be a large part of the fun in this dream of mine. You, your husband and children are so much like the family, I missed out on having. Thanks for your videos. I know your Christmas will wonderful. I'm looking forward to whatever you share with us.
Hope you have the beautiful little farm you want soon!
I breed dogs, and am all for this! We have done VP, and CP (Verified Parentage/Certified Parentage), forever, and it's for the exact reasons you're saying for the goats. It really is a good thing, and you actually can charge more for your animals that way.
Not being a goat owner, I think accurate record keeping can only improve the US dairy goat. More advantages than disadvantages.🐐
Thanks for sharing the info. Keep those great videos coming.
In Australia the Dog world Male and Female are both DNA tested and kept at a central registry which provides proof of parentage and also to exclude any congenital problems within certain breeds.
The cost is around A💲199.00 per dog and more recently each pup is also DNA profiled....FYI the breed of pups I am aware of cost $2,500 - $3,500 😶
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Dang! Much more costly for goats 😬
Hi Crystal! Good video, as usual. Your bucks are the foundation of your herd. Yes, it's an additional cost, but accidents happen and so does deliberate deception. I would much rather be on the side of the angels and able to prove what I say about the line. Lots of luck to the ADGA with this; the push-back may never go away. Y'all take good care!
Agreed :)
I'm not opposed to this new rule , coming from a registered horse back ground we have to send pictures of the foal be it colt or filly and the becomes a permanent recorded of the animal on their registration papers so I think it's a good idea . Of course just my humble opinion 🤷
I think is a good thing. You will know what you are getting and what you are selling.
DNA has to be done for my Boer goat bucks. It's a pain but at least I know exactly where they came from
I dont raise goats, however, there are many animal registries that do require dna testing. You said its just the bucks, thats ok. Many others need dna testing on every animal born plus the parents and grandparents ect.
Im glad to see that the lines are being protected by such stringency.
Im sure that for those that do not have their bucks on file, you could do it now or slowly over time so the cost is not such a blow. You have until 2023 before its mandatory. Start now get ahead of it. Dont wait.
i don't have any goats. however, you are a great teacher. thank you.
I'm totally fine with this change. I breed Australian Shepherds and ASCA requires DNA from BOTH parents PRIOR to ANY litter. So this is reasonable. I am starting my own farm soon here including a Nigerian Dwarf goat herd and learning everything I can before hand.
Good for you!!
I like the accountability aspect. I understand the opposition due to cost.
just a racket to rip farmers off by DNA testing companies . goats have been reared for centuries and good breeds were produced by natural selections by breeders w/o DNA testing
@@davelawson2564 Agreed but all that aside, people can be very dishonest. Seems greed is the name of the game. Funny how similar breed and greed are huh? NOT ALL OF THEM!!!!! But ALOT!!! No matter what they're breeding......🐐's 🐔's 🐎's 🐕's 🐍'ssssssss lol had to.
You are so knowledgeable Krystal, I don't have any goat's but understand the reasoning with the bucks 🎃👻💯 loving the hair
Thank you! 🤗
I think that's a good idea despite the cost. It could help both parties like you said. Definitely will start this right away when we do get our goats in the future.
We will get ahead of it before it's mandatory for sure!
@@BlueCactusDairyGoats thanks for these updates, I really appreciate them 🤗
Thank you for the info! I think it's a good idea and isn't terribly expensive.
This was in my recommendations today. DNA testing is now fairly 'routine' in many other species. Positive: you may be able to DNA type for color/ patterns/ moon spots/ polled/ increased milk fat or volume. Negative: it will likely bring out genetic diseases and problems, which will cause controversy. What about semen stored for AI and the buck is long dead? It is good to know this info, but it can bring great division among breeders. This has caused great division in AQHA and Appaloosa breeds, for example. Lots to consider here. Please keep us updated about these issues!
I think it is a great idea and will be testing my bucks and maybe does too
This is the 1st iv'e heard of it, that means $30 more for each buckling born to be regs. but i have 2 does that could not be regs. because of breakout and didn't know which buck sired there kids, and kids could not be regs. either so now i have 10 kids both bucklings and doelings that can't be regs. it's not a big cost to ensure all the herd can be regs. Thanks for the heads up
If your sires are registered then their bucklings can be registered. So the cost can go on the buyer if they intend to register any of those bucklings. However, if there is a mistake made by the purchaser and a hair or two gets added to the wrong buck, DNA can come back wrong. Another thing to consider.
@@BlueCactusDairyGoats right, but that was a couple years ago the bucks are gone, the kids were does i have 2 of the does but there not registerd and neither now are there kids =(
From my perspective of raising beef, esp registered herd, we have to do genetic testing as well esp on both males and females. I think new rules tend to give people a bad taste because of “change”. I am just getting into goats but I think they are good rules and relatively inexpensive for the guaranteed end results.
Quite a few years back, this happened with a particular dog breed down here in Australia. It was a HUGE hot potato & the end result was that it never was put into effect. The majority of people were against it & p*ssed off, for all the reasons you're seeing. They rebelled by not renewing/paying their next annual registration fees. There were enough of them, that it made a BIG financial point & so it was put on the back burner to be re-tabled "at some point in the future". So... good luck & lets see where it ends up in the goat world over there!
Yeah! There are a lot of people upset but I'm thinking it will settle down. This wont happen for a couple years and there are so many new members each year I dont think it will have a huge impact if people decide to drop out of ADGA.
@@BlueCactusDairyGoats True! I was also thinking that genetic testing, dna & all that kinda jazz are things many of us are far more familiar & comfortable with these days, so it may fly better. Thanks for your reply & for another great video!
DNA is also required for many horse registries and for mares as well as stallions.
Thank you for so quickly getting this information to us!! At least we have a few years to gear up and get used to the idea. Would the new owner of a buck foot the cost or do we have each buckling tested prior to sale? That is a huge difference in cost.
It depends on your preference. If the buckling's sire is registered then his bucklings can be registered. If the purchaser wanted to sell any buckling offspring then that buck would need to be DNA typed. I am thinking I may do any buckling in sell to make sure their their mistakes made. Unfortunately, the cost will be put on the buyer.
@@BlueCactusDairyGoats The cost going to the buyer is entirely fair, and makes sense.
An increase in price of $30 isn't much when you consider the productive lifespan of one animal, and the assurance it gives the buyer AND seller.
If any question arose about a certain animal, a repeat test verifies identity.
The more I think about it, the more benefits I see.
Genetic Research will benefit everyone.
If you compare this with what has been learned about Dog Breeds, for example, it is awesome.
I'm all for it. I'm about to lease a mini nubian buck and I'm not convinced the registration attached to the buck is truly his. I love the look of this buck, but if in fact he's not registered and the breeder is showing me another bucks registration, that sucks for me. But I have no way of knowing at this point.
Wow lots more involved . Lots to consider. I feel personal for me if I owned a Male goat i would D.N.A to safe guards your heard.
Will you ever do pateron.?
Thank s of great vlog update.
We do have a Patreon account. It's listed in the descriptions of all our videos.
I am learning ALL I can, I am looking to buy me a couple of goats. And dang they sure are pricey. 200.00 for a week old Doe....... I know for most breeders that is not a lot of money to receive for a 🐐 but it is a lot of money for someone like myself.
I see the integrity of the future of the offspring. DNA typing does help to make sure the Sire is the Sire and if you animals are stolen you certainly can find them. ADGA is just trying to keep the lines clean and no mixups. Very interesting, another step but it will be helpful in the long run. It is costly but it does have some sense to doing it.
I agree!
Some goats have a very big price tag. I like to know that I am getting what was paid for.
I think its a good thing.
I really think that it's a good idea, then you could know for sure, with solid evidence. It is another cost but if you really want good quality goats it's worth it. If you dont care about quality just get an unregistered goat. It matters to some people so if you dont care about lines and DNA just dont do it.
My guess is even if there was not a fee for DNA testing some would be apposed to it because it questions their word.
Yes. Some are upset because the mandatory aspect.
I agree with it
I think this is a great idea
They have been doing this for several years at most of the horse registries, but the DNA is for both mare and stallion.
No one likes to be told what to do but this is the future , if you don't do it you will be left behind ! As a business practice DNA testing sounds like a great idea! You my be honest but everyone is not honest.If every one was honest we would not need the police.I do not think that this up to date test should be a surprise or a stumbling block to a good business farmer.It should be welcomed ! Thanks for the update Chrystal !
I think it’s a good idea.
Hi Crystal, I am hoping to get into goats one day so i am learning all I can. I find you to be the most informed sight on UTube. As a former horse breeder. I would only use blood typed bucks if I was doing A.I. It was a plus live cover. It makes you bucks worth more if they are standing stud. If you are working to improve the breed there should not be a problem with protecting your lines. That is why you band the boys who do not meet the standard of stud. When you put them up for sale you can say DNA tested and that will raise there value as a buck.
Thanks for the information I did know this was final
I understand DNA testing on the Bucks I’m breeding. My question is, do the Bucklings, being born, have to be tested also? Thanks for the information on this!
The sire has to be registered for their buckling offspring to be registered. If that buckling is to have registered buckling offspring, they would then need to be DNA typed.
@@BlueCactusDairyGoats just another way to rip farmers off.
@@davelawson2564 REAL farmers care about what their bucks throw, breakouts can mean you don't know what you have, so selling them with poor quality milk could come back to bite a farmer and more than $30 in a courtroom. Dogs are tested, horses and other animals. It's almost like healthcare for the herds on this planet. Responsible farmers want to purchase the thing they are told they're purchasing and don't want to find out it's now wasted money because the animal is not what someone told them falsely. It's sad that humans cheat others out of money, breeds and to occupy our White House and operate with falsehoods daily.
I think what will happen is a lot of people will go to ags or the ndga when this takes effect. Like you said 30 dollars and done it’s one time it’s not like its every month or year. This prob goes for every breed of goat as well with Adga.
Yes. All breeds are going to have to comply to this.
Great info.
We do not have goats yet, but I think its a great idea and as a buyer it makes me happy that I will know Im getting what Im paying for. Also - the Kune Kune association - requires EVERY SINGLE registered piggie must be dna'd. I like it. I dont want pay for a registered goat and then find out he is a mixed breed mutt - and Im a newbie so its going to take a while before I would even recognize obvious signs that the breed was not what I was buying.
Nice! I want registered Kune Kune pigs so thank you for that info :)
Seems to me it's protection against greedy people who bait and switched and they continue to have the best lines but say it must be your doe line. It give people equal standing. Not everyone is as honest as you are or seem to be. Good luck
Hahaa! "Or seem to be." I have no worries in that area. It's also for honest people that make honest mistakes. Just a way to make sure the pedigrees on file are more accurate. It will be interesting to see the way it all turns out.
Can you explain more about experimental pedigrees? I'm so confused. I understand the letters & symbols but the experimental part is interesting.
Sounds like a positive aspect to me I'm not a breeder but if I was buying a registered Buck or animal this would be one way to verify it
I understand the reasoning behind the DNA and if you are wanting to improve you herd I would be very happy to go along because it could make you feel secure with your purchase. If you selling then the buyers maybe wouldn’t be so apt to what to quibble about the price because he would have proof it is truly the buck they think they are buying. Also if they purchase a buckling sired by a registered buck it can increase the value knowing his sire is who they said it was. And as much As I hate it you may be honest but their are too many who are and would sell you the moon for the sun if they could make you believe it. TFS
AKC for dogs does something similar basically AKC will send u a Notification saying he has sired so many pups and he needs to be tested to prove he is who he is it cost 50-55 dollars put it is not a one time thing I can’t remember what the number of pups is but if he hits that number again u get another Notification and have to test again if you want his pups to be AKC Registered but ares is only one way to test and it’s a mouth swob
I tink registering them is a great idea. The people who squack have something to hide! MAYBE!!!
I like the new rule ♥️ good info 😁
I think it is a good idea, just pass the expence to the customer. sue xx.
To me it would be the same thing as registration for AKC for dogs, you need to keep the integrity of the line.
I’d rather know what I’m buying personally! I’m ok with it
Several times in your video you reference, "any of their buckling offspring to be registered, then..." Please keep in mind it is not just buckling offspring, it is ANY progeny bucks or does. The breeder can DNA type or the buyer can DNA Type the buck, it just has to be on-file prior to that buck's progeny being registered. See page #44 of the 2020 ADGA guidebook Bylaws VIII Foreword states; "DNA shall be required to be on file for ALL bucks born on or after January 1, 2023 prior to registration of progeny." Buck kids will still be able to be registered & shown; however, their own progeny can not be registered until the buck's DNA is on file.
It does not effect me, so I have no opinion. I just love to watch your videos and buy soap.❤️👍
i dont own or raise any type of goats, it would be a good idea in case of theft,or any other types of questions bout yer herd,,jist found yer channel and subbed
I’m don’t have goats but I don’t see how anyone should be upset or surprised by dna registration becoming a norm. It is the 21st century. Just defer the costs to the new owners for registered bucklings $30 isn’t going to be a deal breaker to anyone paying for new breeding stock and I’m sure they would prefer to know without a doubt they are getting what they are being told. I know with buying a show dog it’s common to have to pay for the registration costs of the puppy you are getting. Another point with the does is that it’s not possible with proper herd mgmt to mistake a kid for that of another doe vs if you have a break out a doe’s kids could be from whichever sire the mom had contact with or all of them. Makes complete sense to do sires vs does. Same thing is done commonly in the horse world as well.
i skimmed some of the comments and seems like horses do this already. The cost seems unnecessary especially if they don't even give you the results. The cost is one issue, but will this go to dogs, cats, pigs, rabbits...maybe people who get married or have children? Is this registry run by the government? My parents raised dogs and I don't recall any talk about DNA testing. They were dogs for show and AKA registered. But maybe DNA wasn't available then? 70's 80's?
If we bred our female to a stud, the owner of the stud got pick of the litter, plus money. We had one female might have only one pup or none, still had to pay.
This seems a way to get more money from people who may be trying to go off grid or be self sufficient. People who may be trying to do away with any necessity for money. I've heard of people saying their blood type changed from what they were born with. From Vaccines maybe? Radiation? One person went from O- blood the universal donor, to AB+ blood the universal recipient. Blood type affects personality. I have no way to verify this but i've heard it several times.
Seems like many breeders of different animals have had to do this, yes. ADGA is not a government t ran organization. You can have goats and never register your goats. It is just a requirement starting 2023 to insure pedigrees are accurate.
Recovering Soul --- people are born with ONE blood type.
They don't change. Ever.
Lab tests are performed by humans, and I suggest a mistake or miscommunication might have occurred. Even when someone's blood type is 'known', testing is repeated if that patient receives blood in the future.
There are subtypes (factors) that affect blood compatibility:
That is why hospitals do what is called "Type and Cross match" on EVERY unit of blood with the recipient's blood to ensure no reaction.
In spite of this testing, transfusion reactions do occur. There is a protocol followed every time someone receives Donor Blood, and a protocol if a reaction is observed.
Organ donors AND recipients are checked for blood type AND tissue typing as well. Even so, transplant recipients take immunosuppressive drugs forever after the transplant.
Life in the 21st Century has become very complex. : )
I'm new to goats & I did not register my Stella though her parents are registered. I only paid $250 for her. She is my pet. OTOH if I was paying upwards of $400, I see Crystal's go for the $800 range, if available I think the DNA paper might make me feel I'm getting my monies worth. I doubt as pets I would have a need for a high end goat for breeding. Compared to my $25 4H wether my Stella is a "fancy" goat.
OTOH I do want to breed her to play with milking and have another bundle of silliness and joy in the spring, I would like a halfway decent buck to breed her with, as I would like a good milker in the future and depending on her production and udder strength I would like to have decent offspring. I dont want to move but I fear my yard size will tap out at 4 Nigies anyway.
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I just obtained 2 unregistered Nigerian dwarf doelings from a “breakout”, if I get a registered buck will I be able to register the kids born from their kidding. Sorry, if you’ve answered this question somewhere already..
Is this still in effect? Can a Doe be DNA through ADGA? Can you please do a video with an update for us?
I wish I was born 1000 years ago
So this vid is a year old, but found the topic interesting. Reason, my cousin and family just adopted a dog a few weeks ago..she sent me a picture of his cute self and a picture of his dna type. He’s Shepard and lab mix..anyway, I wonder if this goes for other male animals as well, if she had this done or part of the process now? Curious!
So if my registered doe, bred to a registered buck has a doe we can register her but if she has a buck he won't be registerable unless his sire sends in DNA? Or does it start with my buckling?
First they are not making you register all your bucks by 2023. The bucklings just have to start being dna typed that year and you get his papers when you register but you have dna until you want to register his kids. Not a fan of this proposal. If you sell any little bucklings you have 2 options. You do the dna for him before sending him to new home that is extra $$$ every year which can get costly if you register a few or more. The other way is let the new owner of the buckling do it but if they make a mistake such as switching hairs on a buck,which can be accidental because testing multiple bucks or on purpose to be a bad person, the original breeder will be responsible for all retests. All lab errors then would have to be redone at the breeders expense too.
Crystal, how do you feed your bucks? Thank you!
They get the same feed as our does. Alfalfa and alfalfa pellets and recently they have been on rotational browsing.
Well at least it’s just the bucks that need to be done AQHA they have you do DNA on all horses. So it’s not anything new.
So what happens to people who had registered their goats under a certain buck and it turns out to be a wrong buck. Or maybe they got cheated from a seller. Will the buyer lose their registration? Will cheaters have anything happen to them if its found that they are selling many bucks under a 'fake sire? Just got me thinking lol.
Dog registries have been requiring DNA testing on all breeding stock (dogs and bitches) for years. And the testing is around $150‐200 per animal. And if you have litter that was in error with multiple possible sires than the entire litter has to tested to register. 8 puppies... you do the math! I see no issue with it, I was shocked how little restrictions were on goat registries, as I am used to dogs.
Hey Crystal, question: if we wanted to DNA type a buck, will adga pay the $10. & we pay $30. now, so we can start the process earlier than 2023? Including on bucks already registered?
Grandma Gingers Farm yes I want to know this as well!
Yes. The lab charges $40. You can get the forms from ADGA and fill it out and send the hairs in and you pay ADGA $30. This is for bucks you own that you plan to sell registered bucks out of.
@@BlueCactusDairyGoats Good to know. Thanks Crystal.
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Yes!!! Thank you 😁
Can you get your goat's chipped like your dog? If so is there any difference or would a vet put the same chip they put into a dog, into the goat? Also, if the buyer has to pay to register the buck. How does the buyer know that their able to register it, like does the seller give the buyer paper work from ADGA? Thanks so much for all of the info!
I like the DNA testing I wish they would require it for does as well. Keeping honest people honest.
Lol. Keeping liars honest but also catching any accidental mistakes. I believe the accidental mistakes are more common the those purposely falsifying the paperwork. Either way. Knowing for sure is a good thing.
Do you have an email that I could use for questions to you. I do not own any goats but after watching your videos I am thinking on maybe starting with these same type of goats. I have learned a lot from you and your videos, they are very informative.
Can you register a unregistered herd or do I need to start all over we got into dairy goats just for milk but my older kids have wanted to try showing
Do you have to dna type the bucklings so they can be registered or just the sires?
The sire has to be DNA typed for their bucklings to be registered. If that buckling goes on to sire bucklings, they will then need DNA typed to register their offspring.
It makes no sense to me that it is only a bucks lines, Hy not does?
Wow, these are tiny dairy goats not race horses. Geeze. And if the DNA records become the property of ADGA why don't they pay the $30 and you pay $10 or at least $20/$20. I don't think I'll be registering any of my goats. I'd rather spend the money on their feed and health care.
Also if your home business is goat breeder can't you use the DNA fee if $30 as a write off on taxes because it's apart of your business!? 🙂😉
How would a buyer find out if it's the buck they think it is or isn't? What if let's say I buy a goat being told it's goat A but in fact it's not then what? Like possibly if a person owned goat A before but sold it and now is trying to pass Goat unknown As Goat A ?? Also when you buy a registered goat is there any paper working stating which goat it is and it's ancestor's? (I've never bought a goat before registered or non- registered) Thanks so much
For registered stock, they get a registration and yes pedigree of the animals lines. The purpose of the DNA typing is to prove accurate lineage. Not just to make sure people are being honest (which I don't think is happening largely) but also for those making honest mistakes. Keeps the pedigree of each papered animal more true.
I've been following this as well. I did not know that every 75th buck/buckling was selected though - good to know and that ADGA would pay for the testing for that kid's dam/sire. I have 4 bucks as well that will need to be DNAd. Do you suggest doing this earlier rather than later and what are the chances of errors or delays? Excellent info!!!
Yes! Already random testing in play. At this point I hope I win the lottery of a 75th buck registered 🤣. I am going to get ahead of it and send in my samples before it becomes mandatory. Of course there is room for error! A lab test is ran by a human lol. Not common but can happen. For instance, if you are doing multiple animals and plucking their hairs, it would be easy to get a stuck hair of the previous animal you plucked stuck in the pliers and sent in. A fault of the breeder sending in samples. So mistakes can be made!
@@BlueCactusDairyGoats We're planning on using different pliers for each buck. I hpoe we get picked for the random 75th buck 😂.
Lol! Same!